CHRIS HOLTMANN – OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY MEN’S BASKETBALL HEAD COACH – EPISODE 543

Chris Holtmann

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Chris Holtmann is beginning his fifth season as the Men’s Basketball Head Coach for the Ohio State Buckeyes in 2021-22. Holtmann is just the second Ohio State coach to win 20 or more games in each of his first four seasons in Columbus. Holtmann’s 87 combined wins in his first four years as an Ohio State coach are the third most behind Thad Matta’s 105 victories and Fred Taylor’s 89 in Ohio State history.

In three seasons at Butler, Holtmann compiled a record of 70-31 as a member of the BIG EAST conference. In 10 years as a head coach, which includes three years at Gardner-Webb (44-54) and four in Columbus (87-43), his career record is 201-128. His teams have won at least 20 games in each of the last eight seasons.

Before becoming the head coach at Gardner-Webb, Holtmann served two seasons as an assistant coach at Ohio University under former Ohio State assistant coach John Groce, and spent five seasons, including four as associate head coach, on the staff at Gardner-Webb.

Holtmann was an NAIA All-American guard at Taylor University, helping guide the Trojans to a 25-9 record, a No. 1 national ranking and a berth in the NAIA National Tournament in 1993-94. After his playing days, Holtmann spent the 1997-98 season as a graduate assistant at Taylor and the 1998-99 season as an assistant at Geneva College before returning to Taylor as an assistant coach under Paul Patterson from 1999-2003.

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What We Discuss with Chris Holtmann

  • The influence of his college coach at Taylor University, Paul Patterson, led him into the coaching profession
  • Getting his degree in Psychology
  • Why he chose college coaching over teaching and coaching high school
  • What he loved about coaching when he first started was the team building, the competition, and the impact he could have on players
  • “You can’t skip steps in this profession.”
  • “Focus on the bricks, not the wall.”
  • “You sleep a lot less as a head coach.”
  • As a head coach you have to look at the big picture
  • How he developed his coaching philosophy
  • Handling student-athlete academics and parents as a head coach
  • Educating players around social media and how to limit their consumption
  • “There’s a relationship component that’s important now that maybe wasn’t 15 to 20, 30 years ago.”
  • “We’re trying as a staff to build a relationship with our players because that’s what we’re called to do. We’re called to support them, to love them, coach them hard and to build a relationship with them.”
  • “Our best players typically have been our best kids.”
  • “There’s a talent level required. There’s a character piece. And then we’re looking for tough, competitive people.”
  • Helping players develop skills they may need to play at the next level
  • “Guys that have embraced this idea of getting better, have really gotten better.”
  • “There’s a willingness to sacrifice that’s required. I think what we try to do is make them understand that and the power of what winning can do for them individually, being a part of a winning team. And also honestly, you try to show them examples of people at the highest level who have made sacrifices.”
  • On being a great teammate – “If the best players in the world are doing it, you can do it as well.”
  • The impact of NIL that he’s seen so far
  • “Now that we’ve established a level of competitiveness, we need to keep growing and getting to and keeping a level of competitiveness, so there’s not dips in our program. And then taking that next step requires really being on top of roster management and roster maintenance and always kind of coaching for next year.”
  • “While the stress is significant, the demands are high. In my more sane moments, which are probably few and far between during the season I do have a smile on my face about how fortunate I am and how much I enjoy this.”

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TRANSCRIPT FOR CHRIS HOLTMANN – OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY MEN’S BASKETBALL HEAD COACH – EPISODE 543

[00:00:00] Mike Klinzing: Hello and welcome to the Hoop Heads Podcast. It’s Mike Klinzing here this morning without my co-host Jason Sunkle, but I am pleased to be joined by Chris Holtmann the head coach of the Ohio State Buckeyes, Chris, welcome to the Hoop Heads Pod.

[00:00:11] Chris Holtmann: Yeah. Good to be with you, Mike. Good to be with you.

[00:00:14] Mike Klinzing: Excited to have you on.  I want to get a chance to talk to you about all the great things that you’ve been able to do in your coaching career. Want to start by asking you just to think back in time to when you were a little bit younger and you were considering, what am I going to do with my life? When did coaching come on your radar?

[00:00:30] Chris Holtmann: I think like a lot of guys who went into coaching or whatever profession they’ve chosen. You have somebody in your life that’s instrumental in you developing an interest in that. And I always loved basketball. I grew up loving basketball. I grew up in Lexington, Kentucky basketball, crazy area, basketball, crazy state, but Coaching really got into my blood.

As I got into, [00:01:00] college and particularly as I played for my college coach who just passed away Paul Patterson at Taylor university, he was just so instrumental in me and I was a little bit burnt out after playing. So I got away from it for a year. And then after that year, I knew right away what I wanted to do.

[00:01:21] Mike Klinzing: Long-term did you think while you were playing, were you more focused on being a player? Did you always know in the back of your mind that coaching was something that you wanted to do? Did you see yourself doing something outside of basketball?

[00:01:35] Chris Holtmann: Yeah, I got Urban did as well. I got a degree in Psychology.

So I thought eventually that’s what I would do you, some type of either teaching or therapy or something along those lines. And I remember having conversations with Urban about that too. How we’ve used that degree in coaching. I think I wasn’t really sure [00:02:00] that coaching was going to be my path really until after I got away from the game and realized how much I missed it.

[00:02:06] Mike Klinzing: Yeah, That makes a ton of sense. I think, you know, you play and you’re, you’re so focused on being a player and then it becomes, all right, what am I going to do? And you step away from it and you realize. Hey, what this basketball has been a part of my life for so long. And now suddenly it’s not going to be with that psychology degree.

And your thought of teaching. Was there ever, did you ever consider going the high school teacher coach route or was it always college? Just how did you make the decision to get into college coaching as opposed to maybe going and becoming a teacher in high school?

[00:02:37] Chris Holtmann: Yeah, I think I could have went that route easily.

And perhaps if I’d have went and gotten a secondary ed degree in college, that might’ve been the path I chose and decided to go that that might’ve been the direction I went, as you know, there’s a lot of tremendous high school coaches. And guys that have just had the higher the [00:03:00] level doesn’t necessarily mean the better the coach, as we all know.

And there’s a lot of tremendous high school coaches who’ve really committed their lives to this. One of the things that we do is, you know, we have maybe more time to do it here because we’re not teaching, but we are recruiting and that takes up a large amount of our time. So I did think about that.

I actually thought about it well into, even when I started being a graduate assistant, I thought about going back and getting my secondary ed and being a teacher and a coach.

[00:03:31] Mike Klinzing: What did you like about coaching right from the very beginning. What about it grabbed you and said, oh, this is what I want to do for the rest of my life.

Obviously the basketball piece been so important to you and your love of the game, but coaching in and of itself. What aspect of coaching did you take to right away?

[00:03:46] Chris Holtmann: I’ll tell you, Mike, I think the team building aspect, or the fact that it’s a team game and you’re doing it together and you’re leaning on each other and the strength of the group [00:04:00] all of those things.

And then I think I think that was probably number one. And then I just loved the competitive part of, of basketball, the sports in general, but a bit of  basketball. I love the competitive part of it. There’s a lot of other things that I liked. And if probably my greatest motivation for going into coaches was coaching was I saw that I could do something I love that could have a real positive impact on players.

If it was done in a responsible way. And I think because of that that, that was ultimately my reason for doing it, but it’s all of, it’s the competitiveness, the team building. It’s all of it.

[00:04:41] Mike Klinzing: When you think about your time at your various stops as an assistant coach, and then you look back on that time since you’ve become a head coach, what are some things that you’ve learned as an assistant that now as a head coach, You feel I’ve really benefited you from [00:05:00] that standpoint of the amount of learning that went on when you were a new young coach that you’ve taken with you throughout your career.

[00:05:08] Chris Holtmann: One of the things that you can’t do in this profession and be successful is skip steps and I think every step you take as a coach, you have to embrace that for what it is and embrace that it’s building you, if you do it well. And if you lose yourself in that particular job for me, my first one was, I was washing the jerseys of guys that played after me at my university and I knew their Jersey and I knew them and they weren’t as good a player as I was. In some cases really in most cases, no offense to them, but it just, there was a a willingness to kinda my college coach, when you start in the profession, you got to kind of suck scammer.

It’s a little bit, you know, it’s a little bit like you got to do the work, but you can’t skip steps. There is a, there is a process to all.[00:06:00] And building of your career and what do you take from each one of those steps? And if you do that, then hopefully it’ll prepare you for what is ultimately your goal, which in a lot of cases is to become a head coach at whatever level.

But if you skip steps, if you jump if you think about the end before you know, we talk to our team all the time about focus on the bricks, not the wall. If you do focus on the brick shin, it prepares you for what, what can ultimately,

[00:06:28] Mike Klinzing: So when you got that first head coaching job at Gardner-Webb, what was the biggest adjustment, surprise, something that maybe you didn’t realize about being a head coach that was different. Obviously there’s a lot different from being an assistant, to being a head coach and your name’s on the record and your name plates on the door, above the office and all those things that go along with that. But what’s what was different for you that maybe you didn’t expect as a head coach coming from the assistant ranks?

[00:06:55] Chris Holtmann: Well, number one, coaches will tell you sleep a lot less. You [00:07:00] sleep a lot less because whatever goes down. It’s your name as the head coach and ultimately you’re responsible, even if you didn’t contribute to something happening. It is your responsibility. Coaches get far too much credit. They get, in some cases they certainly get too much blame as well.

Head coaches that is, it’s just a part of it. And you realize right away that that’s, there’s, there’s a huge responsibility with that. So you just get far less sleep. I think, you know, early on, I had to realize that as a coach, you’re looking at the big picture, as an assistant. You really have a specific area that you’re focused in on, but you don’t see things as the big picture.

You don’t see you just kind of see your specific words. Whatever that is.

[00:07:52] Mike Klinzing: When did you feel like you had a handle on what your coaching philosophy was going to be as [00:08:00] a head coach? Is that something that you walked in the door on the first day and felt like because of your experience as an assistant and the guys that you had worked for before and your playing experience, that you had a pretty good handle on the way that you wanted your teams to play, obviously depending on personnel and all those kinds of things, or was that something that you had to build into over the course of your head coaching?

[00:08:19] Chris Holtmann: Yeah. I think as much as anything that was that general core principles, foundational principles of how you want to play or shed in place and more formed by the people that I coached, played for, coached with or that I saw was successful. But I certainly didn’t have it figured by, you know, I figured out, you know, you’re always adapting and there were some, I mean, I got a technical one time for in my first year for six players on the floor. Imagine doing that nowadays, knock on wood. The media would be all over that hope. It was just a small division one school. So it was kind of no one knew, but it was a really embarrassing [00:09:00] moment. There’s a lot thrown at you when you become a head coach that it’s coming at you from all angles and even more so the higher the level.

But I think in terms of my core beliefs, in what I thought was going to be successful those were in place before and they’ve evolved since

[00:09:17] Mike Klinzing: What’s something you just mentioned, things are coming at you. Maybe people on the outside don’t understand what’s coming at us. So as the head coach at Ohio state, what’s something that comes at you pretty frequently that somebody who’s sitting on the outside may not understand that you have to deal with on a daily, weekly, monthly basis?

[00:09:36] Chris Holtmann: The academic performance of your team, how they’re doing this kid struggling in this clash and not always eligibility, but sometimes concerns about eligibility. These guys are not motivated to perform, and we’ve got great students here and great kids, but they’re kids. They don’t love going to class all the time and performing at a high level academically.

[00:10:00] You know, in our state right now, you have obviously a lot of, you know, is this guy going to get off in any state when you’re the state school, or are you going to offer this kid? When are you going to offer this kid? You know, why haven’t you offered this kid? Why’d you offer this kid over that kid?

And then the, just the general things where you have team parents who love their kids. We have unbelievable parents who are great parents, but parents who love their kids and, you know, well, how much is, you know, when you get into the season, it’s even more so, you know, my kid shouldn’t be playing this when that you don’t hear it as much as you do in high school, but it’s, it’s just all of those things thrown at you.

And you could have all of them in a morning between eight to 10 and 30, all of those things hit you at work. And it should body blow after body blow and you gotta be able to manage it. And then your trainer comes in on top of that and says, Hey, by the way you know, such and such tweaked his hamstring string yesterday, so he could be out for the next game.[00:11:00]

So you just have all those things that just gotta absorb, you gotta be able to roll with the punches. You gotta address it. Because we were big believers in accountability here, but you gotta be able to withstand a lot of that.

[00:11:15] Mike Klinzing: How has that parent slash family. Influence changed since the beginning of your career.

Is it more where parents are more involved because of the way that youth basketball and AAU basketball is set up. And so many parents and families are so invested and involved in their kid’s career. Do you see that as being more of an issue that you have to deal with now than you did when you started?

Or is it pretty similar to when you know, back when you first started coaching?

[00:11:45] Chris Holtmann: No, I think the advent of social media has given us an audience to fans from opposing teams [00:12:00] who want to take shots at you or your program, or even your players.

Sometimes your own fans, if they’re not happy. And even, I think, like I said, we have great parents, but I think that’s given kind of a voice, you know, you can do as simple as something as simple as hit a like button on social media today. And if that’s tracked and follow. You know, that can be a story.

So I think that has created, and I just think in general, you know, people have talked about, you know, I’ve had a few coaches talk to me about the challenges they face in the summer and just all they have to go through. And I was like, Hey, you know, I get it. That’s, you know, that’s, that’s our life.

And again, there’s, there’s a lot of parents who handled things really well, but we all know. Emotions can get the best of us when it comes to our own, our own children at times. So

[00:12:51] Mike Klinzing: You guys had the situation with EJ last spring with the NCAA tournament, and you mentioned social media, and I think it’s an issue that you [00:13:00] think back 15 or 20 years ago, none of us could have ever imagined that it would be something that you’d have to deal with and help your players to understand and navigate.

What do you guys do to help your kids to understand how they should use. When they should use it, what they should be looking at, what they should ignore. What’s just, how do you go about addressing just what you guys do with social media, with your policies and how you handle it?

[00:13:25] Chris Holtmann: Well, I, you know, you really just try to educate your kids.

You know, because gone are the days where you can coach an athlete, just as an athlete, you’ve got to coach him as the total person and that’s really our responsibility. You know, better people make better players and a lot of cases. So our player development here is, is, is as much about person and people development as, as it is anything.

And that’s, that’s really critical for us. So a component of that is social media. And how do you [00:14:00] handle social media? How do you not let it spiral you down into a difficult place? How do you Take time, take time off, limit your consumption. What are the negative effects of too much consumption of social media?

So we have a whole educational process that I, as the head coach take them through, because I think it’s that important. And because while it can be used effectively and responsibly, I think we’ve all learned that there are probably. As many or more negative things that can come from, from a too much social media use.

Absolutely. When you think

[00:14:37] Mike Klinzing: about what you’re building there at Ohio State and trying to put together your culture and build not just a great basketball team and, and basketball players, but also build young men who are going to go out into society and be productive. How do you build those kinds of relationships with your players?

What does that look like? Informal conversations day to [00:15:00] day, coming in on and off the practice floor. Do you have formal meetings with your guys? How do you handle building that type of relationship that you’re going to need to be able to get the best out of them as head coach?

[00:15:10] Chris Holtmann: Yeah, I think it’s a lot of intentional kind of one-on-one relationship building.

We’ll certainly have some times where we meet one-on-one in my office. What times, where I pull them after practice and sit down and talk to them for 15, 20 minutes. Occasionally we’ll go out and have a have a quick lunch. You know, I, I think that they understand this. I’m not there. I’m not their buddy.

I’m their coach. But there is a, there’s a relationship component that’s important now that maybe wasn’t 15 to 20, 30 years ago. And I think there there’s an important you know, the, that’s a very important component for me. I’ve always said that, you know, I’m not trying to build a [00:16:00] relationship with our players because I want them to perform at a higher level.

We’re trying as a staff to build a relationship with our players because that’s what we’re called to do. We’re called to support them, to love them, coach them hard and to build a relationship with them, and then whatever comes out of that comes out of that. If the by-product of that is that they perform at a higher level and then great.

But it’s really our responsibility as coaches.

[00:16:25] Mike Klinzing: When you start looking at the type of player that you want to bring into your program, through recruiting, which you mentioned earlier, you’re spending a lot of time on the recruiting trail, figuring out which guys you’re going to offer, which guys you want to bring into your program.

What are some of the keys? Obviously? There’s. Level of talent that they have to be able to have in order to play at Ohio state. But when you start thinking about the intangible things that you look for, whether they’re playing with their high school team or they’re playing with their AAU team, what are some things that you and your staff specifically look for that you think make a good fit for both the type of player and type [00:17:00] of person that you want to bring into Ohio State?

[00:17:03] Chris Holtmann: I think as much as anything, there’s a talent, no question. A talent requirement. Right. And, and obviously, you know that Mike, there’s a specific talent requirement that you, you know, you’ve gotta be able to play. We’ve been here four years. We’ve been ranked in the top 25 every year.

We’ve been ranked in the top 10, the last two years last year, as disappointing as our NCAA Tournament was, we were ranked seventh, seventh. The year before I think we were ranked 16th or 17th in the final AP Poll. So you’re talking about a program right now that that has consistently been top 20, 15, 20.

And I think there’s a talent level that’s required. I think the character piece is really important for us. We’ve got tremendous kids and the, the they’re not perfect for sure, but they’re tremendous people and our best players typically have been our best kids.[00:18:00]

And I think that’s what excites me. So you look at some of the guys we’ve recruited, whether it’s Kyle Young, Justin Ahrens, or Meechie Johnson and EJ Lidell Ladell Malaki Branham on down the road on down the line Zed Key, I can say so many. They’re just really high level high level kids.

And I think for us that’s that character piece is really, really important, but there’s a talent level required. There’s a character piece. And then we’re looking for tough competitive people.

[00:18:34] Mike Klinzing: How do you balance when you’re watching a player, what do you look for when you’re watching them play with their high school team versus when you’re watching him play with their AAU team, are you looking for something similar or something different? Is it easier to evaluate them in one environment or the other? Just talk a little bit about how you balance out looking at a player in those two different environments?

[00:18:58] Chris Holtmann: Well, both environments, both [00:19:00] settings are great. And we communicate probably equally with both coaches, both AAU and high school coaches. And there’s really good coaches and some really good AAU programs. I mean, really good coaches. And obviously, as I said, there’s some really good high school coaches. And I think for us, what we’re looking for is, we had a kid Kamar Baldwin who we recruited when we were at Butler ended up being, I think he’s the top three or four leading score in the history of the school, right there as a fringe NBA player, but had a phenomenal career.

He was all conference multiple times. And I remember watching him. He came off the bench. He played on an AAU team in Georgia, really, really talented AAU team. And he came off the bench and his energy whether he was starting or coming off the bench, never deviated, it never changed.

And I said, that’s a character thing with that kid that is a character thing. [00:20:00] And he’s somebody that we have to get. And I ended up being what we thought, which was a great player, talent combined. Character allowed him to be a great player.

[00:20:11] Mike Klinzing: Once you have the guys there on campus, let’s talk off season workouts and you’re trying to put together a plan to help each player improve their game over the summer. What does that look like from a planning standpoint from you and your staff? Obviously, you’re looking at, if you have a returning player, you’re looking at what they did last year and what you already know about them, a high school player, a new player coming into the program.

You’re looking at to April your evaluation, but just what’s your planning process for your off season workouts to make sure you’re maximizing the ability of those players to improve

[00:20:43] Chris Holtmann: Well specific to each player, as you could expect that we. You know what one young man may need? What EJ Liddell may need is not the same.

Maybe that you know, Eugene Brown or Jimmy Sotos may need it’s different. So we really [00:21:00] try to make it specific, you know, like for EJ this year, we were trying to continue to help him when, when we had him with growing in those areas that would help him at the next level. We were trying to spend a lot of time in the summer with that.

And I think it’s tailored…really specific. One of the things. I’ve said and I believe I’m a high, high level believer. And it right now is our player development program has been as good as any in the country. And it’s been really a credit to our guys. You look at a guy like Andre West, and he got better every year here because he really worked at it.

His shooting percentage went from, I think 26% as a sophomore to 42 or 43% as a senior on more shot attempts from three, his brother did the same thing, did a tremendous job. Those guys really worked at it. Duane Washington was 164th ranked player in the country coming out of high school. He’s with the Indiana Pacers signed a two way after three years in [00:22:00] college.

So guys that have embraced this idea of getting better, have really gotten better. And it’s been, it’s been really good.

[00:22:08] Mike Klinzing: So as you’re developing your individual players, and obviously guys who are coming to play at Ohio State have aspirations of playing in the NBA or playing overseas, and they have goals beyond just their college experience.

And yet you as the head coach, it’s your job to make sure that you’re putting everything together so that you not only have those players developing individually, as you mentioned, but you’re also trying to put together a team and win games and have comradery and have those guys get along and be great teammates.

So how do you go about making sure that the individual goals of your players don’t supersede the goals of your team?

[00:22:47] Chris Holtmann: Yeah, it’s a balance and it’s a consistent balance. It’s a consistent challenge is what I would say for every coach at this level. You know, there’s a lot of things that are going on right now for [00:23:00] college coaches.

You saw some tremendous coaches just retire because of…a lot of speculation, but maybe it was, you know, the influx of incredible amounts of transfers you know, just all that kind of stuff. So I think there are some, some new challenges that can be looked at as opportunities as well. If you, I think for us, that’s probably as great a challenge.

This idea of building a team centered around talented players who really have individual aspirations to play at the highest level. And yet at the same time, understand that they’re playing a team game. It’s not golf, it’s a team game and there’s a willingness to sacrifice that’s required.

I think what we try to do is make them understand that. And the power of, of what winning can do for them individually being a part of a winning team. And also honestly, you try to show them examples of people at the highest level who [00:24:00] live made sacrifices and who have found a way. You can see it on every championship team in the NBA. There is a thread of incredible unselfishness and what my college coach used to say, teamness and guys that have bought into the team as the greater good. And in some cases have had to make some sacrifices, but they benefited from it. So you try to hold those examples. That’s what I mean, LeBron has some phenomenal quotes about understanding a role and playing within a team and embracing that.

And while he’s been the best player in the world for a long time, I think you can look at LeBron and say, he’s also been a pretty phenomenal teammate in a lot of ways. So you try to hold up examples of what that looks like and that if the best players in the world are doing it, you can do it as well.

[00:24:56] Mike Klinzing: Absolutely. How has NIL affected what you do day-to-day with your guys, just [00:25:00] obviously at Ohio State, I’m sure they have opportunities that maybe players at the college level at lower levels don’t have. So how have you tried to navigate that yourself and help your players navigate that?

[00:25:11] Chris Holtmann: You know, nothing day-to-day I wouldn’t say it affects us day to day. We’ve just really tried to embrace it with open arms and be really open to it and try to be in a way as much as possible, a way to assist our guys. I don’t have a specific role in it, but we want them to know that as long as it’s not a distraction we want them to embrace this new world of college athletics.

We’ve seen guys really benefit from it already in these first few months, really benefit from it financially. And I love that for our kids.

[00:25:52] Mike Klinzing: Absolutely. All right. I want to ask you one final two-part question before we wrap up. When you think about what you get to do on a daily basis [00:26:00] at Ohio State, what is your biggest challenge when you look ahead over the next year or two. And then the second part of the question is when you wake up in the morning and you think about being the head coach at Ohio State, what’s your biggest joy. So your biggest challenge and your biggest joy.

[00:26:15] Chris Holtmann: I think the biggest challenge, in a job like this, is the consistent challenge of roster construction, and managing the roster at this level with all that’s going on, just with the constant change that you find in rosters and trying to maintain a level of consistency and competitiveness.

We’ve been here four years. We would have been a single seed three of the four years, one year was the pandemic. We were a two-seed last year, despite, as you know, getting upset and as disappointing as it was, we were picked 11th and eighth, our first two years in the Big 10 and won 2 NCAA tournament games.

And so [00:27:00] Now that we’ve established a level of competitiveness, Growing and getting to and keeping a level of competitiveness, so there’s not dips in our program. And then taking that next step requires really being on top of roster management and roster maintenance and always kind of coaching for next year.

I think there’s a lot of things that I feel blessed about in my life. And obviously we all have worked very hard to be here. Extremely hard, but you feel just really blessed to be where you’re at. And for me being here is a tremendous honor, tremendous blessing.

I love, our family loves Columbus. We love this place. We love this state. And the love, the basketball and the coaching and the level where our program is at right now. So while the stress is significant, the demands are high. In my more sane moments, which are probably few and far between during the season I do have a smile on my face about [00:28:00] how fortunate I am and how much I enjoy this.

[00:28:03] Mike Klinzing: Absolutely. Chris, I cannot thank you enough for taking the time out of your schedule today, before we get out. If you want to share just how people can follow you, your program, whether it’s social media, email, whatever you feel comfortable sharing, and then I’ll jump back in and wrap things up.

[00:28:17] Chris Holtmann: Yeah, you can feel free to follow me.

I don’t even know what my…you can follow me if you’d like, I have, you know, most of my information is about our program on Twitter and it’s @ChrisHoltmann it’s with two NS. Our basketball people do an unbelievable job on social media. I also have an Instagram page on that that you can connect to on my Twitter page.

Our basketball, social media team is phenomenal. They stepped it up really the last few years. So they’ll have some fun stuff about our program here as we get closer to the season.

[00:28:49] Mike Klinzing: Terrific. Again, Chris can’t thank you enough for taking the time to talk with us today. I really appreciate it. And to everyone out there, thanks for listening. And we will catch you on our next episode. Thanks!