DYLAN MIHALKE – OKLAHOMA UNIVERSITY MEN’S BASKETBALL DIRECTOR OF ANALYTICS & ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF VIDEO OPERATIONS – EPISODE 882

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Dylan Mihalke is the Director of Analytics and Assistant Director of Video Operations at Oklahoma University under Head Coach Porter Moser where he previously served as a graduate assistant.

Prior to joining the Sooners Mihalke spent three seasons as a student manager for the men’s basketball team at the University of Iowa under Head Coach Fran McCaffery.

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What We Discuss with Dylan Mihalke

• Getting to know what your head coach wants and how he wants it
• “When it’s the first year for everybody in a new program, everybody’s kind of learning it.”
• “Being full time just gives me more ownership of my craft and gives me  just a better sense of belonging.”
• Making sure the coaching staff is all on the same page when it comes to video and scouting
• The value in having been at Oklahoma for three seasons in terms of his understanding of how Coach Moser wants things done
• How Oklahoma divides up scouting amongst the staff
• Studying the analytics on opposing players to share in the scouting report
• “There’s really not just one way to win in college basketball.”
• “The biggest thing I would advise a younger manager, GA.  video coordinator, even assistant coaches, just keep a library of all the best plays you see best schemes you see just interesting strategies that you see from different coaches, because there’s so many smart coaches out there.”
• Concepts from Baylor’s offense and Iowa State’s defense that he really likes
• Learning how to learn when it comes to x and o film work
• How Coach Moser uses “Get Better” Film sessions before practice to pour into players and help them improve
• “I’ll pull at least five to five to ten clips every day for each one of our players and  I’ll either give them to one of our assistants to watch with them or I’ll send it to them myself.”
• The process for breaking down practice film
• Do players feel pressure based on practice film or stats?
• “As technology’s grown, I think the game of basketball has grown as well  both in strategy, and also in how we best use video and how we best use analytics.”
• “The biggest trend I’ve seen is just how teams are effectively using the transfer portal.”
• What analytics on individual players in the transfer portal carry over to their new team?
• “One thing we’ve been trying to emphasize is limiting turnovers offensively and forcing turnovers defensively.”
• The importance of paint touches both offensively and defensively
• A typical game day at Oklahoma
• The ability to have video on the bench this season for the first time
• “It’s a business of W’s and L’s but the people along with you for the ride, I think are so special.”
• “One of the things I love most about basketball is it brings people from such unique, diverse backgrounds together and it makes them have one common goal, one common cause that they’re all fighting for.”

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TRANSCRIPT FOR DYLAN MIHALKE – OKLAHOMA UNIVERSITY MEN’S BASKETBALL DIRECTOR OF ANALYTICS & ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF VIDEO OPERATIONS – EPISODE 882

[00:00:00] Mike Klinzing: Hello and welcome to the Hoop Heads Podcast. It’s Mike Klinzing here with my co-host Jason Sunkel tonight and we are pleased to be joined for the second time by Dylan Mihalke, Men’s Basketball Director of Video Operations and Analytics at the University of Oklahoma. Dylan, welcome back.

[00:00:18] Dylan Mihalke: Thanks guys. Appreciate you guys having me on again.

[00:00:24] Mike Klinzing: Absolutely. We are thrilled to have you on for our second time puts you in a, I don’t know if it’s as exclusive of a club as it used to be, but certainly we haven’t had that many people on twice. So welcome back. We’re excited to be able to talk to you and just kind of get an update on where you are in your career.

When we last left you, you were in a graduate assistant position at the University of Oklahoma, and since then you have progressed through one job into another new job. So, talk to us a little bit about sort of the titles that you’ve had and kind of where you are, and then we’ll dive into what you’re doing day to day.

[00:00:59] Dylan Mihalke: Yeah, no, absolutely. No, it’s been unbelievable I guess. almost getting going into my third year here at OU under coach Moser. And no, it’s been an unbelievable ride and it’s been really, really amazing how coach has kind of elevated my role each year that I’ve been here.

I obviously, like you mentioned, started off as when I came in, I had never met coach Moser and I just have, obviously I heard great things about him and  I was blessed enough to get an opportunity as a GA to work for him and to learn from him and such but over the past nearly, going to my third year now we’ve developed an amazing relationship on and off the court. He’s been an amazing role model as a father, as a husband, as a coach, as a male role model for me to follow after and learn from. And so it’s been awesome.

And like I mentioned starting from a GA and then to be able to obviously now work full time from saying I’m blessed would be an understatement, but also I think the best thing for me that I’ve learned and that I’ve grown in is just being able to being able to work for him is something where I think a lot of times I shouldn’t even say the role of being a video coordinator, but just any staff member, you kind of learn the way of your head coach and how he operates and how he works.

And that’s been able to give me a unique sense of belonging, but also a unique sense of being able to know what he wants and when he wants it and kind of how he wants different things in terms of scouting, recruiting. game planning practice, et cetera.

[00:02:43] Mike Klinzing: So how long were you into your tenure, whether it was as a GA or as you got more into the video room side of it, where you felt like you started to get a handle on those things that you just talked about in terms of what coach Moser was looking for when he was looking for it. When do you feel like you kind of had a feel for exactly what he was looking for?

[00:03:02] Dylan Mihalke: Yeah I think it definitely took me probably six months or so into my first year. But it was the good part about it was I had amazing assistant coaches to learn under an amazing video coordinator when I was a GA Clayton Koster.

And so I had great people kind of pouring into me. And I also had great people to learn from and really take after. And so they were kind of obviously when it’s the first year for everybody in a new program, everybody’s kind of learning it.

And so it kind of allowed me to not be the new guy on the block. Cause we were all kind of new to OU, so to speak. So I think that helped. And also I pride myself on being a quick learner and being able to adapt too.

[00:03:54] Mike Klinzing: What was the transition like going from being a GA and kind of working the job from that angle and obviously having to go to school and that part of it to, okay, now you’re going to get hired on as a full time coach and sort of transition. And I know that. Again, as a GA, not to say that that’s not a full time coaching job, because we all know that it is, but just from a mindset standpoint, how did you approach it?

[00:04:17] Dylan Mihalke: Yeah I think for me obviously on a day to day sense Being a GA, you have to go to class, you have to manage that whole side of things, and so it was really nice not to have to go to class and I could, it was obviously a full time work job there, but also I think  just the professionalism of it and the availability of it, but also  I think when you’re, when you’re a full time staff member as opposed to a GA, you just you feel like you have more accountability and you have more ownership of your craft and such. And so, yes when I was doing a GA, I was doing a lot of video room duties and helping out our video coordinator with a lot of projects and doing that was the bulk of my job.  but now as blessed enough to be head video coordinator, I’m able to really pour into our GAs now and I’m able to pour into their video work and how they’re helping out the assistant coaches and it kind of gives me a unique sense cause I was in their shoes not too long ago.

And so I’m able to really help them out and kind of pour into them similar to how I was poured into and stuff. And so that’s a fulfilling experience. And being full time just gives me more ownership of my craft and gives me  just a better sense of  kind of belonging and a better rapport with the assistant coaches and stuff like that.

[00:05:39] Mike Klinzing: All right. Give us an idea of day to day. What are some of the things, and again, you don’t have to go through your daily schedule, but just what are some of the things that day to day you’re doing in your current position as director of video operations and analytics? What does that look like day to day?

[00:05:56] Dylan Mihalke: Yeah. I think For me obviously every day is different whether you’re in the offseason or in the preseason or now in regular season  but I think  for me, a lot of the day just starts with  getting on the same page with the assistant coaches if they need anything video wise for their scouts I’m pretty heavily involved with every single scout, whether that’s offense, defense, personnel, special teams, all of that.

I’m pretty heavily involved in every part of the scout because every part of it has to do with video or analytics in some way. And so no, it’s just getting on the same page as all the assistant coaches and the scout coach for each game. And then ultimately just getting making sure all the assistants are through video speaking the same language to coach and stuff because you don’t want any disconnect between  the offense and the defense. And you just kind of want to make sure everything’s synced up. And the one thing that has been really, really a blessing for me is throughout my three years here at OU, we’ve had some of our assistants  have really good job opportunities to go off to head coaching jobs et cetera. And so we’ve had some staff turnover and it’s been a blessing for me because I’ve been able to work with a diverse array of just tremendous people.

But also I’ve been able to now being one of the people who have been here the longest under coach, I’m able to really help everybody make sure the terminology is on the same page.  this, we call something different than another program. I call it or whatever. And show them, okay, this is how we do scouts.

This is how coach likes his practice plans to be formatted. This is how he likes his scouting routine, et cetera. And so it’s kind of been a blessing in disguise for me as I’m able to obviously I came from being a GA, the new kid on the block to now  I’m one of the more experienced people in the program.

Exactly. I was going to say don’t look like it all the time. But somehow I’m the veteran around here now, like I said, that’s been a blessing. And to be honest with you, it’s made me even more valuable to a lot of our assistant coaches.  So that’s really helped me.

[00:08:12] Mike Klinzing: How do you guys break down who scouts what opponent? Does one assistant coach get the responsibility for scouting one particular opponent? Is it broken up by offense and defense? What’s your role in that scout? Just go through, let’s say you’re preparing for, just as an example, a conference game.

What does that look like in terms of who’s scouting it and then how you go about getting the material that need, putting that scouting report together? Just kind of walk us through start to finish what that looks like.

[00:08:39] Dylan Mihalke: No, that’s a fantastic question. And I think  obviously every head coach has their own unique style in which they do it.

I think the way that we have it orchestrated here at OU, I think it’s been a really really beneficial scouting process for all of us because we typically  we’ll, because the new rule now where you can have five coaches, five assistant coaches, plus the head coach.

Now we’ll rotate the scouts four ways. And so for the conference games, it gets a little dicey, but for the most part, for non conference, it’s one in every four games, we’ll just rotate who has the scout. And then we have two coaches doing offense, two coaches doing defense.

And then one coach kind of doing our rebounding and special teams and kind of intermediate between both. And so I think it’s good. Cause every game we got obviously one lead scout coach on it, then we also have two assistant coaches watching each side of the ball and can kind of provide an extra set of eyes on it and be able to just continue to have some stability where it’s not a different offensive person every game or a different defensive person every game.

So where you’re switching up things drastically so much game to game and stuff. So I think we have a pretty streamlined, good scouting process. And like I said, the NCAA changing the rules this year to be able to have two additional coaches on the court has really helped us be able to just get more hands on deck.

[00:10:14] Mike Klinzing: That makes sense. And I think when you put that scout together and you’re getting it to coach, what’s the format look like? What does he want to see once that scout is fully prepared? What are the things that are most important to him?

[00:10:28] Dylan Mihalke: Yeah, I’m realizing now I didn’t answer the second part of your question there.

I think for me video wise and I should kind of tie this back to the previous question.  I actually handle all of our personnel for every scout and so using my video and my analytics knowledge I’m able to put together our personnel reports for every player.

I’m able to get the clips that we show the players. I’m able to obviously do, we do kind of a PowerPoint template slide to show the guys as well. So I’m able to do all that. Obviously I utilize analytics heavily in how we prepare for opponents, whether that’s saying, oh, somebody’s better catch and shoot versus off the dribble.

This guy’s more efficient going right than left, whatever that analytic is. I infuse that in all the scouting reports and I try to keep it simple for our players. But I’m able to translate it to the coaches and stuff. But in terms of kind of how we prepare it for coach, It kind of goes back to me being kind of mixed with every coach during the process that I’m able to organize all of the different plays our opponents run.

So I help the scout coach organize that and make sure all the terminology and all the plays are correctly formatted and stuff. And then offensively, I’m able to.  look at work with like I said, the offensive coaches on different actions that might hurt the opponent different ways regarding ball screen coverages and just kind of do almost a quality control check on it and make sure all the video processes and the video is organized in the best way that coach would want it.

[00:12:04] Mike Klinzing: When you’re breaking down and looking at the various tapes of all these opponents that you’ve had an opportunity to study over the last From an X’s and O’s standpoint, obviously your knowledge, I’m sure you would characterize as having grown tremendously in terms of just your understanding of the X’s and O’s on both sides of the ball.

But when you think about a particular area of X’s and O’s that you feel like you’ve really grown in terms of your understanding, maybe compared to where you were when you first started spending a lot of time in the video room, where’s the biggest growth come for you from just the sheer amount of video that you’re getting a chance to watch?

[00:12:45] Dylan Mihalke: No, that’s a, that’s a tremendous question. Because when you’re in the grunt of it a lot of times you don’t realize you don’t take a 30,000 foot view and step back and realize all that I’ve learned. But  the kind of on a macro level, the biggest thing that I’ve learned in  three years here at OU and then even before doing a lot of video work at the University of Iowa as a manager, it’s just  I know it somewhat goes without saying, but I don’t think it’s as obvious to people who don’t study it as in depth as I, or other people do, it’s just there’s really not one way to win in college basketball. I feel like there are so many diverse teams with so many unique skill sets, schemes, whatever you want to say that that have success. Some teams force you left, don’t let you shoot a lot of threes and they have success. Some teams let you shoot a lot of threes, but they contest them all.

And they still have success. Some teams run super fast. Some teams play super slow. Some teams run a heavy post up offense. Some teams run a heavy ball screen offense, whatever that is. There’s so many different ways to find success in all levels of basketball, but for me I’d be unable see it in college basketball is there’s so many ways to find success.

And there’s so many different styles and whether that’s even different personnel schemes, some teams play two bigs and have success. Some teams play one big, and then four smaller guards. And so. There’s just so many different ways that you can have success.

And that’s been one thing I’ve really, really learned is just I’ve been able to see so many great coaches, so many great teams and just their schemes and the biggest thing I would advise a younger manager, GA.  video coordinator, even assistant coaches, just keep a library of all the best plays you see best schemes you see just interesting strategies that you see from different coaches, because there’s so many smart coaches out there.

And the last thing you want is to look back on your two years or whatever, and be like, shoot, I didn’t save that play that I liked and stuff. So one exercise I’ve been doing is just every single scout and every single opponent we face I’ll save. at minimum three to four sets that I just thought were unique and good.

And sometimes  I get to the end of the year and I’m like, Hey, you know what, that wasn’t that good. Or that wasn’t that wasn’t the best variation of it or whatnot, but at least you’re able to learn and just getting that process of just gathering. Cause there’s so many smart coaches out there.

And there’s at any level, whether that’s NAIA, high school, NBA from the bottom down, there are so many great coaches out there and it’s something where at least in the video room, you’re able to see so much and it’s one of those where I’ve kept a running library of just the best schemes, the best sets, the best concepts both offensively and defensively that I’ve been able to see.

[00:15:49] Mike Klinzing: What’s a team or a coach that as you were going through their film that really caught your eye?

Like, Oh, these guys are running something, whether it’s something unique or maybe they’re just running something that other teams run, but they’re running it maybe better or they’re just executing so well. Is there a team or a coach? And again, I’m not asking you to point out or do whatever, but is there anybody that stands out like that to you that you can think of off the top of your head?

[00:16:12] Dylan Mihalke: Wow  the number one school that comes to mind is I think Baylor does a fantastic job  last year I think they were second in the country in offense and the year before they were really high as well, and they just do a tremendous job at getting their guards shots, getting their guards a great advantage off the ball screen just getting their guards downhill.

They do a great job at just being able to really use efficient, effective spacing. They’ve really just modern concepts that they use. And so I’m constantly really really blown away by what they do from an offensive standpoint, I think they do a tremendous job.

I’ve been able to see it in the league now, two years and obviously going into a third year now. And they just do a tremendous job like I said, getting their guards shots, but also just having really modern schemes in pick and roll and I think a lot of times people think of  great strategies as offensively, but defensively, I think Iowa State’s got one of the best defensive schemes that I’ve been able to see is just it’s interesting.

Analytically, they’re very I’ll say weird for lack of a better term, but they’re a very analytically weird team to where they’ll let you shoot a lot of threes. And  they’ll foul a lot, but they’ll force a ton of turnovers. They’ll get a ton of defensive rebounds.  They don’t let you shoot any layups.

Weirdly enough, when you shoot layups I think they have like the worst field goal percentage defense at the rim. But they don’t let you get there. And so they do a great job escaping the paint. They do a great job at flooding. They just, they scramble so well and they keep putting out fires.

They make it really hard to score on. But also just their concepts and how hard they play. I think is a really, it’s a testament to coach Otzelberger’s passion is  his strategy, but also  his competitiveness and how hard he gets his guys to play.

[00:18:09] Mike Klinzing: Really interesting to me when you think about just the amount of time that somebody like you and your position that you spend watching film and going through and obviously you’re learning from coach Moser and you’re seeing all the things that you guys do. And now that you’re seeing it, but you’re also getting the why behind it and everything else that goes along with that.

So there’s a huge learning process there. But then it’s also like, we just talked about the ability to see all these other coaches and what they’re doing and how they’re scheming against what you guys are trying to do. And that X’s and O’s Chess match that you go back and forth, and you’re kind of seeing it all through the video.

And to me, I think when you start talking about an ability to learn the game from an X’s and O’s standpoint, as you continue to progress in your career, I can only imagine again how valuable that time spent. In the video room, right? The most famous example, NBA wise, Eric Spolstra, right? Who started out in the video room in the NBA, and now he’s roundly considered the best coach in the league.

And I don’t think that there’s, I don’t think that’s an accident that a guy who spent so much time early in his career. Watching so much film and just diving into that film to be able to learn. I just think it’s a tremendous way to be able to increase your knowledge of the game. And it’s something that not everybody gets that opportunity to be able to do that, depending upon which career path you take.

And so, I’m sure as you go on, you’re going to see the benefits that I’m sure you’re already feeling it right now.

[00:19:37] Dylan Mihalke: Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, I think one of the greatest things I’ve read who, somebody said this to me when I was younger, forgive me whoever said it, but, but you really have to learn how to learn. And I think that’s something where for me, I’ve been blessed enough to be able to really, I had great help from people at Iowa and stuff, but a lot of my video knowledge was self taught, a lot of how I interpret and see analytics and kind of figure out how to dive deep in that is a lot of it is self taught.

And I think that process of learning how to learn something and just that growth  really teaches you, do great skills, but also teaches you a sense of curiosity. It teaches you a sense of what’s the word I’m looking for? It teaches you just a great ability to solve problems.

And I think there’s a lot of times where, for example, even coach Moser being in the video room and it gives you the opportunity to dive deep into a certain action or a certain team or a certain concept that you like and really really just master it and stuff.

And so it’s nice. I’m blessed enough where in my role right now, I don’t have to go out on the road and recruit. I don’t have to, I don’t get to do player development there’s a lot of parts of my job that I don’t get to do, but also it gives me an amazing sense to really dive into the film side of things and really dive into just different, different schemes and different concepts that I think are working at the highest level.

And so no, you hit the nail right on the head there. I think. There’s definitely not a coincidence why coach Moser has been so successful and also just their organization has been so successful.

[00:21:17] Mike Klinzing: I know you use a lot of video with obviously your team when it comes to scouting your opponents.

How do you guys use film with? players in terms of bringing them in on an individual basis to be able to help them to see things and to be able to work on their individual game. What does that look like for your program there at OU?

[00:21:38] Dylan Mihalke: Yeah, That’s a unbelievable question because that’s one of the one of the many things that I think Coach Moser is always so intentional about the process of getting better.

I say every single 95 percent of the days before practice we do our get better session. And so that’s normally 10 to 15 clips from the Practice the day before or two days before whatever that is you know from our last practice and we just  that’s just a good solid 30 minutes of just teaching and so  that’s him teaching our new transfers or freshmen what an ice defense looks like teaching them,

this is how we set up catches how we run a play This is how we do little things on the basketball court, and he’s so Coach Moser is, he’s so consumed about the little things and the details he’s such a detail oriented coach and it’s one of the many things that makes him just truly elite is how he’s so consumed with the details and  those Get Better sessions are really all about him teaching and our guys love them because they feel like they’re getting poured into on such an individual level.

Collectively it makes us better as a team. So that’s most days before practice we’ll do that. And then in terms of kind of different other individual things I’ll pull at least five to five to ten clips every day for each one of our players and  I’ll either give them to one of our assistants to watch with them or I’ll send it to them myself and just kind of make a couple notes and such.

But I’m always, I’m always sending our guys film, I’m always sending them.  NBA guys to look at or just different ways to get better. And I think that’s, that’s something where  all of our players just love basketball so much, and that’s an easy, an easy and a really rewarding way that I can just pour into their  pour into their basketball lives.

And it all also just gets creates a great conversation starting point for me as well with them. So no, we use a lot of film, like I said, on a team, but also individual level.  to help self scout, but also just to help individual players with their offensive or defensive game and just kind of helping them just to continue to get better every single, every single day.

[00:23:58] Mike Klinzing: What is the analysis of the practice film? Look like from one day to the next. Is that start with you breaking it down? Is that the entire staff going through the entire practice together? What is it? Just how do you guys divvy up the workload of going through the practice? And what does that look like in terms of the responsibilities of each staff member to make sure that you’re going through the previous day’s practice film, to get what you need out of that to prepare for the next practice?

[00:24:29] Dylan Mihalke: Yeah, no, absolutely.  a lot of times after practice, we’ll go up to the office and watch it as a staff and just kind of talk through different things when it’s fresh on our mind. And then I’ll make sure all the assistants have practice on their computers that they can all go home and watch practice and break it down and break down, if one of our coaches really focuses on the zone and our press D he’ll watch that.

If one of our coaches really focused on our offense, he’ll kind of have an eye for that. And we’ll kind of break it down that way. And then obviously we’ll all come back together in the next morning with some more clips for review and such. And then obviously coach Moser will, most of the time work with me on just kind of what 10-15 clips you want to show the guys that next day before practice.

And then one other thing that I’ve done here at OU is I actually manually stat all of our practices through video and so obviously through sports code we’ll  all have different labels for every action that we do and every play type. So if it’s a ball screen where he scored from the right short corner, all of that is tagged.

It’s where if in two weeks we want to look back and say, how did Lowe’s score out of ball screens the last two weeks? I can pull up all the clips in the snap of the fingers or all the times where. Our big man got a roll basket off a roll at the rim I can just have all those already database.

So I chart post feeds, I chart obviously post ops, I chart ball screens, off ball screens transition, paint touches, hockey assists there’s deflections. There’s so many different things that I chart through video. And so that really helps me be able to be like, okay, let me look, go back and show our point guard, all of his assistant turnovers and pain touches from last week it’s an easy way for me to pick out individualized clips or for example, even like I want to if one of our guys is in a shooting slump and I want to send him all of his made threes from practice a month ago or two weeks ago, whatever I can pull those up in the snap of a finger and really be able to dive deep into that.

And that also helps me just as I watch it, be able to look for different insights and stuff. So yeah, it’s kind of how our post practice video breakdown goes.

[00:26:52] Mike Klinzing: Whenever I hear these stories of all this statistical analysis and ability to go back and videotape practice, I always compare and contrast dealing this with my own experience as a player.

So I’m old. I was there playing college basketball from 1988 to 1992. So we, to my knowledge, I don’t know if we ever filmed the practice. We may have filmed some of our  our, our team scrimmages, but I don’t, I don’t remember us ever filming practice and I remember going through and there’d be things that would happen in practice and you’d be like, I wonder about that, or I wonder if like, I didn’t follow that guy or this, or and it’s like, all that stuff was kind of just lost to history.

And then I think about just, again, the level of detail that you’re describing that you’re talking about, which again, I know that what you guys are doing. At Oklahoma is similar to what. Most division one schools across the country now are doing similar things in terms of filming practice and just the level and paying attention to detail and all that stuff.

And I just think that the ability to one, learn from that is tremendous. And then I guess the second part of it is I think of it as a player, one of the things that. And I don’t know if it’s good or bad, but there’s something to be said for when you’re in practice that, again, going back to my era where practice kind of disappeared and there wasn’t all the statistical proof of, Hey, this guy is this, and this guy is that, and this is what’s happening.

And it was more sort of that old school, right? It’s the difference between like the old school scout and the new school scout, like the old school scouts. Like I, I watched this guy and he can play. And the new school scout is, well, I’ve got. reasons why, and I’ve got stats to back it up and this and that.

And so I just wondered, do you ever get feedback from players? And again, they don’t necessarily even know the difference between the way they are functioning in the game, the way somebody did 20 or 30 years ago, but just. It feels like, man, when you’re playing in the game and you have the statistics and there’s, I don’t want to say pressure there, but there’s obviously pressure there when you’re playing in games.

And then to have like every single moment of every single practice tracked, like just, this is just me speaking. I’m not sure I would have loved that as a player. Now, maybe I would have, because maybe the stats would have showed that I was doing the things that I was supposed to do and it all would have panned out.

But I still feel like it would maybe add just a certain degree of pressure with players. Is that a discussion that anybody ever has, or do you guys talk about, or is it just something that it is what it is, and nobody even really thinks about it?

[00:29:41] Dylan Mihalke: Yeah. No, that’s a great thought. A great point that you bring up because I don’t know how other programs do it.

We don’t really, typically we don’t show our players stats from practice.  I know some programs do, we just don’t because we don’t want them either thinking too high, thinking too low and stuff. And generally, and you know this from playing, but generally players know I’m shooting the ball well, I’m not shooting the ball great. I’m right. Screwing a lot about supporting a lot. So I think genuinely players kind of know that occasionally with some of our players individually, I’ll text them their stats just to give them an extra boost of confidence. But no, I mean, most of our statistics and individual stats like that in practice are more just for us as a staff to review and just kind of assist in making personnel decisions and system player development and kind of assistant other aspects of the program. But no, I mean, I think that’s a great, great point you bring up because the last thing you want is for a player to get tight in practice because you worry about is practice stats that’s something where  you want to make them you want to make it a comfortable environment, not that they feel like they’re being tracked every single move they make.

[00:31:02] Mike Klinzing: What I feel like it’s almost like, and not even so much when I think about it, I don’t even think about necessarily like shooting stats from practice, but just, I can remember times where I’m like, okay, we’re doing some one on one drill or whatever, or playing full court and defending the ball, whatever.

And you just get smoked and somebody yells at you and then like that goes away. And the next day in practice, I got to come back and I got to see the film of that. I’m like, Oh, I’m not sure I’m that excited about that going back and seeing it. And that’s more just what I’m thinking.

And again, obviously there’s the ability to learn from that, which is, I think that obviously you as a coaching staff, and that’s the direction that you’re trying to spin it as a, Hey, here’s something that we have to work on, something that we can get better at. And it’s just interesting though, for me, again, because, because I didn’t experience any of that.

That to think about what you guys have at your disposal as coaches in terms of the video and the analytics and then what players as a result have at their fingertips to be able to use and to be able to see and just you talking about, Hey, I’m sending guys video every single day. Like, I think the only video I ever watched while I was playing was when we were watching it as a team.

And of course, we had VCRs and we’re hitting the button and trying to get, trying to get to the right play and all this stuff. And obviously somebody who was in your position was spending a lot of time running to FedEx and mailing tapes and meeting dudes to, to trade video and all this stuff.

And clearly now that Everything can be done digitally. It’s just a different era, but it’s interesting to me just to think about the compare and contrast to throw a player from my era into today’s division one basketball world and kind of see what that would feel like and vice versa to throw one of your guys into the era in the late 80s, early 90s, and just kind of see what the comparison would be like.

It would be a, that would be an interesting story that would be an interesting study to kind of get the psychological effects of both sides going different directions, if that makes any sense. I think it’d be kind of cool.

[00:33:02] Dylan Mihalke: No, you’re, you’re 100 percent right. And this is kind of a larger scale discussion, but just even in my shoot now six years that I’ve been blessed enough to work in college basketball, I’ve seen the rise of technology, the rise of analytics, the rise in  just growing innovation of video products, video software.

And just that go to a whole new level. And that’s just in six years let alone in 12 25, whatever. And so so no, I mean, I think obviously as technology’s grown, I think the game of basketball has grown as well  both in strategy, but also in how, how we best use video, how we best use analytics, how we best use technology and all the above.

And so, no, I think all that you said is so, so true. And it’s also, I think it’s one of the parts of my job that I’m most grateful for is just  oh shoot, coach Moser is a, a very young 55, but  he looks back on when he was playing, looked back on when he first got his first assistant coaching job.

Even for his head coaching job and just how different the game was, not just in the game of basketball, but everything surrounding the game of basketball from a scouting and analytics, a video perspective and stuff. And he would tell me stories about he would ask, Hey, can we get that game from 20 minutes ago and three time zones away.

And I’m like, yeah, coach, I can get that for you by the next 10 minutes. And he’s like, I used to have to go mail a VCR or he’ll tell me these stories and stuff. And no, it’s just, it’s truly amazing how much obviously technology is involved on a worldview, but also specific to the game of basketball, how much it’s grown specifically in the game of basketball.

[00:34:54] Mike Klinzing: Yeah. No question. I mean, the capability that these different services have today to be able to pull things out and to be able to be as specific. And as you said, to find those certain actions with certain players and to be able to then instantaneously pull all those clips together, especially for somebody like yourself, who again, knows how to operate those systems and knows how to make them work and, and sing for lack of a better way of saying it and get the information out of there that you want and that you need when you think about the analytics side of the game and maybe not necessarily specific to your team, but just from an analytics standpoint, what are some things, what are some trends that you’re seeing kind of across the college basketball landscape escape in the last couple of years?

Analytics wise, what are some things that people are talking about or things that you’re paying attention to?

[00:35:45] Dylan Mihalke: Wow, that’s a great question. I think the biggest…  a lot of the biggest trends that I’ve seen lately is just the and it’s not necessarily even from a game to game or a season to season project or whatnot.

The biggest trend I’ve seen is just how teams are effectively using the transfer portal.  I don’t know if the transfer portal keep up with the rising crazy high numbers that it has been the last a few years or so, but I think teams more and more are just really diving deep into the analytics and really diving deep into the film breakdown of these transfer guys.

And it’s one of the things where  generally a lot of times even with high school freshmen. They either no brainers or maybe they’re guys that you might not think will come in and impact maybe year one, it might be year two, or it might be in a reserve world year one or whatever, but a lot of these transfer guys you’re getting them out of the transfer portal thinking they’re coming in with a starting role and thinking that they really need to contribute day one to your program.

And that’s just not specific to OU, I think it’s true for every program across the country, but I think the really, the one of the big kind of analytics, but also film, but also  personality I think the transfer portal has just added so much to this recruiting cycle and the scouting process and being able to dive deep into transfers film and kind of see how their skills will translate to your system and how.

So your system could translate to their skills and vice versa  and also just how their personality will mesh with your coaching staff, your locker room, whatever that is. And then also either the even bigger, um trick of it is okay, this guy put up great numbers at you know mid major or whatever.

How is that going to transfer over to the high major level and can they go from being a starter on that team to a role player on this team or vice versa. And so I think just the analytics behind the transfer portal has been something that fascinates me. It’s almost like being a NBA GM, to be honest with you, is just seeing how this free agent will come in and impact your team, positive or negative, how their skills can blend in with your team and just kind of being able to really, really sit down and dive deep into the tape and see what works across levels and what might not work. And that’s been something just analytic wise that I’ve been really, really fascinated on. And just I’ve been really trying to study the biggest analytic factors that I think are going to best determine a player success in moving upper.

Up levels, you know? And so that’s been something I’ve been really curious about. It’s been something I’ve really been studying.  I’ve gone back to previous years of the Transfer Portal and just kind of seen, okay, this 3 point shooting really translates between any level of college basketball.

Rebounding really translates, but, for example, assist to turnover ratio doesn’t normally translate when the speed, the length, the athleticism goes up a level.  just kind of analyzing different factors into that has been something that’s really sparked my curiosity, but also has been something I think has really  I’ve been trying to bring more and more to our staff is just being able to figure out And kind of solve this whole transfer puzzle.

[00:39:18] Mike Klinzing: Is there anything specific to your program at OU that you’ve noticed with the transfer guys that you brought in that is a marker of their ability to play at your level. Is there anything that stands out? I don’t want you to give away secrets, but is there one or two things that you can say, okay, we know when we see this, we know this guy’s going to have a pretty good chance of success.

Obviously there’s a huge, long track record, but just what do you see so far?

[00:39:51] Dylan Mihalke:  The biggest example that comes to mind is we have this one guy on our team named Latre Dardhart, who’s a Fifth year senior  grad transfer. This is last year, came from Utah Valley, was coached by Mark Madsen there.

And I remember I went into his analytics and I saw that that Utah Valley was was just an unbelievable defensive team when he was off the court or on the court, excuse me, and when he went off the court there just defensive numbers just almost plummeted and  I kind of was like hmm.

That’s interesting. Let me dive more into that and last year they gave up .9 points per possession when he was on the court, and then when he was off the court, they gave up 1.07 points per possession, and so just a super stark difference and I immediately was like, why is that?

Is there something he’s doing?  That’s not a coincidence, and so I dove into the tape, they played a litany of high major teams last year, they won a lot of games against high major teams last year, and I was just able to see that he guarded the best offensive player every game.

He hit 36 percent of his threes on high volume. He shot 89 percent from the foul line. And just, there were different barometers, different key factors that I saw that said I think that can translate up a level and really help us in a positive winning situation.

Now, does that mean he’s going to average 14 points a game here, like he did at Utah Valley. Maybe, probably not, but does that mean he will keep up the same efficiency and keep up with the same defensive leverage and keep up with the same you know ability to guard the ball at this level and play off ball defense and take charges.

Yeah. And so that’s just one example that I just think I was able to clearly see different translatable factors that I think could.

[00:41:53] Mike Klinzing: So that’s kind of the way that you guys utilize analytics with the Transfer Portal. What do you guys do in terms of just looking at how you guys perform in a given game?

What are some of the things that, some of the metrics that you guys look at that you feel are most important that lead to you guys winning? Obviously, at this point when we’re recording, you’ve only played one game this season, so we’re talking about previous seasons. How does What you do from an analytics standpoint impact winning and losing?

What are some of the things you’re looking at?

[00:42:23] Dylan Mihalke: Yeah, no, that’s, I mean, that’s a tremendous question. That’s something we constantly talk about as a program is just what are the biggest factors for us winning games? And that might be different for every head coach. And that might be different for every program across the country.

But I think the biggest thing that we look at I think coach Moser is a really, really great job at coaching shot selection. So that thankfully hasn’t really been a problem for us in the first two years and now into year three he really emphasizes getting to the paint and either finishing at the paint or spraying for threes.

And so we don’t take a lot of mid range shots early in the clock at least and so I think the biggest things for us though have been  we really try to win the turnover battle especially we try to limit turnovers offensively and force turnovers defensively.

And I think the biggest kind of byproduct of that is you don’t even allow an opponent to get a shot on the rim. And so they can’t get an offensive rebound. They can’t draw a foul. And you might get a transition bucket that has a higher points per possession expected value than a half court possession.

So that’s been one thing we’ve been trying to emphasize is obviously limiting, limiting turnovers offensively and forcing turnovers defensively. So that’s been one thing for us. And then the biggest analytic we continue to look at is just paint touches.  There’s such a great NBA, I unfortunately cannot remember off the top of my head, but it’s just how the point per possession just goes up astronomically when the ball gets to the paint versus not in the paint. And so that’s something we track is, okay, how often are we getting the paint?  what percent of possessions do we get to the paint?

What percent of possessions do we allow the opponent to get to the point, the paint, and what’s the.  point for possession on a paint touch possession or a no paint touch possession, both offensively and defensively. And that’s something that we track. And that’s something where a lot of our schemes defensively are built on.

Okay. How do we limit paint touches? And then vice versa, offensively, how do we generate paint touches to either get rim finishes or get kick out threes or even get in there and get fouled. So those are just kind of two small examples of kind of how we best use analytics.

And then also just effectively using our plays this one set we have has a higher points per possession than the other set and to kind of maximizing efficiency and effectiveness that way.

[00:44:50] Mike Klinzing: Yeah. I think when you start to look at those things that you feel impact winning.

And then as you said, then you can kind of design and scheme around, Hey, we know, we see that when we get into the paint, we score at a higher rate. And when we keep teams out of the paint, they score at a much lower rate. And so then, as you said, now you can start to design your schemes. Then obviously that leads to the development of drills and practice plans and putting actual bodies on the practice floor and getting guys to do things that are going to play out or play to those trends that you’re seeing from an analytic standpoint. So, when you’re in the practice planning process, and I know we talked about it a little bit. Before when we were discussing how you use the previous day’s film to sort of guide you into what you want to do in the next day’s practice, but just when you guys are sitting down together as a coaching staff, putting together the practice plan, how does coach Moser go about doing that?

Is that something that you guys all talk about together and that’s how the practice plan gets built? Does he build ii himself off of input from the rest of the staff and then share it back to the staff for feedback or just what’s the process That you guys use for building a practice plan on a daily basis.

[00:46:10] Dylan Mihalke: Yeah. No, I that’s a great question I think you know coach Moser does a fantastic job at  letting  literally everybody on staff have a say, whether that’s a GA, myself  obviously all the way up through our assistant coaches.  He lets them, everybody have a really big say in kind of how we formally practice.

And so if there’s a specific drill, somebody had from a previous school that they like, a previous coach that they worked on or that they like coach is open to all suggestions obviously.  His 30 some plus years in coaching, he has his drills, he likes, and he has different things that have been effective for him.

But our practice plan building is a very collaborative effort. Everybody has his say, I mean I’ll normally type it up and kind of organize it in a logical way and organized manner. But I don’t know, everybody has a say, we always do a reminder defensive drill a day just to keep our minds sharp.

Obviously a basic kind of shell drill. We’ll shell certain ball screen action or a shell flex, shuffle, stagger, reel, whatever action it will be or just regular jump to the ball shell defense. So we’ll do kind of a different set things.

Obviously we’ll do some guards, big offensive skill development, some days we’ll do some team shooting stuff and then obviously when we get into more deeper preseason practice, practices get longer. And during the season practices tend to get a little shorter just cause it’s more scouting based and less live on their feet workload. So it kind of ebbs and flows throughout the year, but no, like I said, I mean, coach Moser does a fantastic job at really making a collaborative effort to where everybody has a say, and we all kind of have a voice in how we play in practice because at the end of the day, everybody’s got a part in practice our GAs have to pass or rebound or do dummy defense or set screens or whatever our assistant coaches obviously have to help run the drills and then obviously coach Moser has to lead it all. And so if it doesn’t make sense to one of our assistants, then it’s hard to have a successful practice. And so I think we’re all involved. We all just have a great ability to input when necessary and kind of just talk through in a really collaborative way.

[00:48:21] Mike Klinzing: Makes sense. All right. So, that’s a practice planning process. Tell me a little bit about what your game day looks like in your role and kind of how you as a staff get the team prepared and then kind of your role in that. on a game day.

[00:48:38] Dylan Mihalke: Yeah.  it’s, it’s funny. We have a game day tomorrow. So I’m kind of mentally thinking through this the night before, which is great.

But, we’ll do like a shoot around five hours before the game.  We’ll go over different offensive points of emphasis, offensive plays and then obviously defensive points of emphasis. We’ll go over some of the opponents common actions and talk through kind of the game plan and stuff.

Shoot some free throws, et cetera.  then obviously do a pregame meal and stuff. And then when we come back for the actual game, it’s all business we’ll have obviously warmups out on the court and such, but we’ll have the guys come into the locker room and give a little personnel overview, some offense, some defensive notes and then physically during the game  this year they actually approved for our league video on the bench. And so I’m able to be on the bench with a computer with a live feed to the game. And so I’m able to help out our assistants and be able to talk to them about how they got us on this play or how they’re guarding this certain play and stuff. So I’m able to help both our offensive and defensive coaches just gain little advantages here and there and then I’m also responsible for the matchups coming out of a timeout So I’ll look who we have in the game look at the opponents have in the game and kind of just match up our guys as they head on the court and stuff.

So yeah from those from our perspective, I think we have a really great scouting process We were really good way about how we do game days and stuff and just  the game days almost the final act and stuff, and our shoot around is just kind of a good dress rehearsal and kind of what we’re trying to get in the game from the scout.

[00:50:18] Mike Klinzing: It’s nice to be able to have that video capability right there. As you said, it’s something new to be able to pull off. So when guys come off the floor, you oftentimes are, are you having them sit down right next to you and then show them, Hey, here, let’s look at this. Are you, are you more doing it with the coaching staff?

How do you, do you see it more being useful with working with individual guys, or is it more useful for you as a staff to be looking at things that you see?

[00:50:42] Dylan Mihalke: Yeah, just more useful with the staff for right now.  just kind of how our bench is set up.

It’s easier just to use it with the staff for now. But our assistants will show some of our guys, some individual clips at halftime and stuff  different things like that, but no, we don’t really I try not to overwhelm the players with too much during the game because a lot of times our guys are smart enough to know, okay, I wasn’t in on that ball screen or I wasn’t I wasn’t plugging that hole or I wasn’t tagging the role or whatever it is.  And so we kind of save that for after the game and just kind of for film review overall.

[00:51:25] Mike Klinzing: Gotcha. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. How soon after the game when you guys get back in the locker room, regardless of one loss, how quickly are you diving into that video immediately after the postgame talk and players are getting the shower?  Are you already into the video at that point?

[00:51:41] Dylan Mihalke: Yeah, pretty much. I’m either into the video from that game or trying to prepare for our next opponent and stuff, so. So yeah, I know it’s a pretty late night on game days. Cause you’re either doing a review of your own game or you’re trying to get ahead for the next scout and stuff.

But normally the scout coach who has the game will really dive deep into that film and do a really intense self scout because his next scout won’t be for another four games or whatnot. So a lot of times though, from my position, I really got to work ahead and I, unfortunately, I’m trying to be better at this this year.

But a lot of times it’s I don’t get to do as much self scout work as I would like, because I’m already on the next opponent. So, right. I got

[00:52:25] Mike Klinzing: So, right. I got you. You have a game day superstition?

[00:52:28] Dylan Mihalke: Oh gosh. No, no, I to be honest, it’s

[00:52:35] Mike Klinzing: Actually a game day tradition, something that you do every time, every no, you’re not like,

[00:52:41] Dylan Mihalke: no, it’s I used to have to wear the same shoes every game.

And then then that kind of ran its course.

[00:52:50] Mike Klinzing: But then your budget increased and you were able to get a second pair of shoes. Is that what you’re saying?

[00:52:54] Dylan Mihalke: Right. I was going to say, I was going to say, then, then it increased a little bit. But no, it’s weird, I like no matter whether I was I was a manager or my position now, I always would get anxious, like three hours before the game, and then once it would start to get warmups and stuff, it would all go away but it would be like four, three, three to four hours and stuff, so I would, like, almost never eat pre game meal just because, like, I couldn’t, you know.

I couldn’t feel like the need to eat. And then after the game though, I’d just always be starving. And so I would eat a lot after the game, just not much before the game, just because of nerves and stuff. But no, that’s the only real superstition that I’ve got.

[00:53:35] Mike Klinzing: Anybody in the program have one that you are aware of?

[00:53:38] Dylan Mihalke: Not that I’m aware of no Yeah, one of our former assistants David Patrick He always would brush his teeth the minute before we’d walk out on the court. So that’s a good one. He had that I will remember But no, it’s funny because every year I go into the year being like I don’t really have a superstition and then I’ll do one thing before like one win and it’ll And then of course, there’ll have to be that thing that won the game.

And so that will continue. So I’m sure there’ll be one that will come up mid year though.

[00:54:10] Mike Klinzing: That’s funny. It’s funny how, again, you just kind of get, whether you call it a superstition or you call it a routine or something that you feel like just makes you makes you comfortable that you have to do.

I think we all kind of have some of those. It kind of depends on how you define it, right? All right. So as you look ahead to the remainder of this season and kind of where you guys are at, where you’re at in your career, what are you most looking forward to over the course of this season?

Obviously you’re looking forward to having a good year with your team, but just what are you looking for just on a personal individual level? And then just kind of, what are you looking forward to with this particular group of teammates and this particular group of guys and your coaching staff?  What’s on the horizon that you’re most excited about?

[00:54:56] Dylan Mihalke: Yeah.  I’ll answer the first part of that first, because a lot of times and it’s for a good reason, because you’re caught up in the team, you’re caught up in the group and obviously team success comes for all of our players and our coaches.

Team success comes before any of us can get any individual success and stuff. And so but no I think I need to definitely take more time and kind of, Now I get so caught up in just the team and the next game mentality to be able to just realize personal  growth, whether that’s even out of basketball  You feel like you can grow as a person and grow as a learner and grow for me as a Christian and in every season of life and in every literal basketball season.

And so I think for me just continuing to realize my personal growth, but also  one thing I think it’s just a really dive deep into the relationships with the players, with the other coaches and such, because  obviously you remember the wins and the losses and it’s, at the end of the day, it’s a business of W’s and L’s but just the people along with you for the ride, I think is so special.

And that’s been something where I look back and I just remember all the great people I’ve worked with  in my short career and in basketball and stuff. And so just enjoying the people, enjoying the relationships, enjoying the  kind of stopping and smelling the roses instead of always being consumed with the next game, the next game, the next game.

And just stopping and realizing the people I’m working with, the players I’m getting to serve, the time we have together on planes, on buses and hotels and tournaments cause then they we’re spending Thanksgiving together. We’re spending a lot of Christmas break together.

We’re spending new year’s together. We’re spending my birthday falls on a game day this year. So there’s so many parts of life where you’re spending with these people and so much time that you’re sacrificing with these people that just enjoying their presence and enjoying kind of what they’re pouring into you, I think is something where this year I want to do a better job at stopping and smelling the roses and really taking that to heart.  And then from a team perspective, I think before even any of the make the NCAA tournament win the league make the Sweet 16 and whatever that those goals will all come.

I’m just looking forward to this group that we got this year, really just gelling together. I think we got a group of really competitive guys. I think we got a group of just amazing culture guys. We got a group of super caring guys who really genuinely love one another and genuinely love being coached and being improved and after the game, they’ll all text me and say, Hey, can you send me five to 10 clips from today?

I want to see this, or can you help me with this? Or do you have a clip that can you send me this play that we ran and stuff? And so I think we have a really great group, like I said, and just watching, being able to see them gel and one of the things, and I’m going a little long winded on this, but one of the things I love most about basketball is it brings people from such unique, diverse backgrounds together.

And it makes them have one common goal, one common cause that they’re all fighting for. And I think from our coaches to our players and stuff we all come from such unique, diverse, different backgrounds and such.  Just the act of, even if it’s for one season, six months or nine months, whatever, and just everybody coming together for one common goal.

I think that’s something that’s so special about this game and something I’ve grown to love so much about this game. Yeah, it’s

[00:58:20] Mike Klinzing: w Yeah, it’s ell said on both of those fronts. And I think that you make a really good point about, I think, Your situation in particular, but I think the coaching profession in general, and that is during the season, it is such a whirlwind and there’s so much going on and the games are coming so quickly once you get into your season that it is, as you said, it is difficult to stop and really look around and kind of appreciate what it is that you get to do every day and the people that you get to do it with.

And I think you did a really good job of sort of capturing that sentiment and the idea that sometimes you got to just stop and look around and be thankful for what you have. And I think that applies to almost all of us in life. I know that I can be guilty of that for sure when there’s a million things going on in life.

And sometimes you just, you’re going from one task to the next, to the next, to the next. And you don’t always stop and just say, Hey, what am I doing here? And who am I doing it with? And I’ve got to take this opportunity to really reflect on that and be thankful for it. It’s hard to do. It’s sometimes something that I think you have to be really conscious of.

And so to hear you say that kind of heading into the season, I certainly wish you the best of luck in being able to accomplish that. And, and I know that again, part of that is just being self aware and thinking about it. And the fact that you’re already contemplating that one game into the season is a good sign that you’re going to be able to accomplish that.

So, again, I want to thank you for jumping on with us tonight, Dylan. Before we get out, I want to give you a chance to share how people can get in touch with you, reach out to you. I know there might be people out there that have questions about what you do in the video room, what kind of analytics you’re doing.

I know there’s a lot of high school coaches that are in our audience that are always looking for a way to be able to upgrade what they do from a video and Analytics standpoint. So just let people know how they can reach out to you. And then after you do that, I’ll jump back in and wrap things up.

[01:00:22] Dylan Mihalke: Yeah, no absolutely.  Like you kind of touched on, I would love to connect with anybody who’s willing to just learn more about video analytics college basketball as a whole  and then the other thing I really want to I really pride myself on is being a former manager and kind of getting to where I’m at now, I really want to help and pour into other managers, other GAs who really do want to pursue being in a video room and pursue the video analytics path and stuff. So so my Twitter is just @DMihalke. That’s just my first initial and my last name. And that’s just the best way to reach out to me, if you have any questions at all about my job, what I do on a day to day basis, or just want to  talk about basketball, the profession, life, whatever it is. And then  I also got Instagram @DylanMihalke, And that’s the best way to get in touch with me. And if you have any questions at all, I’d love to love to connect and get to know you and obviously I’d love to help in any way I can.

[01:01:23] Mike Klinzing: Well, I cannot thank you enough for taking the time out of your schedule to jump back out with us for again, a second time. So we really appreciate that. And I’m sure there’ll be a third time. at some point here in the not too distant future. But good luck to you, Coach Moser, the rest of your staff, and the Sooners of Oklahoma as you guys head into your second game of the season tomorrow night and throughout the entire season.

And to everyone out there, thanks for listening, and we will catch you on our next episode. Thanks.

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