PETE MORAN – JOHN CARROLL UNIVERSITY MEN’S BASKETBALL HEAD COACH – EPISODE 576

Pete Moran

Website – https://jcusports.com/sports/mens-basketball

Email – pmoran@jcu.edu

Twitter – @pmoran07

Pete Moran is in his fifth season as the head coach of the men’s basketball program at John Carroll University in Cleveland, Ohio.

Moran succeeded his father, Mike Moran, who held a 25-year tenure at the helm of the JCU men’s basketball team. Pete served under his Dad as an assistant coach at his alma mater for five seasons before being promoted.

Prior to joining the John Carroll staff, Moran was the head coach at Berkshire High School in Burton, Ohio from 2008-11. During his time at Berkshire, Moran led the Badgers to three Chagrin Valley Conference (CVC) titles and two district championships (2010, 2011). He was named CVC Coach of the Year three times, OHSAA Division III District Coach of the Year twice (2009, 2011), and News-Herald Coach of the Year in 2010.

As a player at John Carroll, Pete was a 4 year starter, 3X Captain, 3x All-OAC and scored over 1,000 points while playing for his father.  Pete’s road to John Carroll as a student/athlete was an unusual one that you’ll hear him discuss on this episode.

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Jot down some of the valuable lessons to be learned as you listen to this episode with Pete Moran, Head Men’s Basketball Coach at John Carroll University.

What We Discuss with Pete Moran

  • His father, Mike Moran, longtime Head Coach at John Carroll and St. Joseph High School in Cleveland, Ohio
  • Painting parking lots as part of the family business when he was a kid
  • Learning the value of a great work ethic from his Dad
  • “My goal in life was to play basketball for my father at John Carroll University.”
  • The story of why he didn’t get into John Carroll coming out of high school
  • Failing out of Lakeland Community College before working as a bank teller for 5 years while helping his brother as an assistant coach at Berkshire (OH) High School
  • Getting accepted to John Carroll at age 23
  • Playing for his father and with his brother Matt at John Carroll
  • Hard work & preparation are keys to success
  • “I love the relationships that I’ve been able to establish. I love working with young men. I love building programs. I love the preparation aspect of it. I love everything involved with it.”
  • His decision to leave teaching/high school coaching and pursue the opportunity to coach with his Dad
  • Working on his coaching portfolio for nine months to prepare for interviewing for the head coaching job at John Carroll
  • “This isn’t my legacy, it’s your legacy.”
  • His first year experience in taking over from his Dad at John Carroll
  • Why coaches must evolve and change
  • The special bond between the coaches in the OAC
  • Looking for the right academic fit when it comes to recruiting
  • “You really don’t know what you have until they’re on your court and you’re coaching them for seven straight days.”
  • “It takes time to build that competitiveness. But eventually it happens.”
  • Where you get picked in open gyms tells you a lot
  • “You’ve got to prove yourself to your peers first.”
  • Keeping his reserves engaged through constant communication
  • Tips for developing leaders on your team
  • Leading through work ethic
  • “We have young men that come to our institution because they love the game of basketball and they want to play it, but they also want to be successful in life.”
  • Having a coaching staff of John Carroll alums

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TRANSCRIPT FOR PETE MORAN – JOHN CARROLL UNIVERSITY MEN’S BASKETBALL HEAD COACH – EPISODE 576

[00:00:00] Mike Klinzing: Hello and welcome to the Hoop Heads Podcast. It’s Mike Klinzing here with my co-host Jason Sunkle tonight, and we are pleased to welcome to the podcast. Pete Moran, the head men’s basketball coach at John Carroll University here in Cleveland, Ohio, Pete, welcome to the Hoop Heads Pod.

[00:00:13] Pete Moran: Thanks for having me, Mike, looking forward to J looking forward to talking to you guys,

[00:00:17] Mike Klinzing: Absolutely excited to have you on and learn more about your basketball journey.

Share that with our audience. Want to start by going back in time to when you’re a kid you grow up in a basketball family. Tell us a little bit about your first experiences with the game that you can remember.

[00:00:32] Pete Moran: I guess before we even start, we got to, I mean, I think you know, the elephant in the room is my father.

You know, that that’s probably the name that’s going to be talked about more than, than, than my. You know, obviously my father was at St. Joe’s back then it now it’s called Villa Angela St Joe’s. Andmy earliest memories of the game of basketball was was going to his practices and seeing the likes of Clark Kellogg Treg Lee Eric Riley, Tony Miller, some sensational basketball talent.

So I think that’s probably in my first introduction to game of basketball is just going to work with dad. And you know, I, I guess you know, from there it, 40 years later there, I sit now you know, as a head coach at John Carroll university,

[00:01:11] Mike Klinzing: What do you remember about your dad as a high school coach?

Obviously you got a chance to work for him, which we’ll get to a little bit later. There are John Carroll as an assistant. What do you remember as a kid? What do you remember about him as a high school coach?

[00:01:24] Pete Moran: Well, to be honest with you, Mike, I think my fondest memories of my. Isn’t necessarily him on the on the sidelines.

You know, what my father taught at St Joe’s and we all know that Catholic education doesn’t pay the best. So my father actually in the summertime our main source of income was painting parking lots. I come from a rather large family I’m one of six and you know, to make ends meet and to put food on our table.

My father had a striping business that you know what as a young man young boy, I should say myself and my siblings, you would have to give up our Saturdays and Sundays to, to go pick parking lots. And I think you know, they’ve really instilled a work ethic. I think that’s where it all started.

You know, that’s where I, you know that’s where I look at my father and I really, truly, truly idolized him. You know, now for his success on the basketball court the work ethic that he’s instilled in me and my siblings you know, people don’t really know all that much about him other than his wins and losses and state championships and OAC championships.

You know, he’s incredible stories, incredible human being. And you know, I was just very fortunate, not only to be raised by him, but also very loving mother that is very dear to my heart. And she’s probably my best friend in the whole world.

[00:02:43] Mike Klinzing: How has that experience with your family growing up as a kid?

How has that influenced you with your wife, your kids, and how you’ve tried to handle that as a coach? Because we all know, obviously that coaching takes a tremendous amount of time. It probably takes more time now than it ever has. So just, how do you balance that out when you think about yourself as a coach and maybe what did you learn from your dad that you felt like he did well in that area?

[00:03:13] Pete Moran: You know, I translate to a lot of my X’s and O’s and preparation you know, from him and, and the amount of work that he put in. I remember as a, as a young boy watching him watch film, I had no idea what he was doing. You know, I’m like, dad, why are you stopping the the, the VHS what’s, what’s, what’s going on here.

And it just watching him and the amount of time that he put into the game. You know, again the answer first part of your question you know, you got to find the the right wife, the right spot. I think you know, I’m equally as supportive as my to my wife and her career as she is to mine.

You know, and there were multiple games growing up where my father wasn’t able to attend the bars. I remember distinctly my, my brother and I, my younger brother were playing the district final. In high school, he’s two years younger than I was. And I was a senior back at West Geuaga high school.

And he was unable to come to the game because they were playing in the sweet 16 and the NCA tournament. You know, I remember my senior night you know, he wasn’t able to attend because he was a, you had a basketball game that night. But, but I never felt that that, that there wasn’t love. I never felt that you know, he avoided those situations.

I knew he was working and he was helping provide for our family.

[00:04:31] Mike Klinzing: I think that that’s a really good lesson. It’s something that sometimes people lose sight of in terms of understanding when you feel that support, even if a parent can’t be at every single event, especially in today’s world and new sports.

And you think about how involved parents can sometimes be in their children’s athletic lives. And we so often see people that are kind of going over the top in terms of that involvement. And on the other hand, you could still feel that support that love and, and being able to show that and demonstrate that in different ways.

And as you said, he passed along that work ethic and all those things that you learn, sort of, even if it wasn’t expressly said, you just saw how he was behaving, what he was doing, how he was putting the time in watching film and preparing for practice and all those kinds of things. When you think about your own basketball career as a player, when was the moment, if you remember that you started to think that.

This game was going to be the one that you were going to gravitate to, obviously with your family, with your dad, you’re around basketball at the time, but when did it kick in that it was more about you becoming a basketball player, as opposed to it’s just what I’m around because my dad’s a coach. If that question makes any sense.

[00:05:46] Pete Moran: No it does. And, and to answer that question, I probably would add to say I was in second grade and you know, we grew up in a Catholic family and I was attending a different Catholic school and somehow I was able to play on the another Catholic school, sixth grade basketball team as a second grader.

And I remember in 19 points, I don’t know how I remember this. This is going back. Holy cow. It has to be 35 years. And I remember that kind of, that was the moment I fell in love with the. You know, that’s when I knew I can play this game and I can compete. But before I ever jumped ahead of my jump ahead of myself, I, I knew at an early age, my limitations you know, I knew the NBA wasn’t called and I knew Mike’s success.

He wasn’t gonna show up on my doorstep. I knew Bobby Knight wasn’t coming over to recruit me. You know, when my dad made the transition from St. Joe’s to John Carroll in 92 you know, I distinctly remember my video games back then NBA live, you were able to change players names in the game.

And, and I would change my team to all John Carroll players. So my NBA and my Duke was John Carroll and I never thought any differently. That was always from, from my earliest ages. That was my goal in life, was to play basketball for my father at John Carroll university.

[00:07:09] Mike Klinzing: What did you do as a player during your high school, years in the off season to improve your game?

What was it like compared to, let’s say what your players today might do in the off season, when you think about the explosion of training and a you and all that stuff, which I think you, back to the time when you play, just how was it different compared to what it’s like today and what are some of the things that you did to become a better player over the years?

[00:07:39] Pete Moran: I always saw you played against better people. You know, older people, people that were better than you. I my dad always had us playing in higher up levels. You know, I remember as a sophomore, junior in high school, rather than playing in a high school summer league he had us participate in the John Carroll summer league.

So we were playing against college basketball. You know, when we were sophomore Jews in high schools and, and most of the people that were in this college league were all obviously college students. You know, I, I think they’ll tell you a little bit about my story. I’m not sure how much you know about my background and my story to John Carroll, but out of high school, I was not accepted into John Carroll university.

I I’m very open and very transparent about my story and I really wasn’t a good student graduated west Geauga with about 2.3 GPA and. And despite my dad being at John Carroll, they would not accept me. So they, they advised me to go to a community college and, and, and to be honest with you, I went to the Lakeland community college and I basically failed out.

I never attended classes. I, I remember driving by the Lakeland and going, you know what, I’m just going to go, go to the mall. And I would go sit in the mall for four hours at my dad’s house in class. You know, so about a year went by and I basically failed out to, and luckily enough, a buddy of mine’s father worked for fifth, third bank, and I got a job as a, as a teller.

So fast forward, five years, 23 years old I was with the bank for about four or five years. My dad called me, this was before cell phones and he said, do you want to give this thing one more chance? And I knew, ultimately it’s to get where I wanted to be in life. I needed that education. I needed that.

You know, to, to get back in to the game of basketball you know, I needed to get my act together a little bit, so sure enough 23 years old, I was finally accepted to John Carolyn. I was playing my first college basketball game as a 23 year old freshmen. And my younger brother was two years younger than I was Matt Moran.

He was he was a senior, so it was kind of confused with you know, his a freshman was older than senior, but I’d tell you, Mike, I tell that story often. I tell it to a lot of recruits because I’m proud of it. I’m extremely proud of where I was and where I become you know, I was fortunate enough to, to meet my wife.

She’s a captain of the cheerleader team and you know, our sophomore junior year, we met them at three young and full young wonderful. And you know, I think God has a plan for Evelyn and God’s plan for me was you know, kind of a different path than most, but I was very fortunate to you know, to be accepted in John Carolyn.

And that’s why I’m forever grateful for the opportunity that the university took a chance on a 23 year old kid like myself.

[00:10:26] Mike Klinzing: How did you stay involved in the game? Very nose, intermittent years when you were working as a bank teller. And obviously you’re not playing on a Scholastic team. So what are you doing to continue to keep your game sharp so that you’re eventually ready for that opportunity, which I’m sure you had no idea was coming when you first started out on that path.

[00:10:44] Pete Moran: No, no. I had no idea. I was actually, I was an assistant coach for my older brother. Who was the head coach at Berkshire? I know I’m confusing you. And then years later I became a head coach at Berkshire, but my older brother, who’s now my current assistant. And he’s the use that coach at Berkshire and after work, after being a bank teller, I’d go and I would coach.

And most of the time he needed me to, to, to kind of play scout offense or scout defense. And I was just playing against you know, a couple of high school kids. And then you know, when it became a realization that I was going to plant John Carola, my brother and I would go to the park and he worked me out all summer long just to get back in shape and get back into swings of things.

And I was very fortunate in my first year to play around a lot of talent as year. We made the final four just play with it with with an abundance of talent you know, and then the rest is history. Truly wasn’t planning on playing at John Carroll longer than a year or two I just tell him, Hey, I’m too old for this.

But you know, in a weird way, I knew that could help my dad win. You know, and I was having some success and I was kinda enjoying it a little bit. So, so one year turned into four years and I’m very proud of you know, the four years I was able to play junket.

[00:12:00] Mike Klinzing: What’s your favorite memory?

Something that sticks out, obviously the opportunity to play for your dad and we can dive into in a second, but is there one thing in particular that stands out about your career? A moment, a game?

[00:12:12] Pete Moran: Yeah. You know what I would have to say playing with my younger brother. It, it was truly special.

We’re very close. My younger brother is a current head coach at lake Catholic high school. You know, having the opportunity to play in the final four with them. It, is it again, it brings chills up my spine. It’s a special moment. Again, like I mentioned earlier you know, my goal or Mike, my career path my basketball ambitions always, always started and ended at John Caroll and, and I, my brother had the same type of mindset as I did.

And I felt for years that maybe I that was our plan. Our plan was to go John Caroll. You know, for my father and you know, because of my my poor academics, I felt like I failed him. I felt like I failed my family and that really to be able to play with him and to be significant contributors on a final four team division three w was something that you know, I’ll live with progress in my life.

[00:13:10] Mike Klinzing: Absolutely. To be able to do it with your brother and be able to do it with your father can’t imagine much that would be much more rewarding, especially since it’s something that you had been dreaming about, thinking about since you were a kid, what was it like playing for your dad in terms of that player, coach, son, father relationship.

How did you guys walk that line? And just, how, how did both of you handle that? What do you remember about it?

[00:13:35] Pete Moran: You know what? My father was a lot easier on me than he was my younger brother. You know, what a. My dad and I, we, we just connected. He never had to say a word to me. We were always on the same page.

You know what it’s a point guard, head coach type a connection where nothing needs to be set. It’s just a simple look. And again, he, he would never bring me in and tell me, oh, son, you had a great game or son, you did that. It was just a look that you would have on his face. And I think that relationship started when we were younger.

I think I remember striping parking lots with them, and I remember we’d have two or three different jobs. And and I knew the only way for us to get home quicker. Okay. After a long Saturday was to think it was to think before my dad asked me to do something, whether it was go grab a candidate.

Well go fill up the gas or fill up the machine with gas. I always kind of knew what he wanted before he asked. And I think you fast forward 20, 30 years later, that kind of translated to the basketball court. You know, we were just always on the same page. I don’t ever recall us butting heads maybe other than the one time I kicked the ball you know, through the Raptor, pissed off about something and he threw me out of practice, but you know, th that happens and it certainly happens, but it, it was phenomenal.

It was a, it was a great relationship. He was a very he embraced the fact that I was a little bit. You know, he, he knew days to push me days to, Hey get people a little slack today maybe take the deal from practice because my body wasn’t as as well taken care of as some of the 18 year olds.

But we just had, it had a connection. My younger brother kinda him and my dad butted heads a little bit more often, but again, those are some experiences that we would never trade anything for.

[00:15:42] Mike Klinzing: As a coach. What is one thing or two things maybe that stand out for you that you learn from your dad.

And you can take that in any direction that you want, something that you learned about coaching from your dad that still influence what you do right now today.

[00:16:02] Pete Moran: It’s hard to work in preparation. I tell you, you know what I think coaches nowadays, they have it so easy. You know, you’re able to pull up synergy and have surgery, break it down, every film for you.

Right. You know, I remember having to go on long bus trips or car trips with my dad to go pick up a VHS or going out scouting when he was at St. Joe’s gaining a van and, and picking up his assistant coach and driving down the camp to watch McKinley plate on a Tuesday night you know, coaches nowadays, they have it easy.

They truly do. You know, but again, I think it’s the work ethic. I think. The work ethic that he instilled in us you know, beyond the game of basketball you know, that, that is one thing that I take away and I pride myself on. Maybe I’ve watched too much film maybe that’s my problem.

You know, the generation that we have coming up there, their attention spans aren’t as long as ours were. Right. I mean, you probably remember those hour long film sessions over at camp,

and some of your buddies falling asleep. Right. You know, in the back row,

[00:17:11] Mike Klinzing: I always say with the VCR, I remember more vividly than anything. Coach’s trying to get to the play that they wanted you to watch and hitting that fast forward and rewind button and skipping like two minutes ahead or two minutes behind and see, you might be in the film session for an hour, but you might have actually watched like four minutes of relevant film during that time.

Yeah. It was a different era. Any coach who never experienced that has no idea how painful that was both as a coach and as a player.

[00:17:39] Pete Moran: Yeah, I think we have it made, so we use synergy and, and I have, if I ever GA transferred to our hudl you know, because I looked to use huddle, I just, I, I like the like how I’m able to navigate through it a little bit easier than synergy.

So what we do now is our film session. You know, w we, we condense them. We make sure that we shorten the clips up on huddle you know, to seven, eight seconds long. So I advise my assistance, my brother, and a coach rule, another staff member has been with our program for awhile.

I advise them that, Hey, you’re not allowed to have a clip that’s longer than eight seconds because these kids they can’t pay attention that long. So we, we put a lot of pride into the film work to answer your question, it’s film markets preparation. It’s outworking. The opponent I remember in high school is probably my fifth game, my coaching career.

And I remember I was coaching against falls and coach Berger at the time. He’s still there. I remember leaving that game. They beat us. I remember he yelled. And I knew that and, and it was something that, that, that really upset me. So I really pride myself, son, pride myself on be prepared and gain our guys as prepared as possible.

And that’s what my father always did as my dad. Wasn’t the best X’s and O’s guy, he wasn’t revenge, the game of basketball. You know, he, wasn’t an innovator he just expected everyone to play hard. He’s probably without a question, the best motivator that I’ve ever been around.

And that’s just not the game of basketball, but, but that’s the game of life as well. He’s a heck of a motivator and you can ask any one of his former players that you know, he, he got the best out of everybody and that’s something I tried to do that you know, I’m still working on early in my career.

[00:19:27] Mike Klinzing: When did you know that? You wanted to coach, was that something that you had in the back of your mind as a kid growing up while you’re playing that someday? I want to follow my dad’s footsteps and be a coach. Or was that something that when did, when did it come to you that you wanted to coach? And so you always knew,

[00:19:47] Pete Moran: I don’t know. I just, that’s the only thing in life that I know is your, that, or it was either that or paying parking lots. And I didn’t enjoy paving parking lot as much as I love going to the gym with my dad and practice you know what I say this jokingly, but sometimes I wish my dad was a doctor because I probably would have followed this suit.

I probably would’ve wanted to the medical field. I don’t know. I just know that that’s all I. You know, and that’s not a cop out or that’s a, that’s a truthful answer. It’s the only thing in the world that I know how to do. And it’s, it’s an incredible passion. It’s something that you know sometimes drives you insane.

You know, for my first year as a head coach, I’m not a big guy to begin with. I at a good day, I weigh 165 pounds. My first year, I, I lost about 14 pounds and I was like, man, this is, this is, this is stressful. But I’d love it. I love the competitive in this. I, I love the relationships that I’ve been able to establish.

I love working with young men. I love building programs. I love the preparation aspect of it. I love everything involved with it. Probably more so than, than I actually love the games. Just the preparation and, and the practice and, and the scouting and you know, interacting with the guys and getting everyone prepared the, the, the game itself.

You know, isn’t the funnest part. It’s everything else that’s involved with it that, and I really enjoyed most

[00:21:22] Mike Klinzing: initially was your thought process, high school coaching? Was it college coaching? Obviously John Carroll was something that was on your mind as a player. And your dad’s there as a head coach.

Were you thinking it leading more towards high school? Were you leaning more towards college? Did you just want to be involved in the game? Where were you at in terms of that?

[00:21:41] Pete Moran: Well, I don’t, I don’t, when I finished playing at John Corral’s at 27 years old, let’s say 26, 27 years old. And you know, a good friend of mine Jason Pecjak was the head coach at Beechwood, which is like two miles from John Carroll.

And I had another victory lap. I had to get my teaching certification. So you know what I was able to coach. And we had some success and I said I thought to myself, I could do this job. You know, so, so the are a job opened and you know, I was there for four years that had you know, some success there.

And I just, it dawned on me that, you know what I didn’t want to be in the classroom anymore. I want him to be a phys ed teacher. And the reason I wanted the phys ed was enabled me to coach basketball. So you know, I had some success in high school and then I remember I remember I called my mom and I said this is my dad.

I think he had these going on your 20. And and he was slowing down a little bit. So I asked my Michael, how long was dad coaching at John Carroll? And she couldn’t give me a straight answer. She didn’t know. So as my desk did, would you mind if I, if I helped you out and it wasn’t about the the paycheck you know, it doesn’t pay much to begin within.

You know, I was able to help him out for, for his last five years and the, the last two or three years, he really he really allowed me to, to do things the way I want it to, and we had success and I think it was then where I’m like, you know what I could coach at this level. You know, it’s going to be hard.

You know, these guys are, these guys are incredible. The, you always see is one of, if not the top division three conferences in the nation all of these guys from, from the, the top team to the bop team, they’re all extremely well coached. You know, I, I just remember thinking that I could do this.

So I went back and got my masters because I knew that was a requirement to obtain the John Carroll job. So I went back and my wife and I, we took loans out you know, my two years before my dad stepped down again, not knowing if it was going to go favorable for him, for me, it’s a university was even going to hire me.

So you know, I went back, I got my master’s, so I could check that box. And I’m going to be honest with you. I spent nine months on my portfolio. I’ve spent nine months preparing for that interview. I truly I wanted that job more than anything in the. It was, I’ve never felt that much joy in my life, than when I walked into Lori Massa the AD at the time, and she told me, Susan offered me the position. I remember I left her office. I went right down to my dad’s office and we cried for about five minutes. It, it was truly it, it was something to if you work that hard and to see all the hard work, pay off, it, it really, everything came in full tuition.

And it was a special moment to, to, to to obtain that position.

[00:24:40] Mike Klinzing: What does that look like? What are you doing in that time? What are you putting together? So that just, again, most people, most coaches out there that are part of the audience probably are going to spend nine months preparing for an interview, but all coaches, at some point in their life, we’re going to prepare for an interview.

So maybe what lessons did you learn from what you did that you could pass along to other coaches that could benefit them as they try to go for their next job?

[00:25:05] Pete Moran: Well, I had a pretty good idea of what, what departments would be a part of the interview process. So basically doing research, number one you know, when the job opened what that interview process looks like.

So that was part of it. You know, knowing that the enrollment would probably be enrollment department would probably have a. I studied the numbers at John Carroll where do they get students from? What percent students come from, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati.

I studied those numbers. You know, I studied the, the individuals that I thought would be a part of the interview process. I, I memorized their backgrounds where they’re from what high school they want to, how many children they had. My portfolio itself was about 70 pages long that, that my wife and I I think we spent about four or 500 bucks.

I’m making sure that every little. Every little piece of literature was, it had zero errors in it. Having it professionally the borders done. I could go down to the budgeting what it’s like to, to budget division three exactly how much needs to be spent and very serious, because I knew that would be a question that would probably.

You know, to saving up enough money to buy a suit you know, then, then my wife my wife was just finishing up her, her PhD and, and she’s in grad school. So we didn’t have all the, all the money you know back then. And you know, I remember going out and buying a hundred dollars suit and it was you know, I remember my wife telling me at the time you, you better get this job and you know, having a tailored again, it was just, it was a passion.

It’s something that I pardon me, wine, the earnings. Right. And I, I didn’t want you know, I didn’t want people to assume that this job was given to me because of my father was so, so I think that was part of my, my. My reasoning for spending so much time in preparing so hard for that, that big interview.

And I didn’t sleep for days leading up to that interview. You know, I was very anxious to say the least.

[00:27:19] Mike Klinzing: Was there anything that surprised you in the interview? Anything that you weren’t prepared for?

[00:27:24] Pete Moran: That’s a good question. Where’d they stumped me. I I’m sure they stumped me with something.

You know, what they did. They, they, they brought in two individuals that, that I was not prepared for. So I was able to steer the conversation away. So I didn’t have to interact with them as much as the other, other departments that were in down the process.

[00:27:44] Mike Klinzing: When you take over for your father, obviously huge shoes to fill.

Obviously you go from transitioning as an assistant to the head coach. You want to I’m sure. Put your stamp your imprint on. And you probably had some slightly different things that you may have wanted to do different from what your father had done previously, but yet you don’t want to step on his toes.

So how did you go about making the transition from your dad who had been there for 25 years to his son taking over the program? It seems like there’s a pretty fine line that you have to walk there to put your stamp on it, and yet still honor your dad’s legacy. So what do you remember about that? Let’s say the first three months on the job trying to navigate, Hey, I’m no longer sitting off to the side now I’m taking over the office.

That used to be my dad’s.

[00:28:39] Pete Moran: Well, a week after I got the job, they threw his name on the court. So that was just some added pressure, obviously. You know what, because the individuals that we had in the program or, or guys at you know, I was a part of the recruit process and, and built relationships with the team it was a very smooth transition, right.

You know, our guys that at the time I was kind of heading all offensive stuff. I was a, as we call it the offensive coordinator. So th there really wasn’t a much of an adjustment when it came to personnel nor would the w with the coaching staff, other than bringing my brother along.

My older brother who was a very successful head coach at Berkshire, and then Madison he’s a teacher and he’s with me now you know, as, as, as kind of our offense coordinator at John Carroll it really wasn’t about me. And I remember my first game we were playing in Buffalo’s Hilbert college.

And you know, obviously I was extremely anxious, extremely nervous, first game, blah, blah, blah. And I thought about for days, what am I going to say to these guys? Right. What am I going to say to the seniors? You know, that they have been a part of a championship team previously. And I was like, I just simply came up with, I had this big speech I was going to check the locker and I was doing screaming and get these guys rubbed up for, for gaming and Hilbert college in front of 25 people.

You know, I was going to change the world that day, but you know, it dawned on me five seconds before I started the speech. It’s not about. You know, it’s about them. And all I said to the guys was guys, this isn’t my legacy to your legacy. You know, let’s go out there and win a basketball game. So I, that first year was, was such a special moment, a special year for you know, not only myself, but my family my siblings you know, we were able to win the conference championship make the sweet 16 when the OAC championship on our home court in front of a sold out crowd that special some of my fondest memories growing up you know, my, my best memories growing up had been John Carroll university’s gym.

And you know, that was one of them, that I will forever remember.

[00:30:58] Mike Klinzing: What were the conversations like with your dad during that first season?

[00:31:03] Pete Moran: He’s a tough critic. There’s times where you know you know, we’re on the bus and he either calls myself or, or one of our assistants and we go, okay, who’s going to take this phone call. You know, when our Lucy, he always seems to, to add his 2 cents. And sometimes you know, I’d say dad relax a little bit, but that first year  he was loving it.

He really enjoyed it. He traveled with us. He didn’t come to practices. He didn’t do any film work. Although I did notice that he was watching our huddle a lot and it’s a home secretly and he would always kind of come in and say, yeah this team runs a little bit of the high, low, I know dad.

I know he, so he would check in to make sure I was doing my homework. So you know, he’s still does that time to time. I just spoke to him about an hour ago. And we were talking about team. We play in next week and he already did a research on the head coach and he knows his entire bio.

So I know, I know dad, I’ve, I’ve read about him too. I know he likes to do X, Y, and Z. So you know, he has his little moments like that, but. You know, that first year he was he was great. He, he loved it. He you know he attended most, if not all the games got him out of the house a little bit too.

So he, he was, it was special. He enjoyed it

[00:32:19] Mike Klinzing: As a head coach. When do you feel like you had a real solid handle on your philosophy, offensively and defensively? Do you feel like it was pretty well shaped when you got the job or do you feel like it’s sort of morphed and changed a little bit as you understood exactly what you had and what you wanted to do?

[00:32:42] Pete Moran: Well, the, the game had to this, that the game has changed drastically. So the last three, I’m the seat three years. And it not only has it changed, but, but, but you know, the individuals have changed. You know what they’re different the, the, these, these kids coming up are, are a lot different than individuals 3, 4, 5, 10 years ago.

So, so the way you coach and the way you communicate has changed you know, X’s, and O’s obviously ball screening is, is everything you know to collegian level, at least in the, the OAC that that’s a big part of it. Whereas five years ago, or six years ago, when, when I was kind of the offensive coordinator under my dad, I don’t remember working on ball screening defense more than once or twice a week.

Nowadays, you got to do it two or three times a practice. And not only do you have to master one way of doing it, you got to master three or four different ways of, of defending ball screens. So it’s really, it’s transformed. And I think the state of basketball is. Is in a, a different place now. And I don’t think we’re going to know for a few years, whether it’s in a better place, but, but I know it’s changing and I know coaches have to change the way they communicate and how they prepare and how they, how they coach or else they’re going to be left in the dust a little bit.

And you know, I think we’re going through a little bit that transformation right now. You know, we’re not doing the five and five out, like you know, my father did, and I did that first year. You know, things are just a little bit different right now. So you know, I don’t know if that kind of answers your question, but I think you gotta be able to evolve.

You gotta be willing to change. And I think the most successful coaches are able to do that.

[00:34:32] Mike Klinzing: Absolutely. To go along with that. When you think about how you grow and improve as a coach, where do you go? What you’re trying to learn about the game, are you watching. Other coaches at the college level, are you watching European basketball?

Are you w where are you going to try to learn things about the game to help you and your team to improve?

[00:34:56] Pete Moran: I mean, college basketball why I, years ago I didn’t watch much of the college basketball, but I’m a big college basketball fan now, even the NBA little bit although I don’t get that calf station because of YouTube TV, but like, for example, I I’ve watched the young sound state tonight.

My nephew Luke Chicone. He’s a freshman there and he’s playing about 27 minutes for Jared Calhoun over at Youngstown state. So I’ve been watching them a lot and some of the things they do all offensively but also defensive things you’ve got the pack line defense nowadays, that, that seems like a lot of teams are running.

So I think I just go to people or go to programs where I watch games you know I think that’s where it starts. I think watching your, your peers, I, I’m a big division three basketball fan, so you’ll see me to, you know any given night I’m on my phone pulling up a game or two kind of watching that while their kids are up screaming in the background, but division three, basketball is my pride and joy.

And, and again, I, I really enjoy watching some of the guys in our conference you know, Mike through my mounts and, and coach Goodwin at capital you know, these are guys you know, John VanderWal. I can go down the list. Travis Schwab, Tommy Heil at BW.

Those guys I’ve really watched their stopping. It’s a special connection. It’s a special bond that the OEC coaches have. And that’s what I think makes our conference if not one of the best division three conferences in the nation.

[00:36:28] Mike Klinzing: So obviously you’re competing with all those guys. On the basketball court, but you’re also competing in a lot ways with them in terms of recruiting.

So how do you approach recruiting? What’s your thought process in terms of how you put together your initial list of players that you want to go out and check out, and then how do you begin to narrow that down and really make your pitch to get guys to come and be a part of your program there at Carroll?

[00:36:53] Pete Moran: Oh the list starts as kids, their junior year you know, w w w we throw it on a spreadsheet and then after their junior year we probably make about 60, 70 phone calls you know, to, to various high school athletes. And a lot of the times we just kind of have little informal conversations with them.

And the, the number one thing that we ask are, how are your academics? What are you looking to study. You know, before we talk about points per game and all that other stuff, I think the most important component, or at least a component is, is what they want to study. Right. You know, I advise young men you know, go to an institution that has what you want.

Right. You know, if, if you want to be a, if you want to get into business, well we got probably second best business school in stable Heil, the 16th best business school in the country. You know, if you’re looking to, to go into something nursing, well, we don’t have nursing. So you should probably find another institution.

So it starts very early on our recruiting process. And we heard the word business and we are young men that, that, that have a 3.5 are isolated because we know we have a chance with them. We know that we have something that we could sell them and beyond. You know, too many people. And again, I I’m, I, I firmly believe this too many young men make the mistake by going to institutions that don’t have what they want academically.

You know, they, they choose four years. You know what, when they could come to John Carroll and make a decision, that’s going to benefit them for 40 years what works certainly blessed to be one of the highest academic institution in our conference. We’re very proud of that. So we recruit young men that are high achievers, right?

You’re a high achiever. You show me a young man. That’s a high achiever in the classroom. They’re probably going to be a high achiever on the basketball court. So that’s the number one thing we look for is, is their academic. And that’s most important. So it’s a screening process. So we started list 60, 70 individuals.

And probably right now, we’re at about eight or nine. You know, that’s about all that we’re targeting. And then, you know what we probably tent, we bring in roughly four to five individuals a year. We don’t have a JV program. Like a lot of division three schools do. And a lot of division three schools do not advertise that they have GB programs.

You know, we don’t have a quota. I’m not told by my boss that I had to bring in 12 individuals or 15 individuals because our enrollment is doing well. So we’re very blessed to, I think our university sells itself. Really it’s really about the student athlete. And I know coaches probably get on here and say that, but you know, you look at what our alumni are doing and that’s what I tell you.

No recruits look at what our alumni are doing. You know, we’re, we’re pretty we, we have a lot of success. We have a lot of notoriety, not just in Cleveland area, but the whole Midwest and, and that’s, that’s our pitch. Our pitch is very simple. You come to John Carroll, number one for the academics.

Okay. You come here because we have what you want. Number two, you come here for the social component, right? This all the time, college is supposed to be the best four years of your life. If you love a beautiful campus, a 0.3 miles from downtown Cleveland, with big brick buildings we’re the place for you.

And then the last thing is the basket. You know, we’re, we’re one of the most successful division three schools in the country. I think we have more wins, more championships and just about anyone in the OAC over last 30 years. And we’re very proud of that tradition. You know, that’s who we are. We’re not changing our pitch.

We are who we are and we know our niche and we’re gonna naturally you, you gravitate and you get the right kids. If you continue to have the same pitch, we never talk about other institutions. We kind of have a bond. Most of the coaches in the OAC that we don’t talk about other programs that we don’t do the negative recruiting all we focus, the focus on is ourselves, our institution and what we have to offer

[00:41:10] Mike Klinzing: When you’re evaluating your kids.

How do you balance watching the player in their high school setting versus their AAU setting? And then how do you build relationships both with high school coaches and with AAU coaches so that you have those types of connections with.

[00:41:28] Pete Moran: I think the very weak it’s hard. I think that’s probably the hardest part because we’ve seen kids, we probably gone to 6, 7, 8 new games and probably seem 17 at their high school games, but you really don’t know what you have until they’re on your court and you’re coaching them for seven straight days, you know?

And then you’re able to see what they do well, what are some things they need to work on? As far as relationships, again, high school basketball and AAU is so different. You know, it’s like high school basketball there there’s I don’t know what the average life span for high school coaches are nowadays.

You know, the good old days you’d have a coach that was at a school for 20, 30 years. And you just know him because you see him at you know, the, the, the, the, the local pub you know, or, or you know, coaching clinic now every other year there seems like there’s new coaches. So something, something that we’re starting to do is do coaching clinics free coaching clinics, or for coaches in Northeast, Ohio for, they can, they can come and we can build relationships.

You know, we offer prospects. You know you know, a true prospect camp. It’s not just a make a couple of bucks it’s to truly evaluate you know, local talent and individuals that we’re recruiting. But like you said, it’s, it’s all about relationships. It’s building a connection. You know, my, my father always told us and he was just honest, me and my brother the other day you know, about the recruiting process.

And, and he says, you have to find the connection with the young man. Does his grandmother or his grandfather go, John Carroll is this high school coach. And alum is this English teacher, John Carol grad. You always got to find that connection. That’s what we try to do you know, to, to build a relationship with the coach and with the student athlete,

[00:43:20] Mike Klinzing: Once you get a player on campus and you bring them in as part of your program, how do you go about.

Building the competitiveness into your team. Obviously you recruit competitiveness. You want to bring competitive kids in, who are going to compete, and that should be a character trait that you want them to have, but going above and beyond that, obviously you want them, once they’re in your practice setting, you want them to compete and push each other.

And yet that there’s going to be some kids that inevitably are going to get to play as much as they would like to play. So how do you continue to stope the players, competitive fire? Are there any things that you do within your practice setting that again, maybe another coach could take away as they’re trying to figure out, Hey, how can I make my practices more competitive?

[00:44:05] Pete Moran: Oh,  Yes. That question because we just kind of had a little, a little conversation with our team about competing. Every day. What we try to do is we try to make every drill competition, right? It could be a simple free-throw drill it could be any drill. We try our darndest to, to make it competitive.

And what you do there is you find that the, the, the guys that want to compete that want to play, you know everybody wants to play, but who really wants to play. And I think that’s where you find out the evaluation process starts in practice. Whereas I don’t, I don’t know if individuals understand that you know, when they get to the next level, because like you mentioned, all of these, everyone that plays college basketball is probably the top guy at their high school, if not one or two.

And then they make that transformation to college level and they really don’t understand what it takes to complete. What it takes to play hard you know, at our level. So trying to instill that in them takes time. It really does. It takes time to, to build that competitiveness. But eventually it happens.

And again, I think that comes with the, the, the strength aspect of it, the confidence you know, once, once once they build a little bit competency, tend to play a little bit harder, but you know, like I said, well, we try to do is make everything competitive. And ultimately I think that makes for better practice.

And it pushes everybody in your program to compete every single day and make it ultimately makes you a better basketball.

[00:45:50] Mike Klinzing: Do you chart wins and losses, or keep track of certain statistics within practice that you then can go back and use with the player and say, Hey, we’re looking at like, we’re charting gait, whether it’s deflections and steals or we’re charting charges, or we’re keeping track of three-point percentage every day or we’re whatever we go three on three, we’re always keeping track of wins and losses.

Do you do any of that?

[00:46:13] Pete Moran: No, no. Maybe that’s from my father, we’re not full of analytics. You know, it you lose a drill, you do five pushups. You know, we tell guys that, Hey if you’re not shooting the ball well, or you you’re struggling from the. You know, you got to go get in the gym and work on that craft on your own.

You know, we don’t have we don’t have seven hours a day. Like you know, some of the division one schools have we’re we get two or three kids that come late every day because of class. Or we have one guy that has to leave 10 minutes early because he has a night class. You know, so we don’t have that like I said, six, seven hour window where we can waste time.

I shouldn’t say waste time, but we’ll work on free throw shooting. Yeah. You know, w we put guys on the line periodically throughout the practice, pressure situations, all that stuff. But you know, if you’re struggling to shoot the ball, if you’re struggling to make. Hey, you got the fun time on your own. It’s your button, the gym after practice, wake up a little bit early, earlier in the day.

It can get your butt in there. You know, because that’s what it’s about. It’s about wanting to do it. You know, if you’re not going to do it, then, then ultimately you’re not going to get the meds you want. And, and for guys that come in and ask about minutes and everybody wants to play, right. It’s, it’s very simple.

Here’s what I tell her buddy. Okay. In open gym let, let’s go back to like, when you were playing where’d you go high school. Strong. Okay. So you’re having an open gym right before basketball starts and back then, there’s how many kids were in the gym from freshmen, freshmen to seniors.

[00:47:51] Mike Klinzing: That was probably, that was probably a lot 50,

[00:47:53] Pete Moran: 60.

And let’s say hypothetically, there’s one court and your captain and you got another, your senior and you’ve got another senior. Who’s a captain. Are you taking the, the 12th man on the freshman team with your first pick? Absolutely not. And why not?

[00:48:11] Mike Klinzing: You want to win. You want to stay on the floor and that’s something that kids don’t, they don’t, they don’t understand that.

[00:48:16] Pete Moran: Yeah. So if someone comes in and they say, coach, where do I get? You know, why aren’t I playing? I say, listen, when you guys were playing open gym, where were you picked in open gyms? You know, when that game was tied and you need a basket. W w where are you getting the ball? You know, it’s as simple as that you know, I think that kind of puts, puts things in perspective for, for individuals when they start comparing themselves to others, right.

You know, people don’t want to lose, right. If you lose in that open gym, like you may sit out for 20, 30 minutes,

[00:48:51] Mike Klinzing: but that culture is gone. That, that culture is God Pete. I mean, isn’t, it, it could be because kids don’t play pickup basketball the same way you did, or the same way I did. It’s just not the same.

Like you mentioned rarely earlier when you were talking about your time as a player that you played against older guys, you’re playing here and there and these different places. And this is something that we’ve talked about on the podcasts a lot. But I think that, that, that idea of stacking up against other guys, like, look, I I got next and I’m looking down the road, Seven or eight guys that are sitting over here on the sideline.

And yeah, I know who I want to pick. Who’s going to help me to win because I want to keep playing. And I think kids today, they don’t always get, like, to me, that’s instant feedback. Like there’s, it’s, it’s cut dry. Like people aren’t picking you because they don’t like you or they like you or your dad is this person.

Or this guy complained to the coach, like when you’re playing pickup basketball, like I’m only picking you because I think you can help me win. And that’s it. There’s, there’s no other criteria. And I think that that’s something that a lot of times is lost and I’m sure that it’s a challenge. And it’s funny to me that you have to, you have to remind kids of, Hey, think about what was going to think about what was going on because it’s, it’s just that culture is not here anymore.

[00:50:03] Pete Moran: Yeah. Yeah. I always twisted to, I follow up by saying you don’t have to prove yourself to me, prove yourself to the coaching staff. You got to prove yourself to your peers first. Right? You got to earn their trust before you were an arch. You know, maybe, maybe the, maybe by spinning it that way to them, maybe, maybe they’d comprehend it a little bit better because you’re right.

You know, this generation is a little bit different than, than what we grew up in, but you know, it’s their peer something that they can play I think it’s, it’s, it’s that cut and dry sometimes, but I don’t know. You’re right though. You’re right. There’s a little bit different of a generation, but yeah, those are conversations that, that we have periodically.

And again, I, I think collectively guys started understanding, you know You know, and again, I’m talking about the 19 20th man, our team that might need that reminder, not necessarily, or our eighth or ninth, man, that’s just trying to crack that top line up. Those conversations. Aren’t really had all that often.

[00:51:03] Mike Klinzing: How do you keep those kids who aren’t getting the minutes that they want? How do you make sure that you keep them engaged and have those conversations with them and get them to understand that maybe their time isn’t today, especially if you’re thinking about a kid who’s new, who’s a freshman comes in, they’re trying to adjust to college basketball and they’re not playing as much as they would.

Like, how do you, what kind of conversations do you have with those players to make sure that they’re going to continue to put forth their best effort to again, help prepare the rest of your team for the games that you have on your schedule, but just to also keep their spirits up so that they’re not dragging everybody else down.

[00:51:37] Pete Moran: Probably, well, those are a lot of conversations, right? You know, those are frequent conversations. You know, that we have that we know there’s talent there. It’s just not right for our level. You know, I, I think film, right, we do a lot of film. We film our practices and we show them what they need to do.

We show them previous film you know, the teams that we added a year or two ago and how we defend certain things and, and what it takes to win and what it takes to, to, to get something accomplished, whether it’s all screening deepens or you know, pressure or various things that we do on the offensive then you know, we showed that to them so they understand Those are a lot of conversations that I think it’s, it’s drawn off past experiences and saying, okay, look at this young man you know, his first year he struggled, he struggled to get the minutes, but, but you gotta be patient.

You gotta wait your turn. And again, it’s reiterating that it’s, it’s constant reminders be patient, your time’s coming. It’s having those conversations pretty regularly to keep them motivated, but also tell them that, Hey, you know what, you’re always one sprained ankle away from being thrown in the fire.

You gotta be running. It’s like a backup quarterback. You never know when that quarterback is going to get that hit and you better be ready to go when your number’s called, because that’s going to be an opportunity to, especially early on in someone’s college career that you know, you got to seize that moment and be prepared for

[00:53:09] Mike Klinzing: How do you develop the leaders in your program from a player standpoint, how do you provide opportunities for your players to grow and lead their teammates? Are those things that you specifically do to try to encourage leadership? Just how do you go about growing your players as leaders?

[00:53:28] Pete Moran:  I think put them put them in positions to make decisions w we’ll come up, we’ll come out of a time out or in a timeout and, and I’ll leave towards some, some upperclassmen say, what do you guys see on see out there at halftime some of the upperclassmen and the younger, the younger guys see that you know, they, they, they see the way I interact with w with some of the upperclassmen guys that have been through battles and been through some wars and won games at a very high level.

You know, as far as the, the vocal leadership. It’s, it’s bringing individuals in and saying, Hey, I mean more out of you as a vocal leader. I, I think the best leaders are always the ones that lead by example still you could be a rod, rod, rod, rod guy, but at the end of the day, if you’re not producing, if you’re not in that gym every single day I, I question whether or not you’re a leader.

We have a young man that is named Jackson Sartain. He’s shattered every division three, three point record known to man in about three and a half years. Okay. You know, this kid hasn’t said more than five words publicly to our team in the five years that he’s been with us. Well, four years last year, really wasn’t basketball.

So, but this young man, he all works. Everybody. He’s his workout regimen and I’m not lying. When I say this, he makes 1,003 pointers a day in the summer and that’s. It takes 1,003. He makes a thousand threes every summer. And everybody knows that. And he’s not on social media posting saying he’s grinding it, or he’s not telling everybody or anything of that nature.

He just outworks everybody. So, so he is a leader I wish he was a little bit more vocal put you know, our younger guy, see what it takes and, and he’s only probably six foot he’s probably not the quickest kid in the world, but he’s mastered a craft. Unlike anyone I’ve ever seen in my 30, some years of being around the game of basketball.

And I don’t think I’ll ever see an individual like this come through division three ever again. It’s just that incredible. And it’s, it’s from his work ethic.

[00:55:43] Mike Klinzing: Yeah. That work ethic. It’s hard to replace that. And I think no matter what level. You are, I think, as a coach, one of the things that is always the most satisfying is when you see a kid get as close to their potential as they possibly can.

I think as coaches, one of the things that’s most frustrating is when you have a player who has a lot of talent, but doesn’t maximize that talent with a great work ethic. And I think when you have a player that can obviously succeed the way Jackson has, but also could set an example for your other players of like, look he’s, he’s maybe not that much better of an athlete than you.

It’s just that look, he’s making a thousand shots a day. You want to be that good. You got to get, you got to get in the gym and you got to do that. That’s really ultimately what it takes is just developing that type of work ethic, developing that type of determination for a player to want to be that good.

When you think about. Being able to put together the type of team that you want to put out on the floor. And you think about what your teams are known for. If somebody comes into your gym and watches your team play, what do you hope? They walk away from a John Carroll game saying, man, that team is really what, what do you want them to say?

[00:57:00] Pete Moran: I hope they say John Carroll plays hard. Well, we’re, we’re, we’re not blessed with, with, with the seven footers nor are we, do we have guys that can jump a back board? You know, we don’t have guys that can go three rounds with Mike Tyson, we have young men that come to our institution you know, because they, they love the game of basketball and, and they, they want to play it, but they also want to be successful in life.

You know, so, so for able, if someone’s able to leave our game and, or leave our practice and say, you know what they play hard, that’s probably the best compliment you can give, give, give, give our team. And our staff is that we play hard. We’re very prideful that in the preseason, we probably, at least once a week, I know I watch our practice and and I highlight throughout the practice, every opportunity someone took a possession off it could be something as simple as taking the ball out of bounds and just casually walking, or it could be a stunt on a free-throw or it could be that point guard who’s you know, who stayed at half-court his hands on his hips during a Frito situation.

Again, we dissect the situation. You know, probably too much, but we’re proud of that. W we know that that, that, that we’re going to have to find ways to win basketball games. And it’s not always going to be because we have the most talent what’s because we play harder. And you know, I think we got a nice group this year, although we’re on a little bit of a pause because of the COVID outbreak, but we were a young team that they’re just learning what it takes to play and compete at our level and their understanding.

They’re, they’re showing, you know some bright spots, some bright moments of playing the game extremely hard. And, and that’s something really exciting to look forward to in the future.

[00:58:57] Mike Klinzing: When you think about. Your staff, and obviously you have your brother on your staff and you think about managing them as a head coach, delegating responsibility.

How do you divide that up? I know you mentioned earlier that at one point you were the office coordinator for your dad, and you just think about how there’s lots of different ways, obviously that you can organize and put together your staff and their responsibilities. So how do you, what’s your philosophy?

How do you approach that?

[00:59:24] Pete Moran: Well, we all of our staff members are John Carroll grads. You know, obviously my brother, he runs the offense myself and Spencer Roule has been with the program 12 years. He’s a John Carroll grade as well. Him and I do the defense you know, coach O’Brien Frank O’Brian who’s, he’s the old guy of the bunch she’s been at the program close to 18 years.

He’s a high school coach for 30, 40 years. You know, he kind of does our special situations. The, the thing is what makes these guys so special? Mike be very honest and transparent. They’re not doing it for the paycheck. These guys, or these guys are they’re, they’re losing money just to drive to the office.

I just talked to one of the one of my coaches and you know, what the thing is, they all have other jobs. Spencer for example, was in Toledo. You went to two different games tonight, tonight. You know, that’s hard work, that’s dedication you know, our, our staff, they, they, that I’m blessed. I, I know every coach says it, but you know, these are, these are some of my best friends you know, that I’ve known for a very, very long time.

So you know, we get along very, very well. But you know, to, to have alumni you know, that do it you know, they do it because they love it and they want to give back to such a great university. I think really tells it that the whole story of who we are and what we’re about here at John Carroll.

[01:00:47] Mike Klinzing: Alright. Before we wrap up, I want to give you a chance, Pete, to answer one final two-part question. And the first part of it is when you look ahead over the next year or two. What do you see as your biggest challenge moving forward? And then number two, when you get up every day in the morning, what’s your biggest joy about what you get to do as the head men’s basketball coach at John Carroll?

[01:01:11] Pete Moran: So my biggest joy start with that. One, my biggest joy coach at John Carroll university,

I guess every morning when I walk into work, I get to sit at the same desk. My dad sat after 25 years to be able to see my, my, my two boys, my eight year old, six year old, and my four year old daughter come to the game and, and be the ball boys and ball girl for our team is special. Right. It’s only a game of basketball, Mike you know, these are, these are memories that you know, I’m creating from my family that, that will last a lifetime memories that I talked about early on in this conversation.

Now the first part is biggest challenge. I see for next to. I think just you know, try new navigate through this pandemic. You know, I think that goes beyond just you know, shutdowns and cancellations and, and these forfeits or whatever the heck’s going on. It’s, it’s, it’s the mental part of it.

You know, these high school kids and, and these younger people, I don’t think we we’ve seen the full effect of, of what the virtual learning has caused. You know, and I think there’s a mental component of it that anyone in a leadership role or anyone that’s coaching, it has an extra responsibility that maybe, maybe coaches didn’t have four or five years ago.

You know, th there’s a mental component of it that, that, that we’re going to have to be there for for, for our student athletes now more than ever because you know, the, the world’s has changed so drastically. So I, I think that’s probably the biggest challenge is just navigating through you know, this pandemic and, and the aftermath of everything that’s brought forth.

[01:02:58] Mike Klinzing: Absolutely. We I don’t think anybody, first of all, I don’t think anybody ever would have in a million years, seen it coming. And then the fact that it’s lasted this long, and we’re now seemingly back towards you know, these, these outcomes that where I think we at least thought we were going to have a relatively normal season this year, back in September, October, and now who knows what’s going to happen from this point forward.

So certainly that’s a challenge for all. Pete cannot. Thank you enough for taking the time out of your schedule tonight. Before we wrap up, I want to give you a chance to talk to people, find out more about your you and your program. How can they connect with you? And then after you share that I’ll jump back in and wrap things up

[01:03:33] Pete Moran: Our gym’s always open. It’s open, we would love for any high school coach college coach you know, to come watch a practice. We’ll get you ready after. What a practice plan ready for you? A bottle of water maybe some pizza really encourage you know, anyone that wants to come out, pick up the phone give me a call 2 1 6 – 3 9 7 – 4 5 1 1, or send me an email pMoran07@jcu.edu.

Again, we actually, I really enjoy coaches coming out because you know, it’s a weird way. It gives me a little extra cut in my step every day, that added motivation to, to make sure I don’t disappoint anyone for making a trip out to University Heights, Ohio

[01:04:14] Mike Klinzing: Pete, I cannot thank you enough for taking the time again.

We really appreciate it. And to everyone out there, thanks for listening. And we will catch you on our next episode.  Thanks.