DAVID MAGLEY – PRESIDENT OF THE BASKETBALL LEAGUE – EPISODE 340

David Magley

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David Magley is currently the President of The Basketball League.  The TBL is dedicated to delivering a world class professional basketball experience for their players, the community, their fans, and their business partners.  Magley is a former NBA player and coach. Prior to becoming the President of the TBL he served as the commissioner of the National Basketball League of Canada.

Prior to becoming an NBLC executive, Magley was the head coach at Bradenton Christian School in Bradenton, Florida, for 11 years and then led the Brampton A’s in the NBLC for two seasons.

He played basketball at South Bend LaSalle High School. Following his senior year, Magley was named Indiana Mr. Basketball, beating Randy Wittman and Ted Kitchel for the award, and was selected to the Academic All-State and Parade Magazine All-American teams. David played his college basketball at Kansas where he was an Academic All-American.

David was drafted with the fifth pick in the second round of the 1982 NBA Draft by the Cleveland Cavaliers. In his one NBA season, Dave appeared in fourteen games, recording a total of twelve points and ten rebounds. Magley also spent several years in the Continental Basketball Association for the Wyoming Wildcatters, Albany Patroons and Tampa Bay Thrillers.

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What We Discuss with David Magley

  • Competing with his brothers growing up in South Bend, Indiana
  • Looking up to Jerry West & Oscar Robertson
  • How neighborhood competition in all sports made him better
  • Why playing against men helped his game develop
  • The advantages of the European player development system
  • The lack of consequences for losing in the AAU environment
  • Why high school basketball can be the best time of your life
  • The passion of Indiana High School Basketball
  • Playing multiple sports as a high school athlete
  • How to build a good pickup team
  • Why parents should rob their kids of the lessons learned from losing
  • How his mother’s death affected him and kept him close to home during his recruitment
  • The first time he met Bob Knight and asked why so many players left IU
  • Winning Indiana Mr. Basketball in 1978
  • Beating Bob Knight & IU in Madison Square Garden by scoring 24 points in 8 minutes
  • His interactions with Bob Knight and how Knight treated him
  • Love is a more powerful motivator than fear
  • Why the most important thing in his coaching is getting the most out of a player
  • Skills he looks for in pro players? Get to the corner, catch and shoot
  • Getting drafted by the Cavs in the second round
  • Why refused to go on the Cavs injured list when he wasn’t injured and how that may have cost him his NBA career
  • How he became a high school coach in Florida
  • Getting an opportunity in Canada with a prep school and National Basketball Canada
  • How a fight led to him becoming the commissioner of National Basketball in Canada
  • The why and how of starting The Basketball League
  • The role his wife played in getting The Basketball League off the ground as the first African-American woman to be CEO of a male sports league
  • The community involvement that’s built into The Basketball League
  • What’s ahead for David and The Basketball League

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TRANSCRIPT FOR DAVID MAGLEY – PRESIDENT OF THE BASKETBALL LEAGUE – EPISODE 340

[00:00:00] Mike Klinzing: [00:00:01] Hello and welcome to the hoop Heads Podcast. It’s Mike Klinzing here with my co-host, Jason Sunkle and tonight we are pleased to welcome to the show, former NBA player David Magley from the Basketball League.

David Magley: [00:00:09] Mike and Jason. Thanks for having me guys.

Mike Klinzing: [00:00:13] Absolutely. We are excited to have you on and be able to dig into all of the different things that you’ve been able to do in the game of  basketball as a lifer, let’s start out by going back in time to when you were a kid, tell us a little bit about your early experiences with the game of basketball.

David Magley: [00:00:30] I’m the youngest of four kids. So, there’s three boys and one girl. And my dream was just to be as good as my brothers were.

So, you know, whether it was baseball or basketball or football competing in everything always. And I think I was on the sixth grade team. At our school in the third grade, you know, it was back in the day when you didn’t play in your own age group, there were two teams, a sixth grade team or an eighth grade team.

And, you know, if you wanted to make [00:01:00] the sixth grade team, it was typically fifth and sixth graders, but I was pretty big for my age and they let me play in the third grade. And I remember the fourth grade, I was going to start on the sixth grade team. And I was so excited that I got to school a little bit late and didn’t know it was late.

And we’d already shoveled the snow so I could shoot. And I was shooting out on the court and on the playground and sure enough, somebody came out and had to get the janitor was sent out to tell me who started a half hour ago. You were going to start that first game after the school has started.

And I was out there so excited playing. Back then, you would play games in your head. So I was always pretending, like I was playing against somebody else. You know, we would use the term Walter Mitty, which was an old term of solo practice. Somebody you’re not, and you’re playing against great players.

Mike Klinzing: [00:01:51] Who are the players you looked up to when you were a kid? What guys did you follow?

David Magley: [00:01:55] Well, I think, you know, I think my brother and I, [00:02:00] my mother had bought us a T shirts that were called. No, they call them wife beaters. I think they were just called undershirts. Then we thought they kind of look like basketball jerseys.

So without my mother’s permission, we took magic markers and, and I made a Lakers Jersey for Jerry West and he made a Cincinnati Royals Jersey Oscar Robertson and where we were guards that would play against each other in the basement. And what that meant is he would try, I would try to keep him from getting past me and he, if I could get past him, we would count those as points and just working on dribble games.

No one knew I’d be six, eight. So those dribbling skills tended to be a pretty good thing. So it was a real young person. I was going up against Jerry West and Oscar Robertson in my mind. Then as I got older, I started playing against Dr. J in my head a lot. And that was effective because we had kind of a low goal at the park so I could dunk them too.

So that was a good thing, but nothing like the Doc, but in my mind, I was always going against those [00:03:00] guys

Mike Klinzing: [00:03:02] Growing up with your brothers and sisters. Did you get a chance to work on your game much when you were younger by yourself or was it typically in competition with them?

David Magley: [00:03:13] We competed at everything.

You know, in baseball, if you had two people, you played a game called over the line where you stood behind the, the, the monkey bars and you hit the ball. And if you hit past our swing said it was a single and the bottom of the tennis court, the fence was a double and the top was a triple over the tennis court fence was a home run. In  basketball when we played, whether it was rough house, wild 21 horse one-on-one we competed  in our neighborhood with our neighbors every day, I mean, nonstop, there was never just sitting around and sitting on swings, such an and, and, you know, gagging as they would say, we were just always, yeah.

So, and I loved that. I [00:04:00]I loved playing tennis. I wasn’t any good, but I was good enough to beat my neighbors. So that meant I was great. And it was just always competing sport basketball. It was more competing against other people. If there was no one there, then you competed against imaginary people and you made them up in your brain.

And literally I would announced again, I’m certain, my neighbors were certainly fortune go. There goes that magazine because I’d be like, it’s starting to get the other forward from South bend  high school. I was a junior by South Hills high school, David Magley. And I did not see the whole game. And you know, if I missed a shot, I got fired from mr.

Free-throws. Somebody stepped over the line. I about a hundred every day. It was amazing. That sounds pretty familiar to me.

Mike Klinzing: [00:04:43] Yeah, that’s an area. I think we all played that people who are kind of our age bracket, I think it was just a totally different the way that kids go through the basketball system today, compared to how you and I would have gone through

David Magley: [00:04:53] Mike, the biggest. [00:05:00] Shocker to me on all that is today’s kids have been robbed of the chance to play against men today. When, when I was 15, I didn’t know if I was the best player on my team, let alone the city or the area of the state or the country, all those rankings and all this summer basketball that they do that takes the game out of coach’s hands and puts it in the hands of, of somebody that knows how to manage a kid. We were growing up when I was 15, I was hoping that the men would pick me. And if they picked me, I was hoping I wouldn’t mess up and make them lose a game. Because if I did, there were 40 guys waiting to take our place.

And you were going to have to sit up for a long time and an hour when there were no lights on the courts, it was a long time. And if you made them lose twice, you may only get to play twice in the day. And you got a lot of angry men who are not picking you the next day. So they’re telling you could take in a bad shot.

You got a block out, you gotta defend, you gotta know they’re teaching you how [00:06:00] to play. So I think that was an acumen about basketball and a toughness, the consequence for winning and losing that we have that today’s young North Americans don’t have, I would say the Europeans, they figured it out.

Cause they’re playing professionally at 16. Luca was 16. The Gasol  brothers were 16. Ricky Rubio was 15 all the time. Those guys can be in the NBA at 19, they’ve been pros for three or four years. They’re ready to play in the NBA. They’re not playing in age group and hoping they’re good enough there.

They’re coming ready and ready tomake an impact. And I think that’s why we have MVPs and work in the years that aren’t from this country.

Mike Klinzing: [00:06:41] I couldn’t agree with you more. You’re what you just described. That scenario is one that I’ve described on the podcast. A bunch of times in terms of the way I grew up.

And I think. What I would add on to what you would say about adults and figuring out what your role is and making sure that you can get on the court. I used to go up to the courts early when I was, again, [00:07:00] 13, 14, 15, be the first kid there. I would be the first person there so that I could maybe get in that first game.

With the adults before everybody started rolling in and I wanted  to be the last guy to leave. Cause I wanted to play in that first game. So I knew I could always get two games. I could always get the first one and I knew I could always get the last one. And then in between you got to kind of fend for yourself and figure it out.

The other thing that goes along with what you talked about in terms of always playing with the kids, your own age group, is that you never, I just think kids never get an opportunity anymore to play. At a high level against good competition. There isn’t a coach where there isn’t mom and dad in the stands where there isn’t an official. And I think you just lose so much. I think about the experience that I had, that mimics what you had. And I attribute my development as a player to play against older guys, whether that was when I was 14 playing against seniors in high school and college players and adults. And even if those adults are college players, even if their skill level is not tremendously high, when you’re 15 and you’re playing against the [00:08:00] person who’s 28 years old, there’s things that they can do to you just from a physical standpoint, that you have to learn how to figure out and adapt to, and to your point kids today, when you start playing on a travel team, when you’re seven or eight years old, and that’s all you do is play against your own age group.

 You never really get to extend up out of your comfort zone and I think when you’re always playing with mom and dad watching, there’s a tendency for you to keep doing the things that you do well, and you don’t get to add stuff to your game. And I think that’s where we fall short in today’s basketball.

David Magley: [00:08:28] Well, and I think there’s not a lot of consequence for losing. I was at Notre Dame one time and Valparaiso was recruiting my son and I remember calling Bryce Drew and it was a Sunday afternoon and he said, Mags, I’m at the convocation center come out and watch a game with me and then we’ll go get a pizza.

Great. So I went over and I sat next to him and we’re watching a kid that ended up at Iowa and, Oh, wow. Is this the championship game? No, these, these two teams haven’t won. This is the sixth [00:09:00] game of a tournament. These teams haven’t won a game and there’s 12 division one coaches here. Yeah. They all really liked this kid from Iowa.

Doesn’t anybody notice that he hasn’t won a game? I mean, is that not a problem? It matters if you win or lose, they’re still coming up because they want the kids. And you go where’s the consequence for losing? There was a consequence for losing when we were kids and that’s good because that’s how we get past it because you don’t want to happen one day, Mike, you stopped having to be the first of the last, because you walked up and they go, hold up.

Here comes Mike. I got Mike, he’s going to be my first pick. And that one day people go back and they say, Hey, I got to play with Dave Magley. You go from that kid playing to being the kid that everybody talks about. I mean, I got to saw him. I saw him score 24 against Jordan. I saw him playing in college.

That’s all I’m saying. The NBA, you know, all those things become. I, I joke about how bad my NBA career was. Don’t joke about that on the West side [00:10:00] of South Bend because I’m still the pride of the West side. Cause I I was part of that family that grew up and I say, family means the neighborhood.

When we got done, we all piled in the back of the park directors Vega and he took us to A&W and for $2 and 50 cents. He bought a couple of gallons and wwe thought we were living large, probably we’re lucky, but no, it was just part of growing up as a kid back then.

Mike Klinzing: [00:10:28] Yeah. I think that community is something that you don’t see very often anymore where sort of your hometown takes you under their wing, and everybody’s excited and wants to see you have success because you’re part of that greater community.

Whereas today, I think what happens is that. Kids and their own individual family and their own individual goals kind of become the thing that supersedes everything else. Like you said, it’s supersedes team success where it doesn’t matter what my AAU teams record [00:11:00] is. Does he? No matter what my high school team’s record is, I’m more focused on what’s happening for me.

And there’s such an emphasis. In high school basketball and consequently in summary, you basketball in chasing that pot of a scholarship at the end of a rainbow. And too often, I think. Kids miss out on all the things that we’re talking about, just the love of the game and getting the chance to play on the playground, play for your high school team.

And everybody’s so focused on that next thing that’s going to happen, that they forget to enjoy the moment I say all the time that, some of my greatest moments in basketball were moments out on the playground, just playing with the guys that I grew up playing with. Some of that stuff overwhelms some of the things that I was able to do in my high school career, my college career.

And I just think about the best times of my life with the game of basketball. A lot of them were actually on the playground.

David Magley: [00:11:51] Well, it’s funny because when I was a high school coach, I would tell my guys, listen, This was the greatest time of your [00:12:00] life. I played a Kansas. I played in the NBA, played all over the world, but I’m telling you the sureness of high school basketball when done the right way is the greatest basketball in the world, because it means something you’re playing for your school, your community, your side of town, your neighborhood, your family.

There’s so many motivations behind. Winning for money, for the different mindsets changed, you go to college. It changes everything’s changed. The greatest time of basketball life is when you’re in high school. And it was even more special when we played, especially in Indiana, because I played before there was class basketball.

There were no classes. Everybody played everybody. So when I went to Plymouth, my senior year, my mother had died of cancer.  I hurt my shoulder and I was playing in a shoulder brace that was looked worse than it was. And the second best guy on the team flunked off.

The [00:13:00] next town, about 30 minutes from South bend that everybody boos you every time you touch the ball. And I was the only one they were booing   because I was the only white guy playing a lot. And then two of us were, but I was getting, every time I touched the ball, they yell at me.

They booed, they booed, they booed and I had 40 some points and when it was done, I went over it and the coach said, come sit by me because they won’t throw things at you. If you sit by me, if you sit there the quarters and you’re gonna get hit by some stuff, some ice, just sit by me. And when I went and sat next to my coach, The gym got quiet and then it started erupting in cheers.

So we were winning by a lot and the crowd was giving me a standing ovation, even though they hated me. They’re still, I ask of all people that knew something special, it just happened. And they may never see 47 points scored in that game, in that manner. Would that be brace with a kid who lost his mind?

The second bus? I mean, they knew this Laurie, the Indiana story was such a big deal back [00:14:00] then that you would go. How can I beat that no matter where I play, no matter where I go, no matter what I do, I can never beat that feeling of playing at that highest level of basketball with fans that you’re playing for your school and the pride in the city.

And, and the thing about South Bend, all of us played in the same sectional. So when the sectional came around, which is the first round of the, of the city tournament to go to the state, Everybody in every neighborhood painted their house, the color in crepe paper up there. So my side of town was red and black for the lions and, and Riley was purple and gold.

And Adams was orange was, was, was, was, was red and blue and Washington was green and white. So when you go through these neighborhoods, they were all decorating their homes in the colors of the team. And then when you would win sectional, Now I’m representing South pencil. The Mark keys of the liquor stores are gold lions when regional gold [00:15:00] line.

And then when you win the regional and you go down to the semi-state, the whole Northern part of Indiana is go by and win state. So it just builds it. And then, you know, how can something be more impacting that? Yeah, well, yeah, the Cavs won the world championship That’s great, but that’s not the thing because those are all pro athletes. They get paid, it’s a whole different mindset. This is the greatest time in the history of basketball. You understand that? And as a high school coach, I was fortunate. I didn’t have a lot of it. And you kids, my high school kids that came in, they came to play for me because I would find them the scholarship, the old fashioned way. We’ll get in vans.

We’ll drive all over the country and I will get you a scholarship. Just don’t spend the summer away from me, play in my gym against grown men, the way we did it. And it worked with 27 guys in 11 years go to college. And it wasn’t that I was that great of a coach. It was just, we got them exposed and we went out and we made it work.

Mike Klinzing: [00:15:53] There’s so much to unpack there. Just to jump on that last point that you made. I think it would be great if we can go [00:16:00] back to having more guys be able to do what you did and provide that kind of opportunity for kids to be able to play in that kind of pickup basketball environment, you can drive around the country and we’ve talked about it on the pod before. Just the  lack of, even if you wanted to play playground basketball, there just isn’t nearly as many places as that were. When you and I were growing up, even if you were a player who wanted to seek that out, it’s just so much more difficult today.

And as we’ve said, numerous times, I just feel like that kids that I miss out on that, and it was such a great experience for me. And I think that there’s, there’s something to be said for that. And then with high school basketball, obviously the difference between. Being a fan of a high school team and being a fan of professional team at the high school level, you can get to know those kids, they can walk down your street, you can see them, or if you played against them, if you were involved and all those kinds of things. And so, yeah, I think when you look at high school basketball, there are still pockets and still places where you have that kind of following for high school basketball.

There’s still certain communities and certain areas across the [00:17:00] country where I think that’s still true. But generally speaking, I’d say that’s probably declined to some degree as well. So when you think back to your high school experience, we’re you only a basketball guy, or did you play other sports?

I know you did when you were growing up competing against your brother, but once you got into the high school level, did you play anything else?

David Magley: [00:17:17] Yeah, my first varsity letter was tennis. I went to predominantly black high school. So making a tennis team, the swimming team and the golf team was a guaranteed level.

I played basketball and baseball and played tennis again. As a junior, I played basketball and I hurt my shoulder and my coach came up to me and he goes, Mags, listen, you can be the first nine varsity letter winner. In the history of our high school. Cause we didn’t have freshmen, freshmen didn’t go to our school.

Our school was only sophomore, junior, senior. He said or you can be Mr. Basketball, but you can’t do both. That’s what do you mean? He goes there’s somebody and this was the [00:18:00] thing my brother would tell me all the time. There’s somebody playing somewhere better than you that you don’t know. So don’t get excited that you’re the best player on this team or that you’re the best player in the city, but he’s somewhere putting in work.

But while you’re hitting that tennis ball that you really don’t love. Somebody at work when you’re up there taking BP. And especially when you don’t get to do the batting and batting practice, I got to say baseball practice is the most boring thing I ever done, except for when I was batting the body back, I could take that batting practice all day long, but if I got to shag other people’s hits and I get hit to one every 30 balls, I’m going, what am I doing?

There’s  gotta be something I could be doing. Like I run around the outfield just to get. In shape because I’m going, this is incredibly boring and I was a good baseball player, but I just didn’t. I loved the games. I hated the practices cause I hated that part of it. But the basketball thing was just something that, that you’re active all the time.

And then to your point, Mike earlier, [00:19:00] everywhere you go. There’s a nine person entertainment group. They get to watch you play. So if I go to the hood in my town and I played against nine brothers that are all stronger, tougher, better than me and I put on a show, but I walked to get on my bike and drive, ride home.

I’m thinking two things. I hope I get outta here. Safe. A and V dumb guys are all saying, that’s a bad white boy. That is a bad white boy. And I loved how’d that feel. I love how that felt because I was entertaining if I go when I was 14, if I played against men, that was 28 and I was one of the best persons.

I love it. That feeling that I got, I remember somebody asked me when I was done playing for years as I, to play every day. I said, cause I love to play. And what I had to think about it was no, I like the entertaining. See, I like the fact that I’m good enough that somebody goes. Mags could still shoot for  an old guy, he’s got a bad [00:20:00] hip.

He still can score with a bad hip. It doesn’t matter. There was always something it’s kind of like that, that last day of work well, MJ would always figure out something to motivate him. I would always pick the fruit well, worst guys in my pickup games and see if I could hold the court. But I got good enough to be the captain.

I did want the best team. I wanted to be the best player. So I would pick guys that would compliment me whether they were the best one. And then when you run the court, they’re going to him, all those games with nobody, he got the, he got the peg leg and what happened. That’s what, that’s what, that’s what drove me.

I mean, if you could do that, it would make it separately. I think. So that’s kind of what. W w what I love do I pass the ball? It was just such a wonderful sport that would play ball. You got to show what you got to do. Some fun things.

Mike Klinzing: [00:20:48] I agree with you. That was one of the things, when I think back to being on the playground, one of the things that I always used to do is I never called the fall.

So whenever I was playing guys would club me and pamper me and whatever. And I just, from the [00:21:00] time I was probably a junior in high school, I just never called. I never called fouls. And, you know, that’s one of those things that, again, Guys don’t necessarily realize that if they haven’t played against you before, but then as you go on and they start to realize that you’re not going to call him, then they start to maybe try to foul you a little bit harder and you just learn how to play through contact and that goes back to the beginning of our conversation where kids today, just don’t get the opportunity to do that. And when you can overcome that and when you can use that to your advantage to become better. And then when you can, as you said, when you can beat some guys and not call fouls and not be that whiny guy that’s always wanting to check the ball up after you get followed and constantly be in that playground lawyer then that garners you more respect too. And that happens no matter what kind of court you go on could be in the suburbs, could be urban, urban setting, wherever, you know, you go and find those games and eventually you’re able to earn. The respect of the people that you’re playing against. And like you said, that’s something that kids today, they just don’t do.

And [00:22:00] I think they miss out. I think there’s something missing, whether that’s, as you said, that the consequence for winning and losing and that they just losing doesn’t hurt them as much as it did you and I, or whether it’s just the lack of competitive. I think there’s something there. I think missing.

I’ve always said that. I think kids today, if you look at players, one through 12 on the high school team, they’re probably. More skilled just in terms of basketball skill, but I don’t think they’re tougher more competitive or I don’t think their IQ is nearly as high as maybe the best players IQs were back in the time when  we were playing with the old man get off my lawn speech.

David Magley: [00:22:39] I mean, Muffet McGraw, the women’s coach, Notre Dame, but just retired. She has a quote that says. The biggest thing that parents do wrong is they rob their kids, the lessons of losing, they won’t, but their kids lose. And that’s a good, you gotta be able to lose in the eighth grade, going into the ninth.

Great. my brothers said, [00:23:00] I’m going to take you to Benton Harbor and you’re going to see things you’ve never seen before day. You know, we went up in a car and guys were smoking weed and accommodate great. My brother and I, the only white guys in the gym and one of the cars got lost. And there was only four players and we have uniforms.

And so they said you gotta dress and play in this men’s tournament with, I mean, these guys played at Michigan State, they played in the Michigan city, federal penitentiary. These were some rough guys and the gym was packed and I’m a skinny eighth grader warming up. They had to know, I wasn’t a man.

I was just a kid warming up and I’m looking through the other door to see what’s going to come. What’s going to come. And the car doesn’t show up. So now I got the kids start with four guys. They’re got to think of the start. So I I’m starting against these grown men from the federal pen and I come down to court and I’m wide open for a deep shot and I won’t shoot it.

I throw it back to my brother. He throws it back to me and I throw it back to him and he calls time out. I walk over to the [00:24:00] bench. What are you doing, man? I’m not shooting a shot. He said, it’s you don’t shoot the shot. I’m going to beat you up in front of all these people. you think you’re scared of them?

You’re scared what’s going to happen. You might get your shot blocked, but you need to be scared of me cause I am crazy and I will beat you up for not taking that shot. And I’m like, I missed out on the court. I buried a deep jumper and you could hear the murmur. Before, you know, I have 28 points, I guess he’s grown men as an eight grader in the big tournament.

And that served me my entire high school career, because if I played against a team as a freshmen, My brother would call me up after the game and go, why are you playing scared? I took you to the dust bowl up in Grand Rapids. I’m looking up in Benton Harbor and you didn’t back down from anybody yet.

You’re playing, I guess somebody from Adams. And it would be like, yeah, you’re right. I’m not afraid to edit. There’s that much more that comes by being able to play against men that that’s, that, that, that you just don’t [00:25:00] have today because it’s like, Oh my gosh, I played against this great player. That’s a five star.

What does that mean? I don’t care about that. There are better than the guy played against in the summertime. I just think that that’s, that’s, that’s kind of where it was. And if I would have had a bad day, that would have been okay too, because I was the youngest kid. There was a built in excuse. So just go for it.

Mike Klinzing: [00:25:19] No doubt about that. When did you, at what point in your college career, did you start to realize and understand that you were going to have an opportunity to go and play at the high division one college level?

David Magley: [00:25:30] You know, honestly, I’m like I was starting to get recruited pretty good as a sophomore.

there is a junior, the Midland we’re coming in hard. Then I went to an all American camp at Malone College in Canton, Ohio. And there were like 12 all Americans there and, you know, a bunch of all-state players. And I got most outstanding performer in the camp. So I jumped [00:26:00] the leader board to be one of the better players in the state I got on the cover of the Indiana Hoosiers magazine? Hoosier hysteria. With Larry Bird as a senior in college, I was a senior in high school and at all these things were all the other players in the state, but I started getting recognized. And so it was pretty confident. I was going to be a big time D1 player, but I didn’t take many recruiting visits.

Cause my mom was dying. So I mean, Kansas, I visited Michigan. That was it. And then I visited Purdue informally. Oh, I had Hawaii, Rhode Island, some fun visits that I could have had some unique experiences and maybe picked up a couple of dollars, but I couldn’t take them because it was getting too close to the time where my mom was going to die.

And I just. I just couldn’t. I would never forgive myself if I was on some BD English recruiting trip and my mother was passing. I wasn’t there. So, you know, after, after I went to Kansas, Michigan, I knew it was going to be one of those two schools and there was nothing else to think about. So we were, we were already [00:27:00] there.

So I got into that pretty quickly and focused on just getting ready for my senior year.

Mike Klinzing: [00:27:07] Why no visit with Indiana and Bob Knight, obviously they’re at the height of going undefeated in 1976. They’re going to win another national title as I’d say, in the coming years. Why? Just explain the thinking there?

David Magley: [00:27:22] Well, they had recruited some pretty good players. I mean, Mike Woodson was a year or two ahead of me and he was very good guard, small forward, like me. And I was aware of that and, you know, I didn’t like what I had heard about coach Knight and the way he spoke to the guys. And not that I couldn’t handle some strength, but I just, you know, if it wasn’t fair, it seemed like the longer guys were there, the less they got to play some times just, I just was nervous about it, but he came to visit.

And when he came to visit again, this was in the fall of my senior year. My mom was dying and. Our rule was anybody that was more than 20 minutes late. I don’t care who you [00:28:00] are. I can’t stay. Cause I got to go see my mom and I didn’t have a car. So I had to hitchhike downtown to see my mom in the house.

Well, it’s Bob Knight. He had just won the NCAA championship two years earlier. And his assistant coach was a guy named Bob Donewald, who was a great high school coach in South Bend, before he went to IU, he took John last Caspian, Tom Abernathy with two great players. He coached and they wanted it. And that was the undefeated team with in 76 with Ted Benson and Bobby Wilkerson. And those five guys were amazing, Scott May, but then Coach Knight came in about two hours later and I’m sitting there talking to my coaches in the gym. I don’t even want to talk to him. What am I doing? And he said, I said, what should I talk to him about it?

He goes, well, I asked him why. So when you guys put his team. So he walks in the gym and he goes, before I get started, are you, and I’m sorry, I should have asked about the business school about anything. And he [00:29:00] was angry, but I’m 17 years old. I can’t tell a grown man is mad. I think everyone’s mad. I looked at him and I go, I guess I’m just wondering why so many guys left your team, some great all Americans. And he was losing a lot of players and he lost his mind. It seemed like 20 minutes was probably 20 seconds, but he called me all kinds of names that I hadn’t heard since I’m, that’s one from my dad, but this long hair, and I heard you do drugs and that’s just crazy conversation.

And I just said, you know, coach, I can go to school. I mean, I can go home and have my father talks to me like this. I don’t need to go to college and hear this because when you’re not asking goodness to come to you anyways, I said, well, I may not be, but I know one thing I’m not going there. And I put my long hair on my hat and I walk out.

Five months later, the headlines in Indianapolis stars, 1978, Indian Mr. Basketball, David Magley little article on the bottom says [00:30:00] Knight says Magley, doesn’t deserve Mr. Basketball. And he’s quoted as saying that this should go to a guy that stays in the state.  Magley is leaving the state is, does sees that it just no things.

And then, then we played Indiana, Kentucky all-star classic. And I went number one on my shirt from being Mr. Basketball. And. Yeah, the games televise and I’m awful. I don’t play very good. And they asked Knight walking by, they put them on their color commentator. He said, what are you thinking? He goes, look, he’s a bum.

He doesn’t play hard. He doesn’t care. Look at his long hair, he’s got bad a bad attitude. I mean, they were all real things that I did and handled the all star experience . Everybody on my all star team was as good as me or maybe better. And they, maybe they should have been Mr. Basketball. I was just the best story.

That’s why I got Mr. Basketball. I mean, Randy Whitman was a great player, Ted Kitchell, Landon Turner project rights. All those guys won national championships, poncho Louisville, and I, you. Chad garner started at Michigan Curt Clawson started at Purdue. John Hegwood [00:31:00] boss, Brian started in San Francisco and San Francisco is really good.

Dale white was a great planning in my state and, Greg Jones was a really good player at Boston. So you’ve got these great players, Jackie Martin, Nebraska, all these great players that all started D1 that thought they were as good as me and I just didn’t manage well. So four years later we’re at camp I’m at Kansas.

So we play st. John’s, I guess Chris Mullins and a double overtime game. And then the next night we play in the Ana, after they beat going over. And it was like, you know, the ECC all festival is it’s the two of us going at it and I’m going, Oh my gosh, I get to play against you in the garden. Couldn’t be better than this, but they’re the best man to man defensive team in the country.

Yeah, they’re just really good at it. And that’s the year after Isaiah and then won the championship. And so they had Jimmy Thomas and Uwe blob and, and Landon had gotten hurt. They got in the car accident was paralyzed. And before the game. I saw Coach Knight in the [00:32:00] tunnel, in the garden. And I said, well, let me see how he is.

I said, coach, you know, David Magley did, because I know who you are. Oh crap. So how’s Landon doing? He goes Dave Landers. Yeah, no, we got him a van we’re to make sure any graduates, but know it’s really nice of you to ask about them. I’ll tell them that. Wish you all the best. I’m like, Oh wow, man, coach.

Cool. So the first time down the corridor, Bobby, on my back left handed, the Hitsville Bay Bob’s foot goes out in front of the, eventually Knight stands up and gives me the ball and goes you weren’t good enough to come to IU. That hot dog shit. Wouldn’t work here. Excuse my language.

I get the ball. I throw it in. I get a pack in grip, his gardening score up on home to try to take them off the job, my dribble off my own foot. And he tells me there’s no effing way. You were good enough to come to IU. And the entire game, every time I touched the ball, my memory is he’s got something to say.

He’s got something to say, I will say nothing. You’ve got something to say [00:33:00] eight minutes to go on the game. I got eight points and we’re up by eight. And I’m thinking if we can hold on and beat IU. And I could score two more points. I’m going home, a conquering hero, right. And South bend Bagley beets. It’s the greatest thing in my mind.

Again, I’m always playing these games in my mind. So we go to the huddle and Jo Jo White, the great Boston Celtic was our assistant coach and he never spoken to huddle and he sat down and he goes, he sat in coach’s chair. What’s this about? He said, listen, we’re going to shut Knight up. I’m like what? He goes. Yeah, nobody shoots the rest of the game but Mags. Well, wait a minute. I got the green light. I could shoot every time, not the court. You’re not going to take me out. No consequence. He said, yeah, but you’re only getting this one time. I was only needed one time. And I came down to court dribbling between my legs. I looked at Knight and this is possibly a long day to you buddy.

He said, F you and I said, F you and I’ve been around. I said, he’s too slow. He can’t guard [00:34:00] me. He goes, what I scored, I scored 24 in the last eight minutes of the game. And every time I score, I yell at the bench and he yelled at me and the people in New York. Loved it. And I had 32 and we beat you and he didn’t shake anybody’s hands, chase.

The rough read in the locker room walked in, said I got nothing to say, but I hate that sob. It was like the greatest moment of my basketball career to have a great game against Knight after he wasn’t very friendly to me. But the end of that story is. Years later, he’s trying to recruit Woody Austin, a great scorer that went to Purdue.

Who’s one of my coaches, he’s my coaches up a Mr. Basketball. My coach left Richmond in high school and he calls him at Chris’ house and he gets Knight on the phone call. I’m not talking to coach tonight, just take it. And I said, hello? And he goes, Oh wow. You know, now I’m like 32. You’re not just going to talk to me like you did when I was 22.

I’m like, yeah, this is David Magley. Who is this? He was just [00:35:00] bopped up and after night he goes, Oh, you got sob, the played att Kansas. I said, yeah,

he was cursing me, but in a kind of a complimentary way. So the same language that he beat me up with, he would be kind of friendly with AMIA. Again, I wouldn’t have had a problem with my son playing up Wong. Again, I believe what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger sometimes, but that was my Bob Knight story.

Mike Klinzing: [00:35:28] It’s kind of amazing. When you think about that story that you’ve told. And I, you know, I’ve had conversations with other people that have had interactions with Coach Knight over the course of time. You think about the Season on the Brink and that book and just the experiences that you may have had at the University of Kansas than I had when I played at Kent State.

You know, guys that you talk about that are in your circles that have different experiences with coaches. And it’s kind of amazing that, you know, obviously what coach Knight, the way he conducted himself and the way that [00:36:00] he talked to players. You project that into the year 20, 20, and clearly there’s no way that that type of coaching and that type of thing goes and flies in today’s world.

And yet in the world that he was in back then from a basketball tactician standpoint and being, you know, a great X’s and O’s coach and all that thing. And just the guys that were able to. They come through and play for them for four years. Always have a lot of good things to say about him, but yet you look at some of the stories like you just told, it’s kind of amazing that there was ever a time where an adult talking to a 17 or 18 year old kid, the way he talked to you on that initial story is kind of amazing that that situation ever existed.

David Magley: [00:36:44] Kids today, don’t care what you know, until they know that you care and love is a much more powerful, motivator than fear. And it’s just, it’s just, it’s just the evolution of coaching, that wasn’t even inappropriate for coach Knight back then. Cause that’s just what coaches did. I mean, [00:37:00] my coach at Kansas Ted Owens.

Is one of my dearest friends in the world. And when I got to Kansas, it took me a while to adjust to the strength that he brought to me. By the time I was a senior coach had gotten married and had some new babies. And my wife was Michelle. His wife’s good friend, babysitter and coach would come home and he’d have to see me sitting in his lazy boy eating his fresh fruit.

And all of a sudden we went from coach player to Prince. And I had an amazing senior year and I worked hard for it. And coach tells a story that I made myself a great athlete and I did, but the reality was I knew he believed to me, he played me. He let me play through mistakes. It just changed my world the way he treated me.

And, you know, coach walked my son down the aisle because my father had passed away. When my son got married. I mean, that’s how close we are as a family. I mean,  I literally love the man. And he’s in his nineties. [00:38:00] And he came to one of my classes one time when I was coaching high school. And he said, you know, we were losing at half time by my like 40 and I make it 30 and I wouldn’t have time.

I said, guys, I got some good news and some bad news. They said, what’s that I saw the bad news is we’re probably gonna lose. It looked at me and I said, what’s the good news. I said, that’s spoken hot pep, man. Director’s going home. Meet him. Right. And she’s going to feel bad cause you guys played so bad.

So I got up and they looked at me like, what are you talking about guys? It’s just a game, relax, have fun and be the best you can be. And if we don’t win, it’s okay. We’re still of Florida. We’re going to wake up in the morning. It’s going to be good. And we relaxed and we upset IMG was a nationally, right?

Came back, all that big and won. And he looked at me on the way home because, you know, I understood that what you did at halftime, you didn’t talk one thing X’s and O’s, if I understood that better, when I was at Kansas, I would have won some national championships. Cause that is a, that’s a [00:39:00] skill set that, that, that is evolved into today’s world.

That most people didn’t have back then.

Mike Klinzing: [00:39:08] Yeah, I agree with you a hundred percent. I think that the coaching profession has definitely changed and shifted to the point where that relationship with players that you described with coach Owen, something that coaches today value. I think just again, across the board, that’s not to say that it didn’t exist back.

Can we play? Because obviously you’re a living example of the fact that it did, but I think it was rare back then. I think there was much more of you do it this way, because I said that we do it this way. We’re focused on. Yeah, how come we’re focused on winning games? We’re not so much focused on that relationship.

And as you just described earlier, you know, love ends up getting you a lot more is a lot more motivating than fear.

David Magley: [00:39:48] I remember my senior year in high school, a legitimate Mr. Basketball candidate, all American and our second best player was going to go to Oklahoma. They go to Oklahoma. and he had like [00:40:00] 36 in a game and was like 18 for 22.

And I was like 1230 and I had 24 and everybody was talking about how great Donnie was. And I was so stick jealous of him for playing so much better than me. but I, so that was on a Saturday on Sunday. I called my coach up and I said, Griff, listen, you know, my mom died at my shoulder and all that stuff.

I think I’m going to just sit off the rest of the year and go to Kansas and also going to Kansas. and he goes, he goes, what I said, yeah, I don’t, I don’t think I’m going to finish the rest of the season. And his answer was priceless. He said, well, we’re going to miss ya. And he hung up. I’m like, wait, wait, I’m

Mr. Basketball, Indiana. I’m off. And he turned it. He told me years later, he turned, he looked at his wife and his wife and said, who was Mags? What did he want? Well, I think he [00:41:00] quit. Because why you gotta call him back? He said that three minutes, it took you to dial it back. Cause he sat there going, please call, please replace me.

But he was determined. He was not, they call me back and that. That respect of him was that, Hey, no matter who you are, you’re not going to treat me that way. And that’s the, that’s the other thing that coaches miss today is they want to be too friendly and they want to be too loving to the point that they let the boys run them over my high school coaches, my best friends, who, I mean, again, he dealt with my mom dying and my dad and all this craziness of wrong, but he was always like a father to me.

And that was free, but it meant love too. And that’s what I, I grew up under his is amazing college coach Bobby, an amazing high school coach and loved me. So when I became a high school coach, myself and the pro coach,  it was a pretty easy thing for me to do.

Mike Klinzing: [00:41:55] So, what does that look like from a coaching standpoint, where you have to build that [00:42:00] relationship, but you can’t be so relationship focused that you let your players walk all over and take advantage of you.

So in your mind, What does that look like? Or how would you describe the ideal player coach relationship? Or what did you do to try to foster that?

David Magley: [00:42:15] I would always tell the guys it’s real simple in high school. When I was a high school coach, I would say, listen, this is how it works. This is not a democracy.

This is not democracy. It’s a benevolent dictatorship and I’m the King. And if you don’t like that, I’m probably the wrong school. Now I’m going to treat your child. Just like I treat my own child. I’m never going to raise my voice. I’m never going to call them out their name. I’m never going to curse them, but if they can’t hear my voice, I’m not going to change who I am because your son has to be.

He may need to either not play the sport or go to another school because he’s not going to play for me if I have some abuse. [00:43:00] And then when I got to the pros, it was the same thing cross-culture pro and Canada is a great player. And they’d be like, coach, if you just get honest a little bit more. No, no, no, no, no.

If I got to get on you, I got Michael Ray Richardson, the coaches in our league that will give you all common things that he’s going to call you. I’ll tell you here, change there. They’d love to have you. That’s a good fit, but you’re not gonna play for me. I asked you, can’t hear my voice, somebody that can, so those are the consequences.

I’m just not going to keep you. I love you. I’m gonna love you from afar. Cause that’s still gonna win. So it’s one of those things. I’m not going to curse you. I’m not going to raise my voice, but you’re going to respect me because if you don’t like, I got the right to find other people. And we want, we bought a lot of games and I really was because I may be the worst.

Mike, I’m the worst X’s and O’s guy I’m convinced I’ve ever met. I don’t care about horns. I don’t care about, I don’t care about how you defend a pick and roll. I don’t care about any of that stuff. All I care about is can I get the most out of this kid? Will he play unselfishly move without the ball.

Does he understand spacing? Does he take [00:44:00] defense personally? I mean, these are concepts that I believe in and if guys would right and we always have winning records and we always have a chance to win a championship. And part of it was just because the kids believed in each other and they learned how to play.

Too many people spend too much time trying to run the system and at the plate, they’re not there. They’re there. They’re thinking they’re not reacting. They’re not playing. So my whole thing was just teaching guys how to play and if they got it, they would be pretty darn good. And we were fortunate that we won a lot of games.

Mike Klinzing: [00:44:29] I love that. I love the phrase. Learning how to play and teaching the team how to play. And I always use the analogy of you walk into a gym and you’re watching a game and I’ll be sick with somebody and I’ll just turn it off the person I’m with. And I’ll say that kid’s a basketball player and the person I’m with will inevitably say, well, what do you mean by that?

I’m like, A person’s a basketball player. The other nine players out there are playing basketball, but that kid’s a basketball player. And when you see a basketball player or a God who knows how play [00:45:00] those people stand out like a sore thumb to anybody who knows the game, you can just immediately tell that somebody knows how to play the game.

And that’s what I hear you saying from a coaching standpoint is those are the kind of guys you’re looking for. Those are the kinds of things that you’re trying to teach, and it doesn’t matter what. System, you put a basketball players into, if you put guys play into any system, they’re going to figure out how to make it work because they’re basketball players.

David Magley: [00:45:26] What’s tough about today’s kids is, is, is the almost drill too much.

No, I’ve never seen a call, still a ball. I’ve never seen a call move its feet and defend the block out. Yeah. We spend hours dribbling around cones, making movies. And the reality for me was listen. By the time I was done, I evolved on this, but by the time, my last year in coaching in the pros was, I didn’t have any picks, not pick away, not pick, not ball, pick, not anything instead of picking out what a dive cuts, because if [00:46:00] you cut hard enough, Someone was going to have to help on you.

And that, that meant someone else was going to be over. So the act, the ultimate act of this was, was moving with that. And I look at the other greatest stat in my lifetime was when Klay Thompson scored 61 points on 11 dribbles in less than a minute. It’ll happen in a 48 minute game. And the worst out of my lifetime was when James harden dribbled more dribbles in the entire starting pie of the golden state warriors.

I mean, that’s the difference than what basketball should be played in my sight, in my mind sight. In my mind versus the way it is. I mean, I think the NBA ratings are going down because the, the level of play isn’t underwater, it’s too much myopic. One-on-one clear   a side pick and rolls. Two people are involved and I’m going to shoot to get more rebound on my stats are going to be great, but I’d rather watch.

Golden state when they’re fun. I’d rather watch [00:47:00] when the calves were playing ball together. When, when, when, when, when a San Antonio is playing while together and they’re, and they’re moving without the ball, that’s fun basketball. But when you watch today’s game, some of it is just brutal because it’s so darn selfish.

Yeah.

Mike Klinzing: [00:47:13] We have a long standing distaste for the Houston rockets and James Harden. We often Jason, I discuss just the fact that he’s an amazing talent and the things that he can do with the basketball and the shots that he makes are just,

Jason Sunkle: [00:47:28] Distaste is a a nice way to put it Mike.

Mike Klinzing: [00:47:32] leave it.

I’ll leave it with, I’ll just leave it with this taste, but yeah. It’s just, you watch that. And I always say, yeah, it may be incredible to watch and he may be just an incredible one-on-one player. But if you’re one of the other four guys on that team, That’s gotta be brutal to be a teammate of a guy who just pounds ball pounds, the ball pounds of ball.

Even if that, even if that’s your system and, you know, going in gay, you know, gay [00:48:00] men game out that that’s what you’re going to be having to do. I just, there’s no way I would ever want to play in that kind of environment. I don’t know if I want to play in that kind of environment being the James harden Harden.

David Magley: [00:48:10] I think he’s a great tick tock player.

Meaning what, what is about it’s tick tock, 20 seconds. Yeah, well, it’s fun to watch those 20 seconds of highlights, but to watch a 48 minute game is brutal. It’s good. I mean, he’s good at it. Does that mean he’s good at stealing everybody’s data to exactly.

Tick tock, tick tock has been stealing data.

Mike Klinzing: [00:48:33] So apparently

David Magley: [00:48:33] I guess I don’t want to hit any of those apps, right? Yeah, there’ll be no, I think, but I think, I think, I think it’s just, you look at Instagram, you look at, you look at these,  these people that have a minute or less, that you can do video on it.

And those guys are great because they’re great for highlights. But they’re not great to watch it for games. There’s the reason why people would rather watch a college game than a pro game because they move without the ball. [00:49:00] They have better  spacing. It’s just more fun to watch the watching the guy that can dominate the game.

it’s to me, it’s just nothing. Yes. I don’t know him personally or not, but I just think that. But I’d rather watch a guy that gets everybody involved and everybody moves. Everybody catches a ball shoes, but what I do combines for our league and I’m looking for guys that can play at the next level, I want to see, can anybody do two things?

Will you run to the corner and will you catch and shoot and not put the ball on the floor? It is so hard to find people that can do that because everybody wants to stop at the 45 degree angle. Catch it three dribble, stop pop,

go to the corner. Catch and shoot. Well, no, but you don’t understand. Come back. I know what you can do. I want to see, can you do that? Because that right there means that I can give my great point or the ball and you cannot get off of you. Cause you’re in that corners from the court, praise them to work.

He’s going to get everybody else [00:50:00] involved. If you’re in that corner and the other guys in that corner and you guys can nail it because if you can keep the court spread a great punk Archon can, can make you a lot of money. But if you’re going to come down and you can stop at the 45 degree, you’re going to run in this way.

You’re going to get in his way. You’re going to make it hard to work. You’re going to jump in and take the ball off the guy’s hands. I really want to have it. Then you got to go someplace else. It doesn’t matter. What you do is need you to get in that corner, catch and shoot. If guys understood that there’s a value to that, I would say.

Mike Klinzing: [00:50:34] It’s so interesting. Just how the game has evolved and changed and how the emphasis on the line and spacing has completely changed the game. If you go back and think about your playing career and the way you played and the places you went on, the court and the things that you did compared to what you just described of what a player needs to be able to do today and the game to have success.

It’s so completely. [00:51:00] Different than the way the game was when you and I were playing. And yet at the same time, I still think that that’s all IQ and being a basketball player is still critically important. And yet, as you described the skillset that is needed in a lot of cases, especially for roleplayers, this is one of the things that we’ve had.

Some discussions we had Mike Procopio on, who used to be with the Mavericks. And Mike always talked to us about the fact that so many of the players in the league, there’s only. Whatever 15, 20, 25, whatever number you want to give of players who get to have the ball in their hands all the time, make decisions and do all those things.

And everybody else just as a role, and you gotta figure out what your role is. You gotta be good at the things that your organization or your team need you to do. And that’s exactly what you were just describing his look. We already got a guy and then we’re gonna put the ball in his hands. Now we need guys who can play off him and help him to be better.

And that’s just, it’s just a, such a different, it’s such a different way of thinking. And to your point, if you’re a guy who let’s say going to have a professional career, the reason why you’re going to have a professional careers, pretty good throughout your high school, college career and you think that you can be the guy who, the straw that stirs the drink.

But by the time you get to the pro level, that just isn’t the case anymore. And I’m sure you see that all the time.

David Magley: [00:52:15] Mike where did you grow up?

Mike Klinzing: [00:52:21] I grew up in Cleveland, Ohio, so suburban Cleveland called Strongsville.

David Magley: [00:52:23] I know exactly where it is. I used to sell a ceiling tile just to James lumber, but when I was living in Akron, I used to play at a park in Cuyahoga falls called Valley Vista park.

There was a guy named John Jameson. Who was just a,an old man.

Mike Klinzing: [00:52:45] Okay. So, so I played against John all the time. He used to come and play at the annex at Kent, you can come and play in the NFL all the time. And that guy, I know, I know what you would say about him. So go ahead and tell yourself

David Magley: [00:52:57] if you didn’t get him to shop, but he [00:53:00] was hoping he was going to yell at you.  For the whole. So I used to go out and play against you, probably at the annex with Jamerson. I was surprised. We played at the Mogadore league. We played in the Stow League. We played in the Wadsworth league

Mike Klinzing: [00:53:17] Did you play with Andy, a guy with a red beard.

David Magley: [00:53:20] Yes, I did. I was one of the boys. There you go.

John, John Coda, guardians to play with. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the thing about Jamie, I mean, it’s kids, kids. They played in the NBA at one time and Tom was a good player to hire you. They both went down there, but. I met John and it was like, he was such a great guy, but he was such a competitor.

But if you didn’t give him the ball, when he was opening, he was so mad. Shoot that thing too. Now he can really shoot it. Yeah.

Mike Klinzing: [00:53:52] That guy was one of those. You’d watch a play to kind of, I dunno, I don’t even know. I have no idea how old he was, you know, when he was playing with me when I [00:54:00] was at college, but he was still running up and down the floor with college guys clearly couldn’t move the way that a younger college kid could do, but you give him a wide open shot.

You give him, you give him any space at all. And he could knock it down. I played against his Sunday, obviously when he was at OU and I was a cat, Dave, we played him Watson, Dave, I think he had, I think, yeah, 52 against me and I was the primary guy and the gardener. And I don’t think he took a shot inside of probably 24 feet in that part of the college lines, 19 nine at that time.

David Magley: [00:54:30] So, so, so we went down. So to Athens. Yeah, Tommy was in high school. It was going to be a rising senior. There was a kid from Cleveland that played with  and Buford. John Buford at that was, John Cola at John Jay Morrison and me and we went down there just to play pickup with, with Graham and DJ and three or four other guys.

[00:55:00] And we own them on their main floor for Jamer and me, you all guys, we gotta hire a couple of high school kids with us. I mean, we went down there loaded for bear. They was like, man, you guys killing us. Or we went down there. Cause it just tells you that the, the, the level of who we were not. No, I became good friends.

A lot. My Treg Lee had not moved up. I moved to Columbus. It’s all those guys in the Worthington summer league all the time. But I was in my thirties giving them the business when they were in college. Cause it meant something to me. You know, if I got, if I got 40 against very card in the summer league or Jimmy Jackson, I’m proud of that.

They don’t even know who I am. It doesn’t matter. I just go an old man. I feel good about that.

Mike Klinzing: [00:55:56] That’s awesome. And see, those are the things, those stories right there [00:56:00] that we just spent five minutes on and people who are listening to podcasts are like, who are these guys talking about? What’s their approach to you? Those stories are ones that will live with us. Forever. Like you just don’t get a chance to relive those. We used to play on, like, you’re talking about the Worthington summer league. We used to play down the program down at Cleveland state. I know one year we put together a team, we had a bunch of college guys.

We had, you’d probably remember Scott Roth.

David Magley: [00:56:23] Yeah.

Mike Klinzing: [00:56:28] I grew up like a town or two over from, you know, from where I grew up. And he, one day I was out on the playground here in Strongsville. Playing by myself in the middle of the summer, like 90 degrees. And I was probably, I don’t know, I was probably 13, 14 years old when I met him and he pulled in his Mercedes and we said, Hey, I’m looking for somebody to play one-on-one full court and speak, will you do it?

You know, you’re, I am a 13, 14 year old kid, like sure. This is, and he and I got to be friends and whatever, so that Scott played in our Pro-Am league team and we ended up beating a bunch of guys down [00:57:00] there and your same point, it meant something to us. It was just fun.

David Magley: [00:57:03] I remember playing in that league.

I played on a team with Mark Price. I was on Mark Price’s team in that league, and I love that league. Those are. That was a great league. That was, that was good. Scott Roth from, I need to start robbing. He was in high school and I worked the Indiana’s day camp and I was at K, Kansas, and he came down and worked it.

And then Scott is friends with Eric Musselman, I played for the Cavs. They were always hanging around the gym. And he was always a smart alec. And it’s funny. Cause I thought three years ago at the NBA summer league, it’s like, you still look fat or something like 40 years the first year. How are you doing?

How’s the family. You appreciate, you don’t appreciate this story then. So Scott and I typically over the course of our adult life stayed in [00:58:00] relative contact for, you know, like we might shoot an email back and forth to each other, like once a year or whatever, but we had one period where we didn’t talk for probably, I don’t know, four or five years, something like that, then I sent him an email and somehow I was to send him a link to something like my website. Hey, check this out. Whatever. And his email that he wrote back to me is where the hell is all your hair. Same thing. I’m talking to you,

David Magley: [00:58:26] Scott, like five years now. That’s the best to come up with my number. In Akron when I was living there. Joe Jakubic.

Yeah. Lefty lefty. Yeah. I couldn’t understand. I mean, we would play against each other in the, in the, in the Wadsworth league and Jamerson was on my team. John was, and he knew that I knew to get him the ball. And then he knew when I was going out to get me the ball. We had a game where, where we’re, where we both have  and you know what?

There was nothing, either one of us could do to [00:59:00] stop each other. Cause if you guard Joe, he looked like he was. Malnourished kind of fall down and he wasn’t very athletic, never missed a futile, got every fricking call. He was just a beast and I was a little stronger and I hadn’t gotten too much. Have you saw still better athletes?

So I was go at them that way. Jamie, it’s one of those things, like if I said I had 72 and I had 71, Jamie,

Mike Klinzing: [00:59:31] I believe it. I believe that that’s good stuff for that is reminiscent about those times. I’m sure anybody who’s out there in the audience can hear. The passion that both you and I have for our time on the playground playing.

Yeah. That’s it. That could be true Disappear. Who knows? There’s you never, you never know. You never know what JC, you never know where he is. He may. You may jump in

[01:00:00] David Magley: [00:59:59] or jump back out right before we get down here. Come on. He is serious. I don’t know any of these people you’re talking about. I’m only, I’m only 30, 33 there. So I got her off. I got, I got stuff in my older than you.

Mike Klinzing: [01:00:17] Jason is a young buck. Alright, let’s go back. I want to talk one more thing about you as a player. They don’t want to get into a little bit of coaching stuff and get into what you’re doing now with the basketball league, but just give me a thought. Tell me your brief recollection of your time.getting prepared for the NBA draft coming out of Kansas, then you get drafted by the calves, the fag we mag we do. Oh, just give me your, your best memories memories from that year

David Magley: [01:00:39] I knew I was going to get picked anywhere from 17 to 28.

The Kings had the 17th pick after the Catholic 17th pick. And the Kings have like the 19th pick and they seem to like me to Celtics seem like me. [01:01:00] and then the 28th pick was, was, was the Cavs. I thought I would get back by either the first or second round pick. So was not disappointed by the 20th pick because that was the fifth pick.

And the second round I knew it would be guaranteed money. It was going to be a good thing. And, you know, I mean, we were probably drafted Bagley and Magley because Musselman really liked the direction that. Scotty Robertson at the time was taking the, the pistons before he left. And the great coach came in, with, with Isaiah and, and Kelly Tripucka.

Yeah. Yeah. Isaiah push the ball and Kelly could really rock and. No, probably not a great comparison because Isaiah was different, the Bags, but the Bags was really good and I’m different than, than Kelly was really strong. I wasn’t strong like Kelly, but I was a little taller and probably shot him a little bit better, maybe a little bit more skilled with the ball, but that was tough.

He was a really tough guy, but you know, it made sense. And then they fired Muss. Did the training camp was, was the BS must made us wrong. [01:02:00] 12 suicides in the morning and they got progressively harder. So the first three were had to be in 32 seconds. The next three were 30. The next three were 28. And then if you didn’t make them the next board, the next four were the 28.

If you didn’t make them, you didn’t make that run before the secondary practice, the second practice in the day. And then he did the same thing in the afternoon. And. That was for the forwards. The guards were 32, 28 and 26. And to impress boss, I did the guards and I rarely get discussed. Cause I knew I could beat anybody in suicides.

Cause I was good at cheating and I was pretty quick. So I, I would, I would, I would go after those more, really fast cards and I stayed with them. I was with every time, but I was in it. But it was so much running that I ended up pulling a calf muscle, which, which had never happened before. And I was out for like two or three [01:03:00] exhibition games, and then they fired months before the season ever started, probably for drafting me so high.

And they brought in an old cantankerous guy, Tom Nissalke. That just didn’t much like me. So it became a thing where, for me to get on the court, I was going to have to really prove I could play it. And ultimately I had a really good game against, I guess, the Laker cause we got beat by a hundred points, but I got to play maybe eight minutes and I had, you know, six points for system four rebounds.

And to me it was just a great segment of time. And the next day they Nissalke called me up to the office and he pulled me in his office. It was, listen. I want to tell you something, we really liked what you’re showing us. And you know, you’ve been telling people you’re a big garden. We’d never heard of a six, eight white big garden before there were no Europeans.

So don’t listen through lists and all these guys hadn’t come here playing those positions yet. So they just thought I had to put weight on and be a powerful when they’re [01:04:00] not, you really could play two or three. I think, I think you’re that good. We want to guarantee an extras contract. Wow. I not see this coming at all.

You’re going to guarantee your next year’s contract $125,000. That was going to be amazing. I was so excited. I couldn’t wait to get all the time, my wife, and then he said, but you’re going to have to go on the injured list before I’m not hurt. Yeah. Well, back then they only kept 12 guys. You could keep three guys on the injured list.

So everybody had these fake pirates and this hockey knew I would be against it. So he said, but. No, we’re going to guarantee your contract is no big deal. Everybody does it. That’s okay. What does that mean? He said, well, we just have to sign an affidavit bacon injury for 10 days, and then we’ll put Bruce Flowers on and I said, you know, what is the profit man to gain?

The whole world was a soul?

Well, I guess what I’m saying is I can’t compromise. Why am just for some money and position and fame. [01:05:00] And he goes that I will say this, you will never play again in the NBA. That’s the wait a minute. You went from guaranteeing next year’s contract to blackballing me and telling me I’ll never play in the NBA again.

And I’m like, man, you don’t have that kind of power. My God is bigger than you. And if my God wants me to play in the NBA, I’m going to play against, so I went downstairs, I got cut. I cleared out my locker. I do it in the Stuart, in my brand new car that I only had, you know, 35 more famous

garage in my house that I only had 29 and a half more years to pay for my wife walk, beautiful woman with all this furniture we were just bought and I’m going, she said, what’s going on? So I got cut and I was crying. And by the time I got back to Kansas city with my stuff, cotton Fitzsimmons, and then culture, the Kings told me to come down and he said, you need to go to [01:06:00] Europe until this calms down.

What do you mean. Go to Europe. What calls down? Well, coach this off, he called everybody and told them what you did. And he said, you were the last one to practice. And the first one will leave. The, you always had a bad attitude that you never cheered for your teammates. All those were lies. And that was totally false, except for I wouldn’t go.

That was true. And I couldn’t get another look and he won, but in my mind, I’m the only guy that I know has been married to the same person for 40 years, it was on that team. I’m the only one that knows all four of my kids. I’m the only one that has seven grand babies that are my best friends. So I look at it and I always tell the young guys that the combines that, that I talked to listen, define, well, don’t let it define you.

Because the way I define wealth is this is, this is this my relationship with my God, my relationship with my wife, my relationship with my kids and my grandkids. That definition [01:07:00] you just interviewed the wealthiest man you’ll ever meet. I don’t have any money, but I got plenty of wealth. I got blessed because I’ve always been faithful in that, which was leased.

And I never took a chance on compromising that. And I’ve been relatively successful in business, have a great life. And I think it’s because I was willing to walk away from the MBA and, and quite frankly, guys, past the greatest victory I’ve ever had. I mean, I didn’t know. I had that kind of character. I would’ve thought I would’ve compromised for more money.

I mean, I got tempted with more money first, but, you know, God knew where I was. He knew what was gonna happen. And if I would’ve stayed around, I might’ve got pulled on myself and I’m not above doing the things that other guys did. And next thing you know, I might’ve made mistakes. It would cost me my marriage.

All the deal was, keep my marital hearing and keep my relationship. Good. My wife is smoking hot and my best friend who can say that after 40 years, to me, that’s awesome.

Mike Klinzing: [01:07:57] That’s a great story. It’s awesome that [01:08:00] you have something that, and very easy for somebody in your situation to be better about it, to look back on it and have regrets.

And the fact that you’ve spawned that thing positive and looked at it and just. It had an outcome and an outlook, Hey, things are going really, really well. And man, I’m pleased and happy with what ended up happening because I stuck to my values because I stood up for who I was and what I believed in. And then you end up with the type of life that you just described.

Tremendous that you were able to have the strength of character, as you said, and you may not have even known it going into that situation. Probably if somebody would have asked you six months earlier or a year earlier of, Hey, this is the situation, what would you do? And, you know, as you might’ve had a different answer, but in the moment, in the moment you made a choice to really show who you were.

And I think that, you know, as you said, it’s paid off for you in many ways, there. Probably way more important than spend any time as you know, spending a long time is going to be a player. So let’s get a little bit to the coaching side of it. And when [01:09:00] did you, when did you know you wanted to coach? Is that something that was in the back of your mind all throughout the time that you were playing?

Or was that something that when the game for you as a player that you started looking around and saying, Hey, I’d like to, at some point, get into coaching per stay in basketball?

David Magley: [01:09:13] No, We moved to Florida. So my oldest daughter could be a tennis player and she’s training with Nick Bolletieri at the IMG Academy.

She go on to be a NCAA champion at Florida. She’s a much better athlete than me played with a tour. She’s pretty good. And. I noticed in Florida, you could play varsity athletes as an eighth grader, as a seventh grader. And I’ve going how’s that possible? I blew my mind. I was got my coach on was his son’s game and it’s not going to kill us.

They said no. As long as it’s a school where the junior and high school and high school and st. Building. Yeah, and it’s really done for tennis and it sports, but they haven’t. They wow. Okay. [01:10:00] My sixth grade daughter, I watched a good girl’s private school girls played up and win the state championship that year.

I went up to the Coach and after the game, I said, Hey, you don’t know me? My name’s David Magley, but my sixth grade daughter’s better than anybody you got on your high school team right now. So he had to look at me like this guy’s full of it. No, she would go on my second daughter to, to be the second leading scorer and rebounder in state history.

So, yeah, she was pretty good, but we went to this private school so she could, she could play there. And then all the two boys went there and I knew my boys would be decent athletes and they were going to play on the high school team and the boys was leaving and I went to the athletic director and I went to the school superintendent and I said, listen, principal.

I said, guys, You know, I was helping with the girls JV team or something. And I said, just do me a favor. When you look for your boys, coach, look for these 10 things. Somebody that realize this is a Christian school, it’s about pay and that they’re going to treat the individuals. As, as, [01:11:00] as, as, as, as people they’re going up, they’re going to, we’re going to teach these guys how to dream a big dream.

We’re going to work on them. As individuals are gonna teach them how to play together. We’re gonna teach them how to be good witnesses when they compete for it, teach them how to compete. Not back down from anybody, and be strong champions. And at the end, maybe win some games, but if they come in and they, and they reversed that order at all flee from them.

Cause that’s not what a Christian school should be about. And so I get a phone call like a week later from a reporter going, Hey, I hear on Monday, this was on Sunday. No, actually I was out of town. My daughter was playing a program and our reporter came up to me and said, max, I hear that. BCS has announced you as the new head coach tomorrow.

I said what he said, yeah, you didn’t know that? I said, no, I haven’t interviewed for the trial. I don’t know what you’re talking about for coffee idea. And I’m like, Hey, is there something you want to tell me? He goes, yeah, we were going to ask you, what would you want to be the head coach of the Boise? I’m like, I didn’t ask him [01:12:00] how much it paid nothing.

I said, sure. Well, literally, that’s how we thought with him. And I said, I have to mind, can I cope what I want to can I coach in the morning coach at night? I can’t coach during the day. Cause I got a real job. I can’t do that. And we will go on to school at one 21 season in the first 50 years in the 11 years we were there, we had 1121 season, eight elite eights or final fours, 27 kids went to college and I was just making it up as I go because I’m not a very good X’s and O’s guy, but I do know how to love those kids greatness and.

In Florida, you can have school choice. So we have a lot of kids transfer in because I knew if I got kids scholarships, I’m going to get transfers. So, and again, you go to any public school in Bradington for free, or you could pay $8,000 to go to Brighton and Christian, if you’re, if your parents are doing that, They’re going to make sure you’re at every open gym.

So sub six days a week, we had open gym and there’s no rules like Indiana. You can play year round. So we had, we had six days open gym and we just [01:13:00] taught these kids how to play. And they have a little bit jammed in law precedence or law enforcement. We average 88 points. A game was a high school coach.

And that’s, you know, I realized if you have foreign rate guys trying to go to college and they’re all averaging double figures, everybody’s happy. So you have to understand why we do what we do and if we win, that’s great, but I didn’t get, if somebody could score more than 80 points and beat us, I was okay with that because my guys were getting their numbers.

They were happy. We have a lot of fun.

One of my players was an IMG kid whose father wants to start a prep school in Kansas. He was from Canada. His name is Jamison Tipping, and they said, we want to start a prep school. It’s called Orangeville prep athletes. Will you help us come up and start that? So I went up there and I was a VP or something of the, of the prep school, and I helped get it going with, with Jesse Tipping, his brother, and that school would eventually, we would get a Thon Maker and Jamal Brewery and some great players to play in the NBA.

And while [01:14:00] we were building that, we hosted a combine for a probably called the MBL camp. That met my, the guy that owns yeah. The tip his father said, well, what would you think about it? We bought him a pro basketball team. I’m like, wait, I don’t have $200,000. I don’t know what it cost me. It was way more than I could afford it.

I’ll get it if you run it. So I became the VP of this prep school and the GM head coach of a pro basketball team. We had great success for a couple of years and I was up three, one in the, in the semifinals to go to the championship. Lost the three, one rule in our August said you might be a good day for that commissioner’s role.

So I went over and I became the commissioner of that league for two years and that’s kind of how I got into the whole pro basketball.

Mike Klinzing: [01:14:45] So what is the commissioner of the National Basketball Canada. What does that look like day to day? What are the things that you’re doing?

David Magley: [01:14:52] Well, when I was there getting some the finals the year, the year I got commissioner was two teams showed [01:15:00] up for a shoot around the same time of the game.

Sobbing at a fight, broke out and blood and chairs. It was just ugly. To the point that half the kids decided they weren’t going to play for one of the teams. And the champion was rewarded at a forfeit. 70,000 fans showed up biggest problems that teams are had. It forced one team into bankruptcy. Another team was on the verge.

We have lost the team to the, to the G league, a market to the G league. Cause the rappers decided to go to mr. Saga and they didn’t have a commissioner. So they said. You don’t. We need somebody to take over this league. So the first thing I did for that league was I became very visible.

One of the complaints the fans have was they were never told the truth. So I went to every town and I did. Town hall meetings. I said, listen, I didn’t do anything that came before me. So I’m not taking anything personal. Tell me what’s wrong with the leak. And I want him to get all the bad outs so we could fix the good.

And because of that [01:16:00] gang seven event, I had a very motive, the group that wanted to come together and, and, and really say belief. And the other thing I realized is that we had a lot of American owners. And, you know, Canadians are too nice to tell you. They don’t like you, but they still don’t like they don’t trust you.

We needed local. I mean, Canadians from the Maritimes don’t trust people from Ontario and what they like them better than the people from, from, from, from Montreal, from Quebec. But they like them better than Americans. Although the worst Americans are new Yorkers, they’ve got this whole hierarchy of people you trust.

So it’s like, you know, Americans up there running the league was tough. So. We started getting Canadian local Canadian owners to buy in and, and, and, and, and the league turned around. We went from eighteens down to six, up to 11 when I left. And you know, my second year there, I spent 320 nights. The point where, you know, I’ve got, [01:17:00] like I said, a smoking hot wife was four amazing kids.

I’m not going to spend another night away from my wife. And I just decided I got to get away from there and come home. And so I came home and we started to leave together and that’s kind of how, how it grew.

Mike Klinzing: [01:17:16] Alright. So starting a league. Tell us what that process looks like. What does that mean? How do you do it?

Where do you even start with the idea that we want to start a pro league?

David Magley: [01:17:30] The way that happened was my wife believes she had a vision from God that said we should start league and I’ll be the CEO. So the concept of me working for her was really foreign because I’m not used to working for anybody, but especially my wife.

She’s the first and only female, African American first female, and the first African American to ever own a male pro sport, not special because she’s a female African American, but she is special because she’s a black mom. So she has [01:18:00] an understanding of the young man and a lot of the communities we’re in that, even though I’ve been very good for four years, for 40 years, I’ve got four kids that are technically considered black.

But even with that, that doesn’t mean that I know what it’s like to be black because I’ve never been black. So I don’t know what it feels like to walk into a store and have somebody watching me because of the color of my skin. I don’t know what it’s like for a woman to set your purse up a little tighter.

When I walked by a lady rolled her door or window up in your car, when the siren comes up, you think I make certain, I put my hands out the window, so they don’t think I’m doing something my kids have, but I don’t. And my wife understands all of that. So when we look at our, our, our, our business model, we differentiate ourself from all other pro sports, because our focus is first and foremost on creating community assets of our teams.

You had Mark Anderson on a few weeks [01:19:00] ago, Mark Anderson is in Owensboro, Kentucky. The greatest thing he does is not on that court. He is in the schools three or four days a week with his kids. He’s got a kidney, right? A white kid from Portland, Oregon. That is a fricking true this guy. If he sees a piano, he’s going to jump down, start playing songs.

He’s going to start dancing with the kids. He’s going to do take videos. He’s got to play duck, duck goose with the younger kids. But at the end of the day, this celebrity lowers himself to the kids’ levels and they love him and he could deliver a message. That a teacher can’t that a parent can’t. I have this power over our communities.

If we do it the right way, that really can impact. So that’s where we start our business model. We want our guys to be in the community. I’m a business, people want to sponsor. I want my brand on that thing that really is positive in the community. So I want to be if I’m the James lumber [01:20:00] company and there’s a Strongsville.

Has got a team, the bark James, cause I watched my HWI do a center on that uniform and because I love what they’re doing in the schools. I want to be known for that. Now our brand of basketball, that’s the easiest thing. Finding players. We do combines all over the country guys or we’ll have. Literally see, almost a thousand kids in the summer that pay us to try out for a chance to play in our league.

90% of our guys are taken from those combines. So we’re going to find plenty of talent. Coaches are begging to get in the league because we’re a stepping stone. We are a showcase league. Our guys come into our league. And last year we had 60 kids go from our league to other leagues around the world and make two and three times what they made an Ali great exposure.

They get other places. We have great live streaming, right? Great stats, great crowds, great uniforms. Everybody wears the same brand of uniform, infinite apparel, and they’re beautiful. We designed and it’s just a good looking pro basketball. [01:21:00] AA baseball, or if we’re in Europe, we’re probably basketball.

Hasn’t existed. Since we came down here, we’re the only ones that do it like this, and we’re building something that’s really cool. And, and it’s sustainable because the model doesn’t cost that much money to run a team, but we really impact the community. So I think we can be around a long time.

Mike Klinzing: [01:21:20] How do you go about when you’re selecting players and you’re at the combine?

How do you let players. No, or how do you make them aware of the fact that the community piece of is it’s so important? And then how do you evaluate their desire slash ability to want to be a part of the community? Is that part of your evaluation process? And if it is, which I assume it is, how do you go about communicating that?

David Magley: [01:21:44] I would say in the combine, the primary thing is how they play, but just from watching them play. You can tell whether or not they’ve got that, now if they lose [01:22:00] several games and they’re blaming their teammates, they’re probably not going to be great if they’re, if they’re selfish. Yeah.

They’re probably not going to be great if they take plays off. I don’t know if I can rely on them to go on with me. But where that judgment really comes in is what I do is I give contracts out. So if I’ve got 40 guys and I give out five contracts, what a contract means is that you will be invited to a training camp.

Then it’s my job to find the right training camp for those five guys. And I saw that day. So are you looking for a guard that that’s a, that’s a, that’s a car and he’s looking for a catch and shoot guy looking for a big, different run, looking for an all purpose. Gotta can play multiple positions. Are you looking for guidance?

That’s that’s from Akron and yeah. You want a team in Akron? I mean, you know, proximity may play in, you know, are you looking for an older guy, younger guy, all those factors come in. When I’m trying to help the teams find their players. And then when they get them, they’re going to put it into a training camp.

And in three or four days, you’re going to know what these kids are like. Cause [01:23:00] they’re doing two a days and they’ll know if they can play, but also be, can they be that person that’s going to do? Cause we talk a lot about listen. If you, if you can’t be clean, if you’re, if, if we’ll look at their Facebook page, just a great advice for anybody that wants to be a pro athlete or college athlete, clean up your social media.

If there’s a bunch of disrespectful music about girls and your mixed tape, your highlight tape of yourself. There’s is vulgar. And my, I can’t watch it in front of my grandsons. You are, I’m not helping you to get a job because I can’t trust you. If there’s all I see is 50 empty models from your great weekend, you have your player to your friends.

You’re not playing to you, your brain. And we tell the kids clean up your social media because you don’t, you might think that’s funny and your boys might think that’s great, but that’s not who you’re pointing to. If you want to be for athletes, you got to build a brand. I’m not saying that they don’t still do it, but at least be smart about what you do.

Mike Klinzing: [01:23:58] Yeah, I think that’s good advice for any [01:24:00] young person out there, regardless of whether you want to be a pro athlete or you want to eventually

have a job, make sure that what you’re doing on social media is, you know, it’s not hidden. And I think that’s something that’s very difficult for young people sometimes to understand, especially those who have, which is pretty much all of them now, you know, you’ve grown up where everybody’s everybody has it, and really even thinks twice where you and I might think twice about taking this photo or posting this or whatever, because they’ve been posting photos since the time they were one or two years old.They don’t really think about some of the ramifications that go along with that. I think that’s, that’s so true. So I want to ask you, we’re coming up close to an hour and a half of your day. And so I want to just ask you one more question. That is when you look forward, I guess the two part question, when you look forward with the Basketball League question, number one is, where do you hope that you can get to with the league? In other words, what do you think is going to be, let’s say five years from now, and then two, what’s the biggest challenge in your [01:25:00] way to help you to getting you to achieve that goal?

David Magley: [01:25:04] So I think we’re going to be double the size of the NBA footprint.

So if there are 30 teams, we can be 60 to 64 teams, that includes Canada. That includes all of the U S that may include Mexico. That may include Puerto Rico. We only need four teams in a market. So what’s important in Puerto Rico. We’d go four teams. If you do that of our 24 game season 21 of your games are played in market.

So they’d have to leave that Island one time for three games set so we could put teams anywhere and there’s more than enough talent to do that. every town in America could, could, could support this virtually from 20,000 to 2 million could use this because you go to a small town like Jamestown, New York, we’re a big stink.

And beyond that town, Yeah, we’re a big deal in Jamestown, New York, but you know what, where it can be impactful in Addison, Texas, the Dallas area, or [01:26:00] Lewisville, Texas. I mean, we could be just as impacting in those communities as well, so we can get your graphically. There’s there’s a thousand markets for us to look at.

The question is whether or not we can find the right orders, local owners that understand what we do. If there’s anything that would enhance us would be my ability to raise the funds because. What we are as a league is we’re often the secondary source of funding. And it doesn’t, these teams don’t feel for a lot of, of the budgets aren’t that big, but if they lose, if they’re down 10 grand, 20 grand to finish the season as a league, we got to find that money for them.

So I had a little bit of buddy a little bit more than I have. I would never ever team, but whatever, fail for team member fails, I can get so many teams in so many markets cause everybody wants to do this. I mean, listen, I go to a minor league baseball game and I love it. I don’t care who wins. I don’t care who loses the guy, normally drinking a beer.

I don’t drink alcohol, but [01:27:00] I normally drinking a beer. We’re laughing and joking. Somebody Jack’s a home run. That’s great. If they don’t care, I can take 20 kids that cost me a hundred bucks. And it’s a lot of fun. I mean, that kind of entertainment value, but more than that, because baseball’s in the summer, we’re in the winter and nothing we do, I think is great.

There’s our season is March through June. So we’re playing after your high school season, after your small college season ends during the NCAA March madness and during the best part of the pro basketball season during the finals. So we’re still in basketball season, but the local fan that we want to get, they’re not, we’re not competing with high school basketball anymore.

We’ve moved it to March 1st. And I think we’re going to have a chance to really, really get great crowds this year. That’s great.

Mike Klinzing: [01:27:47] I think it’s exciting. It’s a world that I’m not sure. A lot of basketball fans, a lot of high school coaches, a lot of college coaches may not even know that. The world exists and this minor league basketball, professional ranks is out there and these opportunities are out there for players.

And I think it’s something that we all know how much guys love to play the game. And I think the fact that you’ve given players an opportunity to play in your league, then be help them to advance and play in other leagues. And then not only that, but having a positive impact in the communities where you’re placing franchises.

To me, that’s a win, win all the way around. And I think that it’s a great business model. So let’s wrap up here by giving you a chance to share your contact information, how people can reach out to you. If they’re interested in finding out more about what you’re doing with the basketball league, maybe getting involved in some way, they’re their player, coach or potential franchise owner.

Just give us the rundown of how people can get in touch with you.

David Magley: [01:28:45] so you can get a hold of me. David@ the basketballleague.net. All one word, the basketball league.net, my cell phone number. And I’m fine. Giving it off. Anybody can text or call me anytime is [01:29:00] (941) 685-5965. Again, (941) 685-5965.

Reach out to me. We are looking for more markets. We’ve grown from eight teams the first year 10, the second 12 last year, we’re sitting at 1716. Right now, Matson bounced to 16th and the 17th coming. We have already got the contract in on it. We’re expecting to get between 24 and 30 this season. We’re growing really fast.

Even during the  coronavirus. Quite frankly, with the protests, it’s really a need that a lot of communities are saying, Hey, we got to bring something to this city that can impact lives. And we have a, we, you know, we have a forum to speak from, so we can be a mouthpiece for a lot of people to deliver positive message of, of, of anti drugs, dangerous drugs, and are all value of education, you know, self worth, dangerous of bullying, all those things.

Our messaging that we can deliver probably better than most anyone else.

Mike Klinzing: [01:29:59] Dave, I [01:30:00] cannot thank you enough for spending an hour and a half with us tonight and getting a chance to reminisce about some things that we have in common, in our basketball past, and just getting a chance to learn more about what you’re doing with the basketball league and how you’re trying to have an impact on people’s lives.

And it’s been a pleasure getting a chance to know you and have you on the podcast. So we really appreciate it. And to everyone who’s out there listening, and we will catch you on our next episode. Thanks.

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