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Trey Morin is entering his first season as the Boys’ Basketball Program Director and Head Coach at St. Andrew’s School in Austin, Texas.
Morin was previously the Head Boys Basketball Coach at the Phelps School in Malvern, Pennsylvania. During his two seasons 15 of his seniors went on to play collegiate basketball at various levels. Prior to his time at Phelps, Morin served as an assistant coach at Bates College in the prestigious NESCAC conference, arguably the best combination of athletics and academics in the country.
Morin has also served as an assistant coach at Colby-Sawyer College and Bradford Christian Academy.
Trey played four years of varsity basketball at Salem State in Salem, Mass. and was team captain as a senior.
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What We Discuss with Trey Morin
- How Michael Jordan and Space Jam touched off his love for basketball
- Getting serious about the game in 8th grade
- The community support in high school basketball
- His recruitment to Salem State and the factors he based his decision on
- The adjustment to college as a student and as a basketball player
- His mindset when he didn’t play as much as he had hoped
- Asking his Dad as a young kid if Coach K got paid to coach basketball
- Why he majored in political science when he he wanted to go into coaching
- “Coaching is about helping these kids get to where they want to get to.”
- What he learned being a GA at Merrimack College in the Athletic Department
- The qualities that make for a good assistant coach
- “If you’re just not going to listen and not do what we’re trying to do to get us to win. Then we’ll just go get somebody who will do those things.”
- Playing hard is a skill
- How to determine if a recruit is a good fit for your program
- Watching parents in the stands while recruiting
- The younger you can start with players the better off your program will be
- Why warm-ups are important to him and what makes for a good team warm-up routine
- Explaining the Why to players
- Building a regular practice structure
- Teaching decision making in practice both on the court and through film
- How he watches, breaks down, and uses film to help his team and players improve
- Why he plays primarily zone defense with his teams
- “Slow mind. Slow feet.”
- How he’ll define success this coming season
- Why the St. Andrew’s job is such a great opportunity both for him and his girlfriend who is the head field hockey coach
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TRANSCRIPT FOR TREY MORIN – ST. ANDREW’S (TX) SCHOOL BOYS’ BASKETBALL HEAD COACH – EPISODE 519
[00:00:00] Mike Klinzing: [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to the Hoop Heads Podcast. It’s Mike Klinzing here with my co-host Jason Sunkle tonight, and we are pleased to welcome Trey Morin head coach at St. Andrew’s School in Austin, Texas to the Hoop Heads Pod. We have hooked up in person at Snow Valley. It is great to have you on the podcast at long last we’re probably two years overdue Trey, but welcome!
Trey Morin: [00:00:21] Thanks guys. I’m super excited to do this. I’m a long time listener first time caller. So I’m excited to get this going
Mike Klinzing: [00:00:30] We are going to dive into all the things that you’ve been able to do in the game. Work our way up to you getting a new job at St. Andrew’s talk about what you’re planning to do to build the program.
There let’s go back in time to when you were a kid, tell us about your first experiences with the game of basketball. What are some of your earliest memories?
Trey Morin: [00:00:50] You know, like a lot of, a lot of young kids my age, I think the first thing I kind of really remember and resonates with me is space jam. I probably watched [00:01:00] space jam a hundred times on loop.
You know, re-enact in the intro and stuff in my in my living room and I love Michael Jordan and I love Patrick Ewing and I just, I it’s something that really got me into it.
Jason Sunkle: I watched like 20 minutes of it, man. And I was like, you know what? This is not for me. I’m sure the kids love it.
Trey Morin: I love the LeBron, but I just, I couldn’t get behind. I didn’t get more than 20 minutes either
Jason Sunkle: [00:01:24] So we’re in the same company, the Warner brothers pitch. And I was like, I don’t know, man. I don’t know if this is for me,
Mike Klinzing: [00:01:31] tell you Trey, this might be the earliest Jason has ever jumped in. I have to say since COVID started, so you went right, you went right to the heart of what gets him going.
So he’s been taught, telling me about space jam too. I’ll be. I, I love Michael Jordan. I have never watched the original space jam. I’ve never watched it. And Jason’s been talking about this version of space jam for, it feels like 10 years. He’s been telling me how great it’s going to be. And when it’s going to come out and the trailer and this and that, [00:02:00] and he never said it was going to be great.
Jason Sunkle: I never said it was gonna be great. I here for a long time, I’ve been saying that everything LeBron’s doing was because of space jam. I said that he was going listen, like you want to go back? I’ve got the tapes. We can go back years when I said we through I, so he’s going to the Los Angeles Lakers.
And he was like, no, why would he go there? I was like, cause he’s going to make that stupid space jam movie.
Mike Klinzing: [00:02:23] And then what happened? You went to the Lakers. You put a lot of, you put a lot of time in on studying the twists and turns in the space jam too. So at any rate, yeah, I could see where anything Michael Jordan related to get you inspired with the game of basketball.
Resonates with me, for sure. Trey, let’s put it that way.
Trey Morin: [00:02:42] Love it.
Mike Klinzing: [00:02:44] All right. So space jam, Michael Jordan, you start getting into the game. When, when did you start to take it more seriously where it became something that you knew you wanted to focus on as a young athlete?
[00:03:00] Trey Morin: [00:03:00] Yeah, I think like a lot of kids too, with, with me growing up, I played three sports and I played baseball, football and basketball until I was probably like in seventh grade and I had a big gross for, I think I went from like 5’8”, 5’9”, to 6’ 4”, 6’ 5”
And you know, I kinda like wasn’t good. I wasn’t, I wasn’t a great athlete growing up. Like I wasn’t one of these kids that was like you pick something up and you’re automatically really good at it. And in seventh grade I tried out for like, we, the way our town system worked was there was a house which is kind of like rec and then there was like the travel.
And I got cut from the travel team at seventh. I didn’t play hard. Like there was a lot of me, I wasn’t very good. But the travel coach was also my wreckly coach. So I had to like see him every day. Right. And you know, he basically told me a lot with my dad. Like, listen, you can let this like derail you, or you can get better.
And that going into my eighth grade year, I really, really, really started to take it serious. I started you know, rework on my shot. I’d watch like Ray Allen shoot and kind of tried to shoot like him in terms of like his mechanics [00:04:00] and stuff. And just really started taking more serious. I started doing it every day because my goal was to be good enough, the way our high school was structured.
We, we were seven through 12. You could be on JV and eighth grade. So my goal was to make JV and eight. And I’m happy to say that happened, so I didn’t have to play travel. Yeah. So like and I grew a little bit, I was 6, 6, 6, 7, and had gotten better and things like that. So it was seventh grade is when I really started to be like, okay, like, I’m not going to do this anymore.
I’m gonna I’m blessed with this size. I’m going to try to make something out.
Mike Klinzing: [00:04:32] What’s your favorite memory from your high school
Trey Morin: [00:04:34] career? So we, we had a very kind of average high school program. It’s not a very big town in Western, Massachusetts, actually the same week that Liz is in. And so you, you had her as a guest, obviously.
So we won the south county championship, which is like our league and that we made it to the Western mass cage, which is like, if you’re from Massachusetts, that’s a pretty big deal. It’s where you’ve asked us to play it’s I guess basically the district semi-finals and finals are there. [00:05:00] So we made it there.
It was a big deal for our town and the whole tap kind of came out and, and that’s, that’s what I remember about.
Mike Klinzing: [00:05:06] I think it’s cool when you do get a community, especially those smaller communities where you get people that the entire town kind of gets behind the team. And you think about what it’s like to play and coach in that environment, even when you’re in a small gym and it’s packed the ability to be able to play or coach and that kind of environment, I think is something that well, none of us have experienced that now, for sure that way, but even normal circumstances, I just don’t think you see, there’s still some pockets, I think, in the country where you’ve got that kind of support for high school sports.
But I think in a lot of places you just don’t see the same level of a community support, like people who are just folks in the community who just show up for games. Cause they like watching the high school team. I think you still get that a little bit with football, but basketball doesn’t feel like you get like that.
And then certainly at least when I think back to my [00:06:00] experiences, especially my experiences as a player and then early in my coaching career, I think about the number of students. That showed up for games and it’s just doesn’t seem like that’s, it just doesn’t seem like it’s that way in as many places as it used to be.
Trey Morin: [00:06:14] Yeah. I mean, it’s funny. So when and this is jumping ahead a little bit, but when I, when we would recruit at a lot of the colleges, I was, I obviously go to a lot of games and primarily at one of my spots, I would co I would go recruit like independents was like, prep will, most people would call it prep school.
Right. And they all have activities during the same time like the baffle games go out. So like, there’s nobody there, right? It’s like a parent, it’s a couple of college coaches, or maybe some faculty or whatever. And then I went to New Jersey public school game and they had crazy, it was crazy in there.
And I remember I’ll never forget this. I walked in and I was like, this is what a high school basketball game is. Like. I mean, the place was packed. It was around Christmas. So like, kids are dressed like Santa Claus. It was a lot, it was great. And I just remembered distinctly BMI. That was kind of the moment [00:07:00] that I was like, I want to go back to high school.
Like this is it. You know,
Mike Klinzing: [00:07:04] it’s are so much fun. Like I said, when you think about playing in front of, or coaching in front of a packed house, and it doesn’t matter if it’s a little tiny gym that seats 600 people, if it’s full and people are banging off the walls and people are climbing on top of each other and just like Santa Claus and all that other crazy stuff that kids will tend to do, it just makes it so much more fun to play and coach in that environment than in the other one that you described, where you basically have some parents and you got maybe one or two teachers and that’s pretty much it.
And we’ve all unfortunately been having to experience that with COVID for the last couple of months. I think about primarily myself as a player. I remember one time we went and played at a tournament in Iona right outside New York city. And I think this was when I was a sophomore, I think. And. We were playing the first game and I [00:08:00] own, it was playing in the second game.
And I own a, had a really tiny gym at that point. And I remember our game. It was like my parents and seriously like four other people in the game, in the gym for that, for that game. And I’m looking around going, is this really a college basketball game? Like, this is just, this is just designed. I mean, I played in front of some other small crowds too.
Don’t get me wrong, but you’re just like, this is like a scrimmage. It’s not even there. There’s more people watching me play at the Y when I go up and pick up games, just people waiting to get in the game. So it’s, it’s funny how. Different places have still are kind of holding on to that tradition of community support and whatever.
And then other places, it seems like it’s gone away just because people have so much other stuff that they can be doing. Kids can you sit on your phone or you got video games or whatever. It just seems like there isn’t that same sense of community that there was in the past, at least not in a lot
Trey Morin: [00:08:54] of places.
Mike Klinzing: [00:08:56] All right. So when you’re [00:09:00] wrapping up your high school career, when does college basketball get on your radar that you’d like to continue playing in your career? At what point do you make the decision that Hey, I’d like to be able to play in college if I can. And then describe a little bit of what your, what you remember of your recruitment, what that was like?
Trey Morin: [00:09:18] Yeah, absolutely. So I think I always had a goal. I think I floated a little bit of varsity as a freshman, but I think my sophomore year I kind of was. The main focus of the team. And that’s actually, when I started to be like, okay, like, I think I can play in college. Like I have a prerequisite, right?
Like I was like six, seven or six, eight. Like I have something that people want. And now I’ll have to do it and be good enough to kind of make it. And I think like a lot of kids, like I wanted to play division one. I wanted to do this. I want to do that. But you know, I’ve always been pretty self-aware like when I was growing up, played baseball, like I knew I was bad at baseball.
I wasn’t like, what did these kids? I was like, oh yeah, I’m going to the big leagues. And I’m like, I’m terrible. I can’t even get a hit a year. So I started to see where certain kids were going in our league and I was like, okay, that kid’s going here. And that [00:10:00] kid’s going there. I think I’m better than that kid, but I’m not as good as that guy.
So like you start to kind of piece yourself out and you’re playing a you. And you know, probably like my recruitment really started picking up my junior year. I was hearing from every different level division one all the way down to division three in some junior colleges. And I kind of was really overwhelmed by the process, to be honest with you.
I didn’t have a lot of guidance. Neither of my parents really knew very much about college. They both went to college for a period of time, but weren’t like there wasn’t the guidance counseling and all this stuff. So I kinda was just instead of taking visits and doing things that other kids were doing, like, I was basically choosing where I could play from the schools that had contacted me and we knew were serious.
You know, I started taking visits and, and things like that. And eventually it got to be. And this was still in the day of like mass mailing from school. So like, I would get letters every day from all these different schools. And I just, eventually it was just like, you know what, like, I really want this to be over with.
Like, I don’t like all this attention. I don’t like them calling me [00:11:00] like, it’s a 40 year old man and me talking to them, like, what are we going to talk about at some point? So I’ve always kind of, you know put that on my back pocket when I’m recruiting in terms of my approach to it. But I decided pretty early.
I think I went to a small school in Salem, Massachusetts to upstate university, which I wanted to go somewhere where they were going to win. Cause I kinda knew like, listen, I’m probably not gonna play overseas. Like let’s just go somewhere where even if I don’t play right away, we’re gonna win.
Cause again, it was very advertisable program. I wanted to be a part of something that we were going to win games and we did that and I thought it was good, but I decided like. September October to go to Salem, which is really, really early for that program, but they’re still getting kids in July at all.
Mike Klinzing: [00:11:41] Absolutely. So did that take a little bit of the edge of the pressure off you as a senior? And you had maybe more of a, I don’t know if enjoyable is the right word, but you just didn’t have all that stuff floating around thinking about it. Did it make your senior year more enjoyable as a high school player?
Trey Morin: [00:11:56] Yeah, I think so. I mean, even as a student, right? Like you go and [00:12:00] like all these kids and you see it today at school, it’s like, you see, it’s like, I’ll use, it’s like a pressure cooker of like where they’re going to go to college. And I knew it was the right place for me at that time in my life.
Like I said, it’s not like I didn’t have options. I think it was just when I got on canvas, I knew that’s where I wanted to be. And I kind of made that decision, but I definitely remember feeling a lot less stressed out. Like I didn’t have to do all the kind of stuff that a lot of the kids have to do.
It took the visits and applications and all that stuff. Like they have to seal them. I’m pretty sure. A half a page essay and just the application. So I was like,
Mike Klinzing: [00:12:34] sold, check it off. Now we’re done. We’re done. Where do I sign? That’s good. That’s a great story. There’s obviously a lesson to be learned there. I think that you mentioned it and I think it’s, it rings true for me as I think back to my time as a player, I think it rings true for most of what you see out there is that kids who are taking the game seriously.
So many of them have that dream of playing division [00:13:00] one basketball. And yet we talked to so many coaches that they really talk about how important it is to find the right fit. And you have to find a place that you’re going to be happy going to school. You got to find a place where you’re going to be happy socially.
You got to find a place that fits your talent level. As you said, you have to be realistic about what your talent level is. And I think that’s getting harder and harder for kids to. Be able to do because of a, just the amount of parents that are involved in it. And then you think about social media and what kids are seeing every day.
I think it’s hard to have the kind of outlook that you had where you’re just like, look, I want to be able to be in a place where you had some clear criteria of what you were looking for at seams, and then you were able to make a clear-headed decision. It sounds like it ended up being a good one. What was your transition like from high school to college?
Both on the basketball floor and just as a student and just going from being at home in high school to be in a way and being, [00:14:00] being at
Trey Morin: [00:14:00] college. Yeah. I mean, I’ll touch on the student thing first. I, I’ve never been the best student in the world. I think I’ll say that. But actually colleges a little bit easier, right?
You have a little bit more free time. There’s a little bit more like subject you’re interested in. I wasn’t being forced to. You know, X, English book that I really could care less about at the time. So I really enjoyed it. I mean, you the, obviously the social aspect of like getting to know people is not the easiest thing in the world.
It was a much bigger school than my high school. My high school had like 300 kids in ad sales state has like 6,000 kids. So it’s a lot bigger. So the, the, the student aspect and the social aspect, I kind of figured it out and I little bit more time to do my work and things like that. And kind of apply myself to Suboxone and it shouldn’t be about basketball.
It’s, it’s always interesting, right? Like almost every conversation I’ve had with potential recruits or kids that we want to bring into our program is like you got to kind of get in where you fit in. And I went from basically playing every minute of every game. I’ve played it since I was a sophomore to.
Not playing at all. Right. [00:15:00] Like I was behind a kid that was a two time all American three time player of the year. Just the, probably if not the best player in program history, definitely in the conversation. You know, and, and just, it was a lot different. I mean, the kids were big, strong, fast. It’s a really good program.
It’s a really proud program. But I was really, I was excited to kind of get behind that and learn and things like that. But the adjustment was tough on the basketball for like the games a lot faster. The guys are I remember my coach saying like all these guys look like you’re now.
So like you have to do something besides be big, right? Like they, they, they’re looking you in the eye. They can, they can move to, they can meet you at the rim too. So I think th that, adjustment’s always tough, but I never, I think to my credit, I never thought about transferring anything like that.
I always, I always wanted to be a part of the program that was going to win. Was it
Mike Klinzing: [00:15:46] that desire to be part of a winning program that enabled you to. Make the mental adjustment and be able to handle the fact that you went from sort of a big fish in a small pond to a small fish in a bigger [00:16:00] pond. Do you think it’s just that you went into it knowing that, Hey, you wanted to win and you were realistic about where you fit in, is that what helped you to be able to accept and adjust and not look for greener pastures and try to think about transferring out?
How do you, how do you remember your mindset at that point, your freshman year?
Trey Morin: [00:16:17] Yeah, I mean, I think you know, through the recruiting process and even when they were watching me, like, I think the staff thought I was gonna play I don’t feel like they were lying to me. I mean, I still have a really good relationship with my college coach.
Like I think it was just I always joke with him, like is probably the biggest Missy Val in his career. Like I think they, they thought I was gonna play and they thought, yeah, cause I’m pretty skilled, a big, I could do a lot of things. It’s just I think that I’m not very athletic. So I think the speed really hurt.
And I, I think I just knew, right. Like when you’re getting just. You know, you can’t go on to do this plane over you and he’s getting triple team in the game and he’s scoring 30. And like, not even really breaking a sweat like that, guy’s probably better than you. So like, why don’t you just do something else in clap?
Right. Like, and I really enjoyed going to school there. I [00:17:00] really enjoyed the team. It’s a very diverse school. I know that’s like kind of a buzzword now, but it’s very, like, it’s really a melting pot of a bunch of different places and a bunch of different people primarily offered Massachusets. I really enjoyed it.
The team atmosphere was great. You know, we were winning. So you know, my mental, like I wanted to play, I worked really hard at practice. I, I actually. I’m pretty sure stopped doing the in-season lift. And it was just like, listen, I’m just going to try to get as strong as I can and kind of started doing my own lift to try and get better.
And I kind of just reverted back to seventh grade, like either you can kind of complain and bury your head in the sand and, and, and moan about not doing this or, or you can make it work. And you know, I tried to make it work as best I could.
Mike Klinzing: [00:17:43] Yeah, absolutely. I think there’s a lesson there that anybody who’s a player out there that’s listening, you could certainly take from that, which is sometimes you get in a situation where it sounds like other than you getting minutes on the basketball floor, it sounds like this was pretty much a perfect scenario [00:18:00] for what you were looking for in an experience as a school.
And as you said, being a part of a winning basketball program, and I think it takes a strong mind to be able to look at that and say, Hey, I can, I can figure out how to make this work. Even though this one piece of what I was hoping to get out. I’m not getting out of it at the moment, but there’s so many other good things around me that I’m figuring out a way to make it work.
And I think so often today, and we can take it all the way down to youth basketball where kids kind of jumped from, oh, it’s not working out here and now I’m going on to the next team or this coach doesn’t treat me right. Or this program is the wrong program for me, even though I just signed up for a two months ago and I’m jumping to this new place.
And I think it would be great if we had more people that would kind of put their head down and realize that, Hey, if I just work hard, that my opportunities are going to come. If I’ve made that if I’ve done my duty due diligence upfront, and it’s not that you never end up in the wrong situation, because obviously that certainly can happen and not telling people they should stay in a [00:19:00] bed in a bad spot.
But I think too many kids today, when you look at the transfer portal and just all the stuff that’s going on, even at the high school level, transferring schools, I think so many people are chasing that green grass on the other side of the fence that they just don’t stop and look at what they already have.
And try to make the best of that situation, which often ends up turning out to be a positive for the people who do stay like it did for you. When you, when you first got to school, Trey, what what’d you want to study? What did you think you were going to do as a career? Kind of, where were you, where was your mindset at there?
Were you thinking coaching when you first went to school? Or where were you at with that? So
Trey Morin: [00:19:33] I, I don’t remember how old I was. I just remember like getting something out of the attic, but my dad and like being like, Hey you know, th this mic just ask you, like, is that his job? Is that what he gets paid to do?
You know, my dad like looking at me and be like, yeah, I was like, he’s a basketball coach. Like he gets paid to do that. And he’s like, yeah. And I was like, all right, well, that’s what I want to do. Right. So probably I met this, I met this guy. This is like such a, a [00:20:00] divine intervention thing. I went to this, like, I was already on any of your team, but I wanted to like, get to work on it.
So I went to this like random workout in Springfield, which is like 45 minutes from my house of another team. And I knew the coach. I was like, Hey, I’m just gonna to come by. Like you might know. And it was this guy who was named Tommy and he instantly kind of drew me in and I was like, this is my God. You know, like this guy’s got juice.
He knows what he’s talking about. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And eventually we developed a relationship probably 14 to 15 and we developed a relationship and I told him, I said, Hey, listen, man, I think, I think I want to do this. I think I want to coach and. Fortunate enough for me, he kind of just liked me for whatever reason.
Right. And just kind of took me under my wing under his wing. Sorry. It was like this is kind of the steps you need to take. These are you know, how people kind of break into this, but you gotta know, you gotta set yourself up, dude. Like you ain’t going to make any money for the first five or six years that you do this.
He’s like, you’re naming Pitino. You know, like you ain’t going to [00:21:00] do that. So you got to try to figure it out, set yourself up. So I always knew I wanted a coach to answer your first thing. I think from the time I was probably seven or eight I always knew that. And then the second kind of cabinet of why I wanted to study what I studied was pizza Nalla who used to be the head coach at a fairly difference for the women.
I was an assistant at Seanol he’s from the town. I went to high school and he told me, I asked him, I said, what do coaches usually say. He goes, whatever, you can get a job after you get fired doing so I was like, all right. So I walked into like the advisor for freshman year. I was like, I want to coach, but I got to get something that if I get fired, I can do.
And so I ended up studying political science cause she was like, this is pretty broad. You know, and it gives you a lot of different avenues in you’re crazy for wanting to be a basketball coach, but you know, I really enjoyed it and I I’ve been, I’ve been really lucky. I’ve had a lot of older heads around me.
They’ve really kind of helped me through this as most successful young coaches have. So,
Mike Klinzing: [00:21:55] so as you’re growing up and you’re playing, did you [00:22:00] consciously think about, and sort of watch and observe your coaches, the coaches you played for to kind of get a feel for what coaching was all about? In other words, were you kind of watching the game?
Not only through the eyes of a player. But will you starting to think about it at all through the eyes of a coach or did that not really fully happen until after your playing career
Trey Morin: [00:22:21] was over? I think so through high school, I was just worried about getting buckets, like, you know what I mean?
I just want to score every time I touch it. So even though I’m, I’m probably I’ve morphed into a much more of like, you know catch it to pass. It kind of got you know, through high school. I did, I did off the floor I guess is the best way to put it. I watched a big Monday. I watched big, tall Tuesday or whatever they call.
I, I watch a lot of basketball. I think that’s something that’s really helped me is I listen to the announcers. I let you know, I just try to soak in as much as I could. And then honestly, like when I got to college and it wasn’t playing a lot, like I tried to add value wherever. Right. So if I saw something like, I always [00:23:00] tried to help the people that were planning ahead of me especially when I was young and sometimes it lists to me, sometimes it wouldn’t, but you know, I’d always be kind of talking to some of the seniors on the bench about what they see and things like that.
So, so probably 50, 50, definitely once I got to college. Cause I I kinda knew I started coaching AAU and I, my freshman year of college and started kind of see the game through that lens. But you’re always, I mean, if you’re into it, you’re always trying to figure out how to, how to get a leg up on it.
Mike Klinzing: [00:23:24] Absolutely. So what were your AAU, what were those first coaching experiences like an AAU for you? What did, what did you like about it instantaneously? Cause before it had kind of been a, sort of a nebulous idea where you’re playing and you’re like, Hey, I’d like to be a coach someday, but now once you actually start coaching, what’s an aspect of it that you really enjoy watching the game.
Trey Morin: [00:23:44] I think coach coaching with Tommy. So Tommy brought me on, we coached this program called the rollout Hawks, which is no longer around, but it was, I don’t know if it was the first, but it was they pretty much were all high academic kids. So it was kind of a niche market. Right. And I just really [00:24:00] enjoyed how much I could help the athletes.
So we had a 17 & under team. I was an assistant. I would just kind of do whatever you need me to do, but the kids would always try to say like, okay, well you’re in college. Like how do I get there? Right. And I think, I thought coaching was a lot about like drawing plays and things like that. But you know, probably halfway through that first season of coaching, I realized like, that’s not what this is about.
This is about helping these kids kind of get to where they want to get to. You know, whether it’s we had kids go to Colgate and Harvard and things like that, but like whether it’s there or another avenue, I think that’s the piece that’s always really stuck with me is in the forefront of my mind is how do I help this student get from where they are to where they want to be, or as close to where as I want to be as I can.
Mike Klinzing: [00:24:44] That’s really cool. Cause I think a lot of times when you think about young coaches or I think about myself, I kind of went into it with the, sort of the same experience that you had prior to getting into it where you think it’s mostly about my basketball knowledge and [00:25:00] my, I mean, I used to think it’s about my skill as a player and I can translate that.
And you quickly, I think come to realize that yeah, that’s a part of it, but so much of what you do is as you describe, you’re building a relationship with your players. And then that relationship allows you to impact their life positively through something that we all love through the game of basketball.
I think that’s what makes coaching so special is that you get to be able to have those interactions within the framework of a game that even playing since you were four or five years old. To me, that’s, what’s really, really fun about it. And not everybody always gets to I think sometimes it takes a little bit of time to get to that realization because at the beginning of I know my career, it was kind of more about, more about me and trying to figure out who I was and what I was all about.
And I think back to the first couple of teams I coached, I’m not sure that I was probably the best coach for those kids, because I was more focused on me than them. Instead of [00:26:00] eventually that focus tended to flip where now you are more focused on the kids and what you can do for them as opposed to vice versa, which is kind of how it was early in my career.
When you think about. Finish it up and you graduate. And I started looking for a job. Tell me what that first job hunt was like. And you ended up getting a GA job. Was that the first, that’s the first position that you got coming out of Salem state, correct?
Trey Morin: [00:26:25] Yeah, so I it’s funny, like I was kind of half and half out, so I I knew I wanted to do it, but I really didn’t.
Honestly, listen to Tommy as much as I should have. I, I kind of like
Mike Klinzing: [00:26:39] I looked at that paycheck. You were like, I’m not sure if this
Trey Morin: [00:26:41] is what I want to do. So like I had, I couldn’t, and this is like probably still my biggest regret today in my career. And I regret is, is it just is, I think if the codes and I had a GA with him where I could go work with him at his college that he was at and it was like, if you think about the middle of nowhere in Vermont, that’s what it was [00:27:00] like, the closest store is 30 minutes away and there’s nothing around or I could go do sort of like athletic operations.
So order buses and do game management and kind of just be around it at Merrimack. So I actually didn’t coach basketball. I just kind of hung around the basketball staff and avoided doing work with the athletic department as much as I can. And you know, I’d go to class and it was a year program, so it was super accelerated.
They paid for me to go, it’s a great experience, but it wasn’t like as fulfilling as maybe I at the time thought it was, but it had a ton of translatable skills, right. Like dealing with coach and it’s dealing with athletes trying to learn how to plan logistics stuff you know, scheduling and things like that.
And I kind of maybe didn’t appreciate it as much at the time, but that, that was my first kind of foray in a work of school was a lot for me to balance. Cause it was, I mean, I think it was literally like a 10 month program. He got a master’s degree. So it was like like four o’clock. It was crazy. It was [00:28:00] four classes you’re working 40 hours a week.
It was a lot, but I’m really happy. I did it.
Mike Klinzing: [00:28:05] When you think back to that time, some of those skills that you learned, even though you weren’t working directly with the basketball program, I’m sure that some of those skills have served you well in the positions that you’ve gone on the whole, I think about you as a head coach at a prep school, I’m sure that a lot of those same tasks that you were doing as a GA there at Merrimack are things that you’re still doing today, I would guess, right?
Trey Morin: [00:28:27] Yeah, man. I mean, I think that probably prepared, this is funny. Like that probably prepared me to be a good division, three assistant, more than anything I did. Because you know, at the division three level, like you just do everything. If you’re fortunate enough to have a manager or an intern or like another part-time guy, like they can help out with some, but if it’s a part-time guy, right.
He’s probably got another job. So you’ve got to do everything. So it’s just bouncing stuff and, and there’s no excuses and that stuff, right? Like you got to kind of make it happen. Like [00:29:00] if you’re doing game ops and you know, you forgot a pylon for football, like you got to figure it out. You know, I think that stuff is really important for.
Yeah. Moving forward in your career.
Mike Klinzing: [00:29:12] What do you think makes a good assistant since you served as an assistant in a couple of different programs, when you think about you and you’ve also obviously been a head coach now, but when you’re looking for an assistant or when you think about what makes a good assistant coach, what are some of the qualities that you develop and that you now look for in people who are going to be an assistant in the program that you’re, that you’re leading?
Trey Morin: [00:29:33] I think it’s, it’s interesting, like being a, an assistant coach is very kind of staying close or you think it’s thankless. I think this is the hardest thing to find is someone, a lot of people say that they want to coach basketball, but I don’t think a lot of people know what that means. I think a lot of people say they want to do it and they, they kind of do the minimum and they don’t necessarily do whatever it takes to get the job done in terms of staying late.
You know, we all want to cut film. We all want recruit, but we don’t all like want to [00:30:00] order meals after the game. Or you don’t have to drive players to the airport at four 30 in the morning or whatever. And those are the things that your head coach may not find out you didn’t do. But I always thought that those were just kind of part of the job.
Right. I think the first thing is being hard working. I think especially at the lower levels, like your boss can teach you how they want certain things done in terms of, on the floor. And things like that. So definitely kind of an acumen and picking stuff up quickly. And then I think the third thing for sure is the ability to multitask and be kind of a chameleon in different social situations.
I think if you’re gonna recruit student athletes, you need to be able to kind of convey your message to different students, right? It’s not always. The same kind of kid. And I think those are the best in my experience, both from having my students be recruited, also recruiting students. Those are the best recruiters are the people who are kind of social chameleons.
Mike Klinzing: [00:30:52] All right. So let’s talk a little bit about the recruiting piece of it when you’re out on the road, recruiting, what are things, and we can kind of, I [00:31:00] guess, just associate the level, but let’s focus kind of on the intangible piece of it. What are some things when you walk into a gym and you’re scouting a kid and you’re looking to decide whether or not this is a kid you want to bring into your program, what are some of the intangible things that you look for that are important to you when you’re trying to evaluate, is this kid going to be a good fit?
Trey Morin: [00:31:20] I think there’s obviously physical stuff. I think the first thing. I look for us positional size. I think if you’re obviously big for your position that makes a big difference and that’s different at every level, right? Like I think in high school, big for your position at at the center spot, it might be six, seven or six, eight, depending on your level.
It might be six, six, right? I think that’s important. I think the ability to shoot the ball is always welcomed. I think with the the admin and the advancement of the game, I think that’s becoming more and more important. And then the third thing is kind of like, what else do you do? Right. Like, I think we all talk about [00:32:00] kids that play hard and they’re coachable and all that stuff.
But the thing is like, at most of these levels, if you don’t do some of those things, like you don’t really last, right? Like if you don’t have, you’re not absolute. If you don’t, if you’re not coachable, there’s a lot of kids who play bass. Right. Like, we’ll just go find somebody else. I think that that’s, that’s what not a lot of coaches tell their players you can not listen or you can do this, or you can do that.
And we can have a different conversation about what body language, how important that is or isn’t, but like, you’re just not going to listen and not do what we’re trying to do to get us to win. Then we’ll just go get somebody who will do those things. And then, you know playing hard is a skill. I think we’ve all learned that in guys get paid obviously at the highest level.
Not just because they play hard, but I think in addition to playing art, I think Marcus Smart signed a big deal and that’s a big piece of what he does. And obviously he’s physically gifted, but I think those are always things to that, that stand out. But I don’t, I know a lot of kids are getting recruited at a high level that don’t play very hard.
So I think that’s just coach speak that we say to make ourselves [00:33:00] feel better. Well,
Mike Klinzing: [00:33:01] I love that. Cause to me it just seems obvious that if you come into our program, You’re not going to do the things that we need you to do. Hopefully you can identify that before you bring the kid in, which is clearly what you’re trying to do so that you don’t have any of those kids that become a part of your program, but to your point, what a great message to send to players.
And it’s too bad that there’s so many players who don’t get that message for whatever reason. And we could go into what those reasons are and whether or not how coaches are incentivized or not incentivized to tell their players what the truth really is. But if you could just have that conversation with every player, like, look, you have to be able to do what your coach of your program wants you to do.
And that may not always be hoisted up 25 shots a game. There may be other than maybe other things that your coach needs you to do. And it’s such a simple [00:34:00] message. And yet at the same time, I think it’s one that players. Don’t hear enough. And it’s probably one that coaches don’t say enough, because to your point, there’s so many players out there.
Like I look at the recruiting piece today and I dunno, it just seems like when I go watch basketball, I trying to determine this kid’s potential versus this kid. Like there’s so many kids who are skilled. And I guess for me, when it would come down to, when I walk into a gym and I sit down and watch a game and you’ll know exactly what, I’m, what I’m saying.
Once I say it, it’s like, there’s a kid who can play. And then there are kids who are playing basketball. And if you really find a kid who can play those kids stand out like sore, thumbs, and again, then part of it depends on what level you’re recruiting for. Obviously if the kid’s athletic and six foot eight, then he’s probably being recruited by division ones.
If he’s six foot one, and he’s a little bit slow than maybe. [00:35:00] Being recruited by division three schools. So it just kind of depends, but I think we all, people who know basketball and watch a lot of basketball, you can identify like that kid’s a basketball player. And I think it goes to what you said. Are you doing things that impact winning?
Do you play hard? Do you share the ball? Do you play on the defensive end before? Or are you just looking to shoot and is it all about you? And so often you just see so many environments with basketball where kids are doing things. For themselves. So when you are sitting there and you’re watching that game and you’re looking at a kid and you’re trying to decide, is this kid going to be a fit for us?
And then you get to have, have an opportunity to have a conversation with him or his family. What are those conversations looking like? And, and what do you try to discern from the discussions and the conversations that you might have with a player during that recruiting process? Yeah,
Trey Morin: [00:35:56] I mean, I think it differs, right.
I think when you’re at [00:36:00] some of the places I’ve been like Colby, so are a lot of them. Was trying to get as big of a funnel as you can with kids that you think help you. Cause that that’s a school it’s a very specific school, right? Like it’s, it’s very small, it’s liberal arts. You know, it’s a great program that coach actually just left to take an AP job, but he had won close to 500 games.
Like he was phenomenal, but he, he liked a very specific kind of kid. Like he liked to tough, hard nose, gotta be able to get coached. So like, if a kid was for instance, like if the parents spoke for the kid a lot, or like if the kid kind of was an excuse maker, if that makes sense, like this isn’t going to work out, you know what I mean?
Like coach is going to tear you up. Like you’re not going to last, so we’re just not going to even pursue this. You know, and then there’s places like Bates where like, No, it’s a good school. It’s a high academic school. It’s, there’s a finite amount of students that can get into this school like that.
So there’s, and they’re all, we’re all being recruited by the same people. So that was like, [00:37:00] let’s go find a different kid, a kid from out of region, a kid that nobody knows about that fits what we want and how we want to play. But I think from a personality standpoint, you’re, you’re always looking for kids that you enjoy being around families that you enjoy being around.
I do watch the parents. I think that’s important if a, if a dad or a mom is too involved, that doesn’t necessarily turn me off, but I think it’s the question is not me as a head coach. Can I manage this parent? I think that’s really important. Like, is this guy gonna sit or this mom gonna sit down and I talked about it, like not metal and while we’re trying to do.
Cause I think some of the most important parents and conversations parents can have with their kids is after the games. It’s either like you’re pro coach or you’re anti coach. And that seems to be. You know, the way it goes.
Mike Klinzing: [00:37:44] That’s so true.
Trey Morin: [00:37:45] That’s so true. I mean, I think you’ve got a one, a like the kid, the kid’s gotta be into what you’re doing.
Right. Like, and I try to get as many kids on campus as I can obviously, but then I also try to get as many kids that come to practice as they can. So like, I’m not [00:38:00] saying I wouldn’t take a kid if he hasn’t come to practice, but I haven’t taken very many kids that haven’t come to practice because if you can’t deal with this directness, if you can’t practice hard for two hours, if you can’t like, if this doesn’t kind of get your motor going like this, probably isn’t going to work out and it’s going to be more trouble than it’s worth.
And that’s no matter how good you are, I think like that’s kind of one thing I’ve always, I guess, prided myself on is like I feel like I can win with a lot of different players. And obviously we’re all in the market for really good players and next level players help you really win.
And that’s that’s who actually wins games, but I feel like there’s a lot of them out. And we can win a lot of different ways with the guys that want to work that want to be in your program.
Mike Klinzing: [00:38:41] I think that’s a good way to look at it. When you think about just the sheer volume of kids that are out there and how much skill level there is, and today’s player compared to you think about when you were playing, or certainly when I was playing back a long time ago, there just wasn’t as many kids that were as skilled, the kids today can do so many more things with the ball.
And [00:39:00] so many more of them can shoot the ball. And so I think your point is well taken that there’s not just one perfect player that fits your program. You can find somebody and hopefully mold them. And if they have the certain level of skill and they have the academics and they fit in with the school environment and their coach.
Then you could probably make that situation tenable for them and make it so that you can Excel with the team that you have in front
Trey Morin: [00:39:25] of you. Yeah. I mean, I, and not to cut you off, but I haven’t been a head coach at the college level, but I would say that’s definitely true in high school. I think at Phelps, when I first got there, I thought the answer was to like pump it full of post-grads and just be the hungry dog team and, and, and have a bunch of kids that just they’re chasing scholarships or last chance and this, that, and the third.
And I think that there’s a piece of that that’s important and that’s a balance. Then we went and played Blair right academy. Joe made stagnate obviously press school. Legend. They’d beat us by like 40. And [00:40:00] I had never seen a warmup like I saw. And that’s one big thing with me is like, I don’t, I hate bad warm-ups I like, I ha it has to be a certain way.
And they had the most impressive warmup, I think I’ve ever seen. And we developed a relationship. I asked him, I said, how do you get your kids to do that? And he’s like, I’ve had him for three years. I don’t take one of your kids. I don’t take to your kids. Like, I don’t care how good they are. This is how we do it.
And I just, at that moment, I was like, you got to get them young and you got to get a certain kind of kid and you just got to make them good. And I think you know, that’s, that’s definitely carried over with me and I think that’s a big part of my coaching philosophy now. Like I not to say I wouldn’t take a one or two year kid, but I think the younger you can get them and the better quote, unquote trained they are to play the way that you want to play.
I think the more the more kind of congruent they are with you.
Mike Klinzing: [00:40:50] No, that makes a ton of sense. All right. I have two questions for, from what you just said. First one is all right. You’re a big warm-up guy. So what’s a good warmup look like, cause we all see [00:41:00] we’ve all seen. Different levels of I’m going to call it seriousness when it comes to, when it comes to, when it comes to warmups.
So what, what makes a good warmup and why is that so important to you? And then I’ll come back to my second one.
Trey Morin: [00:41:13] I think, I think the first and foremost thing is like the God the gods have to be going at game speed. I think you know, it’s hard to do it for 20 minutes. Like let’s not lie, so maybe we have to cut the wall down a little bit.
Maybe we don’t warm up at the 20 minute mark. Maybe we do. 15 or 18. Cause they’ve all been out there. They’re all kind of loose we’d go back in and talk, whatever it is. I think the first thing is they’re going game speed and they’re going hard. Right? They’re talking, they’re vocal, they’re getting mentally engaged.
So now you’re physically engaged. You’re verbally engaged and hopefully you’re mentally engaged. And I think a lot of kids worry about burning out. Right. They worry about like, I don’t want to get taught. Like I can’t tell you that. I’ve heard that. And it’s like, well, dude, like you’re supposed to be in shape.
If you’re not in shape in the middle of the season, what are you going to be? Right. So like, you should be sweating, right? So like you, you come out you’re you’re, you actually have a sweat [00:42:00] going, right. Two minutes comes in, we bring it in, you get a little sip, get your second wind and you’re ready to rock.
You know what I mean? I think whatever you do to make that happen, I think we all have different ways of doing that, but you know, mentally, verbally and physically engaged and that you actually have a, a kind of full on sweat going. I think it’s the kind of the main indicators.
Mike Klinzing: [00:42:19] What’s your favorite warmup drill slash activity.
Something that you can explain in an audio podcast.
Trey Morin: [00:42:26] I mean, we do a full court thing, I think like, especially the start-up practice and we’ll for pre-games, we’ll kind of condense it to half core, but you know, we’ll run, we have a ball, like we’ll sprint dribble, then we’ll kind of change direction and just kind of get them going kind of do a dribble map.
So up to the elbow, over to the sideline, up to half court if it’s pregame, Jubal all the way across, we’ll hit a manager and then we’ll kind of go in for a lab. So we’ll do three labs, three pull-ups and three threes. And that just kind of gets them going. If you do a full core, pre-practice it really kind of gets them.
Sometimes we’ll do it with a heavy ball which [00:43:00] really, really helps that that kind of gets them going. And when they pass it to the manager, I have the same manager’s name and it kind of gets him like loose to go into the next thing. And it doesn’t take very long.
Mike Klinzing: [00:43:11] I agree. I mean, I think that warmup one of the things that I always find to be super interesting about the AAU basketball youth basketball space, like as a coach, I intuitively understand exactly what you’re trying to get accomplished, where you’re getting your players physically, mentally, emotionally, ready to play a game.
And then I think about the poor AAU coach whose team comes out onto the floor after being cramped up in some hallway and walks out on the court. And there’s three minutes put up on the clock. And then the buzzer buzzes after 30 seconds. And you maybe took one shot and you’re trying to do something.
And all of a sudden you’re back trying to play. It always strikes me whenever I’m coaching at that level. And I get involved in those tournaments and you see the I’m like [00:44:00] this might be one of the worst things for, for basketball players to be, to be actually ready to play both from a physical standpoint, just being loose and warmed up.
And obviously you try to do stuff. If you can find some space off the floor in the hallway or out in the lobby or whatever, but nonetheless, I just always think. And it would be so nice to go back and think about what we did when I was an assistant high school coach. And just again, you’re trying to get your players ready to play.
Like you describe it in so many instances in grassroots basketball. Like it’s not even, it’s not even possible. So it’s, I think it’s, it’s something that’s underrated. If you utilize your warm-up time again, that’s 15 or 20 minutes, whatever it is that you can not only get your players warned off for the game and you can make them better at the same time, if you’re doing things that impact and again, hopefully it should be things that reflect what they’re going to do in the game, which is what you should be doing in practice.
Anyway it’s an extra 15 or 20 minutes of practice, time, every game, however many [00:45:00] games you have on your schedule. So I think a lot of coaches could probably do a better job of taking advantage of that.
Trey Morin: [00:45:03] Yeah. And I think it’s important to. Little, like with everything is explained to them why the is important and kind of sell it to them, right?
Like you, you don’t go into X thing without warming up for it. Like, this is the same thing. Like we have a chance here to, to kind of jump. Cause if they’re not warming up, like more woman up, like we’ve given ourselves an advantage and a lot of basketball, especially when you’re going into conference play, whether it’s in high school or in college, like th th there’s not a huge gap between the teams and the teams on know each other.
So any kind of advantage you can gain whether it be through the warm, up with your scouting or whatever like that, that’s that helps you win the game. And I think conveying how important that is to them and why it’s important. Hasn’t really helped me very much, but I hope it helps somebody else.
Mike Klinzing: [00:45:48] that why is we hear so many coaches talk about that today, that sharing the why is so important to get that player buy-in and I always [00:46:00] harken back to when I was a player and. I don’t think I’d necessarily ever asked the question. Well, I certainly didn’t ask it out loud of a coach.
I was, I don’t think I asked, I don’t think I asked my coach one question about what we’re doing. You just kind of did what you were told and obviously it’s a different era today, but I think that why piece is critically important because there’s so much information out there that kids, parents, people who are involved in your program, they want to know the why behind it.
And as a coach, I think it helps you to think about the why behind what you’re doing. It goes back to that second question that I had a few minutes ago, which is how long into your career was it before you had solidified what your coaching philosophy was or the way that you wanted to play or the way you wanted to do things.
And again, I know you’re ever changing and evolving and growing and learning, but when you really started to narrow down. [00:47:00] These are the core things that I believe in how long into your career was it before you started to really get a grasp on what it was that you believed in both, whether it’s offensively defensively, culture, how long did that take?
Trey Morin: [00:47:12] Yeah, I mean, like you said, I think I’m still kind of we’re coming up on my third season as a head coach, I think you know, you’re always kind of trying to figure out what that is. I would say. And I used to say this in recruiting at the school I was at before. And I, I continue to say, I think my first season, I thought I was okay, but my second season I knew so much more.
So like I used to say, like, this team is getting an infinitely better coach and last year’s team is getting so to answer your question, I think I’m still doing it. I mean, I think I have a way that I think ideally I want to play, like everyone wants to play fast or we wants use threes, but I just, I think so much of what I try to do is like, let’s get it.
You know, the right people, the right shots at the right time. And it’s not an equal opportunity thing and it might not be you know, the way that other [00:48:00] teams do it in terms of our sets or anything like that. But I think definitely offensively. I like to liken it to the spread off fence right.
In football, everything looks the same until it’s not. So like, we have different calls off of our offensive stuff. So we’ll, we’ll call it all in the same pack or we’ll have different packages. And that like one word is different. So we’ll say like formation set place kind of thing, and it’s hard to scout and you don’t know when it’s going to come or anything like that.
So I think that’s it offensively and defensively, I’m still playing around with stuff. Right. Like I think I definitely have thought I wanted to play zone for a long time. And we did it this past year and I really liked it. So I think or zone program, I think officially, I think it’s, it’s, that’s defensively, what I want to do.
And I’m continuing to work on the rotations of that. Well,
Mike Klinzing: [00:48:45] All right, let’s go back to offense, then we’ll jump over to defense. So when you think about that style of play that you described, when you break that down in practice, what does that look like in terms of drill [00:49:00] work, how you set that up? Are you setting up the different actions and working on those in isolation?
Is it break it down first and then put it into the whole picture? Or are you the whole picture first and then break it down in the Parsis? What’s your approach from a practice standpoint, teaching it to your
Trey Morin: [00:49:14] players? Our practices don’t vary too much, and I think that’s something that the longer your season is probably the worst.
That is, I think like one thing that I probably like project to my kids too much. I like to know what stuff looks like. So like, if I go into a meeting without an agenda, like I have like a panic attack, I don’t know what’s coming. Right. So like I tell the kids, like I’m not very smart. Like our practice is going to be structured pretty much the same way every day.
Like there’s going to be different stuff that we do in terms of like the actual execution of it. But like you know that we’re going to shoot before we warm up and then we’re going to warm up and then we’re going to do defy, right? Like it’s all kind of the same. So like, I teach a lot of decision-making.
I think that’s something that’s really important and something that’s really undertook. Basketball is such a fast game [00:50:00] that you have to be able to make the right decision at the right time. Right. So we do a lot of like advantage disadvantage or you know, offensively specifically, like we’ll go into whatever an initial action is.
And then, okay, we’re going to go ride in the ball screen and like, they’re going to be in this coverage or that coverage. And you have to have the answer to that pick and roll coverage and for coming on in a game and we know this team’s going to blitz us, like we’ll work on the blitz coverage for however many days we have to do it and then we’ll play, we play a lot of five and five.
We play a lot if we’re on three. I just think decision-making is really important, especially at the high school level, because they don’t have kind of the background knowledge to just walk through stuff like you can at some of the higher levels.
Mike Klinzing: [00:50:41] I agree a hundred percent on the decision-making piece of it.
That that’s one of the things that I think we talked a little bit earlier about how skilled kids are. And I do think that if you look at a roster. At the high school level today, the number of kids who can shoot it and put it on the floor and handle the ball, [00:51:00] especially when they’re in isolation is way, way, way higher than it was 10 or 15 years ago.
And yet I’m not sure that the basketball IQ and decision-making that the improvement there has matched the improvement in skill level. So when I hear you talking about an advantage disadvantage, and putting kids into the situations that they’re going to see, whether it’s pick and roll coverages or whatever it might be, how do you parse out making the decision of when to have, when to correct one, to ask a question, how are you coaching that decision?
So I know coach has always kind of struggled with how much do I stop the action? When I see a decision that maybe was made incorrectly, versus I let it play out and then we come back to it or I let the kids play it out and they see that, okay, here’s the decision they made. It was a bad one, not because the coach gave me feedback, but because it was a turnover and then I’ve got to make a different read the next time.
So how [00:52:00] do you actually teach or talk about with your players? The decisions that they’re making on the practice floor?
Trey Morin: [00:52:07] Yeah, that’s a good question. I think I’ve gotten, that’s probably the biggest area of growth I’ve had as a coach. I think like we want this perfect symphony and we want you know, like, like a Hamilton play production or basketball and like, that’s not really how it is, right?
Like it’s a, it’s a game of chaos and depending on how much, how fast you play, right. It’s what level you coach at high school? Like sometimes it’s a game of errors, right. And I think minimizing those errors is really important and, and giving the kids what to expect and certain covers, I think were, were really heavy pick and roll team.
And I think we’ll continue to do that at St. Andrew’s, but a lot of that is just teaching them the decision to make against a certain read. So we do that through film. We watch a lot of film and it’s not a lot in terms of the volume at one time. Like we’re fortunate if it’s like, we have TVs in the gym, so I can airplay my laptop onto the TV, [00:53:00] you know, mid practice and say like, Hey, listen, there’s your read?
Where should you go with it? Okay. The kid answers it right or wrong. Right. And you can correct it. I try not to stop practice too much. I just think that that kills the flow of it, especially if we’re in kind of mid flow, but there’s a balance right now. I’d be lying. If I said I probably figured it out, but we use a lot of you know, a lot of film, a lot of like, okay, here’s what to expect.
Especially if we’re Skyping and opponent, but a lot of it is just kind of do it on air. Do it kind of like with an advantage and then do it live. I think that’s been really good for us.
Mike Klinzing: [00:53:34] What’s your process for preparing film for those kinds of situations? Like you just described. Something that you personally are doing and breaking it down.
How do you, how do you go about breaking down the film? How much film are you watching? Just describe your process for utilizing film to what you feel is the best of its you know, of its ability.
Trey Morin: [00:53:57] Yeah, I think I’ve definitely, that’s, that’s another, like, I’ve been able [00:54:00] to work a lot smarter than I say harder.
So like when I was an assistant in college, I would watch, I mean, I’d watch as many games as I could. Especially my first job. So at Colby sort of like, all I did was watch, fail and recruit. Like, I didn’t really have a hand in planning practice cause you know, the coach has done it and he taught for 30 years.
Like he’s gonna, he can figure it out. Right? Like, so I would just watch film, recruit, watching them recruit. He did most of the Scouts. And then as I kind of progressed through that year, we kind of started to collaborate on stuff, but I didn’t want to have not have an answer to that. That team was doing if he asked and sometimes you asked and sometimes he didn’t, but I tried to watch as much as I could.
I know when I got the base the way that that league is set up, it’s it mirrors the Ivy league. So you play Friday nights, Saturday afternoon. So if you’re going to watch, you know you know, six games of each team, like that’s really hard, right. Cause that’s right, exactly. In three days, because you can’t prep on Thursday for, for Saturday, you gotta prep for Friday, so you got to kind of really grind it out.
And we [00:55:00] had synergy there and that really helped obviously, but I also really liked to watch kind of the full game just to get the story of the game, right. The picture of the game. So I’d watch a lot and then we’d parse it up and I’d leave the Scouts a lot of times. And I I kind of was like, maybe I’m giving these guys too much.
And it ended up probably being the case and then Phelps I watch every practice at Phelps. And I’d watch as much film as I could. Like there’s not the truce film exchange in high school. Like I’m, I don’t know how it is in a while, but like I’d have to grind it out to find film and look at YouTube and call people.
And sometimes I only got two games at the end of the day. So like you got to kind of figure it out. So a lot of that was a lot more about what we’re doing as a team because most high school teams only have one or two pick and roll coverages, so you can kind of figure that out.
But I’ll do it during practice to answer your question. And finally, I will show Pratt, show it during practice. So we’ll have a TV that I can airplay my computer to on the practice floor. And like, it may be [00:56:00] free garden segment or pre you know, after shooting or something like that at some point during practices.
So to keep them engaged, I make them stand. And then for Scouts, we’ll do it two days before the game. And then we’ll, we’ll do a personnel edit kind of right before. So we, I think my job as a high school coach, especially at a college prep program is to try to get them as ready for college as I can.
And part of being ready for causes is digesting film and digesting Scouts.
Mike Klinzing: [00:56:25] Yeah, absolutely. I think that’s something that I hadn’t really seen very much of actually utilizing practice film on the floor, where the kids are, whatever they’re engaged or doing something and you show it to them beforehand or afterwards, whatever.
And they’re seeing it right there in the moment. And then they go and then they have to execute it. They have to learn from the film in the practice setting. And when you think about the way that kids consume media today, right? I mean the amount of time that they spend watching YouTube videos or Tik TOK or [00:57:00] whatever it is, I mean, and the ability to.
Let’s take it even a step further, like you’re doing a player development workout. You just take your phone out with you on the floor. And you’re like, okay, we’re going to work on this move and just pull up some MBA guy. That’s doing a particular piece of footwork or whatever, and then you could show it to that player.
And I think it’s amazing what you can do with some of the technology and some of the tools that we have. And it’s just one more thing. I mean, I think it’s, I, I equate this a lot to being a teacher teachers, you get so many things kind of thrown at you. I think that, Hey, try this, do this. And there’s Google classroom, this and all these different tools and suites and things that you can do.
And it’s like, you have to find one or two of those things that you could really be good at that you can utilize. And it sounds like you found the ability to be able to incorporate in, bring the film that you’ve cut up and that you’ve looked at and you know what you want to show them and then be able to show it to them in the practice environment.
And it just adds to that. [00:58:00] Ability to see, because you can stop it. You can see it and you can look at it a couple of times. Whereas if you just drop a drill, stop a drill and practice and you say, Hey, that decision was wrong with the kid. Can’t see it. He doesn’t, can’t go. He can’t go back and look at it.
Whereas if you have it on film, obviously you can go back and you can look at it a couple of times you can say, Hey, what were the options? Like, what could this player have done in this situation instead of the choice that he did make. And I think that that’s really gotta be a tremendous tool for, for coaches that are better coaches that are utilizing.
And I don’t know that a lot of people are bringing the film onto the plaque practice. Well, I don’t know how many people you’ve talked to, but there’s only one or two that I can think of that I’ve had conversations with that are actually bringing the film onto the practice floor.
Trey Morin: [00:58:45] Yeah. I mean, I, I stole that.
They do I saw it in the NBA, like they did an NBA and I’ve always kind of said like, well, they do it. We can kind of figure out what to do it. So like it fell. So we didn’t have a big staff. I had one manager dynamite, man. But I didn’t need him [00:59:00] filming. Right. So like, we’d set the camera up and we’d only film half the court.
So like if the play and on the other half of the court, like, sorry, dude, we can’t get that one. So we’ll go look at this one. But it’s an Andrews. We have huddle like in the sky, like a, I don’t even know what it’s called huddle cam or whatever that’s like can do about it on the ceiling. So you could do it from your phone.
So I’m really looking forward to that. Cause it’s you know, you can process the film in real time and we can kind of I’ll teach a manager how to use it. I’ve already kind of started to brainstorm some of that stuff. So I think that’s gonna be even more helpful. Cause I think one thing, and I tell this to the players and the parents, like in the mid preceding, like you’re, they’re going to read it, you’re going to do it or you’re going to see it.
But like there’s no excuse for you not to learn something if we’re trying to teach it. Cause we don’t do a lot of stuff. Like I think that’s really important too is like we don’t have. You know, 15,000 different calls that we’re going to run this set looks different than that set. Like I say, all the time, like I’m not very smart, right?
Like there’s only a finite amount of things I can do. And we’re just going to be really good at what we do. [01:00:00] And like you guys can know what’s coming, but you can’t do it the way that we do it. And I think that’s really important for me as a coach, right? To not have 5 million different calls in my brain, like, okay, this is what we need to use in this situation.
Like, let’s just do it until they stop it. You know, I
Mike Klinzing: [01:00:16] love that. That’s a philosophy that I’ve always had from way back when I started was if we’re good at what we do, and we worry about what we do, it makes what the other team does to us or against us, less important if we can execute whatever it is that we’re trying to do again, forget about what the specific philosophy or set play or offense or whatever it might be.
If you just can execute what you do, it makes what the other team does. Less important. And I think that again, if you’re spending time with your own team and trying to get them to execute to the best of their ability, a lot of the problems that opponents can present to you again, presuming that the talent level is similar.
A [01:01:00] lot of that can be mitigated just by your ability to execute. If you’re focused on what you’re trying to do, let’s talk a little defensive zone. Why, why zone? Give me the, give me the, give me the sale, the sales pitch for, for why you think zone is the best way for you to
Trey Morin: [01:01:14] play. It’s funny. So my, so Tom, the guy Kitara, he for the longest time was been gotta play zone, man, gotta play zone.
We’ve got play zone takes all this guesswork out of it. He’s like you can go on Twitter and. 5 million Amanda man sets. Right? Like you can go, just go talk to Zach little bear and Boveria, and it’s like, he can give you a million of them off the top of his head, but there’s only a certain amount of spots that gods can go when you play zone.
And if you play a unique zone, so like we play 1, 3, 1, right. There’s different kinds of avenues that you can, you can do things out of. And it’s kind of, doesn’t always look the same and you can kind of play with the drops and things like that. So I think that’s, that’s, I don’t want to give away all the trade secrets there, but it’s that’s kind of it, right?
So like it it’s it’s less of [01:02:00] guesswork and we’re not too like disguising things just yet. I mean, we just, I got to teach it better, to be honest with you. You know, I kind of threw it in midway through last year, just cause I was like this year doesn’t really count. We’re going to play games.
Like I might as well just see what works and what doesn’t. You know, and I think the principal stayed the same, right? Like you gotta be able to guard the ball. You gotta be able to kind of move on air time and you gotta be able to take away certain things. But I think zone also allows you to actually guard the three point line better because you have built in help.
Right? So like if our best thing is to take away, if the thing that we want to do the most defensively is takeaway three and rim. Right? I think this is just me. I think it’s a lot easier to close out in a, in a zone right than it is a man. And then you have, built-in help if you play it the right way. So it’s just kind of making people take shots.
They don’t want to take. Cause we want to take the shots that we want to take that we think are good shots. And we want you to take shots. You don’t want to take that are good shots for you. Right. So that’s just kinda how I thought about it.
Mike Klinzing: [01:02:55] That makes a lot of sense. And I think the other thing that.
Gives you an [01:03:00] advantage as a team that plays zone is that most teams, maybe they’re not full on a hundred percent of the time man, to man, but you can guarantee that that coach has Amanda man defense that they worked on. And you think about trying to prepare for a team that as you said, plays maybe a unique zone.
Well, in order to be able to go against that in any way, shape or form, you have to first teach your second team how to play that zone. And you’re obviously not going to be able to do that in a day or two of practice, the same way that your team is going to be able to do it, practicing it all year and having it be your base defense.
And I think there’s an advantage there just in the uniqueness of a team, not seeing that kind of zone just makes it more difficult to prepare for you. It’s kind of like what the Navy and the wishbone, right? The military academies in football, you don’t, you don’t see anybody playing the wishbone. So now you go and you play against them.
And even though you might have superior athletes and be a better team, It’s it’s difficult to [01:04:00] play against because you’re just not, you just don’t see it very often. I think that’s one of the advantages of zone as well, for sure.
Trey Morin: [01:04:04] Well, what did I say? Right. Slow, slow mind, slow fee. Right. And I think one thing, one thing that really kind of sold me too, and I kinda was on the fence about it.
And then Mira maximum co channel retired and a new guy, Joey gala took over and he plays out and. You know, I kind of know I went to their pro it might’ve been his first practice as a coach or second practices approach at Merrimack. And then they started kind of doing their breakdown stuff. And I was asking I’m really, really close to their assistant.
I’m like like what he’s like, dude, this isn’t going to be crazy. And they, they just do it so well. And they’re so well-trained, and his thing is we’re going to be the best trained team at what we do. Right. And I think that there’s a lot of value in that too. So like he doesn’t try to disguise, like we’re going to play 99% possessive zone.
So I also think, and this is just me. If you’re going to be a zone team, like you have to do it, you can’t be oh, we’re going to play 60 possessions of zone at 40 positions of man. Cause then that’s kind of like having two [01:05:00] quarterbacks. Right? You don’t have one. And I think that that’s, that’s the way that I look at it.
Like, and it’s really important cause it’s, it’s hard to teach and I’ve found it to be much harder to teach than man to man. Cause I think there’s this built in, like I can kind of chill right on the backside that a lot of kids have that they don’t necessarily have in man. You know, and he says this to, he says, it’s too, like you have to know whose fault it is in order to hold them accountable.
And I think that’s really important and that’s something that’s a, that’s a big off season thing for me is like, okay, how did Westtown beat us or how to Parkland and be this okay. Like that was his fault. Here’s why like just kind of doing that for myself. So that I’m a little bit more prepared to kind of put it in this year with our guys.
Mike Klinzing: [01:05:42] There’s just so many different things that can happen from an offensive standpoint against your zone, where passes are may guys penetrate. You get to certain spots on the floor where there’s a question of whose responsibility is you’re kind of in that in-between those in-between [01:06:00] spaces on the zone and to be able to be able to teach that and articulate it and give kids enough experience where they know, and they can make those reads just like you talked about reads and a pick and roll, you have to be able to make those reads and those decisions on the defensive end of the floor when you’re in a zone, because you have to know.
Ball gets here. And who’s the closest man whose responsibility is, do I have to bump a guy off? How does it, I how do I rotate out of that position when it’s not I’m covering for somebody else. And so there’s so many different scenarios. That’s what I always find that is difficult for me from a zone standpoint is kids will start asking questions.
Well, what if this and this and this happens. And again, part of that answer is, well, you just got to play. I mean, we can put you in, we can put you in position and ultimately it comes down to, I’m not out on the floor. You have to make reeds, but you have to give kids the experience so that they can start to recognize those scenarios.
I think that sometimes what coaches find to be [01:07:00] a challenge when it comes to playing zone and that’s, as I said earlier, to me, that’s the advantage. If you’re going to be a zone team as a high school team, that teams just don’t see it and they don’t practice against it. In the same number of reps that they do practice it against man to man.
So it just kind of gives it throws teams off. It gives them a little bit of an advantage. Let’s talk about St. Andrew’s. Tell me a little bit about how the opportunity came to you when you get there and you look around what are some of the things that you hope to accomplish as you start to build that program this coming season and on into what you’ve done so far this summer and where you’re headed.
Trey Morin: [01:07:39] Yeah, man. So it’s, it’s all kind of going back. I had a really good situation at Phillips. I really enjoyed working there. You know, it was a lot, but I really liked, I do I to change the code, some really good players you know, nationally ranked players, high major kids high going to be division three kids that kind of was the whole gamut.
But I was, I was kind of ready for the next phase in my life. So my girlfriend is also a coach. She’s a field [01:08:00] hockey coach and she was a head field hockey coach at a division three school. But we were living like two hours from each other and it was a lot, right? Like coaching is hard. It’s it’s a long hours and it, it, her sports on a different than my sport.
It’s not like it’s all it’s basketball. Like they’re the same thing. We both worked really hard and. You know, we kind of this, the job came open and it was both jobs. And I honestly wasn’t, I think a lot of people, I found that a lot of people are like, I’m trying to move to Austin. Like it really wasn’t like that for us.
It just kinda, if they’re not trusted, if you weren’t,
Mike Klinzing: [01:08:32] you, weren’t trying to get closer to south by Southwest
Trey Morin: [01:08:34] about man, it’s, it’s a great place, but that wasn’t, you weren’t like, oh, this is a kind of a destination place. It just kind of worked out, man. And like the more digging that we did into this school the more time we spent with folks both in upper administration and kind of the teachers and the more we kind of we’re, we’re sold on a place.
I think, I think there’s three things that make this place really, really special. I think the community is phenomenal [01:09:00] that, that community, you talk about that a lot of high schools lack, I think St Andrew’s does it really. You know, there’s, there’s 980 kids K through 12 is about 400 in the high school, but they are, it’s one of the most impressive group of, of students I’ve ever been around.
Like they can have conversations with you, like articulate conversations. They’re not afraid to advocate for themselves. Like there’s a lot of things like that, that you really just kind of don’t see. That was really impressive. I think the number two thing, and this is probably the most important thing, selfishly is like, they want to be good at athletics.
I don’t think they want to sacrifice the, the academics that they have, it’s an elite academic school, but they, there’s a, there’s a shared vision to be successful in athletics. You know, we’re doing that in a lot of different ways hired a bunch of new program directors and that’s kind of our role, right?
As we, we direct our programs. So K through 12, we have a hand or really are in charge and responsible for every facet of the program. You know, the coaches on you, the clinics you were on, things of that nature. And then the third thing is you know, it’s a private [01:10:00] school in in the fastest growing city in America, which is really, really kind of exciting to be around. And it’s you don’t get this opportunity too often to kind of coach or someone that you’re probably going to be with in the, in the future. You know, I hope to make her, my wife at some point and, and things like that.
So it’s really you know, it’s an exciting time for us both as, as a unit and moving forward in our life. But also like, I mean, the school has just been super impressive with everything they’ve kind of been, been doing. So
Mike Klinzing: [01:10:28] as you look forward and you think about the tasks that you have in front of you and you get to the end of the season and you look back, how are you going to define your success?
What’s going to make for a successful year for you and your team. Come next year. Whatever April, May?
Trey Morin: [01:10:47] That’s a good question. I think, you know it’s been a program that’s, that’s been pretty competitive. I think that’s that is one good thing about this program is we’re, we’re known in Austin A.
Little bit as being a competitive program. So the league is tough. So the [01:11:00] league is comprised of you know, honestly, probably the best schools in the state of Texas. So it’s kind of unique. We travel for the conference games. We stay over in a hotel, we play Friday, Saturday, so it’s kind of equivalent to the NESCAC and that, and not mine, I think for us, like we just got to continue to build, like, I I’ve been able to get an, a gym with a couple of the guys and they’re talented, but they’re young, right?
So like our best players are some of the younger guys on the roster. So just continuing to develop them, I’m very process driven. You know, I’d love to say, like, I want to win 20 games that might be realistic. That might not be, I’m not really sure. I just want to continue to see growth in them.
And I think have it changed like the, the athletic culture a little, but I think that’s one thing about the school they’ve kind of, they’ve mentioned they didn’t hide was that we want kids to kind of be a little bit more into athletics. So I think you’re starting to see that change.
Like we added, we kind of take, took football on holy. Like we co-op with the school now we kind of do it ourselves. And, and there’s the [01:12:00] participation numbers for the fall. Sports are, are as high as they’ve ever been. So we’re, we’re on the right track, I think. So just keeping kids, the culture, establish how we want to do things, play the way we’re gonna play and, and kind of let the, let the dice roll where they may,
Mike Klinzing: [01:12:15] it sounds like an exciting opportunity, not just for you, but obviously for your wife.
We know anybody who follows anything knows that Austin is a place where, as you said, a lot of people want to be in the fact that you’re able to come into St Andrew’s and have the support of the administration, that they want to be able to have academic success. They want to be able to have athletic success.
Sounds like it’s going to be a great fit for what you’re trying to accomplish. I want to finish with a two-part question for you. First part of the question is what, when you look forward, what’s the biggest challenge that you see facing you to accomplish the success that you just talked about. And then number two, what’s the biggest joy you have when you get up in the morning and you think, Hey, I’m the [01:13:00] head coach here at St.
Andrew’s school. What’s the biggest joy that you get from that?
Trey Morin: [01:13:05] So the first part I think the hardest part is going to be educating. The way that St Andrew’s is kind of viewed as there’s two parts, right. Either they can’t afford it, which is a true people, lost and we give tremendous financial aid.
And the second part is I can’t get into that school, which is not true. It’s a holistic review, right? Like, so I think we just have to educate people in the community, right. That you can be athletic and a good academic story here. Right. That’s, that’s possible. I, I think that’s been a challenge so far.
I think we’re we, we can attract students from the area, but I think we’ve just got to kind of get our, our willingness to be accepted of a lot of people out there and just building the foundation, I think it’s not, it’s not a school that’s and this is Texas, right? Like this is like athletics are important.
And they’re important at the public schools and they’re important at the private schools. And I think we’re a little bit further behind than we would like to be. So just continuing to kind of get our [01:14:00] name that like, Hey, we want to be good and we’re making strides to that. And then number two, I think, I feel very like.
I feel really fortunate to be at St. Andrews for a lot of different reasons, right? I’m not a private school kid. I didn’t get to go to education like this. Like I never would have thought I’ve gotten to work at a school like this, but I think I get to coach basketball for a living. Right. I think at any level that you can get up and say, like, I get to coach a child’s game and they’re paying me enough for me to afford to live.
You know, that’s a win, right. I love being in a gym. There’s access to a gym. The school has been great. I think I’ve been really re-invigorated since I’ve gotten here. And I think it’s, it’s really been great.
Mike Klinzing: [01:14:38] That conversation or that statement that you just made hearkens back to the beginning of our conversation tonight, right?
With you going up in the attic and talking to your dad and ask him, Hey, been doing this thing. And so you take it full circle and then your answer here at the end is basically the same thing that, Hey, I get an opportunity to coach basketball and I get a chance to make a living doing that. And the [01:15:00] game I say it all the time, and I know I’m not the only one who says it, but the game.
Been so good to me and given so much to me. And when we get a chance to talk to people like yourself on the podcast, who you could just tell through the conversation, just how thankful you are for the opportunities that you’ve been given and what the game of basketball has been able to do for you. And to me, that’s really, again, that’s what it’s all about.
Whether you’re hosting a basketball podcast like I am, or you’re the head coach at St. Andrew’s school in Texas, you’re, you’re using the game of basketball to better the lives, hopefully of the people you’re interacting with. And that’s really what it’s all about. So before we get out, go ahead and share how people can reach out to you.
If they want to have a conversation, they want to learn more about you. They want to learn more about your program. Social media website, whatever you want to, how people get in contact with you email, and then I’ll jump back in tray and wrap things up.
Trey Morin: [01:15:51] Yeah, I think the best place to find me to be honest with you is Twitter @TreyMorin I am always on [01:16:00] Twitter.
It’s probably my favorite social media platform. You can DM me, you can follow me. I’m, I’m always open to having conversations with people. I’m also I’m going to plug myself, I’m looking for an assistant coach in Austin. So if you’re interested in helping us out, definitely reach out.
Mike Klinzing: [01:16:15] Absolutely.
Yeah. We’ll put that on our Twitter account and certainly put it in the show notes. So anybody who’s out there, you’re looking to make, there’s a lot of people looking to move to Austin. Sounds cool. Sounds like you’re putting sounds like it could be a good gig in more ways than one tray. So absolutely. As I said off the top, this has been a long time coming, probably long overdue.
So I can’t thank you enough for taking the time to jump out with us tonight. Really appreciate it. And to everyone out there. Thanks for listening. And we will catch you on our next episode. Thanks.