REID OUSE – NBA SKILLS TRAINER & FOUNDER OF CATALYST TRAINING- EPISODE 761

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Reid Ouse is an NBA Skills Trainer and the Founder of Catalyst Training in Minnesota.  He has worked with Andrew Wiggins, Jake Layman, and Paige Bueckers among many other players at all levels of the game.  Catalyst has trained over 100 pro players, 600 college players and numerous high school players and programs.

The son of a long-time high school coach, Reid had a knee injury cut his playing career short and led to him coaching at the college level. His career as an assistant coach began with two seasons at the University of Northwestern in St. Paul, Minnesota.

Reid then moved over to Bethel University, a member of the Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference, arguably the best Division III conference in the country.  After three seasons at Bethel, Reid became the top assistant at Waldorf College in Forrest City, Iowa. His last stop as a college assistant coach was at Division II Minnesota State University Moorhead.

Reid then began training in the New York City area, and quickly began making a name for himself in the competitive NYC market.  While on the East Coast, Reid directed The Hoop School, New Jersey’s premier basketball training program.  He is also the Director of Coaching for the NBA Big Man Clinic, based out of New York City.  Reid eventually returned to Minnesota to start Catalyst Training.

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What We Discuss with Reid Ouse

• Learning from his dad, a high school varsity coach, from an early age
• Finding a mentor in one of his father’s players
• “I think when you work really hard some things kind of fall into place.”
• Playing high school basketball for his dad as both a head coach and an assistant
• The higher level of understanding from college players as opposed to high school
• The ability of a college coach to be “all in” on basketball
• “The most important thing for you is to work your butt off. And so whenever you need a job reference, that coach will say, Reid never told me no.”
• Being a student assistant at the University of Northwestern in Minnesota
• Getting an assistant job at D3 Bethel University
• What makes D3 such a unique experience
• Coaching one year at NAIA Waldorf
• “One of the things too that my dad taught me at a young age was, it’s not always about learning what to do. It’s learning like what not to do or what you wouldn’t do.”
• Leaving college coaching to follow his wife to NYC where he started to train players under DJ Sackman
• “The same way that I would dig into the details on a scouting report, watching other teams, I need to take that same approach to player development.”
• Learning from players that are average athletes…how do they succeed at the highest levels?
• “I knew that in order to have a successful business, that it was about the players and it needed to be about their development.”
• Putting aside the arrogance to just learn
• Advice from DJ Sackman – “Stop trying to be the player, be the coach.”
• “The best basketball players are the best problem solvers, and there’s a variety of different ways you can solve problems.”
• “A defensive player cannot effectively guard two consecutive actions.”
• “If I have space, I have options.”
• “Lean, lift or lunge.”
• “The best players generally have the best timing.”
• “If you can get your timing, you have the ability to unlock just about any skill that you want.”
• “I’ve worked with a ton of players that are super skilled in workouts. You see them in a game and they can’t play because they just don’t understand movements, they don’t understand how to solve problems.”
• Teaching players the why and giving them opportunities to make decisions
• Working on skills in context using constraints
• Building a training business
• Learning to delegate and attract the right type of players
• “You have to connect with the player, you have to figure out how they’re wired and then try to introduce things that you think will help their game and challenge them.”
• Building a community around his training business

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TRANSCRIPT FOR REID OUSE – NBA SKILLS TRAINER & FOUNDER OF CATALYST TRAINING- EPISODE 761

[00:00:00] Mike Klinzing: Hello, and welcome to the Hoop Heads Podcast. It’s Mike Klinzing here with my co-host Jason Sunkle tonight, and we are pleased to welcome to the podcast NBA Skills Coach Reid Ouse Reid, welcome to the Hoop Heads Pod.

[00:00:10] Reid Ouse: Hey, thanks for having me, guys.

[00:00:13] Mike Klinzing: Absolutely excited to have you on. Looking forward to diving into all the things that you’ve been able to do throughout your basketball life.

Let’s start by going back in time to when you were a kid. Tell me a little bit about some of your first experiences with the game

[00:00:25] Reid Ouse: of basketball. Well, I got introduced really early when my dad decided that he was going to take an assistant coaching position on the local high school team, and then a year later took over the varsity program.

And so I think I was in third grade and I quickly became his manager. And so my job was obviously filling up water bottles and sweeping the floors and, and things like that. So I learned the, the value of hard work. My great-grandfather was the custodian at the school for a long time, and so he. showed me early on how to make sure you put firm pressure on that broom, handle and make sure all the water models were filled up and make sure there was no leftover water on the floor.

So the players were slipping. So I learned a lot of those things early on, just being a sponge. Getting to be in coach’s office, in the coach’s office with my dad and his staff. And I’ve, I’ve always been somebody that really appreciated adult conversations at a younger age, and I got introduced in third grade, and that really kicked off this journey for me.

[00:01:24] Mike Klinzing: You’ve always had keys to the gym man, between your great-grandfather and your dad. Man, it doesn’t get any better than that.

[00:01:30] Reid Ouse: Doesn’t get any better.

[00:01:33] Mike Klinzing: All right. So what do you remember about being around the team, being around your dad during that time? Do you have a memory or two from those younger elementary ages that sticks out for.

[00:01:43] Reid Ouse: Yeah, actually one that sticks out is kind of a skill development deal. I remember watching in warmups, I was probably in fourth grade and, and somebody dribbled behind their back and I thought, I don’t know if I can do that. And so I kind of ran around the gym in between filling up water bottles, probably like an idiot, just trying to teach myself how to dribble behind my back.

It’s one of the only vivid memories that I have of kind of that age, but I remember by about a half hour in, I had figured out how to go behind my back running full speed. And if somebody were to walk in the gym and they’re like, oh, there’s a practice. And then there’s like a fourth grader just running around dribbling behind his back

And it was the first time in my life where I felt like, Hey, I just taught myself something in a short amount of time because I just put my, I set my mind to it and said, I’m going to figure this out. And so I was just a sponge watching what these players were doing and it was like, Hey, can I try to recreate that?

[00:02:39] Mike Klinzing: Did you have a favorite player growing up? Did you have a guy that you really connected with?

[00:02:41] Reid Ouse: Yeah, it’s actually funny. My dad’s when he was took over the JV program, the point guard was an eighth grader named Eric Fallingstead. And then the next year as a freshman, Eric became the starting point guard on that team.

And so I’m the oldest of seven kids. I have four adopted siblings and I have two, two brothers. But we didn’t adopt them until I was in college. So I grew up is when my dad and I in a house full of girls. And so I was always looking for that kind of big brother mentorship and that was Eric. And so Eric then became my dad’s point guard for four years and then was going to go to college to play and decided to come home and ended up sitting next to my dad on the bench for a couple years.

And then Eric has just kind of always been around. It’s kind of been a big brother to me. I would rebound for him in the summer. And it’s gotten to the point that a couple years ago, my sister was playing in a volleyball tournament in St. Louis and Eric and I flew to St. Louis to spend the weekend with my family.

And so Eric played a vital role in my upbringing, showing me what it was like to watch a player that was five, six years older than me, work really hard to master his craft.

[00:03:52] Mike Klinzing: That’s really, really cool that you had the opportunity to be able to connect with a guy like that. And obviously being in the gym and being around your dad and just having those influences, did you know from an early age that coaching was going to be something that you wanted to do?

Or was it more like you were focused on. Being a player because of your exposure to the game and the coaching part of it only came later. Cause I know that most coaches tend to fall into one of those two camps, right? You’re somebody that from the time you were second or third grade, man, my dad’s a coach and I’m diagramming plays, and I just always know that whenever I’m done playing, I’m going to coach.

And then you have other people who are just completely focused on playing and it doesn’t even dawn on them until sort of playing is taken away from them that, Hey, I want to stay in the game and get into coaching. Did either one of those scenarios describe you better?

[00:04:38] Reid Ouse: Well, it’s interesting because, and I probably knew that I was going to coach, but you know, even when I got to college, it wasn’t something that was really on my mind.

I was 18 years old just trying to figure out life. But when I look back to it my dad jokes, there was a probably the only other vivid memory that I have is they were playing a game at a small town in West Central Minnesota, and the other team came out in a box set for a baseline out of bounds.

And I, and I stood up and said, it’s a cross screen. It’s a cross screen. My dad turned around and looked at me. I was like, in fourth grade . And sure enough it was a cross screen, and they’re looking at me like, how did you know that? And I’m like, well, dummy. They just called this like in the first quarter, and now they called the same thing again.

It’s obvious and people are like dumbfounded that I’m in fourth grade and I remember this, but that was just, I would go scouting with my dad. So you paid attention to stuff like that. So when I actually spoke at a coach’s clinic. And joked about that, everyone’s like, oh wow, this is the assistant coach.

No, it’s like a nine year old sitting behind the bench. And so when I got to college I had the opportunity at a small level to play either college basketball or college football. And I was just a mediocre athlete and kind of a tweener, size wise, I’m about six feet tall on a good day, and I don’t move very well.

So I got to college and thought, Hey I’m going to, I’m going to play, I’m probably a JV guy right away. And had an opportunity to sit down with the head coach. He’s like I was recruiting my best friend who was a year younger than me, went back to my high school and my high school coach, who’s a mentor of mine to this day said, Hey, there’s a kid down there that’d be make a really, really good coach.

And so that just kind of opened the door. So when, when people say I’m not really sure what I want to do, I don’t even relate to that because I didn’t know what I wanted to do. And it was basically set in front of me with a great opportunity to join the coaching staff. At 18 years old as a student assistant, got a ton of responsibility and that just kind of kicked things off.

So it wasn’t something that I was super passionate about going into college. It kind of fell into my lap and it took a couple games for me to really go, Hey, I think I can do this at a pretty high level.

[00:06:50] Mike Klinzing: Was it easier to make that transition in terms of, I guess what I always, I think is, is always challenging or what I always find to be interesting is just when you think about the transition in terms of the competitiveness for somebody who’s been a player, and obviously if you’re going to play at the collegiate level, I don’t care what level of college basketball you’re playing at, there’s a certain level of ability that you have.

So how was the transition from, man, that game is being taken away from me because of this injury, but now this other chance is being put in front of me. How did you sort of transition your competitiveness from playing to coaching, if that makes any sense?

[00:07:30] Reid Ouse: Yeah, so being a mediocre athlete I wasn’t, I didn’t have the athletic ability to just run by anybody.

So everything that I did had to be meticulous. You know, I would compare it to like, you have a LeBron James or a Luka Doncic, like LeBron athletically can do a lot of things that Luka can’t, it doesn’t mean Luka’s not great. I think Luka’s one of my favorite players to watch because he’s not super athletic for the level that he’s at.

And so I not to compare myself to Luca Doncic, but I had to play in a similar way where I had to figure out the ins and outs of like, how do I beat you? That’s not just off of sheer athleticism. And so when I got to the coaching game, it was the same thing. I was wired that way where it was like, okay I feel like I saw the game a little bit differently because I had to, I didn’t have a choice.

And so when I became a college coach I. Yeah, it was something that, because I had, I had viewed the game that way as a player. It kind of came second nature.

[00:08:33] Mike Klinzing: What did working on your game look like for you as a player? And then we’ll jump back towards coaching because I think that, as I’m hearing you talk, I’m picturing somebody that’s pretty analytical about their own game and trying to figure out, okay, what do I need to do in order to be able to have success?

So what did you do? What were some of the things that you worked on? Where did you go to find things for yourself to work on? Just how did you design your own program for a lack of better way of saying it to improve your game and get better? What did that look like for you as a player?

[00:09:04] Reid Ouse: To be honest, I really didn’t have a clue.

But I, I don’t know if I said this earlier, I grew up on a farm and I watched my dad and my grandpa, both my grandfathers just work extremely hard and there was no excuses. It was like, I’d watch my dad, like, if you’re going to go spray the crops, And the only time it’s not going to be windy today is at 5:00 AM You get up and spray the crops at 5:00 AM and nobody complains.

And so that was just ingrained in me and that’s, I carried that over onto the basketball court, onto the football field. Really didn’t have any idea what I was doing, but it worked really, really hard. And so I think when you work really hard some things kind of fall into place. And so I had a, a couple good buddies that we were Gym Rats and we got in the gym.

One of them was the Gym Rat, the other one we kind of drug to the gym . But we just worked really hard And so it got to the point where I became a really good passer and we’ll joke because I’ll be in workouts now and I’m throwing behind the back passes like 40 feet on the money. People are like, how did you do this?

I said, well, when I was in high school and we rebounded for somebody. It wasn’t about just rebounding, I was competing like, I’m not going to let the ball hit the floor and I don’t, I’m not going to make a bad pass. He’s going to give me a target. And if that thing’s three inches to the left, that’s not a bad pass in game.

But for me that’s a bad pass. And so I was just constantly competing in whatever I was doing. We’d play one-on-one from the wing and we played like seven points by ones and twos and people, and we’d be like, bloodied by the time we got done , and then we go to the next spot. So there really wasn’t like an analytical approach to it.

It was more so like, we just have to get in here, we have to be tough because defensively we were top two or three in the state and points per pos or and points given up. And so we would beat you by 25 and the score would be 55 to 30. Because we would just like, we are going to demoralize you defensively.

And we really took that approach to the offensive end of the. Which I’m sure was sometimes ugly to watch, but for us that was just how we were wired to play. We got defensive stops and we just wanted to act. We wanted to make you quit. Offensively. And so we took that into our off-season approach where we just worked really, really hard, which is definitely the hard week, hard work piece is super important, but I do not take that approach necessarily when I’m working with my players now.

But it was super beneficial for me at the time, based on what I knew. You’re not trying to bloody them, huh? No, not necessarily. We’re trying to get out of workouts injury free.

[00:11:36] Mike Klinzing: Understood. Was your dad still coaching? At

[00:11:39] Reid Ouse: Yeah. So he was, so I actually I transferred schools before my sophomore year to small town Minnesota.

I grew up in a town of 490 people. Played varsity as an eighth and ninth grader. We won like five games in two years. And I joke with my dad, it was the coaching because he was the head coach. He doesn’t necessarily love that. But ended up at Hillcrest Academy, which was in Fergus Falls. I went to church there.

That’s where all my friends were. And I found myself playing in open gyms there on Sundays and it was like, Hey, these are my friends. This is where I want to go anyway. And the faith piece of the school aligned with where I’m at. And it was just like, Hey, this is the perfect fit. So I went there.

And then my dad ended up coming as an assistant coach. And it was awesome. I talked to my former head coach just last week and he’s pitching, Hey, let’s go to Brazil. Well, your dad’s coming. Let’s do a basketball trip down there. Let’s do this. So I mean, it just was a really cool thing and just to have my dad be able to come along for that.

[00:12:42] Mike Klinzing: What was the best part of having your dad coach you at the high school level?

[00:12:44] Reid Ouse: It was interesting because my eighth and ninth grade year we butted heads I’m sure like a lot of 14, 15 year old kids with their dad as a coach ate a lot of post-game meals in my bedroom. I think . And no, no, no. I’m not sitting here talking with you about the game, but it was interesting because I was really arrogant.

I didn’t see it at the time and I got to Hillcrest and. I think my freshman year, we won like two games the whole year and my sophomore year we won three games the first week. But I was coming off the bench and I had to fight and claw for every minute that I was going to get. I was taking charges, I was doing whatever.

So it really opened my eyes to what it took to be successful. And then in turn, really showed me how much of an arrogant prick I probably was the previous two years not being very good, which definitely changed my viewpoint on my relationship with my dad. And he actually wasn’t on the staff my sophomore year and I thought I would like that.

I kind of liked having him around and he came back my junior and senior year and it was just awesome to be able to share that with him.

[00:13:54] Mike Klinzing: Was it the most challenging part that after games trying to avoid the conversation in certain instances or was there something else that was more of a challenge?

[00:14:00] Reid Ouse: Well, I didn’t realize, like my eighth grade year he wasn’t going to bring up any eighth graders, and then he realized the eighth graders were the only ones who cared. And ended up bringing up an eighth grader before me. And I was like, you’re bringing that kid up. Like, that kid doesn’t even work on his game.

I’m way better than he is. And later I had to realize he had to let that kid come and, and then bring me up later, and then started that kid first and let him kind of fail. And then I got my opportunity. And I think it helped that, I think I scored eight points in the first quarter of my first start as an eighth grader.

And I didn’t realize. To me it was like, see, I told you so, but in reality he was protecting me. You have a small town with politics. Oh, coach’s kids bringing up his kid who was an eighth grader first, right? Like, I had no idea. And then it, it was super frustrating to me because I felt like, He was harder on me than he was on other kids.

And looking back on that now, it was like he was doing that to protect me so that no one could say Hey coach. You know, Roger’s just taking it easy on Reid. Things like that. So looking back on, it’s just like, man, at the time I thought he handled it completely wrong. Looking back it was like, dude, he had my back.  He was protecting me.

[00:15:23] Mike Klinzing: Have you had conversations now as an adult with your dad, kind of about what his experience was like?

[00:15:25] Reid Ouse: Yeah, I think his experience was way different than I thought. You know, he obviously had a ton of joy watching me play and have success. I think it was easier for him when he was the assistant coach, because my playing time was not tied to him necessarily.

So he could just coach. And he knew how hard I worked and there’s just high expectations, not necessarily that I would be a college basketball player, anything like that. It was just like, this is how the Ouse family goes about things. You’re going to be respectful, you’re going to work super hard, and the little things matter.

And so we’ve had cool conversations about what it was like for him. You know, now that I’m a parent with twin boys, like, hey, when they get older to play, how am I going to handle that? Because there’s probably going to be some expectation that hey, their dad trains NBA players, he should probably coach this youth team.

Things like that. And then it’s something that at this point in my life, I have zero interest in. I just want to be a dad. You know, we talk through stuff like that that, I mean the, the twins turn two next week, so we got a long time before we get to that point. But those are things that I definitely pick his brain on to figure out, hey is how did you handle this?

What were unexpected? What was unexpected? Things like that.

[00:16:44] Mike Klinzing: Is there anything you said that he wishes he had done differently?

[00:16:45] Reid Ouse: That’s a good question. You know, I think, I don’t know that he was necessarily anticipating my response of just shutting down as a, as a freshman. I remember, I don’t know if you remember the Chris Weber Dotta shoes, the super shiny like flashy shoes.

Absolutely. Yep. So my eighth grade year, our best player. Midway through the year, got a pair. Our colors were royal blue and black. He got a pair of just bright, shiny blue and black dots. And I was like, these are so cool. And my dad was probably puking inside like we’ve won three games, like knocking.

That was back in the day where you wore all white shoes or all black shoes and anything if you wore gray, that was cocky and. The next year I showed up with a pair of bright blue and silver dots. I still have them somewhere as like a joke to show my dad. And I wore those for like five games. And he was like, you are so full of yourself.

And then I went to Dick Sports and got a pair of all white Nikes and bought them myself and showed up. But just like him navigating that, I don’t think he thought that I was going to think he watched me as a manager be a junkie and dive on the floor and all this stuff to do whatever.

And then I became a player and it was like, oh no, I’m playing in front of people. I’m somebody.

[00:18:12] Mike Klinzing: That’s very cool. I mean, I think the opportunity to be able to coach your kid or get coached by your dad, I think is a special one. And obviously there’s some things that you kind of have to navigate on both ends, both.

The kid and as the father to be able to make sure that it works. And I think that it’s something that if you can make it work, anybody that I’ve ever talked to on either end of that spectrum just is so thankful for the opportunity to be able to have either coached their kid or to be able to have played for their dad.

And I think that that’s something that not everybody gets to do. And I think for those of us that get to do it, it’s, it’s a pretty special thing. All right. Let’s get back to the start of your coaching career. When you get that first opportunity as a student assistant coach, what do you remember that sticks out as something that maybe you didn’t really know or didn’t really think was such a big part of coaching?

I guess, what surprised you about being a coach initially?

[00:19:11] Reid Ouse: That’s a good question. I remember being surprised, not necessarily surprised, but just you get immersed in the game planning and the scouting on a whole nother level. You know, I came from class A, like small school basketball where we scouted, but it was like, no, we do what we do and we do it well.

And then getting to the college level, like making adjustments, how do we handle things? That was something that I was really intrigued by and I wondered is, is this something that I can be good at? And what are we, you, you just start to watch the game a little bit differently. You’re not playing quarters anymore, you’re playing halves and just you’re adjusting to different amount of timeouts and players that actually understand stuff.

You know, I feel like at the high school, There was a handful of us on my team that knew what was going on, but you had to just dumb everything down in timeouts to actually get to the college level and be able to make adjustments and then actually expect the players to go and execute those adjustments.

I thought I was just like, wow, we can do so much. This is crazy.

[00:20:19] Mike Klinzing: Was there ever a thought of after you started coaching that maybe at some point you wanted to coach high school? Obviously that was what your dad had done for many, many years, or did you know sort of right from the start because of what you just described, that you were going to stay with college coaching?

[00:20:33] Reid Ouse: I loved the college game. Just because it was much faster paced. The adjustments that I felt like you were able to make, I think it was, it just made a bigger impact on the game. I’m close with a lot of really, really good high school coaches and you can do that stuff at the higher levels here.

But, the thing that really stuck out to me was just the ability to go kind of craft your own team. Like I can go recruit players that fit the system that I want to play. I can do this at a full-time level. I don’t have to go get my teaching license and try to teach or do something else.

And so it was really appeasing like if I’m all in on something, I’m all in. And so the idea of getting to be all in as a college coach was something that was just exciting from the jump.

[00:21:26] Mike Klinzing: So you spent two years there at University of Northwestern in St. Paul, and then you get an opportunity to go over to Bethel University.

Talk a little bit about how that came to pass and why you felt like that was a good opportunity to make a next move in your career.

[00:21:41] Reid Ouse: Yeah. You know, Northwestern was a great opportunity. They’re in obviously at the division three level, but they’ve made, I think they went to Sweet 16 a couple years ago in the national tournament and Tim Groves does a phenomenal job, but I was his first student assistant, so it was they were really like unsure how to use me. And I think looking back on it we’ve kind of joked about it. Like you had an 18 year old kid who’s a full-time college student who’s willing to work like a hundred hours a week.

And I was like willing to do the grunge work just like I was willing to do whatever, whatever I had to. And I, I actually sat down working Wisconsin Badger basketball camp with Howard Moore and Howard was on the staff there and, and I was asking him a bunch of questions and I’m like what, should I get my degree and what should I get my master’s degree in?

And he joked, he said you need to get a degree in picking your nose. And I said, what does that mean? He’s like, Reid you just need a degree. I said, what do I get my master’s in? He goes, well, get a master’s in picking your nose. I think he said like Tubby Smith has a master’s in history education.

You think he uses that as a college basketball coach? And I was like, oh, good point. He goes, the most important thing for you is to work your butt off. And so whenever you need a job reference, that coach will say, Reid never told me no. And so I was like, that’s it, that’s my ticket. Like growing up on a farm, the work ethic, like I can do that.

I can outwork people. And so being at Northwestern, I felt like I had more to give. I felt like I’m sitting here willing to volunteer all these hours and do whatever and I’m just looking for more of an opportunity. Bethel University was literally like a mile and a half down the road.

And I knew that their student assistant was their head JV coach was graduating. I was just, okay. I know a lot of people over there. I’m kind of connected. Let me see. And I just showed up to a team meeting. They were like who are you? I was like, I’m Reid. And they gave me some film and said, Hey, make a scouting report.

And they didn’t tell me am I making it as if I’m Bethel or as if I’m Augsburg. So I said, all right, I’ll make two. And I made two. And they were like what? I’m like, dude, this is all I know, man. And they gave me an office and I was there for three years and worked my butt off. It was three really difficult years, but it was three of the most impactful years of my life.

I had a ton of responsibility. One year I was running the offense on the jv. I got to recruit. I got to do a whole bunch of stuff. It’s just a great experience. I’m glad that I made the jump.

[00:24:13] Mike Klinzing: What did you love about division three basketball? What made it unique in your mind?

[00:24:18] Reid Ouse: Well, I got the opportunity to work D2 NAIA and D3.

And what’s interesting about division three is obviously kids are paying their own way and kids are going to go, they’re more apt to go to a place where they really feel at home like, this is a spot that, that I want to be. You know, sometimes you don’t necessarily get that if you’re playing for a scholarship where you’re just kind of like, Hey, I don’t have a ton of options.

I have to go where the money is. And so at the division three level, it’s more so of an even playing field. I would say not, I mean, obviously some of you have public schools, you have private schools, like the MIAC, the league that I coached in was all private schools and the Wisconsin League, it’s all public schools.

Yep. So there’s obviously a big difference in tuition and we would lose. You know, if they’re going to pay $10,000 versus $40,000. But the types of kids that we were getting at Bethel you generally didn’t have to worry about the academic piece. It was more of a high academic spot. Same thing I wouldn’t say Bethel Northwestern are super high academic, but you know, you had to have your ducks in a row.

You had to have things figured out and so it was a different type of experience based on the kids they were getting. It was definitely more of a family feel like the parents were involved, post-game meals, things like that. And I thought it was a really unique experience. Then I talk to division three coaches all the time, and that’s one of the things that they love.

There’s a ton of alumni involvement. It’s just like its own little community.

[00:25:45] Mike Klinzing: I think the division three experience, just like you said, from talking to a number of coaches on here that have been at that level, one of the things they do like is just the opportunity that their players have to really be involved in campus life.

And then you think about the way that Division one basketball is today, and I’ve said this back when I played Division one basketball a long, long time ago, our season would end and coaches would hand me a two page ditto sheet and be like, okay, here’s your workout. We’ll see you in September. And now you’re talking about guys around campus for 50 weeks out of the year, and you’re.

Doing all the four man workouts in the summer and skill development, all these things. And there’s obviously a lot of positive of that, but there’s also, it becomes, I mean, it’s all consuming. I don’t think a lot of people out there really understand. You have so many high school parents and players and things, and everybody has that sort of division one mentality of it’s have to be division one or bust.

And I think a lot of times people aren’t necessarily, they don’t really know for sure what they’re getting into before they get into it. And I think division three definitely is and is a level that we’ve tried to really promote here on the podcast. Just that people don’t understand how good the basketball is.

And then again, what type of experience you can have in finding the right fit at the right school I think is so important. I’m sure that’s something that you saw the time as a coach at the college level. After your three years at Bethel, you get a chance to go to Waldorf in Iowa.

[00:27:05] Reid Ouse:  Yeah, Waldorf was a great experience. I was there for a year. Nigel Jenkins is still the head coach down there. They just had a huge upset win heading into the turn into their conference tournament I believe the other day. You know, it was, it was a really unique spot because Forest City, Iowa was 4,500 people.

You know, at the NAIA level. The basketball’s pretty good. And you’re more apt to get kids kind of from all over the country. You know, NAIA schools are generally in smaller communities and so if you look at like up here, you have a Waldorf for Jamestown, valley City, two schools in North Dakota. I think the stats are like 80% of students are involved in an extracurricular, because you’re not going to have a ton of students that are like, I’m just going to go live in Forest City, Iowa for the next four years.

There’s nothing really appealing to the community. It’s more of like the sports, the sports world. And so coming from a Northwestern or Bethel two private schools, That are predominantly white schools. I went to Forest City and I was one of like three white guys in the entire program.

And that was such a cool experience for me. Like I mentioned my family earlier, like I’ve, I’ve, I’m the oldest of seven, my four youngest siblings are black. But to not really be immersed in that culture and that community Oh, such a great experience for me to be down there and, and just, not only the basketball stuff, but just learn about different things.

You had a kid from Milwaukee, couple kids from Milwaukee a couple kids from Arizona and Florida, and just get to learn more about people and get out a little bit outside of my bubble. And then to see all the, all the levels skill wise are a little bit different. Like you have the division three where you generally don’t have the greatest athletes, you got good athletes, but they’re generally pretty skilled. They can shoot the basketball I coach at the division two level and there you’re going to get some kind of like division one athletes that aren’t necessarily super skilled enough to play at that level.

You’re going to get the high level division three kids you know, at division three athletes, but maybe they just shoot the lights out. We had a kid like that who became an All-American at the D two level, but at the NAI level it was a mixture. Like you’d have a couple local kids that were more like division three players.

We had a couple dudes that are like, you are a division one athlete, you can hit your head on the rim . And that’s kind of like when I try to explain it to people, it’s like what’s the NAIA level like, I mean, it was crazy. Like I was our head JV coach on top of being the varsity top assistant.

And I’m drawn up like lobs for guys like catching at the top of the square in a JV game. We’re playing like Bethany Lutheran, which is a D three, and they like got a bunch of guys that can like barely touch the backboard and we’re throwing lobs. What? I’m like, what? Like what is going on? It was such a unique experience.

It was awesome. I mean, our conference was all the way, it’s down to Conway, Arkansas and Bartlesville, Oklahoma, so that led for a lot of long road trips on the weekends and sleeping on the bus overnight. But man, super thankful for that experience.

[00:30:18] Mike Klinzing: Absolutely. I mean, I think it speaks to the fact that when you go to these different levels that.

You get a unique experience in each place that you’re with. And obviously each coaching staff you take things that you learn from them, you incorporate that into what you’re doing as a coach. And I think that’s what makes those opportunities at the different levels. So special when it comes to developing yourself as a coach is just, you get a chance to work with all different levels of players.

You getting a chance to work with coaches that have different philosophies and different ways of looking at things. And then obviously as you go through those experiences, you’re picking up things that you like from all those different coaches that eventually you’re going to incorporate into who you become as a coach.

Talk a little bit about Minnesota State. You go to the division two level after leaving Waldorf. Tell us a little bit about that.

[00:31:03] Reid Ouse: Yeah, no, to, to just touch on your point real quickly about I got the opportunity to work for four head coaches in seven. And just kind of in, in my coaching journey, like I got to pick out a lot of really cool things from all four of those coaches.

One of the things too that my dad taught me at a young age was, it’s not always about learning what to do. It’s learning like what not to do or what you wouldn’t do. Right. And so I got an opportunity, like I took that to heart and I got the chance to work for four vastly different personalities in head coaches.

I got to work for four different types of recruiters and I had different responsibilities under all those coaches. And so like, that was super beneficial for me. And especially those first three stops really led to you know, a unique experience at Minnesota State Morehead. It was 45 minutes from where I grew up, and they had been just kind of a dumpster fire of a program for a lot of my childhood.

And Chad Walth all had been the coach there for probably five or six years. He had been the associate head coach at Iowa. and they had done some things in the administration to really get the, to funnel money back into men’s and women’s basketball. And that year we won our first conference title in like 32 years.

And just a really unique experience. I got a chance to have a lot of hands on with the offense. We had a ton of set plays. I got to call set plays and just really be involved that way. I couldn’t have asked for a better situation as a 24 year old getting that opportunity to to get win a conference championship and, and build a team that way.

It was a ton of fun.

[00:32:45] Mike Klinzing: At any point during this phase of your career, did you think that the individual training piece of it and what you’re doing now, was that something that you were thinking about or was that something that was completely not on your radar? And then just tell me a little bit about the transition.

How’d you end up going So towards this player development side of things?

[00:33:05] Reid Ouse: So I probably would’ve told you that it was something that I hadn’t thought about, but my dad actually was like, no, you did talk about that every once in a while. The reason I talked about that was I was I was single at the time where I was dating my now wife, but she was in Virginia and New York City, and so it was like, oh, hey, she calls me, it’s nine o’clock.

Hey, I’m going to bed. I’m like, great. I’m going to be in the office for four more hours. Like, I really had no accountability that way to like go home. I’m living in my buddy’s grandparent’s basement and I knew deep down that like, man, I love this. So much. I think there’s a chance I might be a terrible husband someday.

And that was something that was stuck in my mind because it’s like I’m very motivated. If I’m all in, I’m all in. And so at the end of the end of that season, my family was actually moving to Columbus, Ohio, where they’re at now. And my wife had a job in working in reality TV in New York City.

And there’s not necessarily a market for that in Fargo, Morehead North Dakota, Minnesota, . And, and so I had to make a choice like what am I going to do? And I took, I took a risk. Everybody told me like, dude, what are you doing once you get out? There’s no way that you can get back in.

Went out there, I was a finalist at a division three school, would’ve made me like the fourth youngest head coach in the country. I made the final two and I didn’t get it. And it’s actually funny because I interviewed on campus. They didn’t even call me. They sent me an email saying we appreciate your interest in the program, but we’re going to hire a different men’s or women’s soccer coach.

Like, they didn’t even edit the denial. Wow. Holy cow. Yeah. I still won’t drop the AD’s name or the school, but I still have that . But It turned out to be like a really cool thing for me because kind of pissed me off, like, no, now I’m, now I’m going to make it. And so I continued to apply for college coaching jobs.

I was living at my in-laws and they’re probably like, who is our daughter marrying ? Like, it’s the guy, it’s the guy who sends emails. Yeah, this dude is a bum. And so I started going to the park. I just started playing. I’d send emails to gyms and coaches. And I’d just go to the park and I’d play, and then I just kind of fell in love with playing again and the skill side. And I was like, well, maybe I can start training kids to make ends meet. And I met a guy named DJ Sackman, and I think DJ’s the best in the world in the player development space. He’s like, dude, I just moved back from LA. I need a guy. And so was working at a gym on Long Island, right outside Manhattan and was doing some stuff on the side for dj, which the gym had given me the approval to do.

And like two months before I got married, that gym called me and fired me. Because they thought DJ was going to use me to like, take their clients. DJ was like, dude, I hate Long Island. I’m not driving out there. I live in New Jersey, man. And so here I am two months before I’m getting married and I’m going, man, my in-laws are definitely thinking, who is this bum that our daughter is marrying?

And DJ’s like, well, I don’t need you right now, but I’m going to need you. And so he gave me some stuff up in Poughkeepsie which was like a two hour drive for me. And I would drive two hours up to do like two hours of training and drive two hours back. And he just found work for me. That kept me afloat until we opened up a facility and things just absolutely took off.

So again, it was one of those deals where I took a risk. I worked really, really hard, built some pretty strong bridges in the basketball community pretty quickly and things took off.

[00:37:05] Mike Klinzing: When you go from coaching at the college level to doing the training. Obviously there’s correlation there, but there’s also.

Some different skill sets that you need to have and you need to start looking at when you’re working with an individual player and trying to figure out what do they need? How am I going to help them? What was your process like early on? And obviously you learned from DJ, but what was your process like early on compared to, let’s say, where you are now in your career in terms of knowing exactly what you want to teach and how you want to teach it?

[00:37:35] Reid Ouse: Well, to be honest I became a little bit of internally that 14, 15 year old arrogant prick where I thought, man, I’ve been in the gym every day since third grade. I was a college coach for seven years. This is going to be easy. And as I started training players this prior to meeting DJ, I found myself I was like, I’m going to learn, so I’m going to watch film.

And I found myself obsessed with Steph Curry, but not for the reasons that most people were obsessed with. Steph, I watched Steph and I thought, you’re a mediocre athlete and you’re killing dudes. Like, how are you doing that? And then I started watching like Paul Pierce and Joe Johnson. I’m like, Paul Pierce is 49 years old.

He just scored 25 points last night and he can’t move. How is he doing it? And I became just obsessed with that. And I was like, man, I have, this is so different from everything that I’ve ever learned. We were so focused as a coach on systems and team concepts and managing emotions and recruiting and all that stuff.

The player development piece almost gets lost in that. And so I thought, man, the same way that I would dig into the details on a scouting report, watching other teams like, I need to take that same approach to player development. And so I got really. Kind of antsy to learn that I started looking up as much stuff as I could on YouTube.

And then actually when I was in the gym one day on a Sunday, it’s kind of a unique story because one of the guys that was working called me and said, Hey dude, I had too much to drink last night. I’m super hungover. Can you cover for me? We were set to go to church and I said to my fiance like, can I take this?

And she’s like, yeah dude, you don’t have any money. You have to go to the gym, man, So I went to the gym and they didn’t really need me, so I walked to the back gym, there was a camp going on another, and I’m like, who’s that guy? He looks familiar. They’re like, that’s DJ Sackman. And so I walked over, I had a business card from Minnesota State Morehead in my binder.

I’m like, dude, I probably look like an idiot, but you know I work here. I know you’re coming back to run a camp in a couple months. I’d love to help you promote it. And he was like, great, I just moved back. Let’s stay in touch. I made a bunch of promo stuff for him for free. And he loved it and we got connected that way.

[00:39:59] Mike Klinzing: It’s very cool. I mean, it’s funny how, as you well know how interconnected the basketball world is and how small it is and just how quickly you can be connected to one person or to another. And then I think the other thing that has been a theme that’s obviously run through your story to this point, and I think it’s one that clearly for any young coach out there, whether you want to be training or be a high school coach or be a college coach, the thing that I keep hearing you say over and over and over again is that it was hard work and obviously there’s some technical knowledge and there’s some skill, but ultimately the hard work piece of it is what makes all the difference.

Because then you can combine it with some of the things that you did when you start talking about trying to break down and analyze and figure out, well, how are these guys doing it when they’re not superior athletes? But it still comes down to. You have to put the time in, you have to have hard work. And if you have that as your baseline, you’re going to end up having a lot more success.

And I think a lot of times, especially when coaches are young, and you mentioned this too, that I, I think, and I was guilty of this for sure when I was a young kid, that you get done and you’re playing and you think, I know a lot about the game and I know a lot more than these coaches who are older and I don’t really necessarily even need to do X, Y, or Z.

Like I kind of can float on what I already know. And I know I was guilty of that when I was younger. And I look back and I’m like, man, I wish I would’ve worked a little bit harder. Not so much on putting the time in, but just on the way that I approached coaching. And I think what I hear you saying over and over again is hard work.

Hard work is what got me to where I am today. And I think there’s a great lesson in that.

[00:41:33] Reid Ouse: Oh, totally. And I don’t know that I necessarily finished, got sidetracked in my last when I was talking, but like taking that same approach. of like, I have to learn the ins and outs. Like, so when I got introduced to DJ, I was so hungry.

I was hungry to learn the game, but then I was hungry for mentorship. Just like, okay, how do I build a business that’s player first? Where I can provide as much value as possible? I knew that in order to have a successful business, that it was about the players and it needed to be about their development.

It didn’t need to be about like, how does my business model revolve around the players? And so I knew that in order for it to revolve around the players, I needed to be the best instructor that I could be. I needed to be an unbelievable communicator. I needed to be able to demonstrate everything that I was doing.

I had to be able to explain it. And so when that happened, it was like the arrogance in a sense, left. Where it was like, I have to learn as much from DJ as I can. There was no like old school anything. It was like, what can you teach me that’s new and that’s relevant that these kids are going to grasp and just take and run with?

[00:42:51] Mike Klinzing: So what did you take away from him? What were some of the things that he passed on to you that you’ve taken that you think are critical to your success right now?

[00:42:58] Reid Ouse: So we were in the gym filming one day and it was super fascinating because at that time the, the type of promotion was YouTube or Instagram had just switched from pictures to 15 second videos.

So we were trying to condense as much stuff into 15 seconds as possible. And we’re in the gym film in one day. And, and DJ’s like, he’s an unbelievable player. He’s like super skilled. He’s like 36, 37 years old right now. And he’s just cooking guys still, and I was not that guy, but I was able to demonstrate things and I was in the gym.

And so I’d get done filming him and he’s going to film me and I’m going through some stuff and he stops me and he’s like, dude, why are you doing this? And I’m like, what do you mean? He’s like, no, like why are you feeling like you have to be the player? I’m like, well, this is what everybody’s doing. Like this is the approach that people are taking.

He’s like, Reid, did you play at a high level? I’m like, no. He’s like, so the moment that you make yourself out to be the player, you now just threw yourself in the same category as myself or Tyler Relph or Jordan Lolly, or all these great players that are now training. And then the moment someone says, Hey Reid, where did you play?

And you say, I didn’t. You just lose all your credibility. I was like, whoa. He said, Reid, you’re a college basketball coach for seven years. The industry is like, it’s not as saturated as it is now. It’s fairly new. And he’s like, there’s not a lot of people that have your background as a coach. Stop trying to be the player, be the coach.

That was such an eye-opening experience for me because it really showed me like, no, I just need to be me. I don’t need to try to be DJ or, or any of these other guys. It really just changed my approach to teaching and basically what I was putting out there as my brand.

[00:45:03] Mike Klinzing: So let’s go back to try to figure out Steph Paul Pierce, Joe Johnson.  When you look at those guys, and it’s funny that you bring up Steph. Obvious. What he’s done in the game is absolutely incredible. But I remember back, so we live here in Cleveland, Jason and I, so clearly during the Warriors Cavs finals, we became less of a fan of Steph Curry during that era than I was prior to that.

But I remember seeing him play live here in Cleveland probably in maybe 2013, and coming away from that game. And I remember I called my dad after the game and I’m like, I think I found my new favorite player. And my dad’s like, who? And I’m like, Steph Curry. And he’s like, why? And I’m like, I just watched him play live.

And I have never seen a guy at any level move without the ball and utilize his feet to get open, to get shots off, to beat guys off the dribble, to get to where he wants to go better than him. And I think the footwork piece of it is something that. When you start talking about building a base for players, that that footwork is so underrated.

And I just think that, like I said, this is whatever, 10 years ago, 11 years ago, that I started looking at Steph and being like, man, just the way that guy moves and what he does with his feet sets him apart from so many other players. And to your point, good athlete, obviously a really good athlete, but not an Uber athlete at the N B A level, and yet the things that he’s able to do because of how efficient he is with his movement and what he does with his feet.

To me, clearly that’s something that if you can be able to take some of those aspects of what guys at that level can do and break that down and then be able to teach it to players, you become invaluable. So talk a little bit about how you went from, Hey, I want to study these guys and figure it out to, Hey, I know what they do now.

I can figure it out and now I can teach it to players. Tell me a little bit about the process you went through to be able to do that.

[00:47:12] Reid Ouse: Well, I’ve always said the best basketball players are the best problem solvers, and there’s a variety of different ways you can solve problems like a talk like a Luka Doncic, LeBron James, like the differences, like they both, both put up similar stats, but they solved problems completely different ways.

And so when I started thinking about like, how do we solve problem. And then you start approaching the footwork aspect of, okay, if I have multiple options, I’m almost impossible to guard It now becomes decision making. And Tex Winter who coached with the Bulls and the Lakers kind of the master behind the triangle offense, he had a statement where he said a defensive player cannot effectively guard two consecutive actions.

Like I think about like a baseline, out of bounds screen. The screener like, well, if I don’t show on the first screen, the guy gets an open shot, but if I show, I’m going to get back picked. So I can’t by myself, I can’t guard both of those actions. And I took that approach to skill development where it’s like, hey, if I can put these players in a situation or put them in a position where they have multiple options, where if they can if they can drive, if they can shoot it or they can cross over, like playing off of the bounce thought, man, that would be really valuable for these players. And really that became the foundation. It was like, okay, if I’m being guarded and I have a little bit of space, it’s like keeping space versus claiming space. Like if I have space, I have options.

So how do I get myself in an athletic stance like splitting my feet while keeping my space? Because if I step forward and I go into that space, I can’t shoot it anymore. I can’t cross over, I can only drive or maybe pass. So you put players in a position where they have multiple options and then realizing that if you do it correctly, the defense can’t guard consecutive actions.

Meaning like if I get to my drop stance, like a split stance, ball’s in my right hand with my right foot forward, if I keep my space and that defender steps back, I can either cross over or I can step in and shoot it. And if they try to defend the shot and I get outside their frame, I can drive out of this.

And so I started realizing Was somebody like Steph Curry, or I’ll give this example Luka Doncic right now. So a buddy of mine, Adam Harrington has been an NBA assistant for a long time. I was at his facility like a year ago in August, and we were talking about Luka and I said, I don’t think Luka Doncic has ever been more athletic than the guy guarding him.

And he laughed and he is like, that’s, that’s probably accurate. Like think about the defenders that Luka’s drawing. But Luka has the ability to shoot the basketball. So he doesn’t necessarily have the ability to fly by you unless he’s able to get you to crowd him or come out of your stance.

And so that’s how he solves problems where it’s like, Hey, if you could put that defender in a situation where they know if you’re, that you could shoot it, they’re likely to be leaning, or as I would say, lean, lift or lunge. If they come out of their stance now I got options to drive, I got options to change direction, all those things.

And when you, when you break it down if you have a youth player, the compliment that you give a youth player is, well, they’re advanced. It’s like, okay, well let’s, let’s just work on advanced things. The game is the exact same. The problem is we just don’t try to incorporate some of that footwork stuff, the foundational footwork at an early age.

And if we can start doing that early, we can developing good habits rather than getting them to the high school level and spending all this time breaking bad habits. So I really took that approach of what are the best players in the world doing that’s giving them success? You know, the Currys, Joe Johnson, Paul Pierce, what’s giving them success and how do we, how does that translate to he high school and youth level where we can teach that to players?

[00:51:08] Mike Klinzing: Talk to me a little bit about the youth level. If you’re talking about foundational. Footwork that you think a player needs to be able to continue to be able to have success and build on that as you go along. What are some of the foundational skills that you think are most important for a youth player at the elementary school age?

[00:51:26] Reid Ouse: Well, I think there’s two things. The most important in my opinion is your, is your timing, your dribble, step, timing. So if I have the basketball in my right hand and I’m walking, jogging or sprinting, the ball’s going to bounce with my left foot or you know, about the same time as my left foot. So I’ll dribble with my left foot, I’ll step with my right foot, I’ll dribble with my left.

That’s our dribble step, timing. And the best players generally have the best timing. And so if their timing gets off, they have the ability to get their timing back. And so I’ve used this example, so I work with Paige Beuckers from UConn, and it was the summer before her freshman year at UConn. And we went through this kind of skill stacking like four or five things. And if you were to, it was like between the legs, two dribbles, stop, go behind your back, reset your feet, drop cross, and then get to an inside hand floater. And if you were to take every single one of those skills individually, Paige has them mastered.

She could do all of those things individually, but she was struggling timing them up kind of together. And it was her dribble step. Timing was getting off, which forced her to stutter her feet. And so once that timing was off, it like derailed the entire thing. So it wasn’t a lack of skill, it was just a lack of timing.

And I use that example all the time because I think that that’s applicable at all levels. If you can get your timing, you have the ability to unlock just about any skill that you want. But as soon as that timing gets off, you’re in trouble. So it was like, Hey, can we master this dribble step timing?

I’ll work with youth kids and we’ll start them on, on the sideline. Say, Hey, I want you to dribble with your right hand all the way to the other side going half speed, dribble with your left foot, step with your right dribble with your left foot. And they’re, they’re looking at me like I’m dumb. Like it’s easy.

And 95% of the kids can’t do it because they start thinking about, I’m like, you guys are running like stiff legged. Like this is brutal. And so it’s like this is one of those things that’s never taught. So if we can start to develop that timing at a young level, you have the ability to get to so many other things.

And then the last aspect of it is just foot control. So Micah Lancaster had a quote a long time ago. It was like a good habit is a bad habit when it’s your only habit. And I thought about that. I’m like, okay, so if I, if I could stop if I’m right-handed and I stop left, right. Like, that’s a great habit.

I can stop in two steps. That’s super efficient. But if I’m going to the left and I can only stop left right now, I’m going to go right, left, right. Now that takes me three steps to stop, which isn’t necessarily wrong, but it’s not as efficient. And that situation might require me to stop in two steps, not three.

And so I started thinking about that at the youth level. Like we want to put players in a situation where they have multiple habits left, right, right, left. Be able to jump stop all of those things so that they can have control of their feet so that they have control for whatever the game requires or whatever the situation requires.

So it’s like with youth kids, if we can, if we can give them specifics and say, I need you to stop left, right. Avoid the jump stop. Okay. If we can time things up, do all those things, I think that that is crucial to their development. And then you start to see success because you’re eliminating some of the failure or a lot of the failure that’s associated with just poor timing. So as soon as you get that timing mastered, now you’re able to get to different footwork options, things like that. And now they’re more apt to work through some things because they’re seeing success quicker.

[00:55:15] Mike Klinzing: When you’re working with an in individual player. So you’re talking about, again, a youth player who’s maybe 9, 10, 11 years old if you’re working with somebody like that on an individual level, I think one of the things that I think trainers sometimes struggle with is how do you make that skill development in terms of footwork and timing and the things that you’re talking about.

How do you make that engaging for the player? Cause I think that’s one of the things that trainers sometimes find to be challenging is how do I take the things that I know are important for the kids to be able to do? And yet, yeah, maybe for a 17 or 18 year old kid who’s a senior in high school, those things, doing them repetitively and being able to get those down and master them can work.

How do you make sure that you’re staying with the kids level of attention span and what they’re able to do when you’re working with a younger player? Cause I think, like I said, I think that’s something that trainers sometimes struggle with.

[00:56:10] Reid Ouse: Well, I try to put the decision making on the player as much as I can and I try to keep them engaged. I think you have two types of training. You have command training and teaching Training and command training is super important. Like, hey, dribble to that cone, go between the legs, dribble there, go behind the back. You know, you’re giving them commands and that’s going to help you develop your skill.

That’s going to be repetition, things like that. But there’s, you can unintentionally turn a player into a robot when you do that. And I’ve worked with a ton of players that are super skilled in workouts. You see them in a game and they can’t play because they just don’t understand movements, they don’t understand how to solve problems.

And so when I’m working with a player of really any age, especially the youth, try to talk through situations and talk through problem solving. And so like if we’re getting to a finish, I’m not just going to tell you, Hey, you need to be able to finish with that ball outside of your frame. I’m going to tell you why.

So if you’re a fourth grader and you’re used to finishing with that ball right by your ear hole, let’s walk through that and let’s simulate where the defense would be at. And it’s like, okay, if this ball’s close to my body and the defender’s close to my body, that ball’s accessible. And that can lead to a lot of block shots.

And so once you start piecing some of those things together, I think kids are more engaged because they start to see the purpose of why am I doing this? Why am I trying to avoid all these other things? It gets them thinking. And then the other part is I try not to script everything. Like at the start we’re going to script more things, but I view things as like you have your start, then you have your middle part, which could be a stop or a change of direction. And then ultimately you have your finish or your jump shot. So if we’re working on a specific stop, I might let that kid say, Hey, I want you to start a different way every time. Start with a rip through.

Start off the bounce, start in a close stance, and then get to the stop. Or, Hey, we’re going to start off the off the catch. We’re going to rip through. Get to this stop, and then I want you to get to the rim and I want you to finish. And they’ll say, do you want me to get to a floater or a layup? And I’ll say, yes,

And they’re like, what? I’m like, dude, like I want you to see the game. I want you to be creative. And so when we do things that way I think when we do things in a strictly in a command training setting, players can shut their brain off in a sense. And it’s just like boring and repetitive where I’m like, Hey, I have to keep you engaged.

And the other thing that I’ll do is if I feel like I’m losing a kid or I’m losing a group, like, okay, we’re on the left wing, we’re doing something. All right, everybody come on in, we’re going to switch, we’re going to go to the right wing. Now we’re going to do something completely. and we might start completely different and then we’re going to get to the same thing and these kids are like, oh yeah, this is great.

We’re doing something completely different. It’s like, no, this is the exact same thing. We just switched up the start. So now that you think it’s something completely different and now we have you reengaged. So those are some of the things that I try to do to keep kids focused is keep them thinking about, Hey, what problem am I trying to solve here?

How do I do it? And then, hey, how do I be creative out of it?

[00:59:19] Mike Klinzing: Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. I think when you can build that creativity in. I think that’s one of the things that we talk to coaches too, is that they sometimes worry that just because of the way that the situation is now in terms of youth basketball, that the creativity that kids used to have, maybe where they were playing more pickup basketball, that creativity is a little bit lacking sometimes.

And so I think if you can incorporate that into what you’re doing as a trainer, you’re certainly giving those kids a skill that coaches are looking for out there. They want players who are creative, they want players who have a high iq, and I think if you can bring that to them, you’re obviously adding a ton of value.

How much time are you spending watching? Film, whether it’s of the players that you’re actually working with or whether you’re watching N B A guys and trying to pick up things that they’re doing. How much time during a week are you spending watching film?

[01:00:09] Reid Ouse: You know, it’s interesting because I don’t watch a ton of live basketball.

I got twins at home. It’s kind of crazy. But I also, like, I consumed content in so many different ways, whether it’s social media or watching different highlights or going on synergy and pulling specific things. You know, it, it really goes back for me what’s the foundation like?

I think there’s, I compare it to building a house. Like you can get super creative in building the house, but at the end of the day, like there’s only a certain amount of ways that you can build the foundation for that house. Right? And, and how do you make that thing sturdy so that ultimately, when the house is being built, it’s going to withstand the storm and the chaos that mother nature brings.

It’s the same thing on a basketball standpoint. It’s like, okay, how do I help you build your foundation, put you in spots where you have great foot control, great timing, and then also understand like who you are but also sometimes more importantly, what you’re not. Like it would be really silly for me to expect a five, nine point guard to be able to solve problems the same way a six eight athletic wing would, and I could have both of those players in a group, but we have to differentiate between the two that, hey, this dude might be able to jump and finish and you might have to jump early and get a little creative with when you release the ball or things like that. So I’m constantly looking for different ways to improve on that and different ideas to give players.

But when it comes down to it, the foundation is the foundation and we can continue to work on different aspects of things outside of the foundation. But really it’s going to come back to like, do you have control of your feet? And then, it’s also the IQ piece. Like do you understand how to make reads?

Do you understand how to flow and play within the offense and not take 47 dribbles?

[01:02:10] Mike Klinzing: Very true, very true. Skills in isolation are not always valuable, right? You have to be able to have them in context and understand, okay, I have this skill in my bag, but how do I use it? When do I use it? And that ability to read things I think is something that is really important.

And I’m sure that you do a lot of that when you’re working in group settings where you’re putting kids more in situations where they have to utilize the skills that you’re teaching them.

[01:02:32] Reid Ouse: Totally. We try to, when I’m focusing on certain skills, try to break it down. I posted something on Twitter the other day.

You know, this is a great movement if you need more. or if you’re toeing the three point line and you need to get behind the three point line. And someone in the comments was like, well, how do you know without a defender? It’s like, Hey, ding dong. We’re walking through this in a one on 0 setting. Right?

You break that down, you get them to understand their balance, the footwork, the timing, and then we try to put them in a situation where it’s competitive, where they have to utilize the skill that we were just working on. And so, for example, like I was looking through some footage today, like we were focusing on like getting to a quick stop, like a left right stop, and to create separation and then exchanging behind our back.

So we would maybe play one-on-one where the defender is on the offensive player’s hip. So they’re at a big time disadvantage, but the offensive player cannot get to a shot until they get exchanged behind their back. So what that’s going to do is that’s going to give the defender time to react and get in front.

But it also gives the offensive player the ability to make a decision. Like, Hey, when am I going to get to my exchange? And then once I get out of that, that defenders in a recovery stance, how do we play? And so that would be a just an example of some of the skill stuff that we do that would allow players the opportunity to kind of get a feel for it as their plan.

[01:04:06] Mike Klinzing: Yeah, that’s, I think, a really good way of approaching it. And the more you can put those skills in context and give kids an opportunity to utilize that, and again, as you said, putting constraints on it in terms of how you align the defense or what the situation is, allows kids that opportunity to be able to put those skills into use and eventually, hopefully be able to utilize them and, and understand and recognize during a game what exactly is happening.

Let’s shift gears and talk a little bit about your business, the business side of what you do, because obviously as a coach. At the college level, you’re not necessarily thinking about running a basketball business. So talk a little bit about what it was like for you, kind of building a business around your basketball training.

What did that look like for you? What were some of the parts of it that you enjoyed and maybe what were some of the parts of it that you were like, eh, that part wasn’t quite as much fun?

[01:04:57] Reid Ouse: Well, I’ll just start with the not fun part. Okay. If, for me, that was the financial piece. You know, I was a college coach.

I think I made like $50,000 in seven years, right? Like, so I’m not making any money and I didn’t care. I was just like, I just have to work really, really hard until I get that that first like full-time college job and. Like, I’m living in my buddy’s grandparents’ basement, like I’m paying them like 125 bucks a month.

It’s funny, I got married and they sent me like six checks that were uncashed. They were like, Hey congrats on getting married. Here’s your wedding present. And I didn’t even check in my bank account, right? Like, I didn’t care. I had enough. I was wearing sweats that the school gave me. I didn’t care at all about the financial piece.

And so then switching over to the business side, I was so focused on like providing value and getting these kids better and building my reputation that way. That it was like, oh yeah, this is my job. I have to make money doing this . And so that was, that was super interesting and uncomfortable for me. It was not money wasn’t something that my family talked about.

We were farmers, right? You just like work really hard and it’s like some years it’s good. Some years it’s not. And so that was the interesting piece for me. But I loved the relationship piece that I got to get with the players. You know, that was one of the things that I knew I was going to miss being a college coach, is the bus rides or guys ducking their head into the office and talking them hoops or talking life, the mentorship piece.

So I was, I really liked the fact that I got to be in front of more kids. It wasn’t like the same 12 to 15 guys for the entire year. So I really liked that. And then the other part was I’m very self-motivated. Like a lot of the stuff that I’ve done whether it’s web design or social media or video editing, like I’m all self-taught.

And so I really loved that piece of not having anybody look over my shoulder telling me what to do. because I loved it. I was like I said, if I’m in, I’m in. And so I just had that same, that mindset of like, I can, I can grind it out instead, instead of being a really bad husband and being in the office, I can go kiss my wife goodnight and then walk downstairs to my office and do that.

[01:07:22] Mike Klinzing: Yeah. I think the opportunity to be able to do those things as a self-taught person, there’s a lot of satisfaction in that. I know with the podcast, Jason, and I can attest to this, that we started, we had no idea what we were doing, and it wasn’t going to, we weren’t doing interviews at first, it was just him and I sitting at his mom and dad’s kitchen table and recording, and then we’re like, okay, maybe we have to figure this thing out.

We had a couple interviews that we did on site, and then all of a sudden we’re like, well, we better figure out how to do remote interviews and we better figure out how to get this thing sound a little bit better. And as you learn and you go through the process, , you sort of get that satisfaction of, Hey, I figured this out and I’m the person that is doing it.

And then I think the next challenge, which I’m sure is one you’ve run into is as you become sort of that one man shop, there’s a limit to how much you can grow until you start to be able to, to delegate and grow. And I know you have a number of people that are working for you. So talk a little bit about going from being, hey, I’m a one man shop to now suddenly I’m working and I’m having some other people work underneath me and doing some things for me and picking that up.

Cause I think as a business owner, that’s sometimes a challenging leap to take is you tend to be a control freak and want to know and do things. And especially when you’re self-taught, you’re like, Hey, I can do this. But you kind of have to let some other people take over some aspect of it if you want to grow.

So talk a little bit about maybe that stage in your business.

[01:08:41] Reid Ouse: Yeah, it was interesting because I am not good at delegating. I’ve gotten quite a bit better at it. But you know, I’d, I’d have business mentors that are like, Hey, like your website, like. You know, give that over to somebody else. I’m like, dude, this is my baby

Like, I’ve built this thing, I’m self-taught. Like I’m not letting anybody touch this thing. Like, that’s my baby. And realizing like, okay, I need to be able to give some of this stuff up. And then the other part was, yeah, catalyst training was growing, but it was Reid osi. And so I knew that I was basically capped out.

I had people calling that wanted me to come run camps and things like that. And I felt like I couldn’t leave the Twin Cities because I had clients here and I, and I felt like I owed them. My time, I needed to be here. And so I was really hesitant, like, how am I going to grow? I know I need to grow, but I also, like when we were running the hoop school in New Jersey, we launched a membership program and we got like 70 kids in it right away.

And it was really good. But we, we realized that how we priced it is it was, it was kind of cheaper than afterschool programs for some of those kids. And so we had really good players and then we had really bad players. And it got to the point where the really good players were like, Hey, we love these workouts, but we got some ding dongs running around over here that don’t want to be here, and they don’t even play basketball, right?

And so I was like, man, how do we grow this the right way? And so I had a couple guys that that worked out with me that I had trained for a couple years that were interested. And so it was really important to me from a terminology standpoint, just from a flow that. They used the same terminology, they taught the same I wanted them to make it their own, but if a kid was going to work out with me and then they were going to work out with one of my other guys, I wanted, I wanted that to be somewhat of a seamless transition.

And so I was sort of bringing those guys around more, having them so the kids got comfortable and then I’d have them teach while I was there. And then it gave me the opportunity to really step out of my comfort zone and do the same thing that DJ did for me, which was mentor them and say, Hey that was great what you said there, but it took a minute and a half and you have to get it done in 45 seconds, otherwise you’re going to lose these kids.

Right? And so it got to the point where we, we work with programs in the fall high school programs. I think we had 29 this last fall, and we have five programs on a Wednesday. Well, I can’t be in five different gyms. So I got to the point where I was like, Hey, we have other guys coming. And I’ve built a reputation that if Reid sends somebody, they’re good.

And so I never wanted it to be a situation where they’re like, Hey, who’s this knucklehead that you sent to the gym to work with our kids? And we haven’t had any complaints. And so that’s one of the things that I learned. And maybe I, maybe I grew too slow, but I was super hesitant after that experience in New Jersey.

Like I was leaving money on the table in the short term because I knew long term the most important thing was building up a reputation. And that reputation was going to be sustained by guys that knew what they were doing. And so I was really patient and I’m glad that I did it that way.

[01:11:47] Mike Klinzing: What’s your process for working with the trainer that you bring in to make sure, as you said, that you’re on the same page in terms of the way you’re teaching, what you’re teaching, the terminology?

How do you go about making sure that that takes place?

[01:12:01] Reid Ouse: Well, one of the things that I’ve gotten to the point where I have a couple other guys, the guy named Ryan Brueggeman, who plays in England right now and then another guy named Ryan Miller that are with me all the time. And so it’s gotten to the point where they’ve seen me mentor them.

They’re super talented and they can run. I mean, they basically, when I’m gone running camps all summer, they’re running our, our small group membership program. They, they work with a ton of teams and so I can send guys to work with them when I’m not around and say, Hey we have to be able to build up this, this entire team.

Because if the more guys we get, the more work we’re able to take on, the more opportunities for those guys. And so I try to get them to spend time with me. First with the teams because the team versus the small group stuff is going to be different, right? Small group stuff. If you have six to eight kids in a gym, you can get more in depth with the skill stuff with the teams.

You know, it’s, you have might have 40 kids in the gym, it’s not necessarily as specific. So getting coaches in that situation, seeing how we handle big groups, but then getting a grasp for some of the footwork stuff, they start to build their foundation of knowledge. and then ultimately getting them into small groups, seeing how we do things and then having them teach some stuff that they’re comfortable with.

I try to pick a couple things, Hey, what are you most comfortable teaching? And if they go teach that, then they start to get some confidence in their ability to teach. We can kind of critique that a little bit and then slowly give them some stuff. But if they’re around me quite a bit they start to see kind of how things progress how we do things.

And I think they pick up, pick up pretty quickly. And we see that with the players too, where if I give the players a little bit of freedom, I’ll say you have to stop. You’re screwing up my workout because you’re getting out to all the progressions before I’m introducing them and we’re running out of stuff to work on today.

[01:13:56] Mike Klinzing: Tell me a little bit about how you mind shift in terms of when you’re working with a really high level player, you’re working with somebody in the NBA, you’re working with somebody like Paige, you’re working with a fourth grader. How do you shift your mindset in terms of. , just the skill level of those players.

Obviously you’re giving everything that you have to both sets of people, whether you’re working with a fourth grade player who’s there for the first time, or whether you’re working for working with a player who plays at really high level, but just how do you go and shift from one to the other? I think it’s a really tremendous skill to be able to work with players at different levels.

So talk a little bit about how you approach that.

[01:14:36] Reid Ouse: Yeah, I try to take the same approach to be honest. You know, it’s interesting you talk about professional basketball players, we kind of put them on a pedestal as being completely different. A lot of them are just normal human beings, and so like, it’s fascinating.

Like I’ll walk into a gym with a fifth grader and their mom is like, Hey how are the twins? How’s your wife? We have those types of conversations or. Andrew Wiggins walks in the gym, the first thing he asks are, how are the boys? Yeah. Right. Like, it’s, so the approach, like in terms like, I’ll say this, I try to connect with the player try to understand like, how are you wired?

What’s your personality? And you know what, like, do you need someone to get on you, do you need someone to kind of pat you on the back and, and encourage you that way? Like what, like what makes you tick? And then really just approach it from, from that standpoint I have fourth graders that need to be coached harder than professional players.

And then I have professional players that want to be coached really, really hard. I have professional players that want me to introduce something and then they want to kind of figure it out on their. And so, I don’t know, I think it sounds, sounds silly. Like people are like, well, you work with NBA players, so how could you work with a youth player?

And it’s like, no, I think a lot of it’s the same. You have to connect with the player, you have to figure out how they’re wired and then try to introduce things that you think will help their game and challenge them. That connection piece I think is huge.

[01:16:11] Mike Klinzing: I think that that’s really where it all starts is do you connect with the player where that player, again, regardless of the level, believes that you can help them and make them better.

And that’s A, developing the relationship. And then B, developing the trust between yourself as the trainer and them as the player. And I think that goes for whether you’re working for with a player at the highest levels of the game in the N B A or you’re working with somebody who’s in fourth grade, where maybe you have to also build trust with the mom and dad in that case.

But clearly building that trust and building that relationship to me is critical.

[01:16:46] Reid Ouse: Oh 100%. And I think I sometimes I have more difficulty with the younger players. Like it’s fascinating. Sometimes you have mom or dad come in and they feel like they got everything figured out, or they feel like they have to come in and kind of explain what I need to do.

Right. Or they know what they’re coming to me because their kid won’t listen to them. But it’s not that they’re good enough. You’re not good enough to teach their kid. It’s just they want a different voice. And I walk in the gym. I might ask Paige like, what you got anything specific? And she’s like, it’s your show, man,

Or and like that, that continues to wow me. You know, like Wiggins is the same way Jake Layman played for the Timberwolves. Like a lot of those players, they come in and they’re just like, I just want to work. I want you to see, I want to see if you can give me something that’s going to make me think. You know, it’s, it’s super, it’s interesting you have Paige Beucker’s and AZ fud, they’re best friends.

They play at UConn. They’re both number one recruit in their class. And there are times where Paige seems like, Hey, are you, are you good? But that’s just how she’s wired. Like she just demands excellence out of herself. She gets a little grumpy. Az will make a mistake and she’ll go, oh, that could have been better

And, and I’ll joke with her and she’s like, oh yeah, it’s funny. Paige will like get mad and like want to throw a basketball and AZ just like says like, ah, shucks. But they have like the same exact expectations of themselves. So it’s just like trying to figure out like, Hey, you guys are the same in your approach, but your demeanor.

Outwardly is completely different. So it’s like, how do you coach that? And that’s, that’s the part that I love. I love being able to take a really good player and challenge them. Sometimes you make them feel like they are, you’re teaching them how to walk again with some of the footwork, but ultimately it’s like, Hey, how can I connect with them?

And, and build up some trust and, and go about it that way.

[01:18:41] Mike Klinzing: How do you prep for a particular workout? So you’re going to work with a player, let’s just say you’re going to work with Paige. What, what’s the prep work like for that one individual workout? What exactly are you going through? What processes do you go through to get that ready to go?

[01:18:54] Reid Ouse: Well, I try to watch some film and not only look at you have skill stuff, but then you also have situational things. So it’s like, okay, what are some situations that she’s going to find herself? You know, what type of angles is she coming off ball screens? What type of actions do they utilize to to get her in space or get her in an advantage and then go, okay, this is where I see her.

What are some skill things that we can maybe attack that might be make, make her a little bit more effective? And so that’s really my approach is we will kind of, kind of go all over the place where it’s like, okay, you find yourself in some ball screen stuff that, that means we have to talk through that specific ball screen situation.

But you might also find yourself in a switch off of that, where you’re in an isolation situation. So we can incorporate some different movements that way. So it depends on how often I’m going to get them Hey, are you here for a week? Are you here? Is this a one off thing? Like, like what is it? We try to take that approach if I know I’m going to get them three, four times while they’re back.

Then we’ll try to progress. Otherwise, if it’s like a one off deal, like, Hey, I’m in town for 24 hours, then we take a completely different approach and try to see like, Hey, are you looking to get shots, cardio, or do you want this to be like educational and me give you as much stuff as I can?

[01:20:20] Mike Klinzing: Yeah, it makes a lot of sense.

I think being able to cater to what that player wants and again, the situation of how often you’re going to be able to work with them, and clearly it’s different for each individual in terms of how you prepare and what you go about doing. We’re coming up close to an hour and a half read. I want to wrap it up by asking you one final two part question.

Part one being, when you look ahead over the next year or two, what do you see as being your biggest challenge? And then the second part of the question is, what’s your biggest joy when you think about what you get to do each and every day? So your biggest challenge and then your biggest joy.

[01:20:51] Reid Ouse: From a challenging standpoint. That’s a good question. The business is really exploding. You know, I have a ton of requests for camps. Being from small town Minnesota and having a unique last name, I think people have always recognized that the last name just from my dad and myself as a player, and that the name has just continued to grow as people recognize that and they see kind of the online presence.

And I have a lot of really good coaches that have helped grow the business by saying, Hey, we bring Reid in and we’ve had a ton of success. Our kids love him. And so I’m at the point where it’s like, okay, there’s only one of me to do the traveling. And then the other pa the other part is like, I got Jackson, Jameson, my twins that turn two in a week at home, my wife.

I love being on the floor, but it’s like, hey, I realize that they’re only young for about four years. Yep. And I don’t want to miss that. We’ve had a blizzard the last two days and we’ve been inside and it’s like, man, I can’t wait for the summer to be able to go to the splash pad with them.

And he spent some time in the lake and just doing things like that outside. And so that’s going to be, I think my biggest challenge is like, Hey, I’m a basketball trainer, but that’s not my identity. I’m a husband and I’m a dad and I love that. And so it’s kind of navigating that. It’s going to be interesting.

And then ultimately the, the biggest joy that I get out of this is someone asked me that question, like what, what are you most proud of? I said, it’s a community that we’ve built. We’ve just having good people around it’s been really interesting. We had a lot of people, a lot of people, It’s, I don’t know how to say it.

We had a lot of people that just want to be a part of this, that when we get kids in the gym that are kind of knuckleheads, they kind of phase themselves out, like they don’t fit. And that’s been super interesting to watch that kind of develop over the last four or five years because it was one of my concerns, like we talked about the New Jersey situation.

Like what happens if we get knuckleheads in here and we got such a great community of kids and parents that just like, they want to be, I, I’m watching, I’m getting pictures sent to me by moms of like Maxwell Woods and Grayson Omen. Two competing schools work. They work out all summer and it’s like a picture of them guarding each.

And it’s like they’re taking pictures after the game. It’s like they didn’t know each other before they came to the gym with me. And it’s like being able to build that community and you know, have, have parents show up when we had the twins and they’re in the NICU and we show up and there’s just like gifts on the front door, at the front door for the boys.

Like that sense of community. I mean, I know that I’m going to be invited to weddings and things like that in the coming years. I’m really proud of what I’ve built, what my wife has kind of helped build. And then just the team of people that I have around me.

[01:23:59] Mike Klinzing: That’s awesome. Really good stuff. And I think that all the detail that you’ve gone into tonight and just, you can tell the passion that you have for what you do, and that’s really what it’s all about when you bring that hard work, which has been a theme that you’ve talked about throughout the night.

I think all that combination of the hard work that you put in and the attention to detail. That’s obviously what has made you successful. Before we get out, I want to give you a chance to share how people can connect with you, find out more about what you’re doing. You can share social media, website, email, whatever you feel comfortable with.

And then after you do that, I’ll jump back in and wrap things up.

[01:24:30] Reid Ouse: Yeah, so my, my website is basketballcatalyst.com. You know, we just launched a coaches education platform on there. That’s super cool. We just, we have over 300 videos. Just got a lot of really unique stuff up there from drill work to individual skills.

We have Off-season workout programs for people. It’s just kind of an all-inclusive deal. We wanted to put that all together, so we’re really excited about that. That’s on basketball catalyst.com and then on social media my Twitter is @reidouse And then on Instagram, @coachouse

We got my community phone number on there in the bio that’s me that responds, so it’s not somebody else. So if you have questions, like it’s a great opportunity to connect with me and kind of join that community where we send out free content every once in a while, just allows me to stay connected to coaches and, and kind of build relationships that way.

[01:25:32] Mike Klinzing: Awesome, can’t thank you enough, Reid, for jumping on tonight and joining us. And to everyone out there, thanks for listening and we will catch you on our next episode. Thanks.