Dan DeCrane

Website – https://gilmourlancers.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/index

Email – dan.decrane@gmail.com

Twitter – @coachdecrane

Dan DeCrane is in his third year as the Gilmour Academy varsity boys basketball coach with the 2020-21 season. He has been a member of the Ohio High School Basketball Coaches Association (OHSBCA) since 2011 and the Greater Cleveland Basketball Coaches Association (GCBCA) since 2018. He is a current member of the District 2 Coaches Association, after having been a seven-year member of District 10.

The Lancers earned the 2018-19 North Coast League (NCL) White Division Championship and DeCrane was named NCL White Division Coach of the Year.

DeCrane has been a basketball coach since 2007 when he got his start as an assistant coach at Archbishop Hoban High School (2007-09). He then gained additional experience as an assistant coach at St. Edward High School (2009-10), an assistant varsity coach and head junior varsity coach at Akron East High School (2010-11), an assistant varsity coach with the 2014 Division III District Runner-Up Bishop Hartley High School (2011-14) and then as a head coach at Bishop Ready High School (2014-18). During his four seasons at Ready, his team was the 2018 Division III District Runner-Up and the 2018 Central Catholic League Co-Champions. The Silver Knights compiled a school-record 12-game winning streak and earned the program’s first Associated Press ranking after holding the No. 1 spot in the poll for two consecutive weeks in January 2018. DeCrane was named 2018 Division III District 10 Coach of the Year.

Dan attended Archbishop Hoban High School where he played basketball for the Knights, helping the team compile an overall record of 39-5 during his two-years as a starting guard. He was Second-Team All-District Division II (2003), Honorable Mentions All-State Division II (2003), team MVP (2003) and an OHSBCA All-Academic Division II honoree (2003). He continued his playing career at Muskingum University, earning two varsity letters (2003-05).

Dan is an avid volunteer with the Mayfield Lancers Special Olympics, serving as a coach and mentor with their basketball team.

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Be prepared to take a few notes as you listen to this episode with Dan DeCrane, Head Boys’ Varsity Coach at Gilmour Academy in Gates Mills, Ohio.

What We Discuss with Dan DeCrane

  • Growing up playing CYO Basketball in Stow, Ohio
  • The benefits of being a multi-sport athlete
  • Multi-sport athletes at the high school level today and how he works with them as a basketball coach
  • The risk of burnout for single sport athletes
  • Playing against LeBron in high school
  • Why he chose Muskingum for college and to continue his playing career
  • Playing for Jim Burson
  • Returning to his alma mater Akron Hoban to start his coaching career
  • Making the puzzle pieces fit year to year
  • His year at St. Ed’s with Eric Flannery
  • Advice on balancing your time coaching and your time with family
  • Having a supportive spouse
  • Keep saying “Yes, I’ll do that early in your career.”
  • What he learned in his year at Akron East High School
  • Moving to Columbus and coaching at Bishop Hartley & Bishop Ready High Schools
  • Connecting with the youth players in his feeder schools at Bishop Ready
  • How he developed and planned for running his own program prior to becoming a head coach
  • Family, Faith, Effort, & Toughness
  • Highlighting when players demonstrate the values he’s looking for
  • “Squire Sessions” to teach life lessons with his players
  • Choosing leaders for different parts of the program, every player is the captain of some aspect
  • Intentional behaviors are key to building culture
  • Knowing the history of high school basketball in Ohio
  • His responsibilities throughout the year as a head varsity coach at Gilmour
  • What he does to improve his players and his team during a typical off-season
  • Working with Gilmour Athletic Director Sean O’Toole
  • The great basketball facilities at Gilmour

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 [00:00:00] Mike Klinzing: [00:00:00] Hello, and welcome to the Hoop Heads Podcast. It’s Mike Klinzing here with my co-host Jason Sunklle and tonight we are pleased to welcome to the podcast, the head coach at Gilmour Academy, Dan DeCrane, Dan, welcome to the podcast.

Dan DeCrane: [00:00:10] Oh my gosh, Mike, Jason, thank you so much for having me. This is truly an honor.

Mike Klinzing: [00:00:15] Well, we are excited to be able to have you on. You’ve been one of our biggest supporters showing up at our webinars and listening to our episodes and reaching out. And we really appreciate the opportunity to get you on and talk to you about all the things you’ve been able to do in the game. How you’ve gone about building your program at Gilmore and want to get into it right away by talking to you about how you got into the game of basketball as a kid.

Dan DeCrane: [00:00:38] Sure. Yeah. So, I grew up in an athletic family. My parents were both one of nine from big Catholic families from the West side of Cleveland. And my parents settled in Stow, Ohio when I was five or six, finally moved there long-term. And, my dad put up a basketball hoop in our new paved driveway in [00:01:00] 1992.

And I just, worked on my game all the time then. And then it went to. No, the still youth leagues and the junior pro league that we actually I’m a Catholic school product, parochial schools in my whole life. So Holy Family actually had a team. So we practice, I remember, and I’m sure the gyms hopefully changed, but Fish Creek elementary school had, what is, I thought it was small then when I was eight.

So I’m sure it was really small just plan and just loving the game and then riding my bike to Silver Springs park, which everyone in Summit County had to go there to play basketball.  when, back in the mid nineties, when going to the park was the thing to do, and just, just kind of kept growing from there and into the CYO, at Holy Family in Stow, which.

Well at the time it was the biggest Catholic school in summit County and they had built a beautiful gym. I don’t know if he hasn’t been there, but they have a second floor gym on the, again, mid nineties. And I just remember watching games in the third grade cause they couldn’t play the [00:02:00] fourth in the CYO leagues.

Just can’t wait to, where the time’s like miracle and black colors and, play on that awesome floor then.  I, I was really blessed to be coached by really good youth coaches. So, in the fourth grade, Mike Dempsey, who had a big family and still, and he was, he actually played football for the Patriots and the Jets in the NFL, I think back in the seventies.

And he was a teacher and a football coach at Uniontown Lake. and I played with his son Joe as he grew up, he just gave me our practices. I thought it was normal going forward, like how intense they were. And he, he put me on top of a very rare One, one, three defense that he got from the Hudson high school girls program. And it was just rotating and, pressuring the ball and running passing lanes. And, I just loved going from there. We went to winter tournaments. We went to the [00:03:00] Hilltopper down at Valley View, for some big tournaments and we we’re going to Saint Dominic’s in Shaker for, every year and just all that kind of stuff kept growing.

And. just kind of my competitive nature took over from there amongst playing other sports too, obviously .

Mike Klinzing: [00:03:15] Talk a little about that multi-sport athlete piece and how important that is to you. And then we all know that there are obviously challenges as a high school coach with wanting your players to participate in off season workouts and all those things, and the pressure that kids feel today, not necessarily from their high school coach, but just in general from parents and the, just the way the basketball system is set up.

So maybe just. Talk to us a little bit about how your own multi-sport experience shaped you as an athlete, and then eventually shaped you as a coach and then how you go about handling multi-sport athletes that you coach at the high school level.

Dan DeCrane: [00:03:52] Yeah, it was great question. And it’s, it’s kind of like a million dollar question I’m like, and I kind of felt like I’m in my mid [00:04:00] thirties now.

So when I was growing up in the nineties, I kind of felt that was like the edge. Have you played a bunch of sports? Cause that’s what everybody did too. No, you started to specialize and you get on an AAU team or a travel baseball team or soccer or whatever it was. And, and my, I remember real conversations with my parents about, Hey, do you want to play travel baseball?

Do you want to play on a basketball team? And, and I didn’t want to give up playing a lot of sports, at one time. So I tell kids now in the eighth grade and families, really, for that matter in the eighth grade, I played five sports. I played football in the fall. I played obviously basketball in the winter time, baseball in the spring, I played volleyball in the spring.

We had, we had a volleyball team at our school and we won the city championship, and coach by volleyball, former college volleyball players. And they, they knew the fundamentals, and it was just fun to learn how to jump in, different movements. And then I played in a golf league.

And I loved every bit of it, and this summer I [00:05:00] played pretty much everything I could. So I learned so much movement and athletic ability and, growing up, I did, I did TaeKwonDo for a couple of years. So kind of looking back when I started to get, into high school sports, I saw like, man, my background helped me.

With all these, agility and, things that you can’t really just go out and teach, you have to sort of do. And then I get the coach later on in my life and I do research and it shows, not just from a physical standpoint, but a mental standpoint of successful athletes professionally.

They played multiple sports. So, I have articles of data that I’ve presented my family’s, before season starts every year.  of 30 or 28 of the 32 first-round NFL draft picks played multiple sports in high school. And there was a less burnout rate, positive things from it. And, and, and my message to my players is look, If you want to go play football, go do it.

As long as you want to do it, and it might be for a social thing it might be [00:06:00] for, Hey, I just, I just want to play and try something new or it might be, I really could help out the program or maybe a, hopefully a combination of everything. Right. But  you’re only a kid once and I have so many fond memories.

My best friends are guys I played sports with growing up. I mean, there’s so much positive from it. So, and the last thing that I tell my guys now is. If you, cause right now we’re obviously in a unique, training period with COVID-19, I will find a way to get you a workout. If you’re doing other sports, like I will make myself and the gym or a gym available to get better at that basketball because to me, those are the really special players, the guys that play a lot of things, they, they, they love, the, where the name of, of discover school on their uniforms in multiple sports.

And they go about, and they put work into each one as well. And I think that’s where we kind of get lost at is. Yeah, you’re going to get mad if I, if I, if I’m on some of our baseball team, no, [00:07:00] not at all. Like go do that, but just know that I’m always going to be here and find a way for you to also get better at your basketball game.

So, I think all those kinds of things sort of go hand in hand.

Mike Klinzing: [00:07:09] Yeah, absolutely. There’s two things that stood out from what you said, Dan, and it’s leads me back to a couple of conversations that I’ve been able to have recently with or with college coaches. And just thinking about, especially at the division one level, how guys could get workouts in all summer with their coaching staff. And basically those guys are on campus 11 months out of the year, working with their teammates and with their coaches. And one of the things I talked to those guys about at the division one level is it just seems to me like with the level of intensity that’s required there, that to be in that environment with somebody coaching you, even through your summer workouts, that the level of.

Intensity that that requires, it just seems to me, you mentioned the word burnout that four years of that going 11 months out of the year with no break. I think back to my [00:08:00] own experience and man there would have been, that would have been really, really tough to hear those voices the entire season, and then the season ends.

And two weeks later I started hearing those same voices. Again, I needed a break to be able to. Get away, recharge my battery to be able to work on my game and do things a little bit. Yeah, my own. I think that is a factor. It’s probably not as big of a factor in high school, but I do think that if the only thing you’re doing 12 months out of the year is basketball or soccer or volleyball or whatever it is that you do.

If you never take a break from it, then you never really long for it. Again, you don’t really. Ever get that fire burning where you’re like, man, I miss basketball. I can’t wait to get back. And I think that’s something that we run into. And then the second thing that I love that you said is you talked about how, if a kid wants to play football, Hey, go play football.

If that’s what you want to do. And I think that’s where sometimes as adults, whether we’re talking about adults as parents or we’re talking about adults as coaches, [00:09:00] I think sometimes that’s what we forget is that really the high school sports experience is supposed to be about. The kid it’s supposed to be about the memories that the player makes, not about the memories that the parent makes or not about the coaches.

One loss record on the, we all know, obviously we’re judged by that to some degree, but still I think if it’s kid centered and the kid makes the decision, okay, Hey, I want to go play football or, Hey, I want to be a soccer player or whatever it is. I think as long as the kid is making that decision, then we’re going to end up in a pretty good spot.

It’s when coaches start to force players into making decisions that they don’t want to make. I think that’s where we get on a slippery slope.

Dan DeCrane: [00:09:41] Yeah. You know that your, to your first point about burnout and. Get kind of like how your recollection kind of getting away from the game and doing things. I think, yeah, there’s a creativity piece that maybe COVID-19, it was a good thing from an Netflix standpoint of I can go on my driveway and work on certain footworks or [00:10:00] finishes that, Hey, in our, in our high school practices, we just kinda didn’t have time to, or we’re working on schemes or strategies.

So that that’s super positive. And honestly, I find myself, I told the guys this, I said, guys, I, I miss you. I miss seeing you in the senior hallways and at the cafeteria much more than I do a basketball  court, because, because you’re right. Like they don’t want to always be, hearing coach  DeCrane .

Like, I will, them as people, just as much as I do at players and even from a coaching standpoint. And I joke with my guys and say, Hey, I watch more. In the summertime, I watch more baseball than I do basketball film. And I know I’m doing a lot of both because it’s refreshing and I get to have fun and be a fan and, and cheer like, obviously baseball is going back and I’m not going to get into the, the labor dispute.

I like that, but, okay, well, I’m just pumped that I get to kind of cheer for something and, it’s, it’s healthy. It’s, it’s mentally refreshing and. So to your point too, [00:11:00] about memories. I mean, shoot, I, I probably got into coaching, especially at this level because of what it’s like to live in a, in a school environment that’s supportive and the memories you make with friendships and, and the guys high school basketball with wore my wedding.

I mean, there’s this I can go on and on about, about that. And that’s the big picture of it, I’m not going to take away someone’s opportunity to run out and play Friday night football in Ohio. If that’s what they want to do. Mean heck that’s they make movies about those kinds of things, right? I mean, so, no, you’re a hundred percent right in like, that’s great.

Mike Klinzing: [00:11:28] So going along with that, talking about it, being kid centered and talking about getting kid an opportunity to be able to run out and do those things, what’s a memory from your high school career that stands out to you. When you look back on your time as a high school athlete, could maybe, maybe it’s even in a different sport than basketball, but just what’s one or two things that stand out about your time as a high school athlete.

Dan DeCrane: [00:11:49] Yes. I think just not to go back for just a quick moment, but I think I love my high school experience so much because of what my dad showed me. He opened the door to high [00:12:00] school athletics. I love sports, but he took, I mean, every, I would say from fourth grade, fifth grade on every Friday night and in the fall, I was at a football game and I wasn’t playing tag football behind the bleachers or chasing some girl.

We’re going into the concession state. I was studying the game, wait,

Mike Klinzing: [00:12:20] wait, wait, You can actually watch a football game when you’re a middle school kid, you can actually go and watch a football game. I’d thought that was illegal.

Dan DeCrane: [00:12:31]  it’s funny how attendance has changed.

Isn’t it. And dislike. It’s just, it’s not, but, to be fair, to be fair, there’s not kids chasing girls anymore. They’re all just looking at their phones the whole time, but I think, I don’t think that’s even just football games. I think that’s any sport. If you go watch, if you go watch a middle school sport, cause I coached the middle school level.

If you go watch the middle school sport, the kids are standing there in the stands, watching their friends play basketball, but they’re not really watching cause they’re all on their phones the whole time. Yeah. It’s [00:13:00] my first year coaching. and as a head coach, I remember watching the highlights that kids took of our kids on Twitter.

And I’m like, why don’t they just watch it again? I don’t even know what they’re filming. Cause we were very good, but I’m like, this is, it’s just, you’re right. It’s changed. And I just, what’s also changed and this is my point too, is they miss, like when someone, makes a seven yard touchdown run and the band goes crazy or.

 the, kind of the fun cheers, the clean cheers, the student sections, when there’s a big momentum swing in a basketball game, like that kind of stuff, it gets lost a little bit, or at least the pageantry. And that’s what I was given.  I remember watching the Stow teams.

 even though I wasn’t going to go. So because. I didn’t have a choice being a, a Catholic school, pure thoroughbred, I guess, kind of being raised that way. But I remember Lynn Chatman and Tony Biting and then watching the whole routine. My dad’s a Saint Ed’s grad. So when they were great in the late nineties, man, we went to like 15 games, and, [00:14:00] and down to Columbus when  St. Ed’s was there in 98, like that kind of stuff was so cool to me.

So then kind of going in and getting an opportunity to live it in high school was great. And I would say. the easy answer. My, to my high school career would be playing against LeBron cause he’s my age. And we were rival  schools. Not that he would have a recollection because they definitely dominated us.

Mike Klinzing: [00:14:23] One time. You blocked his dunk attempt. I remember that.

Dan DeCrane: [00:14:25] Yeah. If you do some YouTube, it was pretty close. I didn’t get dunked on, but my good friends with teammates that, but, I would say my senior year kind of catapulted me to an appreciation of what I had. So. I went from literally, yeah.

At Hoban being the, cause I decided to go to Archbishop Hoban, amongst the other kind of, Summit County Catholic Schools. And I made, I was the 15th. I was guy 15 of 15, who made the freshman team and we had about 50, 60 kids try out. And then I went that same year. I ended up working my way up and I [00:15:00] actually played JV.

I was just kind of nuts, three months later, a little bit. Cause I, I just kept earning my stripes, but  my senior year. We went 20 and two, our only loss in the state of Ohio is to the national champions St. Vincent St. Mary, and just kind of playing my last game was at the Canton Memorial field house, the epicenter to me of, Northeast Ohio high school culture and feel it’s an awesome gym to play in the game was sold out.

There’s people, scalping tickets to get in, to see LeBron, and, and look, we lost. We put up a fight for about a quarter and a half looking back at it, but, we went 39 and  five or six, my senior year and I played with guys that played in college, coach or coaching in college,  I just had an awesome time and I felt so, responsible to kind of carry on the Hoban legacy.I got to do that when I was a player, and that was really special to me.

Mike Klinzing: [00:15:57] Yeah, that’s really cool. I think when you can [00:16:00] feel a sense of connectivity to your teammates and then to your program and your school, I think that makes it mean even more to you than it would in other circumstances. I think that’s one of the things that’s odd about again, today’s scenario.

Like I think about myself grew up in Strongsville from the time I was in second grade, probably by the time I was in fourth or fifth grade, I probably had a really good idea of. Who my teammates were going to be. Eventually when I got to, to the high school, you could tell who the athletes were, who, the friend, who my friends were and you go, I always, I never thought about really going anywhere else.

And then when I did eventually get to play for the high school, it was just a thrill to be able to. Suit up and run out. And I always said when I was a kid, I think I loved was watching the players who were in high school when I was in elementary school and middle school run out and slap the backboard during warmups.

And that was the one thing that I always wanted to be able to do is hear that fight song and run out. And to your point, it’s just. You feel that pride, you [00:17:00] feel that connectivity to the program that you grew up with that you were watching. And I think that that’s something that I’m sure as a high school coach, that you try to develop that same pride in your program and your school and in what you’re doing.

So I think that’s a great way of trying to frame the recollection that you have of your high school career. And thinking back to that time, At what point during your high school career, did you start to think about or consider that you might have an opportunity to play beyond high school and maybe get a chance to play some college basketball?

Dan DeCrane: [00:17:30] Yeah, it, it, so that’s a great question. I, I played for TK Griffith who’s I think he’s going into his 28th year and I just really believe he’s one of the best in the state of. A program builder and a people builder and let alone a great high school coach. And we were at a shootout going into my senior year at the college of Wooster.

And I remember him kind of having these conversations in the after one or first game was a Saturday morning. One of those there’s 30 teams there and yeah, you kind of, [00:18:00] you play a game and you go find some hallway or a stairwell to sit at and talk about it. They grabbed me after one and was like, Hey, do you think, would you want to keep playing college basketball?

And I’m like, well, I play, I started as a junior. And I average like five points, six points, a game, and I kind of was responsible for guarding the other team’s best and, and, and kind of, not really scoring good summer. And I think he started to see that and, and I’m like, well, yeah, I never really think about it, but that’d be a great goal of mine and, and, a long-term goal I had, I guess.

And, my dad and I kind of would. We’re poking around to see if I maybe would have an opportunity at a division three school. So he started reaching out for other other coaches. And I remember I got a call from, an assistant coach and I don’t, I don’t recall his name from Grove City College. And I’m like, wow, like that was, that was pretty cool.

And then.  put a ton of time in and the fall came, it was kind of, it was going back to the high school story, [00:19:00] memories, our football team, which I have a lot of great friends. I went to the final four, and, and this was the fall of 02 and just, seeing that, and then the day they lost, we played the next day.

So. We, we didn’t have any, ironically, we had like one, I think, gee, maybe 10th, 11th guy on our football team. So all of our basketball guys were ready to go. So I remember we played at Akron Garfield the day after we lost the football final four and it was Thanksgiving weekend too. I remember our football team played the day after Thanksgiving and then we play the next day.

And, I had a really good game, but  I don’t know how many points I scored, but I had my career high. And then the next game we played at CVCA, I’ll never forget. I walked out of the gym. I think I went like 14 at 15 from the line and someone’s like, Hey, how many, how many points did you score?

Wow. I don’t know. I kind of had a lot, I hit another career. I think it just kinda kept going from there. So I had a great month of December [00:20:00] and then I was fortunate enough to play with, Tommy Heil, who went to the Bluffton and he’s now the head coach at Baldwin Wallace, him and I were backcourt mates and we had another great guard who was the one of the most underrated guards for a couple of years, because, we were overshadowed obviously by a lot of good teams in the area, but June Wilder and I think he had a couple of records at Akron Wayne for a few seasons when he played there.

He actually went with me to Muskingum. And so how I got there was, a couple of colleges started to see me a little bit because they recruited other players that I had a few good games and they kind of kept carrying over. And then, so I guess to answer your question before we kind of go forward, Mike is before my senior year, I think Coach Griffin sort of forecasted like, Hey, maybe this could happen.

And then it started to really happen. And then, I sorta can get some interest from a lot of division three schools.

Mike Klinzing: [00:20:50] All right. So how do you make the decision to go to Muskingum? And then what’s the transition like for you going from high school basketball, the college best.

Dan DeCrane: [00:20:57] Yeah. And that’s, that’s kinda, [00:21:00] maybe why I’m here because I love the game so much and I love competing and, everything that goes into it that we already touched on and.

it kind of came down to, so Muskingum recruited me pretty consistently, my second half of my senior year and made a couple of visits down there. I had some interest from Mount Union. I have some interest from Case Western who really wanted another point guard and they were right.

Cause he was way better than me. and. I just kind of fell a better fit basketball-wise at Muskingum. Whether it was personnel or just, the program itself and. it was a small school in a really rural area, I didn’t mind that, that didn’t really bother me. I felt like it could maybe find myself there.

They had my major too. They had just started the criminal justice program and my lifelong goals to become like this missing the missing persons, FBI agent. And I can just kind of make all my goals kind of happen at one spot. So I ended up choosing Muskingum. I’m kind of, early April, [00:22:00] maybe in my senior year.

And I quickly realized, the big jump that it is from high school basketball to college basketball. And I would consider myself an overachieving high school player. And I was probably the beneficiary of playing around with some pretty talented players. We started three guards. but  they created so much for me to, to do things and, and we pressed a lot.

We had a lot of possessions in our games, so we kind of score the basketball a good bit. All that kind of stuff. So then I go with it, I’m six, one and a half, 160 going to college, open gyms in June. And my tails on the ground pretty quick in a lot of those games, but, so seeing that, I saw what I had to do, took a peak going forward.

and then, my skiing was, it was a great experience and I didn’t know it at the time because I didn’t get a chance to, Yeah, I’ll be honest. I don’t think I earned a chance to really get a whole long look playing, at a high level there. [00:23:00] so that kinda made, of uniquely changed my route, so to speak

Mike Klinzing: [00:23:03] All right. So you start to see that your playing career is maybe not gonna continue for as long as you had hoped it would. And so at that point, clearly on your way into college, you’re thinking about criminal justice and being an FBI agent was coaching at all on your radar, growing up and as you went into school, was it something that was in the back of your head or was it something that when you started to see that.

Hey, my playing days are over now. Maybe I need to start looking for an opportunity to stay in the game because I love it so much. How did you come to the realization or the thought that maybe coaching is where you wanted to end up?

Dan DeCrane: [00:23:40] Yeah, so, I made an interesting, college choice and so my, my second year at Muskingum, my sophomore year, really got off the bench, played with some great, great players.

Yeah. If I would have stayed there, I would have been coached. Well, I got in playing with guys that are  [00:24:00] still coaching in college and then Gino Ford took that. So I played for Jim Burson my last two years. And it was a looking back, the schemes, the Princeton offense. Like I got to live every day because that’s what our identity was.

We were Princeton on offense. He was kind of the mastermind that unlocked that key.  in the early nineties and, kind of kept going forward after Princeton made their great runs, with using that system. And, but to kind of answer your question, I see, I see myself as I’m not going to play, I’m just, I’m just not, and you know what, I’m not very good.

I think all players, they, they over value themselves to an extent and looking back I did, and it wasn’t that I couldn’t be in the roster and certainly, keep competing, but I just wasn’t that good. I always thought about coaching. And this is a great question. You asked me because about two years ago, I opened up my, my senior year book and in the back 10 years from now part, it put FBI agent and finding time to coach on the side and what I wrote.

[00:25:00] Excellent. That’s awesome. Back to, so there are these alive, I found a box that had that your book in there. So I always loved the game. And in that mosquito.  Jim Burson and his son, Jay, they had all these connections.  a lot of my teammates went on to be GA’s and coaching in college and Kevin Sapara was a GA at Cleveland State and there was just, and then there’s other high school kids, Jeremy Ades, the coach at Navarre Fairless. Yeah, DJ Shrock’s the coach at Chippewa. And now Kevin’s a coach. He’s the head coach at Strongsville. So like, I’m like looking back. I’m like, man, if I would’ve stayed there, my coaching path could have been so much different. So I ended up deciding to pursue my, my first professional dream of being an FBI agent.

So I transfer to the University of Dayton who boasted the number one internship program. for criminal justice majors in the country, and I went on a campus visit, loved it, great. This is what I’m going to do. So I highly enough [00:26:00] in the summers, I go back to Hoban and I worked their camps, but I coached their JV summer league for two years and loved it.

Right. So kind of like, this is, this is cool. Then at Dayton, I finished out my last year. I room with the Farrow brothers. The twins. One’s a manager, at, at Dayton who now is one of the assistant coaches after he went all over the country, coaching. The other was the JV assistant coach at Springboro, while we were living together.

So I was always around basketball and I love that, and, I kind of get done graduating and then I realize, okay, to become an FBI agent. No, and I, and I did a lot of internships and  there’s a lot of bureaucratical steps. It was a long time where you become like a, the detective piece and there’s 08, which is when I graduated.

That was the recession. There was a hiring things by the government.  and then on top of it, I’m like, I don’t even like to have a gun in my hands. Like, what am I doing? You know? [00:27:00] So I, I took a couple of jobs after college, but I always I’ve found, rules, the coach. And I think my calling came and I remember vividly.

It was mid November of, the fall of 2007. I was graduating that December, so I, after I transferred, so my credits didn’t equivalate right away at date. So I, I did a lot of internships and I get a call from, Tim Lucy, who is, the JVP was the JV coach at hope. And my JV coach. He was the head coach at Chippewa five years, kind of, late 2010.

So three to five years then. later on, anyway, he’s having triplets and he’s like, Hey, just to let  I know you’re graduating in December, I’m not sure if you have a job lined up or anything, but my wife and I have triplets, I’m going to have to step away for a while. You’ve coached my guys.

In the summertime and we just feel like, Hey, if you kind of come on board, be an assistant JV, varsity. If I leave for a week or so go coach the team, you’re kind of like the interim JV coach. So [00:28:00] I wore that title pretty proudly. So I go back graduate. Saw that hope. And while I’m looking for jobs and of course, TK, we hope we’ve always been in the shadow of St. Vincent St. Mary, in the 2000’s, late nineties. We go on a tournament run. No, I coached the JV team a little bit. Of course, they go like three and I was an interim coach. Like, love that. We beat St V in the district final in Canton Field House, go on to the regionals on like, what am I, this is, this is my calling, right.

I’m going to, I’m going to go back and teach and coach, and I kind of took, started taking steps after that, to do that route.

Mike Klinzing: [00:28:37] Alright. That is a great story. I love it. I love the fact that you got to go back to your Alma mater and you got hooked immediately by it. What was something that when you go back, cause obviously, especially when you go back and this is a question I always find fascinating.

When you go back to the same program that you played in with the same coach who was once [00:29:00] your. Head coach. And now you are a colleague of his, rather than a player of his, what was that experience like? What was something unique, different that you didn’t realize behind the scenes went on from a coaching standpoint while you were playing, you had no idea the coaches were doing.

Dan DeCrane: [00:29:20] Yeah, that’s, that’s a great question. excellent question. So there’s so much planning and preparation and trying to read the minds of teenagers. So I felt like I was maybe an oddity looking back where I was going to do anything that that coach told me to do and of course I, I admired him wholeheartedly when I played for him.

But just in general, like I’m going to run through a wall for hope and basketball. Well, not a lot of people are like me, and even today, so it’s finding ways to kind of get to the core of kids and to get to us and. What was, [00:30:00] challenging for that? Oh, 18 is we had a lot of talented players at Hoban, right there.

But in that period, they were all, a lot of them were big time basketball players. We had a kid get drafted by the White Sox after he went to Kent state to play baseball on pitch. And then we had a player who would play football at Akron, and another player played football at another college.

So we had a lot of athletes. So he, so TK the whole year was trying to find, and this is how I kind of approach every season too. It’s about how your puzzle pieces fit. You have a bunch of puzzle pieces and yeah. Get them to fit. And every year that puzzle changes, w it’s you get new guys.

So I think just trying to find that hole every year, you sort of have to reinvent yourself and maybe at a program, like a Hoban where you’re nine through 12, and that’s majority of the places that I’ve coached at, as well, every year, you’re kind of reinventing yourself to an extent. I think TK did an awesome job with that.

The looking back every year, And it’s not just showing up and thinking, Oh, all these [00:31:00] guys we’re going to work hard. We’re gonna be together. You have to find a way to get to us. And he always found a way to get to us.

Mike Klinzing: [00:31:05] So what did you have to do in order to be able to switch from being a criminal justice major, to be able to be a teacher and get your start in that, on the professional side of it.

Dan DeCrane: [00:31:17] So I ended up, going back to school at night. So I took a job in the private sector, in Beachwood at a private background screening company. I felt I owed it to myself to try to explore the career a little bit while I wanted, I knew in my back of my mind, I’m like, okay, I just finished, sort of going through my undergrad years now.

I know. Well, let’s see, let’s see what this is. Like. Maybe I can do both. Maybe I can coach yeah. And that certainly wasn’t the case. I didn’t want to be at a desk, a cubicle. I wanted to do something that I love to do. I think so many people in life try, they spend a years finding out what they really love to do, and instead of going out and doing it, and my dad and who was a successful business person, always told me if I could do it [00:32:00] all over again.

And he played college football at Denison, he’s like I would have gone back and taught economics and business and coach football. I’m like, no, what I mean, I’m 22, 23. I need to start doing that. So I started to research. a master’s program that I could teach and in social sciences, because that was mainly criminal justice, curriculums build up of political science and criminology and sociology.

So I, researched a couple of master’s programs, Notre Dame and Providence had an ACE program, they called it where you kind of went into to do some social justice work. Okay. that was actually going to take a lot longer. and it actually can stay at a master’s of arts and teaching program.

So I met with their director. This would have been the, see spring of Oh nine and I had to get some pre-recs done. So I was still working full time and I ended up getting, my classes done at tri-c because it was right down the street from my office in Beachwood. So I did classes [00:33:00] there and then I continued to coach in the evenings.

So I start, and then I started since I was working more on the Cleveland area, I started to expand my coaching, looking at different programs that the coach with as well. So I started to go back to school at nights. So I was working full time back at school at nights, and trying to find time to coach too.

Mike Klinzing: [00:33:17] All right. How does the opportunity come about that? You end up at Ed’s for a year.

Dan DeCrane: [00:33:22] Great. so all about connections, which so much about life. So I worked at, an office building and across the hallway was a Saint Ed’s grad, Bobby Andrews, who’s a  Lakewood guy. And he played at Ed’s. He also played football.

My dad’s a Saint Ed’s grad. And, just to talk with people, they’re like, Hey, I’ll, I’ll reach out to coach Flannery.  see if he’d, welcome me to a staff. I’m like, it’s not bad that beats the 15 minute commute or that’s a good make at Hoban. So put us in contact and, what a great guy Eric is, will listen to anybody, reaches out to him.

And I sat down in his office looking at all these. [00:34:00] These NBA and college jerseys that will admit Callum, wake forest in North Carolina, Jawad Williams, my man, this is pretty cool.  he’s like, well, you don’t have any paid positions. And I was looking for that, but he’s like, how about an assistant freshman job?

And I’m like, sorry. That’s great. Yeah. So while that job occurs, I ended up taking another part time job as a probation officer in Rocky River. so, while I, cause it was more, adaptable to my, my, School schedule at Kent State. So at that time I got to Kent state too. So I start to go to classes in Kent State, work in Rocky River, coach in Lakewood.

And I was still living at my parents’ house and still at the time. So it was kind of doing some go and get around,

Mike Klinzing: [00:34:46] Put some miles on the car

Dan DeCrane: [00:34:48] put some miles on the car. Yeah. And  what, what was nice is, I was the assistant freshmen coach, and I love that role.  acclimated those kids to Saint Ed’s and the high school basketball, but what was [00:35:00] also cool was.

Flannery really appreciated guys that put time in, in addition to this, the four to six practice schedule. So I scouted a lot for them too. And you looked at my notes, and  would listen to me. I have to like, listen to anybody, all the coaches I have time. See, he was very open to other people’s opinions about things.

So I kind of felt empowered and like, Hey though, I’m truly helping the whole program. as much as I can.

Mike Klinzing: [00:35:26] All right. I’m jumping ahead here, but I think this is a good point to ask you this question. So when you’re at this stage of your career, you are not married. You don’t have your three children, which you have today.

So clearly the amount of time that you have available to you to be able to go from your day job, to your volunteer coaching job, to your scouting on Friday night, to all these other things. Clearly that’s a time in life where you have the kind of time to [00:36:00] invest in those opportunities. So. Just talk a little bit about how you remember those times.

Do you even remember them? How much time you had back then, and then maybe just talk a little bit briefly here about how you balance coaching and some of those things that you just described, which obviously you can feel your enthusiasm for those things. And yet you have your family at home that clearly becomes your priority once you have them in place.

So just talk a little bit about how you balance family and coaching.

Dan DeCrane: [00:36:33] Sure. Oh, I feel like I do a terrible job of it, but I do the best I can. And I think the number one thing is I’ve eventually, married a coach’s wife. So I mean it to be, to be, to have a healthy coaching, you have to have a happy wife.

You have to find that right person. And ironically, my wife also went to Hoban. And we kind of re rekindled after college. So it’s sort of during the same time period that we sort of reconnected. When I [00:37:00] was coaching at st. EDS, I was actually my first year we started the date and in fact, I remember her being at, she was, she was a nurse at the time at an Akron general and she was the one of the assistant coaches and the freshman coach for a year at Hoban for the girls program.

And she was at the 08 district final. There’ll be one. I just remember these small things? And so we kind of had that mutual connection there. But, I just think coaches are doers. So if you’re going to coach, you’re putting in additional time to everything that you already do in your life.

And I think coaches do a great job balancing that in general. So, I’m cool with a five to six hour, sleeping pattern during the season and even, right now with having three kids, the time in my house is like nine o’clock at night. So I can get it over with

Mike Klinzing: [00:37:53] we’re with you a hundred percent.

Dan, we are with you on that one,

Jason Sunkle: [00:37:56] Except Mike’s quiet as time is like [00:38:00] 1:30 AM. So

Mike Klinzing: [00:38:02] yeah, the quarantine is getting everybody in my house is now sleeping a little bit later. Although now we’re, as we’re getting back to activities, we’re getting up a little bit earlier, but, and we’re our, our bedtimes are creeping later and later and I’m I’m as guilty of that as anybody.

Dan DeCrane: [00:38:15] Yeah, it’s tough. It’s, been an adjustment.  which is honestly, and I’ll go back to that scuttle please. In a second for the last three and a half months has been a blessing. Cause I’ve been around my kids so much more at a great age, seven, five and three that I, I didn’t have, and we’ve done a lot of change in the last eight years that I know we’ll continue to kind of touch on, but I just, looking back, I felt like opportunities opened up because.

I kept saying yes to people. Yes, I’ll do this. Yes, we’ll do that. Yes. I’m going to, go through and get my, my teaching license so I can go teach and coach and, because of that, you just, you gotta be pretty tight with your priorities. And I think the biggest thing that I struggle with is [00:39:00] making sure that when I’m home, I’m home and I try not to.

Nope, put stuff on Twitter for our guys or watch film when the kids want to want me to, wrestle or play, whatever we’re doing. And that’s tough and it’s tough during the year when you’re trying to, be successful on and off the court and make sure your future program successful. and then you’re making sure your kids are seeing you enough.

like I said, I think you gotta have the right.  copilot and I, fortunately I do.

Mike Klinzing: [00:39:28] All right. Excellent answer. And I think it’s something that all coaches. If they don’t use necessarily the word struggle, I think all coaches wrestle with that and try to figure out what’s that balance. Because clearly, if you are a coach, you have a burning passion for your team, for the game, for coaching.

And yet again, we all know that our number one priority is the people that live at home with those that we love and we care about. And. It’s difficult. It’s a difficult thing to balance. And I think it’s one of the biggest challenges that [00:40:00] we have in the coaching profession today, as we get more into what you’re doing today at Gilmore, we can talk more about this, but just the base, the baseline amount of time that you have to put in as a high school coach today, even compared to 15 or 20 years ago, just to.

Be in the conversation of doing what your quote supposed to do is just, I don’t think the average person has a great understanding of how much time a high school coach puts in. But before we get to that, let’s just kind of go through the, the next stops in your career. Talk to us about the two different assistant coaching jobs you had after you left EDS and then how you ended up getting your first head coaching job at Bishop Hartley.

Dan DeCrane: [00:40:38] Yeah. So. While I was at Ed’s. I was getting my masters at Kent State. And I did my student teaching. I’ve still. So I was still working in Rocky River part time as a probation officer, like I said, but I kind of felt I really wanted a different, coaching environment, different experience. So I [00:41:00] started to kind of, consult a few mentors of mine, TK being one of them.

And I’m like, what, if I just go in the city, I grew up in the suburbs, primarily Caucasian population and. I want to immerse myself in something that’s different and I want to learn about different types of people. So he was, no colleagues, I guess we’ll call them friends, but knew Ross for a really well at Akron East.

And, and I don’t know if you guys know Ross too well, Ross is, roll up your sleeves old school. Disciplinary and, but love the kids wasn’t, supported them wholeheartedly. So he calls Ross for ELA in the fall. This would have been the fall of  2010. And it was like Ross.  I got a guy.

I think he could help you out. I don’t know if you’re looking for somebody. So immediately, I get this call from this, three, 300 number. I answer it. And, it’s a standard crane.  Ross is, five foot seven. And, you [00:42:00] know, but his, his demeanor is six nine, he seems kind of like all of this conversation.

It was great? Which for all, I appreciate the opportunity. Can we talk and share what was good for you? And I meet with him and he, he definitely didn’t smile at me in our conversation for the 45 minute interview. We went on and after awhile, like, I just, I just want to help out. I just, I just want to help your program.

I got a little bit of a calling for this right now. I don’t know if I’ll be here next year. I have no idea what’s gonna happen in my future, but.  I’m committed to you and they went, they had just come off back to back, district champions and one being individual one. And they lost a Jackson, in, in 2010 and who and the regional semis and Jackson one at all.

So they had a good pro I mean, he was doing great things. so he, he took me on and, I ended up getting the JV job because of some coaching changes that had happened, but right after I got hired, so I was his assistant varsity and head JV coach. And I. I got so much [00:43:00] out of that experience, probably more so than the kids got and probably him for that matter.

I mean, learning what kid’s life was like off the court and trying to help them and just so many small ways and seeing their appreciation for things that, not a lot of my, background. I didn’t see that as much.  he had snacks in the coach’s office that he would give to kids after every practice, before they got on the city bus to drive.

So, to, to get home, we went out a donor, took us to Luigi’s pizza that the kids, I guess it was an annual tradition, like kind of towards the end of the season. And I drove kids home that day in a snow storm. And I just had a great experience as learning about them and just seeing their background.

And I always joke with Ross too. Cause. He went three districts in four years. And the one year he didn’t, I was on his bench and we got upset in the first round. So I knew that I didn’t bring him a lot of luck, but I just, I got so much out of that experience. It was great. and then from there, [00:44:00] I graduated with my masters and I was serious with my girlfriend at the time now wife and I, and just like, Hey Katie, I want to make the state of Ohio my search because at the time social studies teachings were a hot commodity. So I made my umbrella, right before you did everything, there was a lot of emails, applications, but I did a lot of hard copies at the time, still too. Cause you could do it back, 10 years ago.

Surprisingly and I got, One at the time one call and it was from Bishop Hartley, didn’t know anybody there to known. I knew, one of my good friends now, was a, an employee of the Columbus diocese. I have no Columbus ties. so they call me for interview. I go, yeah. I mean, why not?  what do I have to lose?

And I did some more research on the school and the program. And first interview went well second. And we went really well and they said, well, if we’re going to hire you, I want you to coach, even though, and they just came off a final, full run too. And they’ll also say be, in the, in the file for that year in division two.

So I met with Randy quarter cracks who [00:45:00] think he’s like second rebounds at Findlay, University of Findlay and second points. I mean, his dad is obviously the legendary coach at Kalida and, the, so a mountain of a man, I mean, yeah. It’s huge being such a great athlete too. and he’s a, so yeah, I love to have, ya know, see what happens with your teaching contract and they offered it to me.

and then sure enough, I get, two more calls from NDCL and another place, I think that I was looking for a social studies teaching job. I was trying to coordinate that with coaching, but took the job at Hartley and, just what what’s a, moved out on my own. then surely knew, two months later I proposed to my wife because I wanted to make sure

Mike Klinzing: [00:45:39] she came with you.

Dan DeCrane: [00:45:41] Right. She came with me the next year. So, for three years I was the, an assistant JV had freshmen. And then my last year, probably my most, valuables and assistant, because I was basically the offensive coordinator and we had a good team. it’s the school’s phenomenal. I mean, there’s just, there’s so successful.

A lot of [00:46:00] sports. Brad Burchfield’s a football coach there. I learned so much from being around him and seen what he does and talk about a guy that it’s successful on and off the court. the football field. So we were, we were closed and like I said, learned a ton from him, but just learning on the fly of, we had a good team and, and.

Hey, I’m the play call, right? I’m the puppet master of the offense. And Randy giving me that role was so vital for my development as a coach. And, again, the basketball worlds are very ironic. Everything kind of that comes around and goes around. So two of our biggest wins that year, like was against Bishop Ready, who was a league rival.

And in that league, there’s five teams, the central Catholic league. Bishop Waterson, Bishop Ready,  St. Charles St. Francis Desales and Bishop Hartley and everyone’s arrival. I think so. Yeah, we, we finished second in the league that year, I believe, but we, we got, we swept Bishop Reedy who had a really good team that eight seniors, they were really talented.

their best player was Josh Gans [00:47:00] who played at UMass Lowell, six-seven kid. We had a thousand points scorer, Chris Moxley went onto. Heidelberg and scored a thousand points there. So we, we, we, we see them in the district final and, I mean talk about, Playing like your C game. We were down like 20 to four and I’m like, Oh my gosh, the ball can not go in that orange circular thing for us.

And they ended up beating us and go to the final four and oddly enough, their coach, Donald Shortsel, was from Marion and he, about a week or so after the tournament run, he resigned and he took the Marion Harding job. And the word on the street in Columbus was Bishop Ready’s going to be down.

They got nobody coming back.  again, not as glamorous as it looks because they just wouldn’t fall for, and my take kind of being from Northeast, Ohio, but living in Columbus for a long period of time, Columbus jobs are really hard to come by. Just in general, it’s a growing city. People it’s an attractive place to [00:48:00] live.

and that goes into the education coaching field. So I threw all my eggs in that basket. And I network with people who are within our educational system there in Columbus. The diocese and through the coaching networks. And I got an interview and no kind of found out through the pipe line that no really put guys with head coaching experiences we’re really going for, for the job.

And, I’m like, yeah, it’s a kind of a rival school. So there was an awkward piece really to it. but I’m like, know what? I’m a Catholic school background guy. I really want to do this. If they offered me the job.  if I’m serious about really being a head coach at the high school level, I, let’s go, so, sure enough, I was fortunate to get hired in may of 2014 and, my wife and I went from canal Winchester on the East side to grove city on the West side of Columbus And then we made Bishop to your home.

Mike Klinzing: [00:48:54] What did you take away from your time as an assistant [00:49:00] that. You were able to apply as a head coach question number one and then two, what did you think it was going to be like being a head coach versus what the experience actually was like in your first? Let’s say 60 days, if you remember.

Dan DeCrane: [00:49:16] Oh yeah. Yeah. I figured out a book about like six months, at least, but 60 days is good too. You have to realize that when you’re, now you could sort of call me like the associate head coach, top assistant at Hartley. In my last year, you have to realize that the win loss record isn’t on my name.

So, when we install like a ball screen, roll European, ball screen off offense, we felt like it fit our personnel. Well, well, if that would have collapsed, yeah. Quartercracks would have been a pretty upset with me, but at the same time he would have. No, I learned, I can learn from that and be fine.

So I had the. The experimental lab work without necessarily [00:50:00] as many repercussions. I obviously took pride in that because I wanted to do it. So to go well, but I was also able, he really gave me the keys to run our youth program and, and try to get kids attracted 3d, excuse me, to Hartley. So I started a summer league at, at Hartley where we basically had one gym.

but we try to get two nights a week where we had four hour windows and we made teams in the seventh and eighth grade. Oh, the assistant coaches coached and global site, it’s a little mini city league. It was done by a Catholic school and it went, swimmingly well, people loved it for the kids.

So I get hired at Hartley the very next late spring in May and I, and at radio, I’m going to do the same thing? So. Day, one of the job after meeting the kids, which was great.  you really want kids. I think the day I got the job, I [00:51:00] took some good advice. You want to give them something like here’s who we’re going to be.

Here’s what we’re going to do together. And this isn’t really about Dan DeCrane it’s about Bishop Ready basketball. And we’re just a piece of that longstanding tradition of great coaches and players and success. So.  gave them something that we were going to kind of model ourselves after. And then honestly, like I went running on the floor to our Catholic feeder schools and I’m like, Hey, here’s who I am.

I can’t wait to meet you. So I started in like a two weeks timeframe, like a summer league that had 19 kids in it. So we had to play four and four. we only had one gym. Saturday nights and Monday nights. And this is kind of goes into our season, our bingo nights. So we can’t even use it, Jim, those evenings.

So you’re trying to find everything you can do to get your guys’ time and your, kind of getting with our, with our community to see who wanted to become part of our, hopeful basketball [00:52:00] program one day. So, needless to say, and then my wife would laugh at this too. We went to every single Catholic church festival.

With the blue Bishop Ready gear that we could find and just kind of meet people. And I didn’t like act like I was the mayor, but I just, I wanted to say, Hey, I can’t wait to be, I am part of your community, family, and here’s who I am. And. No, come check us out. And, I was tired. I got home at 10 o’clock, most nights, my wife, and one kid at a time, two kids outside.

I can’t even remember now. didn’t see me very much. but at the end of the summer, I felt like, okay, we kind of put some foundation work together, kind of going forward, which no led to a lot of good things there.

Mike Klinzing: [00:52:44] Did you, before you got the head coaching job, did you have. A notebook, a computer file, a system for collecting things that you thought you would need, or that you would use when you eventually became a head coach.

Did you [00:53:00] have that foresight when you were as an assistant coach to sort of start preparing for the time when you would have a head coaching job?

Dan DeCrane: [00:53:08] Yeah. And I don’t call mine a coaching philosophies. I call mine the program and it was basically. Here’s who I am. And it was certainly pieced together from tons of people I’ve been around, me creating some of it, but obviously the entire piece, but I just call it the program.

And if I have, if you’re, if I’m fortunate enough to be offered this job, here’s what I’m going to do. And it’s, it’s silly, evolving. Like I, I added to it like last week after I was kind of wrapping up some things I did for the 20, 1920 season at Gilmore. And yeah, I definitely had that and I modeled it, but then.

I learned quickly every team is different, but  and you have to adapt to that, to be, to find success. I think people who adapt are going to be very successful. [00:54:00] You can’t be the same coach and do the same exact things you did three years ago and expect to have success.

That’s I’m not talking about morals and values for justice, whether it’s schemes, finding ways to connect with kids, growing your program and different avenues on and off the floor. Oh, and, and I started to do that a little bit on the fly at Reedy, as I’m learning more and more about the environment of that event.

Mike Klinzing: [00:54:21] So what are some, let’s take it this direction. What are some values that don’t change? Don’t matter. What year it is, no matter what program you take over, no matter what your kids are like, what are some things that you stand for as a coach from a value standpoint, again, not talking about obviously schemes change, the game, changes your personnel changes.

And so then you make adjustments within that, but I’m guessing that there are some core things that you believe in that you’re still going to believe in 10 years from now, and that you believed in 10 years ago.

Dan DeCrane: [00:54:54] Yeah, no, a hundred percent. And. We had what we called the Ready way when I was [00:55:00] at Ready and we had six core principles.

And when I got to Gilmore, I wanted to, I feel like sometimes, the, when there’s more than five things, it gets, it gets twisted and goes to different branches, which is, which is good. So I kind of tried to condense them into four and the first one was family. I just feel like anything you do in life, that’s going to be meaningful, worthwhile, successful.

You find. you get a lot out of it is with other people. And I think with that, it goes servant leadership and, and uplifting others and finding ways to connect with the people around you to make them better, like a family, and I have so much fun, their basketball family to teach them the game that I, same thing I do with coloring with my three year old, like that’s, trying to teach somebody something.

So, that kind of really resonates with us and. another one is faith.  we’re all in different areas of our faith life. And some of those might not blue, the have one, but  having faith in other people and, and trust [00:56:00] and belief. And obviously I’m able to do that. And my Catholic faith in the schools that I’ve been fortunate enough to coach at, but having faith in a power above God and, and finding us answers to life’s hard questions and our journey and our paths together.

and then the other two that I sort of reshaped, maybe a lack of a better term is of the first ones max effort. I always see people like, Hey, that’s good effort. That’s great effort. I had no awesome effort today. And well, did you have maximum effort? Did you, did you. No approach a conversation with a friend who who’s a need with tremendous effort, just as much as you did spring the floor or studying for that chemistry test.

So, going through that with maximum effort, I think is different than just going, Hey, let’s give out good effort today because you’re going to get final.  I, I truly believe that hard work is just one ingredient of success. It’s an important one. You have to have it, but you also have to do it, I think full throttle and you will get there.

And the last one is. No, it’s the big T [00:57:00] word, but it’s toughness. And I know being resilient, finding ways to persevere during hard times. And I just got off a zoom call tonight with, our guys kind of showing us some examples of that. And that’s such a, it’s so easy, especially nowadays there’s so many problems, so much going on and it’s finding the resiliency and the.

The grit to kind of get through it in a positive way. So those are the four things I feel like right now, we’ve really tried. I’ve tried to rally around as a coach and a leader of the basket.

Mike Klinzing: [00:57:32] So as you’re rallying your kids around those values, how do you go about instilling those in your team? Is it a process where you point out behaviors during practice during games and say, That particular action that I just witnessed is what toughness to me is all about.

Or that action in the locker room really shows me that you understand what family is all about. [00:58:00] Is that how you do it as kind of defining behaviors or attaching behaviors that you can then recognize in your kids to those values? Or is there some other way that you try to impart it and get it across to your players?

Dan DeCrane: [00:58:11] Yeah, we do a multiple multitude of things. Yeah. And to answer your question directly with the examples we’re given, like yeah, we, we definitely highlight things that kids do. And we had three players this year who won a business award, that they did with their landscaping, business model. And it was just an initiative that they took on that they grew and they, and so finding things that kids are doing productively on and off the court, Through their service work.

we had a couple of kids who we did a homeless veterans initiative, where we raised, our freshman coach, Randy Keller helped us lead, raising funds and. Just basic goods for homeless veterans in the Cleveland area. And a lot of kids jumped on that. We did a black history month project [00:59:00] where kids had a research team up with another teammate and research that and conduct that.

Then we have a special Olympics team coaches that we coach a the Mayfield lancers who Coach Pfundstein started. We have coaches and kids who have specific roles with that, but. and we highlight things on the court too, obviously.  I started showing more of our bench during big plays, to the kids and guys standing up and cheering and getting touches.

And I did things happening on the court. I felt like the last couple of weeks of the season, because it was so important. It just shows guys that. Guy 15 didn’t play at all, but he was so invested in what we did. And I thought we had a great, second half of the season because of that, a book, I think a bigger thing that I did about five years ago was I developed a curriculum to kind of teach life lessons through, through our programming.

We call it Squire sessions and I got the term because I was trying to find things to be creative, I guess, but. [01:00:00] A Squire is a middle you term for a night and training. And it really, we were the, the Bishop Reedy silver Knights. Ironically, I was the whole one night back in the day. And then now I’m a Lancer, which is comfortable.

Mike Klinzing: [01:00:14] There seems to be a theme here, an odd theme running through this, Dan.

Dan DeCrane: [01:00:17] Yeah. Exactly. So we have topics where we literally kind of teach lessons. Sometimes it’s like a PowerPoint. Sometimes it’s a group activity. Sometimes it’s a video discussion or a service project. Like I said, where we do things like, we teach positive psychology, what it means to be happy and the mindset that goes into it.

I mentioned resiliency. so we have, social issues discussion three weeks ago. All together about what’s what’s been going on in our world. the perseverance story we shared tonight was the Kevin Atlas story. And just so  that kind of stuff, I think you can’t just say, Hey, we, we teach kids things without showing kind of like a lesson plan?

And, and so we kind of have a model that, [01:01:00] No, it’s quite honestly, I’m like, I wish I had more time to keep doing more of these things and reading. Yeah. And I’ll give you an example too, of how it was different at reading.  I felt like some of our kids’ backgrounds were a little bit different and kids are kids.

14, 18 year olds are. We’re growing. They’re inconsistent at times. They’re, they have different agendas, different goals and aspirations, and trying to again, get a group of guys that come together with the backgrounds that kids at Rady were different. So we were, we were teaching kids how to cut hair and, and change tires, that, cause they’re going to do that one day.

But just because, we felt like it was important  for them to learn those things. Certainly don’t more guys gotta learn how to change a tire too. They get pulled over off the highway, but we felt like with the group of kids, we have w w they’re going to get, the best adults from the program that we wanted to start.

Mike Klinzing: [01:01:48] So. Absolutely. I think that what I hear you saying is something that goes to a lot of the conversations that I’ve been able to have on the podcast. When coaches talk about life lessons, or they [01:02:00] talk about anything specific to their coaching. And that is that it’s really, really important for you to be intentional.

And what I hear you talking about when you’re saying about the community service things you’re doing and about the life lessons that you’re trying to teach and instilling the values in your kids and pointing out behaviors, all that stuff. Based on the fact that you’re putting together the Squire program is done intentionally.

And I’m sure that that’s something that you have to continuously go back and remind yourself of, Hey, I gotta be looking out for those things. I know I’ve said this myself a few times on the podcast that there’ll be times for me as a coach where I’ll get excited about something and I may do it for a week or two weeks.

And then. I’ll lose. I’ll lose my focus as a coach and I’ll move on to the next thing. And then this thing that two weeks ago, I was so excited about. Sometimes it gets pushed away. And what I find is I have to be very, very intentional in my planning and in my thought process, going into [01:03:00] practice or going into a game or going into a meeting, whatever it may be to make sure.

That I’m focused on the right things and I’m being intentional in teaching the things that I want to teach. And so maybe just talk a little bit about how you go about being intentional in your day with your kids practice in whatever setting it is that you’re interacting with them.

Dan DeCrane: [01:03:18] Yeah. And, and we’re definitely in the, you gotta show me that.

Tell me era, right. And that’s, I think a big part of it. So obviously I have to be excited about whether it’s a practice drill or a thing we’re doing off the court. Otherwise, it’s not going to, because aren’t going to buy into it. They’re not going to go for it, but they have to see the tangible results to things too.

And so something that I think maybe sets us apart a little bit to teaching these things and, and instilling some stuff on the court is we have a unique leadership role where everyone on my varsity teams, the captain. And they’re not all, they don’t all go out at the 17 minute Mark and [01:04:00] shake hands with the officials and the other team captain.

we have two to three kids paired up and they’re leading different parts of our program. Because again, going back to the Squire stuff is you, you can’t just say, Hey, go be a leader. Hey, you’re a captain. What does that mean?  it’s a title. If you don’t show kids what to do. So. We, we have, a coach assigned, they get one or two of these captains groups.

And so our captains are based, are split up on the, we have weight room captains. We have practice captains. We have, like a spirit faith formation captain. We have game day captains who you would typically see it, the center court, we have, It’s a locker room captains who are responsible for the climate and physical appearance of the locker room home in a way.

So I feel like kids can be, could grow with certain roles because to me you’re either impacting somebody positively or negative, Adolf Hitler, unbelievable leader, dangerous one, certainly a [01:05:00] negative one responsible for millions of deaths, but he led millions of people to do something.

 Mahatma Gandhi, unbelievable leader, right? Mother Theresa. I mean, we can name Martin Luther King. We can name so many people. It’s the power of, of yourself and how you’re going to impact those around you. So, at practice, I feel like, kinda, tie in basketball a little bit too is, you gotta be good, you gotta be connected.

 I really get on my guys when we’re not cheering and clapping for each other and drills, if you’re not directly involved to it. so we have certain, Whistle commands and claps where I get their attention, but I expect their energy level to increase because of that.  so, but you have to reinforce those positive habits.

 life’s all about creating healthy habits and same thing with basketball, right? So all the things we’re doing now, but things do in practice, they’re going to trickle into a game. And just so  you can’t be good at everything. I, I might get that, but. Some of the culture stuff. Cause I believe culture [01:06:00] is, intentional behaviors, that you’re trying to, that you naturally perform and we’re trying to create positive and uplifting behaviors.

So, like I said, whether it’s, if it’s clapping during our, Villanova passing up and down drill, or it’s a, when a guy takes the charge, all five guys go and run and pick them up. Like that’s the kind of stuff that. No, we’re, we’re trying to instill video on the court in games and  practices, to represent a good moral culture.

Mike Klinzing: [01:06:31] Yeah, absolutely. I think that when you do those kinds of things and you’re intentional about them, you end up being much more likely to get the kind of results that you want to get. Let’s shift to some more basketball, specific questions. And first one I’ll start out with is what is something. Nerdy for lack of a better word, basketball, dirty about coaching that you love, that maybe somebody might not know about you just from [01:07:00] knowing you, not in a, not, not deeply and being able to be in your practices or be part of your coaching staff.

What’s a nerdy basketball thing that you really love about coaching?

Dan DeCrane: [01:07:10] Oh, man. About coaching specifically, I just think that history of high school basketball. So right now I have like six now, maybe more than that, probably 10 different, windows up. And like six of them are on the Ohio high school basketball tournament histories that statistics.

And I did this when I was growing up. I remember open up the Akron beacon journal every Wednesday, cause they had them ranking polls and the box scores from the Tuesday night games. And I just remember names scores what teams were good. so I think what I try to do now as a coach and how that’s kind of related to what of who I am now is, I’m constantly on Twitter.

And like I said, different websites looking up, coaching [01:08:00] changes to, the, the 92 Gilmore’s titled team who lost a Bruin Highland and what bro, and Highland, player was up there. Cause  who’s coaching on that.  I just do really well strange things with, with, I’m maybe coaching and playing and program trees.

I think in the state of Ohio. I just think it’s, I think Ohio’s so underrated and sports in our country.  you talk about the athletes and Florida, California, Texas, and there’s so many good players. We, so to answer your question fully to Mike, we had, we didn’t too bad ask while trivia nights overcoat during COVID-19 with our, with our high school kids.

And one of my categories was. Oh, wait, just say history. And one night was individual. One night was team records and the kid,

Mike Klinzing: [01:08:49] Your kids, do they know anything?

Dan DeCrane: [01:08:51] Well, they get so mad at me because like, I kind of warned them that some of the questions were probably pretty hard and  like, who’s.

 mr. [01:09:00] Basketball, whatever, they got the LeBron questions. Right. Kind of, but they, they struggled with everything else, they got, they think they got St John’s arena. Right. And that kind of, but yeah, so that kind of stuff.

Mike Klinzing: [01:09:12] That’s cool. That’s fun. That’s funny. Just one thing when you were talking that jumped out at me is when you talked about how you used to pour over the box scores and the Akron Beacon Journal.

And that’s one of the things that now, if you want to find a high school box score, It is like brutal to try to sort through the various websites and somehow try to get to a box score. That’s one of the things that I remember I missed so much as the newspaper coverage started to go away even today as a guy who doesn’t coach high school basketball, but just.

It was so much easier and more convenient to be able to just flip, open the sports page on Saturday morning and flip through and just see the scores and the various teams. And you could keep track of, Oh, I’ve looked at this [01:10:00] shaker Heights box score five games in a row. And this kid said over 20 points.

Every game must be pretty good. And then maybe you start to follow that particular player a little bit more and just kind of pay attention to them. I think it’s much, you have to be. A serious, serious fan of high school basketball in general, to be able to follow the game in the same way. It takes a lot more, I think, effort, which is kind of strange when you think about it, that the internet has made so much more information accessible.

And yet I feel like local sports coverage is so much more difficult to find in a lot of ways.

Dan DeCrane: [01:10:32] Oh, I mean, we’ll look at the Youngstown Vindicator, they, they, they stopped, right. You lose the media outlets and then you got pay it. Yeah. Subscribe and pay for online stuff so much. You can’t, like you mentioned the lack of scores and I knew coaches six years ago.

They’ve cut out box scores and keep them, and I try to save a lot of that data for their scattering reports and that’s gone, it’s funny, we kind of just were talking [01:11:00] about kind of, I think coaches and history. So, this is about two and a half months ago during COVID I’m online on a Saturday morning.

And I see a special story. Ron is late March because it was right after the, tournament got canceled and the only Mahoning Valley, Mahoning County Mahoning Valley, Mr. Basketball was Bobby Patton jr. In 1990. Well, they did a special, one of the news stations that have special ed and they, it was like 15 minutes long and they show big games.

He played in, this one blank, those crazy districts in my file ended in a fight. And  so, so anyway, where I’m going with this in a file for they beat Bishop Hartley and, The Bishop Hartley coach at the time was Sam Davis, who was a longtime coach at New Albany. Yeah. I know saying it was really well.

So I call Sam Davis up and I’m like, you gotta check this out. Like there’s a 35 year old version of yourself. It’s like a sixties now. That kind of stuff was cool, but you’re right. It’s so hard to find that now, [01:12:00] and it kind of takes away a lot from, from a high school like that traditional pageantry you were talking about.

Mike Klinzing: [01:12:04] Absolutely. I think you just. I remember as a high school player and then as a young adult and going back and still trying to follow it and reading the articles and learning more about, what games the plain dealer is going to be covering. You knew those were going to be the big games and you’d see the five or five or six games on Saturday morning.

Eddie Dwyer would be at the game and you knew it was a big game cause Eddie was there and just it’s, it’s just a different, it’s a different world. Today, when it comes to high school basketball and in so many, in so many different ways, which I’m sure you can attest to some of the changes and the way things are going.

And so let’s take it that direction. I referenced it a little bit earlier, just in terms of the amount of time that you have to put in as a high school coach. So talk a little bit about maybe not so much you’re in season work mode, but just talk a little bit about, obviously this is a, not a normal summer, but in a normal summer.

[01:13:00] Just maybe give us an idea of some of the things that you do in your program to help your kids get better. And what an average summer might look like in terms of the time commitment that you’re putting in.

Dan DeCrane: [01:13:09] Yeah, sure. So some things last couple weeks have changed for us, what our schools allowing us to do.

But, I honestly, like, I think June is my busiest month of the year, from, from a youth camps during the days, No, just what I used to have summer leagues when I ran those at Reedy and I used to only have one gym to that to getting our, our high school guys practices, with a 10 day, rule period, and making wise use of those to the incoming freshmen and getting those kids acclimated to then having, summer leagues and summer shootouts we were at.

And then I always believe that. If one of my players, especially he was an upperclassmen going to be junior senior. If he’s getting recruited or wants to play at a particular college and level, I want to make sure he gets seen in our team setting in front of those colleges. So I try to schedule, our shootouts at [01:14:00] some of those colleges to take our guys to, which is good for everybody, but especially for that particular player.

And that all happens in June. So no typical day in June, we’ll be, get my kids. Fortunately, I can go to camp with me at Gilmore right now with certain summer programs that have been. It’s it’s get up at five 15. I usually get about an hour of quote unquote, quiet time with my coffee and without doing basketball researchers responding to emails and then it’s, it’s, get to the gym and it’s, youth camp, from eight to about four, eight 30 right now is about eight through two.

And then it’s our workouts for our guys. typically it’d be, lifting, possibly with another coach maybe in the morning or afternoon. Unfortunately, the strength and conditioning coach at Gilmore too, in case the coach can’t be there. but it’s, it’s lifting with those guys getting to make sure they’re getting their work.

And if they’re not looking for a fall sports that have full sport athletes do their, their, their, their strength program. and then it’s, if it’s the Forman workout, if it’s a coaching day, we’re going to have a full, 90 minutes to our practice [01:15:00] into. maybe a summer league game that night.

So we don’t have to, lose a coaching day, so to speak. and it’s, last year we were in to summer league. So sometimes there were on the same nights or kind of traveling to different parts of the, of, of the Cleveland area, but the play in those, and it’s getting home at, not right now, but nine o’clock at night and not right now, I can kind of get our workouts done and stuff.

There’s different rules of some with COVID-19 a little bit earlier, but you’re doing that during the week. And then maybe a Saturday shootout from June one through, really the 4th of July. It’s kind of when things sort of change. And then we kind of turn over to small group workouts. We do a lot of format workouts.

We can get a lot of reps in and, and teach, footwork more specifically or work on a player’s weakness, more in a one on one. Like I said, if there’s a baseball player, We got a football guy who wants to come in after his football left. Like I’m always willing to work with kids to make sure they get time with me or another coach on the floor.

So yeah, it’s a full week. It’s a full, a full summer.

[01:16:00] Mike Klinzing: [01:16:00] Tell us a little bit about your youth camp and how that fits into you being able to build your program at Gilmour.

Dan DeCrane: [01:16:07] Yeah. So Gilmore, we’ve been blessed to have a shout out to our athletic director, Sean O’Toole, and he came on board in 2016 and was an assistant with Dave, for David Pfundstein for  a couple of years before I got hired and then, his role shifted to full time being the athletic director full time. so, I inherited some coaches and, and brought some new ones in, but one thing that Sean’s done for, I think he’s going on his 27th, 28th years, a big shot basketball.

To me, that was an attractive piece because the, honestly I got Ready, no, we really felt like as much of success and tradition that they had. When I got hired, I felt like we really had to kind of make this a grassroots, build it from the ground up program because we weren’t going to have success at the varsity level right away.

so I spent hours upon hours of communication, marketing arts camps, and, and summer leagues. I started, well, Sean does [01:17:00] that. So you know that that’s, that’s one of his businesses and it’s a successful one at that. So I’m able to be, a face and.  hands on with the kids on the floor and the organization and the structure and direction come from a great basketball mind, and, and a great person who cares about kids.

So, and obviously he’s got a name interrupted and a strong reputation in the basketball world. So I’m able to kind of co-joined that rather than have to kind of start my own. And like I said earlier, Every program is different.  if I have a head job in another part of the city, or another area I’ve had to work differently, so it was adaptable for that.

And, and honestly, that’s, it’s, it’s, it’s nice for me because, with a young family, I can kind of be more.  I could spend my, my, my main power hours differently. You

Mike Klinzing: [01:17:56] know, talk a little bit about the relationship [01:18:00] between you and Sean, just how you guys, if you knew each other before you got the job and then how the relationship has built up, obviously you have the athletic director coach relationship, but you also have.

his son playing, playing for you on the team. So talk a little about that parent coach relationship and just what Sean has meant to you in terms of you having success there at Gilmore.

Dan DeCrane: [01:18:24] Sure, sure. So, I didn’t know, Sean. Oh, a whole heck of a lot. We joked actually this past week when I was at Akron East, he was the head coach  at Ignatius and his freshman played ours.

But I don’t remember meeting him in the corner of the gym and we were kind of joking about that. And, I coached against him at Ed’s the year before, I was one of the 20 coaches  on the Ed’s staff and obviously wasn’t gonna know me from anybody else, but, I applied for the Gilmour job in the spring of 2018 and with our growing family and my wife and I both were both from Northeast Ohio.

We were looking for [01:19:00] opportunities to come back home and I was only gonna do it for the right job. I kind of felt Gilmour was a transformational place, not just for me, but for the product that can produce for a kid, a student athlete, especially too. So it was attractive. And I, I reached out to some people and.

It’s Catholic, founding is by the Holy Cross brothers who are also connected with Hoban and, and, and Saint Edwards. So I had, people at both schools who knew me, who knew Sean. so they, they reached out to Sean and I applied for the job and, the administration didn’t know me as well, but, I was fortunate enough to get an interview and.

It was kind of later on, it was in the middle of June  and they hadn’t had a coach for two months, and they had a lot of success when David stepped out. Cause fun sense of doubt.  they had a great backorders. We had Cedar Charleston and Connor O’Toole  and other players, guys were ready to go, [01:20:00] so I got hired in the middle of June and Sean and I had talked.

Maybe daily on his way, home from camp at night. And I got to know him really well that way before I even got hired. And then as soon as I got there, John’s a great guy and I knew our relationship with look at anything. It takes time to grow. So, I have different ideas, different views, different things I do.

And, kind of realizing maybe for the first time in Connor’s life, a really talented player. Great young man. His, dad’s not going to coach him in high school, in a school setting. Cause his dad was always his coach, so just showing him, their family, everybody at Gilmour, who I was as a person and a lot of things I had mentioned, like, here’s who I am, this is what I want to do.

And I think he appreciated that. And then. No, but words don’t speak as much as actions do. So just showing that on a day to day basis, but also having a basketball mind to rely on, and, sometimes I’ll walk [01:21:00] in his office and he’ll be more pumped for our upcoming year or the game. And like, we were ready to go great.

 well, sick, he’s like, yeah. Right. And that’s okay, sure. It’s thing, it gives me confidence, like, okay.  He’s he sees what we’re doing. He’s had a lot of success at a lot of other places, and obviously that Ignatius nuclear before. So, Hey, that’s a good thing. So, bounce ideas off him as awesome.

And  like the director of the GCP, DCA and district two and.  having someone that was going to be on your side, like that is just a huge asset, just not just for our program, but for me as a head coach.

Mike Klinzing: [01:21:37] Yeah, absolutely. I can only imagine, had you been in the facilities at Gilmore before he came up to interview?

Dan DeCrane: [01:21:43] So my cousin, got married at Gilmour chapel and in 2009 and it was right when they were finishing the gym. I remember it was in a wintertime. So I [01:22:00] walked by and peek my head and I’m like, this place is incredible. And then by year, we, we played at Gilmour in their field house because their main gym was not done yet.

And you couldn’t really see anything, but, so it’s so ironic, Mike at Reedy that really has redone their floor the year after I left. Reading’s floor was about 35 years old. One of my assistants and I twice a week would take a block, a hammer and pound in the nails, back into the woods. And the wood was down too.

It’s not, yeah, they couldn’t really put a finish on it anymore. So I was begging or administration at the time, and I know funds are tied tighter, and every school is different, but just to kind of give you the, the, the visual of what it was like, where I was at, and then you walk into, I’m not trying to be biased, but it’s one of the best game playing facilities I’ve seen in the state of Ohio.

 it’s just gorgeous, [01:23:00] modern, and gorgeous. And. I joke with biases and stuff. I feel like our opponents shoot too well in the gym. It’s like a shooters gym. Like there’s, it’s a great place to play for everybody, not just our guys. So, but now it’s, it’s unbelievable.  it’s a macula did a great job with the spacing.

Obviously it sits low with the high ceilings and the windows and the lighting. I mean, it’s, it’s a neat place to be. It really is.

Mike Klinzing: [01:23:22] Yeah. It’s a fantastic facility for anybody who is in the Cleveland area. Who’s been there, realize what a special facility is. If you haven’t been it’s worth your time.

And I joke that I spent whatever, 13 or 14 years coaching at Richmond Heights and playing Gilmore every single year. And we always played in the old gym where you would sit and there was. It was like old Cleveland municipal stadium where you would sit and have to bench would be on one side of the pillar.

And it was just this tiny current, this time, tiny cramped little space. And my leg last year of coaching must have been 2008, maybe 2009. So it [01:24:00] must’ve been right before construction began on the new facility. And then for a long time, my kids were little, I wasn’t coaching anymore, so I never made it over there.

And I don’t think I even realized that a new gym had been built. And so at some point, a couple of years ago, my son had an AAU tournament and we were playing, we were playing out at Gilmore and I walked into that place and I was like, Oh my God. Like, I couldn’t even wrap my head around the fact that you still, you still obviously have the field house, which I remember.

And then.  but the old gym has gone and here you have this beautiful unreal arena, like setting where there used to be this tiny band box of a gym where I would have to sit behind a pillar as an assistant coach. And it just, it just blew my mind. It’s really, honestly, I think you’re a hundred percent spot on that.

It’s, it’s one of the most beautiful facilities and places to play basketball. I can’t imagine a better. [01:25:00] High school core high school environment, high school arena. However you want to phrase it than what you guys have there at Gilmore. And I’m sure that’s a huge attraction to be able to get players to kids, to enroll.

Dan DeCrane: [01:25:10] Yeah, well, and it’s a statement, even to me, when I was applying for the job, it’s, it shows like, Hey, cause to me a sort of an extension of the classroom and it wouldn’t, you want to have a nice classroom, it’s the same thing with, with the gym to me and the dude, other stuff too, if you go back like, like there’s.

For baseball field. I mean, brand new stadium type stuff what I mean? It’s just awesome. And yeah, obviously it’s a, it’s a, it’s something that can sell itself and I didn’t have a lot of opportunities. The Alaska will stop necessarily had that. So this was a great, huge, kind of calling to the pocket for this job for me.

Mike Klinzing: [01:25:46] Yeah, absolutely. There’s no question about it. Dan. We’re coming up close to an hour and a half and spent a lot of fun to get a chance to talk to you, get a chance to learn more about what makes you tick and how you built your programs. Before we get out, I want to give you a chance to share how [01:26:00] people can get in touch with you, share your social media handles what the best way is for people to reach out if they have questions or they just want to say hello.

And then after you do that, I’ll jump back in and wrap up

Dan DeCrane: [01:26:09] the episode. Sure. Yeah, my Twitter handle, our, my personal one is @coachdecrane. Feel free to, DM or send me a  message. and my email, decraneD@gilmour.org.  And, yeah, I, this has been an absolute blast, Mike, and if there’s anything I can to, to help reach out and thank you guys for growing the game, this stuff is just gold to me. And hopefully, someone can get maybe something small out of my story tonight, but, I appreciate the opportunity tonight.

Mike Klinzing: [01:26:46] Well, it’s been a lot of fun and I appreciate the kind words. We’re definitely trying to do the best we can to bring on great guests like yourself and people who have done amazing things in the game of basketball and people who care about the game and want to see [01:27:00] it get better. People who care about the kids, their coaching.

And to me, that’s really what our mission is all about here on the Hoop Heads Pod is just being able to give people a platform who care about the game and are trying to do good things. And we appreciate you taking the time out of your schedule and away from your family, even though your kids are sleeping and it’s still nice of you to take the time and join us.

So to everyone out there, we appreciate you listening to us and we will catch you on our next episode. Thanks.