HARRI MANNONEN – COACH & AUTHOR OF “COMPLEX BASKETBALL COACHING: HOW TO MAKE BASKETBALL PRACTICES MORE EFFECTIVE” – EPISODE 513

Harri Mannomen

Website – https://harrimannonen.com/

Email – harrimannonen@hotmail.com

Twitter – @harrimannonen

Harri Mannonen has 35 years of coaching experience from grassroots to the professional and national team level. Besides his native country Finland, he has coached in Denmark and Iceland and studied in Lithuania and England.

Harri has the FIBA coach certification, a Master’s Degree in basketball coaching and is also an experienced coach educator.

He is the author of the book “Complex Basketball Coaching: How Complex Systems Thinking Changes Practical Coaching”

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Be prepared to make note of some coaching nuggets as you listen to this episode with coach and author Harri Mannonen from Finland.

What We Discuss with Harri Mannonen

  • Growing up with basketball in Finland
  • The experience with a coach that made him think he might want to get into coaching
  • Traveling to Spain for his first coaching clinic
  • The easier access coaches have to information today compared to the past
  • How the team plays affects the player and how the player plays affects how the team plays
  • Transference is everything
  • Generally, the more players involved in the training, the better the transference
  • “If you do the same thing over and over again, and it all looks like a game, then the transfer slowly disappears”
  • Learn the skill and then add a defender a soon as possible, but not sooner
  • Designing good shooting practice/training and how/when to incorporate a defender
  • “Observe what happens and figure out what the system needs to become more efficient.”
  • Balancing the technical with the tactical during a practice
  • Understanding your individual players’ strengths when designing your team system
  • Success starts with going full speed, having great endurance, and changing speeds
  • Don’t run drills for the sake of running drills
  • Keep drills simple to maximize transference
  • Practice design and planning
  • “If there’s no transference, we haven’t accomplished anything.”
  • How do you prepare players for the unexpected?
  • How do you see what the players will be able to do 6 months from now and start planning for that
  • Don’t overreach or kill the team, you’re always preparing them for the next day

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TRANSCRIPT FOR HARRI MANNONEN – COACH & AUTHOR OF “COMPLEX BASKETBALL COACHING: HOW TO MAKE BASKETBALL PRACTICES MORE EFFECTIVE” – EPISODE 513

[00:00:00] Mike Klinzing: [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to the Hoop Heads Podcast. It’s Mike Klinzing here without my co-host Jason Sunkle this afternoon, but I am pleased to be joined by Harri Mannomen from Finland professional basketball coach, who was also the author of a very interesting book, complex basketball coaching, how to make basketball practices more effective.

And that’s what we’re going to dive into today with Hari. Welcome to the Hoop Heads Pod.

Harri Mannonen: [00:00:23] Thank you.

Mike Klinzing: [00:00:26] Absolutely excited to have you on. There’s a lot of interesting things that I think we can touch on that coaches that are part of our audience will find interesting and maybe challenge some of the perceptions that they have about what they do within their practices.

Want to start out though, by going back to the beginnings for you in the game of basketball, how did you get introduced to the game? What was it about the game of basketball that intrigued you and just give people a little bit of an idea of what your basketball coaching background.

Harri Mannonen: [00:00:55] Yeah, I’m from Finland, from gutka [00:01:00] Finland.

That is an a and I started, started playing basketball. Like when I was, I think, eight years old, I was living in a new suburb and then they started the gym or build the gym right, right there, right near where, and then more or less well, but all the boys in the, in the neighborhood started playing basketball and, and I was, I was one of them in the, in the brand new gym.

And also, also at the time, it was an interesting time in finished basketball because at the time the local MKP has been in the, in the men’s league for, for ages. And at that time they were starting to bring in American players to the, to the Finnish league. And that’s when when the level of basketball in Finland really started, started rising with the import players.

Mike Klinzing: [00:01:54] As a player. Was there a time where you started to think that maybe [00:02:00] being a basketball coach was something that you’d be interested in? Or was that not something that crossed your mind until after, after you were done playing? Or did you always know you were going to be a coach from the time you started?

Harri Mannonen: [00:02:12] I think it was quite early, like, like when I was 12 or 13, when, when we had a, when we had a coach who was real like who was really like enthusiastic and really like am and basis, and really like boost boost us to, to to play hard. And that’s when I like, basically started, started thinking that.

Is like interesting and, and like black serious. So, so something that, that you can put like a lot of time and effort into,

Mike Klinzing: [00:02:49] do you remember your first coaching experience and what that was like and what you liked about it?

[00:03:00] Harri Mannonen: [00:02:59] I don’t know when I when I started with the winners, when I first started with the team, I was supposed to be an assistant coach, and I was like, I was 17. And I still played myself and I was supposed to be an assistant coach, but you know, the head coach had an other team and once he had an assistant coach for one of his team it, his own, he appointed me as the head coach of the other teams. So I was, I was I was stuck. I was like after a month I was the head coach because, because of the time pressure on the other girls.

Mike Klinzing: [00:03:42] Absolutely. So how did you start to learn how to become. A better coach. Was that something that you dove into right away, early in your career?

Harri Mannonen: [00:03:53] I like I like figured out that, that, you know what we were doing locally, it was, it was like, [00:04:00] well, it was local.

And at, at the time you had to have to travel. You know, if you, if you wanted to see a clinic or something, it wasn’t like it. Wasn’t like now you’re going to open, you do and see all the clinics you want to do. But at that time, at that time you had to go to a clinic basically. And it was like in a world championships games were in Spain, in, in a D six, I think.

And I was, I was, I was playing for romance theme and, and, and they had like a at the end of the season, they had like, There was a, there was a trip like to Spain or some people that for the whole team, but I didn’t go there, but I, I got the money. I went, went to the, went to, we went to Barcelona, monitory the world champions at games and the clinic.

And there was gazey Jones, opening [00:05:00] night, at least those two coaches were, were there. And that’s like, what’s the first first experience with, with like, seeing, seeing like really international culture.

Mike Klinzing: [00:05:14] So you went there and you’re hearing these guys, you hear Bob Knight, you hear Casey Jones, you hear these guys speak.

And obviously they’ve had the trust, tremendous amount of success in the game and the U S and all over the world. We think of Bob Knight with the Olympics. And what, what did you try to take away from when you go on here? Speak at a clinic. What are the things that you’re looking for even today, if you watch a clinic on YouTube or you see something online or you go to an actual clinic, what are some of the things that you try to take out from the coaches that, that you hear speak?

Is there a specific way that you kind of listen or analyze what you’re hearing?

Harri Mannonen: [00:05:50] Well, basically nowadays, either out of the clinics are all that good because [00:06:00] basically I drive to watch games and really see what’s, what’s like really, really happening and what’s, what’s really being done, but you know, in the beginning clinics can be like quiet you know, something that, where if someone really like talks about his or her whole system of play, then it can really like, oh, Really like open some eyes, like what really goes into like building a system.

Mike Klinzing: [00:06:30] But I think a lot, I think a lot of times what you hear at clinics and correct me if I’m wrong, but I know a lot of the clinics that I’ve been to a lot of times you’ll hear coaches and they’ll just end up telling interesting stories, especially coaches who are maybe coaching at higher levels. And they’ll tell stories about this player or that player.

And if you’re a high school coach or a coach at a lower level, it’s sometimes hard to get things that are applicable to your situation. I think you sometimes have to look really hard for things that you can actually utilize as a coach to make your own coaching better, to [00:07:00] help your team or players improve.

Harri Mannonen: [00:07:02] Yeah. You’re absolutely right. You’re absolutely right. But that was like, if it would talk about like, Hey, the six, it was, it was a whole different world. It was like w w without being internet, it was really like a rare to see even at the clinic to see what, what the coaches do right?,

Mike Klinzing: [00:07:25] Yeah, absolutely. And especially, cause again, you couldn’t, even if you showed it in that moment for you to be able to quickly diagram it and write it down and you know, you not to be able to go back and look at video, we take for, we take for granted today. I’m 51 years old. So I think back to when I was playing in coaches, trying to watch video with my teams, and then even in the early part of my career, trying to watch video on a VCR and rewinding that and trying to get it to hit to the exact moment that you needed it to.

And it’s just, it was so completely inefficient. And now you think about how easy it is. [00:08:00] I mean, you can. Video from teams, not just in your own local area, but as you said, all around the world, and you could study coaches at every level and every different country and every pro league across the world. And as you and I both know, and this podcast certainly we’ve had a chance to talk to lots of different people at lots of different levels of the game.

There are great coaches at every level of basketball and you can learn from so many different people and it’s just so much easier than it ever was in the past.

Harri Mannonen: [00:08:29] Yeah,  the whole, whole thing. It has even things up because they used to be secrets, like, you know certain teams practicing in the USA, but also in like Yugoslavia or, or war, whatever they had the like, they’re all on a style of training and  style of coaching and no, no, pretty much everything is in the open and, and it, [00:09:00] and it’s the same thing.

You know, pretty much everywhere where, where for as long as you have a chairman and a an access to the internet. So it’s, it’s, it’s pretty much the same. And, and it really has revolutionized the whole thing. And that’s, that’s a lot of times, that’s all what looked when, when when we talk about like goats improvement and, and, and so it’s, it’s often overlooked that you have access to pretty much all the information you ever need, but it’s, it’s no, no, it’s up to do your being able to handle it all

Mike Klinzing: [00:09:37] Things just are way more open to now. I think, because they understand that it’s, even if you wanted to keep some things secret, it’s almost impossible today to be able to keep things secret. I mean, maybe if you’re doing something in practice that is unique, maybe you can keep it under wraps, but the reality is. Most everybody that we’ve talked to on the podcast is super willing to share, [00:10:00] like here, here’s what we do, because I think ultimately, and I think this is probably was true in the past, but I think it’s even more true today is that coaches just love the game of basketball and yeah, they want their team to be successful and they want to be able to do things, to help their individual players improve and obviously win games, but ultimately coaches love the game and they want to see the game itself get better.

And I think that’s where you see the sharing. It just seems like there’s, there’s much more of a willingness and a connectivity to the world of coaches today. Just simply because there almost isn’t a choice. Like you can’t hide things that in the past, you may have been able to keep away from other people.

Harri Mannonen: [00:10:35] Yeah. Yeah. I think nowadays too, if, if coach. Good Gibson that’s they would, but you know, they know that it’s not possible, then you can be open about it.

Mike Klinzing: [00:10:50] Absolutely. All right. Let’s dive into your book, complex basketball coaching, and try to look at this and view it through [00:11:00] the idea of designing a more effective practice to help your players learn better work on skills that are going to translate better to a game, and ultimately help you as a coach to be successful.

Let’s start out maybe with the definition in your mind of complex basketball coaching. Just talk to us a little bit about where this idea came from, what it actually means, and then we can kind of put it into context when we talk about how to improve practices.

Harri Mannonen: [00:11:28] Yeah. Okay. So the basic idea is pretty simple and it’s not really new law.

Like it’s, it’s. It’s all over in the, in the sports science. Now, like during the, during the last less than years, it’s like really taking seriously the idea of the team being a complex system where, where the team play affects, how the hell the players play and how the players play affect how the team plays.

So you can’t lie like, [00:12:00] like one thing and then ignore the other one. But you, you have to consider the whole complex system. And that’s really not a new idea, but like the practical applications to basketball coaching are still like quite rare. And, and, and a lot of coaches still approach the game or coaching in the, in a lot of, a lot of ways in a, in a traditional way.

Like, like for example, like. Like expecting that trading a player wholly out of the team context, like in a, in a, in technical issues, we’ll transfer it to the, to the team team game performance. And that’s something that, that that’s a risky assumption, according to the complex system thinking that’s, that’s like the basic idea of complex basketball coaching or, or, [00:13:00] or anything in any innovations.

Mike Klinzing: [00:13:05] All right. So let’s dive into that because I think it’s really interesting because when you look at the last 10 years, and again, I don’t know how it is specifically in Finland or in Europe, but I know here in the United States, that in the last 10 years, the idea of the basketball trainer didn’t really exist here 10 years ago.

And today there are. I mean, you can walk down any corner and bump into five different coaches who are calling themselves a basketball trainer. And the vast majority of those trainers are working with players. One-on-one where the player is working on skills in isolation without another player there to provide resistance, either authentically or defensively.

So talk to me a little bit about the drawbacks to doing that. And then [00:14:00] how you think that a trainer would benefit from adding another player or players to that player’s workout in order to increase the amount of learning. That’s actually transferable the games.

Harri Mannonen: [00:14:12] Well, I have done some one-on-one training myself too, but then it’s, it’s really like those who don’t say it’s it’s, it’s like it takes a lot of skill from the, from the codes to, to like booting, like on training one doing one-on-one with with the player, because, because in, in training, everything transference is everything with that transparent there’s, there’s no fun.

So, so the emphasis should be on making sure that the transference happens and anytime you add, add, like, even if you add one player, so, and so if you have two players that then you can have like a offensive player, the coach has [00:15:00] a passer and then a defensive player. So, so then you have like some context for that, for the skill development.

That’s if you have two offensive players, one defensive player, okay. Then, then you, then you do have a context, but that doesn’t make mixer. That, that there’s transference. It’s still in everything you do, you, you can have like 12 players in the gym and and still there may be no transfer.

Yeah. And you’re going to be one-on-one with the player and there will be a transparency. It’s all all up to the, the skill of the coach to design the practice so that the transparence happens. But, but absolutely if there are more players, then it’s like easier, easier, more easily.

Mike Klinzing: [00:15:50] So I think the bottom line is that the more you can make the practice and the training look like [00:16:00] what the player is going to experience in a game, the more transference that will, that there will be, is that the basic premise of what you’re trying to get across

Harri Mannonen: [00:16:11] in a way yeah. In a way. But, but then because of the power law of learning, then if you do the same thing over and over again, and it all looks like a game then the transfer and slowly disappears and then you need to be doing something else. And, and like the, the interesting part is like what, what do you do then?

What, what, what options do you have as a coach? That’s something that if you are not playing, if you’re not screaming in, in, in practice, if you’re not playing five on five, okay. Then something is missing. But if that’s all you do, then something is missing too.

Mike Klinzing: [00:16:53] When you think about, I guess, and this goes to the concept that you have in your book, talking about the.

[00:17:00] The number of reps that a player gets versus the quality of the reps that a player gets. So for example, if I want to play or to work on the screen role, which is something that you talk about in your book. And so I want this player to work on coming off a pick and roll and making reads as the passer.

Well, I could put that in a five on five, and then they’re seeing the entire concept the entire context of that play there’s therefore their teammates, there’s five other players out on the floor, the same way there would be an a game, but they’re probably not going to get the number of reps that they could.

If you break that down into a smaller, small side of game of two on two or three on three. And so just talk a little bit about in your mind, how do coaches what’s the balance? How does a coach figure out, or how do you think about. How to balance that those five on five reps where you may not get very many of them with a smaller sided situation where the player may get more reps, how does a coach figure out or try to understand the [00:18:00] balance between those two?

Harri Mannonen: [00:18:02] Well, there are really no strict rules. I had to tell you this,

there, there really are no rules and it would be easy if, if, if you, the whole thing about the complex complex system thinking is that is that you need to, or the whole time you need to be considering the system you’re working. So it, it depends on the team, what it needs and when, and how to best get transparent as to the, to the game performance.

And there are like some There are some, some coaches who are really into the ecological dynamics theory would say that all day, that you shouldn’t be doing any reps with without the defense or without the context. And then, okay. Okay. But then, then you feel waiting for, [00:19:00] for like behind the battery bowl to emerge.

Like if, if you’re doing it with the defense from the beginning, okay. Then you might be waiting for, for a long, long time. And, and, and nobody’s, it’s really like, it’s really important because the idea is that as soon as possible, you’re building a defender or you put in a passing option as soon as possible, it doesn’t really make any sense to put in a diff defender.

If you can’t go behind the back in the first place, because then the defender will stop that or, or otherwise the defense is meaningless. It doesn’t really, it can interfere with the play. It only comes into play after you can do. But then as soon as you can do it, okay. Then you need to be considered, put in, put in the defender and you know, so, so that the player will learn not just the, behind the back-to-back, but also when to use it and how to use it.

Mike Klinzing: [00:19:53] Yeah. That makes a ton of sense to me. I think one of the things that whenever I. Talk to coaches, or whenever I [00:20:00] think about this topic myself, I’m always wondering, and I’ve spent a lot of time coaching, younger kids. So the camps that I run are for elementary school students who are maybe from ages six to 12, let’s say, and a lot of those kids, there are some that have experienced, but there’s a lot of kids that I work with in a camp setting that don’t have a ton of experience that maybe don’t have the basics fundamentals of shooting or a crossover dribble, or just the simple things that any basketball player has to have to be able to have success out on the floor.

And I think it’s always a struggle of how much of that block repetitive practice do you do with. A young player, who’s just learning the game and has to get those fundamental skills down. Versus they also have to start to read and kind of understand spacing and positioning and decision-making, which we all know that basketball as a, as a dynamic sport, [00:21:00] as an invasion sport that decision-making and understanding when to apply those skills is super important.

So if you were talking to a coach who was working with a group of kids who was just starting out, and again, I know there’s no hard and fast rules, but how do you, how do you envision balancing out the amount of block repetition practice just to teach the kids the skills versus when you put them into, even if it’s just a small side of game with offenses and defenses, how do you think about that as you’re designing a way for coaches at that level to work with kids?

Harri Mannonen: [00:21:36] You get rid of the isolated. Block practice as soon as possible. Like more or less in the, in the same practice, in the same practice session, because it used to be like we do these like [00:22:00] four a week or four a month, or depending on, depending on the coach.

And then you put in a defender you know, it, that, that, that’s not, that’s not the, that’s not the idea. The idea is to get into as soon as possible, but not sooner. Because there are really some like diehard, ecological, dynamic theories it’s, it’s, it’s straight away but I don’t, I don’t think it’s a, it’s like a, it’s a practical idea, but yes, as soon as possible, it’s not a coincidence that, that compare it to.

Like 20 years ago that there was no way, there was no way that basketball players all around the world could have learned to shoot like they do now. It’s all, it’s all over the place, not just in the NBA, but also in the international, but basketball in the women’s game too. [00:23:00] And it’s, it’s every place and it would wouldn’t have happened.

Had had the goats in techniques, not changed with the old but there’s another little drop star it would never have happened. It’s it’s, it’s, it’s all in there. It’s, it’s home much more efficiently. The, the, the, the idea is, is to, to go like straight into the context and work against the defender work, work with different shots instead of repetition after repetition.

You know, the proof is all there in the game. It wouldn’t have happened if it wouldn’t have happened this way had the coaching theories not changed.

Mike Klinzing: [00:23:45] What does a great shooting practice look like? If I’m a player who let’s say I’m a 17 year, eight, 18 year old, pretty good player that is trying to improve my shot.

What does it, what does a good shooting workout look like? What are some things that I should be incorporating? If [00:24:00] I’m a trainer of one of those players, or maybe I’m just a player listening and I want to go out on my own and I want to work my shot, or I want to get a buddy. That’s going to help me to work on my shot with a D a defense against me.

What does that look like?

Harri Mannonen: [00:24:15] It’s it looks like it looks like intensive play with Lego. A little bit different set ups. It’s it will look like play, like, like, like, like they’re playing against each other, but with starting with, from a, from a little bit different setups,

Mike Klinzing: [00:24:39] what would be an example? Just give us one example of the way you might set up.

Okay. We’re going to get into this shot. What does that set up look like?

Harri Mannonen: [00:24:47] Okay. It might be like if you’re working on, if you’re working on has to close out. Okay. You might have, if you’ve got two players and a coach, the coach might be on the perimeter making the past. [00:25:00] Yeah. The defenders starting from some from some blends where you want, where you want for, for him to close off from.

And then, but then the coach throws the best through the shooter behind the three point line, then that’s the claws out. And then there’s the D season, either the shirt or maybe one people drive to the basket. Oh, wonderful. So it’s a side step and a three-pointer and then, then that’s it. Then, then they go for another repetition.

If there’s a drive, they may, they might be also battle for the, for the offensive rebound, but it’s, it’s, it’s like, it’s like play with, but with the little different rules. So, so that the emphasis is on shooting because if they need to be doing like five or five the whole time there are so rare closeout situations that, that you really don’t get the reps, but, but, but then if you, if you put in life defender, okay, then you get X and, and if you’ve got [00:26:00] two players, that’s like a practical, practical setup to get the shot, to get somewhere.

Mike Klinzing: [00:26:06] Yeah, that makes complete sense. I think that when you think about what is commonly called the games based approach, it’s a, it’s a similar look to that. Where you’re you, as the coach are setting those parameters, you’re setting up those constrictions. You’re setting up the way that the draw, the drill itself begins.

And by doing that, you’re allowing the player to work under game-like conditions. But as you said, you’re also able to increase the amount of reps that they get under those game-like conditions, as opposed to a player just shooting shot after shot, after shot, after shot, after shot, where it’s one dribble jumps out this way, one dribble jump shot that way, shooting off the catch.

And yeah, you might get a lot of reps up, but how much of those reps are really translating into. You becoming a better shooter. And I think it speaks to kind of what you’ve talked about earlier, where the player has to have a certain grasp of [00:27:00] the fundamentals of shooting to begin with. And then as early as you possibly can get a defender in front of that shooter so that they can practice shooting, like it might look in a game.

And to me that makes a ton of sense. I mean, obviously the transference of learning is going to happen much more efficiently. If what you’re seeing while you’re practicing is similar to what you’re going to see when you actually play.

Harri Mannonen: [00:27:24] Yeah. And then, then again, like it’s not like a strict rule that there needs to be a defender the whole time like even, even in that trail if, if, if, if the player say, if she’s she’s traveling the whole time, when she’s taking a side step one, dribble sidestep, and then a three point, or if she’s traveling the whole time then we, then we might take.

Well, if the defender for a few reps so that she gets the hang of it, you know how it goes without traveling and then go back to live, then making sure that the first time the defender calls closes [00:28:00] out, then she you know, forces her to take that the thing that she’s just been working on, and then you go live again and then that’s, that’s how it goes.

It’s not like strictly that, that the defender needs to be there the whole time. I also might, I also might have a, or I do have I go, well, I go the shooting drill, like make five three-pointers. Okay. And then you go like that, then there will be some restrictions so that you might have like 1, 1, 1 dribble close out the left.

One people close out the right. Wonderful a sidestep to before a three-pointer to left side and one to one side step to the right side, and then one off the catch, and then you need to make one of all of those so that there’s better eye ability. There’s no defense, but there still where I appeal it.

Mike Klinzing: [00:28:58] Absolutely. That makes a ton of sense. I [00:29:00] think what I hear you saying repeatedly in response to my questions is as a coach, you have to have a feel for what’s needed in the moment. And you also have to understand your player and you also have to be observant as to what they’re doing while they’re performing the skill.

I know in the past I can think of practices that I’ve been to. Teams are working on shooting and the coach sets up a shooting drill for the whole team and then the coach and his assistant go and stand over on the side and talk. And they’re not really observing what’s going on when the players are shooting.

And I think that happens far less than it used to, but if you’re going to be able to understand and assess what your players need and where they are sort of on this spectrum of, do I need reps without the defense? Do I need reps with the defense too? Can I add some decision-making it’s basically the coach has to be hyper aware of what is going on so that they can make the right decision and put the [00:30:00] player in the best position to improve their skill and ultimately transfer that learning to a game.

Harri Mannonen: [00:30:05] Oh, that’s, that’s the, that’s the most, most important element. If you talk about complex basketball also, that’s the most important element. It goes to the, the complex system. No, no too complex system work in the same way. So the goal is to be observing what happens and what the system needs to become more efficient.

And he can’t know that in advance, he needs to be observing what’s what’s happening on the, on the floor and within the team, like from practice to practice, like all the practices are based on the, all my practices are based on the previous game. You know, what, what happened in there? How are we getting improve on that?

You know, Gump the next game. That’s that, that’s really how I think of. [00:31:00]

Mike Klinzing: [00:31:00] When you start to consider, this is something that I think a lot of coaches, I don’t know if struggle with, but it’s a question I think a lot of coaches always have is, especially when you’re talking about in season practices, how much do, how do you think about the concept of working on the system as a whole?

So I’m working on my authentic, I’m working on my defense. I’m working on full court pressure. I’m working on my zone offense versus I’m working on the individual skill development of my players because ultimately the success of my offensive system depends on the individual skills of my players, which the more skilled they are, the better they’re able to execute.

Yeah, what it is that I want to do. So how do you, I think coaches, a lot of times struggle where in the off season, that’s where you’ll see them put a lot of time into player development, but in season, I think it’s easy for [00:32:00] that to get lost based on coaches, wanting to spend more time on the tactical sort of whole system.

So how would you talk to a coach about dividing up and looking at the split between the amount of time working on individual skill development versus the skill development of the system as a

Harri Mannonen: [00:32:16] whole? Well, th they are interwoven. They can’t be separated. So it’s, it’s like the, the collective, the collective diamonds is the, is, is where the games are.

So it’s, it’s the collective skill that, that, that, you know that decides who’s the winner, who’s the loser because two teams play against each other. So it’s the collective skill of the team, but then that’s, that depends on the, on the, like the individual tactical diamonds, because if the players don’t understand, understand like the individual, if, if, if they are not tactically any good, the team is [00:33:00] not going to be tactically any good.

Okay. Then the tactical diamonds is, is dependent on the other technical dimension because it doesn’t really matter how smart the players are if they can’t technically execute it. And then the technical dimension is dependent on the, on the physical capabilities of the players. And so it takes longer time to develop the physical capabilities.

Then, okay. The technical diamonds and techs sort of thing than the physical, physical diamonds, but it’s still longer than the tactical diamonds, because you’re going to improve the tactical Batman. So in a short time, but if that’s all you do, if that’s all you do, then, then you run around sort of the, like the technical skills of the players.

So that even so that they can’t like execute any more tactical stuff. So it needs to be interval. [00:34:00] And that’s something that needs to be like on Cedar. So, so that you don’t overlook like the physical training or the tech, the technical training or, or the individual tactical training for, for that, you don’t sacrifice it for the, for, for, for like, like the collective scale, collective tactical skill training.

And I think that, that comes down to how your, how your practices are designed also how your how we are how your offensive and defensive tactics are designed. That’s that’s, that’s like something you can sit, but right from, from that.

Mike Klinzing: [00:34:41] Okay. So when you start looking at your team as a coach, and obviously from year to year, depending upon what level you coach at your team may be quite different where players graduate or leave school, or go to another team or [00:35:00] whatever.

So you have a whole new set of players, or at least you have some of the players that are part of your team are changing from year to year. So when you look at. Trying to design the system for those players to play at how important is it to you or do you think it should be to a coach to have a tremendous understanding of what their players are capable of doing, and then putting those players into a role within the complex system.

In other words, I could have five great players who are all potentially guys that could score 20 points a game, but they’re really sort of one dimensional players, but yet everybody on the outside we look and go, wow, these guys are fantastic. They got all these, they got all this scoring, but yet they may not have a guy who’s a great screen setter, or they might have a guy who’s a great defender and they may not have that player.

That’s a tremendous offensive rebounder. So how do you think about that as a coach making the pieces fit and then designing your system around that? How do you approach that [00:36:00] maybe problem or challenge that coaches face frequently?

Harri Mannonen: [00:36:09] I think there’s, there’s like a, there are like do different things in here. Like if you talk about the offensive system, there are like two different phases of the, of the offense. Like the first phase or one phase is, is way where there is no advantage. So, so that the defense is messed up and there’s no advantage for the office.

And the other, other one is like, where you do have the advantage so that someone is driving and, and getting past this, we’re getting past her defender. So, so there are like two different pages and that like, when you the face where the, where, where the advantage has been created, That can be like pre the previous email from, from team to team.

So how you, how you run it, how you run the continuation, like you get into a drive and geek basically, so that someone is [00:37:00] going through the basket. Someone might be diving, but most of the players will be out at the three point line. And then that can be quite similar. But, but then the, then the, how you create the advantage that will be bent wholly on your personal, like who’s there might be a lot of posts ups.

If you have a, have a good post a player, or there might be none at all, like during the season, they may maybe none at all. If you don’t have a good poster player, then you, then you have a, like a great point guard and no one else is handling the ball. Then all the big arrows might be 1 0 5 or one or four, or then you, then you have two guards then, then what.

Like a one to five and two, five to big envelopes. It, it will depend on, on, on you who you got, how are you tried to create the advantage, but then once you have the advantage I [00:38:00] think the it can be white, white, white, the same will act from, from citizen disease.

Mike Klinzing: [00:38:09] I think from the standpoint of understanding again, your players, understanding what they’re capable of doing, and then making sure, as you said, look, I’ve got a good post player.

We’ve got to take advantage of that by getting this player, the ball in the post. And how do we tweak what we do to make sure that that happens. Or maybe we have a player who boy, they can really get up in the air and we need to set more batteries to get them LOBs up by the basket. And you may have teams in different years that don’t have a player with that capability.

So maybe that piece of it is. A part of your offense. And I think that’s really a key to being a successful coach is being able to understand what your players can and cannot do. And then you design that greater system around them. The other thing that you mentioned in the book that you talk [00:39:00] about is how the, the ability that a player has from a physical standpoint, their physical capabilities may they might have the technical skill, but if the player is going to get tired after the first quarter, they may no longer be able to execute that technical skill in such a way that it contributes to the tactical way that the coach is designing their offensive system.

So just talk a little bit about how important that physical capability is, and then kind of how you feel that fits into what the coach needs to be aware of as they’re coaching their team.

Harri Mannonen: [00:39:33] Oh the The whole thing starts with the physical capabilities. You know, if, if, if, if the players don’t have some kind of endurance, they’re not going to be able to practice in the first place in the, in a, in a meaningful way. So then they need to be able to practice and then they need, then they need to be able to go like all out [00:40:00] it’s it’s it’s a lot of times it’s like you know, if you watch a lot of, lot of basketball teams, like they never, the players never really ran full speed.

Like if you really take an honest look they never run full speed. And, and you know, to me the coaching always starts when, when players really go full speed, you know before that it’s, it’s all like retention. It’s it’s, it’s, it’s really not it’s it’s, it’s really like you watch some of the NBA game.

And, and it’s, it’s not you can’t watch it. If the players are not going full speed why should you be watching, watching that if they don’t care enough to be going full speed? Why, why should anybody watch it? And, and, and that to me is something like, if, if a player gets one, if we can play it, doesn’t run full speed, like voluntarily without being screamed at or anything.

Why should that be coaching? [00:41:00] What’s what’s the point. If this is not running full speed, what bad advice can I give her? There’s really no, it’s, it’s it all starts when, when the players players have that mindset that when the time comes, they’re running full speed all out.

So, so without being screamed at, or without anything like, like, like just because it’s part of the game, that’s, that’s how it’s played and, and you can’t be, you, you won’t be able to do that if you, if you’re not like. In, in a good condition. So I was always, it always starts there. We’ve been doing this right.

Mike Klinzing: [00:41:41] It starts with endurance. And then to go along with that, to your point, I think it was, I think it’s a Jeff van Gogh, van Gundy, quote, I believe said something to the effect of, I don’t want to have to coach. I shouldn’t have to coach your effort. I’m here to coach basketball. I shouldn’t have to coach your effort.

And if I’m having to coach your [00:42:00] effort, then you’re probably not going to ever have success. And it’s going to take a coach to get you, as you said, to play hard and play hard. Well, well,

Harri Mannonen: [00:42:08] did that, you can say that that a lot of times, you know players are not fully aware when they should be going like full speed when, when it’s, when it’s like what’s, what’s demanded.

So, so that it, it, it, everything needs to be like crystal clear, So what the system is where they need to be going full speed. And when we do something, right?

Mike Klinzing: [00:42:32] Yeah, that’s a great point because I think one of the things that, and I know that you’ve seen games like this, I think as you go down to younger levels or less experienced levels, what you see is kids players going a hundred miles an hour with no concept of what they’re actually trying to accomplish by going that fast.

And then you go and you watch the game at the highest level. [00:43:00] And what you see are guys moving, using fakes using change of speeds and in such a way that players at lower levels, I mean, you watch a high school game compared to a college game. You watch a college game compared to an NBA game. And by the time you get to the professional level, those players at the professional level, you could sit court side at an NBA game.

And a lot of the game, those players are not moving very fast. And, and yet there are these just super unbelievable explosive moments where they know when they’re supposed to be going fast and they know when they’re supposed to be going slow. And when they’re going slow, it’s not because they’re playing hard.

It’s because they’ve built such a, an understanding of how the game is played, that they’re able to use those changes speeds. Whereas you watch an eight year old play and that eight year old gets the ball and they are just dribbling as fast as they possibly can. Right from the get go. And you [00:44:00] could say, well that kid’s really playing hard.

And in the context of being an eight year old, they are. But when you think about how to really play the game, it’s not, I’m running as fast as I can, the entire game it’s I know when I’m supposed to move fast and I know when I’m supposed to move.

Harri Mannonen: [00:44:16] Yeah. You’re, you’re, you’re absolutely, absolutely right. And that’s, that’s how it works, but still at any level, maximum effort is sometimes, sometimes like what’s what’s needed.

Absolutely. And that’s, that’s something where it’s where it starts. And then, you know you know, building like gradually you’re building like other physical, physical capabilities too, like jumping up that’s that’s really like that’s, that’s important. And, and how, how, how quickly around, but it’s, it’s all, it’s all like interwoven into [00:45:00] the, into the bag basketball practice.

So, so, so I I don’t believe at all, like in the, in the old periodization where you, where you work on physical abilities during the summer, and then gradually use that during like Andy Reed or basketball stuff, and then you move into the, and then you move into technical tactical stuff. I don’t believe that at all, because it’s not the ideal way to make sure that the transference happens.

I always, I’ve only done baseball, but sometimes so that every time we start practicing in the first practice, in the first practice, we need to be going five on five big was big. It was evident that there was that. So everything we do before that. We go into the, then we go into the 5 on 5 at some point of the practice because that’s when it all comes together.

If they can’t do it, they should be able to do [00:46:00] it like at some level at the end of the first practice, like do the, do the drive and kick, then there’s no set plays or anything maybe, but, but there’s the drive and give the baby a transition and then do the driving cake. And then if they can’t, if they can’t do it then it might be too complicated for that team.

Then, then you might, you might need to be doing something, something simpler because it’s, it’s, it’s like the team tactics should be as simple as possible, as simple as possible because then you have the time to work on the technical stuff and the physical capabilities. And make sure that the transference happens to the, to the game.

As soon as, as soon as you sound at something that’s due, that’s unnecessarily complicated, you are taking away from the, [00:47:00] from the technical stuff where they’re going away from the physical training and for no reason to know well, so everything needs to be as simple as possible, but not simpler.

Mike Klinzing: [00:47:14] I think ultimately what you, as the coach want to make sure that you do as you’re putting together a practice is to understand that whatever it is that you’re working on ultimately has to be transferred into. Five on five play. Cause so often thinking back in the past, there’s things that coaches have done just you know, off the top of my head.

So a three man weave, there’s almost no scenario ever where a three man weave type of action is going to take place in a basketball game. So what is it that we’re actually practicing when we do that? And there’s lots of other examples, but that’s just a simple one where, okay, what is it that we’re really trying to get out of this drill?

I think [00:48:00] sometimes coaches see drills, you see it, whether it’s again on the internet or you’ve watched a practice, you’re like, oh, I like that drill. But then what is it actually trying to do? What is it gonna help my team do in a five on five setting within my system? I think that’s one of the things that coaches sometimes get caught up in is we like the drill and we like how it looks, but we don’t necessarily think about the way that it transfers to what we’re actually trying to do when we put our team out on the four or five on five.

Harri Mannonen: [00:48:29] Oh, yeah. That’s that’s exactly. I, I think all of the cultures have gone through the, through the phase where they run drills for the, for the sake of running drills. I think everyone has done that before, before they have learned absolutely how to implement thrills, that that actually help help the play better with, within the system of play that, that the team has.

And one of the things is that even if, even if a drill is useful, [00:49:00] you know, it might be so complicated that it takes a lot of, a lot of time to learn that really so true. And, and, and then even if it was useful, you’re spending a lot of time on, on learning the drill and and, and, and that doesn’t transfer to a game for full service.

So-so that everything needs to be as simple as possible. I’ve given a blank. You know, most of the, most of the trails and just try to come up with something that that needs to be worked on. And then we just bought in like might be a small sided gamer or whatever, but needed. I don’t know, that’s that’s needed on the do, do help the phase of the game that we need to work on.

And it might be something that we haven’t done before, but everybody needs to be

Mike Klinzing: [00:49:52] All right. That being said, you wrap up your book with just some examples of drills or things that coaches can [00:50:00] do to improve what they do in practice. So some specific drill, some specific scenarios that you can set up. Is there one or two of those that are simplistic enough for you to explain just with audio so that coaches can understand that?

Is there a favorite or two that you have that you could share with our audience?

Harri Mannonen: [00:50:20] Well, basically like the close I’ll drill that, that we discussed discussed before. But I think that I think that

I th I think that you use it, like, like a Mo the really important thing is, is like to look into the, look into the practice design and how it’s done. And and like then, then build it. So, so that the transference happens to do what, what you, what do you hope to accomplish? And that’s, that’s where, that’s where it is more, more than that than in the, in the, in the, with individual drills.

It’s like, [00:51:00] you have a, it’s like you have, I always have a structure, the practice pretty much the same way, like, like day in, day out. We start with the suit and drill to get some, get some solid saying, and it’s very appealing and it’s it’s how should I say that? That might be like my, oh, in my favor, because we started started there every day or to be exact, we don’t start with it, but, but I think that if they’re going to go through them.

Yeah, yes,

Mike Klinzing: [00:51:34] absolutely. That would be, that’d be fantastic. Go through the, exactly. What, what does she look like?

Harri Mannonen: [00:51:39] But the basic structure is more, more, more or less the same all through the season. Like w we started with we started with like like we, we started by doing like a little, little. It might be a yoga exercise or whatever, or [00:52:00] it might be like a lower back exercise.

That’s something that we’ve been doing just lying on the floor and doing the lower back exercise for a minute or so. And then there’s silence for a minute and you can even call it mindfulness or meditation or whatever, but basically it’s silence. So, so that that’s when the practice starts, there’s a little, like little physical effort before that.

So, so that, so that the heart rate goes a little up and then, then there’s a minute of silence so that the heart rate goes back down again. And after that, there’s no like a discussion about anything besides, besides what, what needs to be done in the gym and that’s how it starts. And I think it’s really, really worth your time to do minutes into this because, you know It basically, to me, it changes the whole thing.

It makes the players might be coming from school [00:53:00] or wherever, wherever they have been. And then they’re getting there and it all stops there and there then there’s nothing but basketball out of that. And you draw a lot of a clear line where the basketball practice starts. And then we go into the suit in trail and that’s like, it’s, it’s called range, but it really doesn’t have anything to do with trains because now, now we’ve gone through no, we go and do we always, we start by shooting.

Three-pointers like right from the beginning, the first shots of three-pointers and there’s like a paired up. And then there’s a bachelor and a shooter and, and the best model might be calling like 1, 2, 3, 4, And the sooner needs to be like that 1, 2, 3, 4, 3 bullets before the shot, she might be like closing out.

Then, then there needs to be like a, like [00:54:00] a close out drive or she might be, might be calling in for the, she might be the best or might be got into the corner. And then there needs to be she’s asking for the past, the shooter passes it there, then relocates, and then there’s another path. And then there’s the shot.

Okay. If there’s an existent, cause you know, gypsy might be like going from basket to basket and, and, and randomly asking for passes. So, so that there’s variability the whole time. There’s no defense basically because that’s the, that’s the warmup drill. So, so we don’t want to luckily ski injuries or anything, but is what I ability three balls and, and, and, you know passes, relocate.

Stop left and three pointers, right? From the beginning, people we want to shoot three boners. If we are outside, we want, if we’re on the perimeter, we want to shoot three pointers. Now we start with that. And that’s, that’s always the, always the beginning so that we get some sets in. Then we do [00:55:00] like a basic, basic, like, okay.

Functional functional, like a warm up drills, dig and ride ride from the FIFA 11 plus program, or  from that, which is, do you know the FIFA bus program?

Mike Klinzing: [00:55:21] I’m not familiar with it. Maybe share that

Harri Mannonen: [00:55:24] it’s like an injury prevention program test that’s proven to work and then modified it and, and splitting it into like different it, we don’t do it all at once, but like, like four minutes of that, then we do like something, something end to end, like, like in a, in a lay up drill or something.

And there might be some biometric. And then we go into like some technical drills. There may be a defense, there may be no defense, but then they are all like designed so that once we go into [00:56:00] the small side, more sided games we want the technical reels to transfer to what we do there. So if it doesn’t happen well, it should happen.

You know, we, we get, we want to get the transparency and then we go into five and five, and then we want what we did in the small sided games. One to transfer it to the, do the 5 0 5. And it’s, it’s like it’s like based on the previous game or on the next game if they are pressing into the next game, we working against the present.

So, but also in the previous game, you know what we can improve on next. Well, I, I mean, come the next game. How are we going to be better than it, where we were in the previous game? And then there are some, some constants like that we will, we’re going to hold like shooting physical training so that they need to be worked on, but worked on the whole [00:57:00] time.

But then a lot of technical technical stuff, a lot of that depends on the previous game or on the, on the next game. And there’s always like we go, we go from, from lagging might be one-on-one than small sided games, then five on five, or then just one-on-one and then five on five, and then transference, if there’s no transference we haven’t accomplished anything.

And so we, we want to, like, we can, we can hail a bit, like if we work in on the big end roll, we go small sided game. The three on three stuff with the big end intro, then we go five on five, we stopped with the big role just at the duke layers. And then we go into it just to make sure that the Dennistoun has happened.

Mike Klinzing: [00:57:50] So you get that progression all through the practice.

Harri Mannonen: [00:57:53] That’s

Mike Klinzing: [00:57:56] yeah, I think that’s really good stuff. When you start talking about, [00:58:00] if you’re working on a specific skill, you’re working on it from the very beginning of practice and you’re slowly adding layers of complexity to that skill. And again, as a coach, if you’re paying attention, if you’re aware, if you’re designing the practice in such a way that you’re getting your players, lots of reps at the particular skill that they need to work on based on what you’ve seen in previous practices or previous games or what they may need to do in an upcoming game, like you said, and you’re slowly building it from.

Sort of a simpler model where they may be doing it without a defense, but there’s still variability to where they’re doing it with a defense and a small side of game to then they’re eventually applying that skill in a five on five setting where it’s completely dynamic and complex and you have all that decision-making, that is a part of it.

And I think that as you go through, and I think about what you shared with us today and after having an opportunity to go through and read your book. And I think about all the things that you’ve been able [00:59:00] to put together. Coaches can think about to, to really help improve how they designed their practices to get as what you said, the word that you keep coming back to is that transference of learning that you want, whatever you do in practice, you want to make sure that that’s having a positive impact on the player’s performance and the team’s performance.

When you actually play in a five on five game until we start having one-on-one leagues it’s going to be more important that the player is able to do things at a five on five level. The last thing I want to ask you when it comes to practice design, and I know this varies based on the ages of the players, but in your mind, what, how long do you think a practice should be?

Is there, and again, I know you’re not going to say that every practice should be an hour and a half, but when you think about the length of a practice, how do you think about that with the teams that you’ve coached?

Harri Mannonen: [00:59:55] Well, At the really difficult part is, [01:00:00] is that, is that one, once you reach the point where the players really go hard, you can’t go for too long because otherwise you’re killing.

Therefore, if you, if you get, if you expect for them to play hard for, for two hours, it’s not going to happen because it’s, it’s physically impossible. The Matador runners they are not sprinting that they are doing the Matador run and they need to slow now. And if you want to go hard, you can’t go for two hours, like play five on five, but they need to be, they need to be like quite short.

That’s, that’s how, that’s why you need to be building it up. That’s why you need to be going from the technical stuff and, and, and have something, something that can transfer. It’s not just that at the, at the end of the season. Okay. You might skip one of the technical stuff because it’s, it’s with.

If you only have like one game left or whatever, [01:01:00] because the game needs to be full speed the whole time. Otherwise it’s not going to, it’s not going to transfer to the, to the game. Then it’d be going hard if, if you know, but you can’t go for too long, otherwise, otherwise the intensity will be go. And, and even if this sounds like in a way, this just simple, like the way, the way, but, but the the the, what the difficult part is, is in, in seeing what’s not there yet.

Like, if you talk about the roles on the, on the team, like, like how you, how you choose what you do you are not limited to what the players can do at the moment, but then you also need to have an imagination what they will be, do what they will be able to do. Go in February. And, and, you know that’s really something that, and then you need to be working on [01:02:00] that, like technically back again, so on to make it happen.

And if you are limited, like if you’re limited to what they can do at the beginning of the season, you will get nowhere. You, you need to be like seeing in the future and see what they can do. And it’s, it’s the same thing with the play. It’s, it’s, it’s like, it’s not so simple that you can like, they technically, you can’t like, because it’s a complex system, they, they will be emergence.

They will be unexpected things happen. So the real question, it goes to it, like, how are you going to prepare players for, for emergence and still be relevant, still make sure that the transparency. I’ve used a lot of I’ve used some deals where the differential learning method is, is used. And it’s really something that the, the [01:03:00] movement patterns there will not resemble what happens in games situation.

And it’s really like, but it can’t prepare players for, for what will happen. What will emerge that the, the real question is how you prepare players for the unexpected or how you, how what the players will be able to do like six months from now and how you, how you start building a building for that.

That’s like really, really the skill, the stuff that I explained is it’s like a, that’s like really straightforward stuff. But then the real skill is, is in, in, in finding the what’s not there yet.

Mike Klinzing: [01:03:47] And that’s from a coach having that, that comes down to the coach, having a feel, whether that comes from experience, whether that comes from study, whether that comes from understanding.

So they have to have a feel [01:04:00] for what’s happened to them in the past, what’s happened to teams, how other players have progressed, how their teams, what they’ve coached have progressed. But then it also comes down to what we talked about earlier, which is the coach being able to have an understanding and knowledge of what their players and what their key, what their team is capable of doing now, and then being able to.

What they can do in the future. And that obviously impacts everything that we’ve talked about today. It impacts the type of drills that you selected input. It impacts what roles you put players into. It, it impacts how long that practice should be. Like there’s some teams that might be able to handle a little bit longer practice and continue to go hard.

There may be other teams that they get to a certain point and you get diminishing returns because they’re not getting the full benefit of the reps because for whatever reason, the intensity starts to drop. And so you as a coach have to understand that not only that, but that varies, that can vary from day to day.

We all know we’re all human beings, right? So players, some [01:05:00] days you’re just, everybody’s on it. And other days it’s just like, Ugh we don’t, we don’t have it today. Staying here for two hours, isn’t going to benefit us too much. We’re probably going to end up losing our effectiveness. So as a coach, it seems like you really have to have a feel and you back up that field.

And understanding of your team with an understanding of the technical things that we’ve talked about today, and you combine those, and then you as a coach, try to make the best decisions possible to put your team in the best position to have a practice that’s going to lead to transference of learning to an actual five-on-five game setting.

I think that’s, I think that’s what we’re talking about here, for sure.

Harri Mannonen: [01:05:39] Yeah. And it’s, it’s also that, that the coach needs to be like, even in things up. So, so, so that so that the practice intensity will be there day in and day out. So what’s, what’s helping with that is like never overreaching, so that there’s [01:06:00] always left something for that for the next.

So that you are not killing the team. Even if you go full speed, you are not killing the team, but you are preparing them for the next day. And then it also helps if you have a proper preparation for the, for the practice. So, so that there’s really so that no matter, no matter what kind of a day they have had, or the coach has had we will start pretty much at the same place every day so that we are never overreaching.

We are going hard, but we are never, never overreaching. And then one of the questions, the questions becomes like because you can’t go full speed, you can’t go eat tensive scrimmaging the whole time. Then what do you do the rest of the time? What kind of like a low intensity they can go through or back to tactical, real scan you implement that will translate.

[01:07:00] Yeah, well, without we, even without them being like physically intense, that’s also one of the, one of the key questions, because all right, you need to have full speed, full intensity screaming thing, but you can’t do just that. You also need to have, need to have some, some other stuff that you do. And that’s where like the differential learning methods that I, that I mentioned, that, that they come into come into play.

Mike Klinzing: [01:07:30] Absolutely. I think that when you put it, put this all together, it’s not easy to put it all together. It sounds simple. And we know that coaching is, it can boil down to some simple things, but it also requires you to have a tremendous understanding of the game itself, a tremendous understanding of how learning occurs and how that transfer of learning translates to.

Five on five [01:08:00] situations. And when you do all those things, as you said, I, I think the word that you mentioned just a second ago was preparation that a coach has to put a tremendous amount of thought and preparation into practice. You can’t just roll into practice and think, okay, well, we’re going to put together some stuff that I remember from this or that there really has to be clear and cohesive thought put into the practice design, and that happens on a daily basis.

So there’s a progression, but it also happens over the course of, from practice to practice, practice over the course of the season. That there’s a progression, as you said, trying to think about. Not only what your team is capable of doing right in the moment, but also what they’re capable of doing three months from now or six months from now.

And how do we get them to that next level of performance through the way that we design our practices. Hari, I just want to say thanks to you for jumping out with us today. There’s been a tremendous amount of great information in terms of practice design. Before we wrap up, [01:09:00] I want to give you an opportunity to let people know where they can find out more about your work, where they can connect with you, whether you want to share a website, email, social media, anything that can allow people who have listened tonight to reach out to you.

If they’re interested in learning more about some of the things that we’ve talked about,

Harri Mannonen: [01:09:19] oh, I’m on Twitter. Just checking who I am on Twitter

Mike Klinzing: [01:09:26] will be the first one. Once you find it, we’ll put it in the show notes. So people able to find it.

Harri Mannonen: [01:09:31] What’s my, where, where does it say.

Mike Klinzing: [01:09:36] Yeah. See, normally I’d have my co-host Jason. He would already look to, you would already looked you up, but since, since he’s not with me, it will have to, we’ll have to find you. So I’m going to find, I’m going to see you.

Harri Mannonen: [01:09:49] Yeah, that’s just my first name and my last name. That’s all all put together. And then when I got up, then I got a whole pitch. [01:10:00] Oh, that’s simple to remind and.com.

Mike Klinzing: [01:10:04] Those are two really simple and easy ways that you can find out more about what Harri is doing. He’s got a lot of great information on his website.

He’s got a blog. There’s a lot of good things there. If you get an opportunity to pick up his book, complex basketball systems, I think it’s something that any coach could benefit from. Learning some of the things that he’s put out there about practice design and hopefully our audience, if you’re listening out there, you found a lot of benefit in today’s episode because there was just a lot of things I think that coaches could take from what we talked about and begin to apply right away to their coaching.

So Harri, again, just want to say thanks to you for jumping out with us. Really appreciate it. And to everyone out there, thanks for listening. And we will catch you on our next episode.

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