Tim Debevec

Website – https://www.jacksonbasketball.com/

Email – tfd2jc@mail.jackson.sparcc.org

Twitter – @purplrngoldcrew

Tim Debevec is the Boys’ Basketball Varsity Head Coach at Jackson High School in Massilon, Ohio.  Debevec took over the Polar Bear program in 2011. Prior to that, Debevec spent 18 years as an assistant coach. at Rootstown, Tallmadge, Glen Oak & Jackson.  

Debevec helped lead Jackson to a Division 1 state championship in 2010 as an assistant to current Mount Union Head Coach Mike Fuline and then won another state title as the Head Coach in 2017.

In addition to their two state titles, since 2010, Jackson has appeared in seven district finals (winning three) and earned six Federal League titles making it one of the most well respected public school basketball programs in the state of Ohio.

Debevec grew up in Barberton, Ohio playing for Jack Greynolds, Sr. and went on to play one year of college basketball at Urbana and his final three seasons at Walsh University.

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Grab your notebook before you listen to this episode with Tim Debevec, Boys’ Varsity Basketball Coach at Jackson High School in Massillon, Ohio.

What We Discuss with Tim Debevec

  • Trying to keep up with his older brothers and the competitiveness he developed as a result.
  • How the support of his parents helped him on and off the court
  • Developing his game outdoors at the park during the mid to late 80’s
  • One court at the park vs. 4 or 5 courts at open and how that forced you to get better if you wanted to play
  • Attending games at Barberton as a kid and how that impacted him
  • The excitement of the crowds when he played in high school and why we don’t see that some level of crowd support today
  • How the game of basketball has given him everything in his life
  • His college playing experiences at Urbana and Walsh
  • Getting his start in coaching under Jack Greynolds, Jr. at Rootstown
  • Going to watch other teams practice as a young coach so he could learn from those coaches
  • The smaller coaching staffs of the past
  • Why he believes coaches should be assistants first, before they become head coaches
  • Why he always kept practice plans so he could look back and learn
  • How he prepared for coaching interviews, making sure he had prepared his vision for a year round program
  • Taking over a successful program at Jackson from Mike Fuline in 2011
  • Why being visible everywhere in your program is a key to success
  • Creating a good basketball experience for his players
  • Building a great relationship with his Booster Club
  • Why he eventually moved to less than a mile away from Jackson High School
  • Why and how he is so personally involved in his youth program
  • Building relationships with parents and kids in 2nd and third grade
  • How he tries to get more kids playing basketball in the community
  • Why he speaks at the 7th and 8th grade banquet every year
  • Having the support of your wife and family to spend the time it takes to be successful
  • How he engages his youth coaches and gets them supporting his program
  • Why player development is so important at a public school
  • The challenge of competing against private schools
  • Why he loves to press
  • Having an offensive and defensive coordinator
  • The coaches’ trips he takes his staff on every year to go watch college teams practice so they can get new ideas to bring to their program
  • Why you have to have fun coaching
  • Picking the right coaches for your staff and then hanging out with them off the court
  • Getting back to work after being off from the pandemic
  • Advice on developing practice planning process and involving your assistant coaches
  • Scheduling off season scrimmages against the best teams in the state
  • Running his practices like a college program
  • Why he wants to start and finish his regular season schedule with a tough game
  • Always trying to schedule the previous year’s state champion
  • Laying out for parents what the expectations are month by month with multiple meetings throughout the year
  • Why he always gives parents a hard copy in addition to electronic communication
  • Why he’s so open about giving his phone number out so people can call him directly
  • Calling parents about everything regarding their son, not just basketball
  • Why he takes it to heart when a kid gets cut and what he does to check in with those kids later
  • Giving kids structure in their lives through basketball
  • Why you have to keep changing and improving as a coach, you can’t keep doing the same things year after year
  • “It’s been always my philosophy make it a good experience. Every kid needs a good experience.”

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[00:00:00] Mike Klinzing: [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to the Hoop Heads Podcast. It’s Mike Klinzing here with my cohost Jason Sunkle. And tonight we are very pleased to welcome from Jackson High School here in the state of Ohio, Tim Debevec head boys’ varsity basketball coach Tim, Welcome to the Hoop Heads Pod.

Tim Debevec: [00:00:15] Hey, thanks for having me, Mike and Jason.

Mike Klinzing: [00:00:17] Absolutely. We are excited to have you on one of dig into all the great things that you’ve been able to do in the game of basketball. Want to start by going back in time to when you were a kid? Tell us a little bit about how you got into the game when you were younger.

Tim Debevec: [00:00:31] You know, obviously coming from a sports background, my dad, I mean, he played college baseball at Purdue and basketball in high school and football.

So I was fortunate also to have two older brothers, I played basketball. So it was always growing up competitive and just wanting to be better than my brothers. They really inspired me to play basketball and sports eventually down in [00:01:00] high school.

But when you’re you got people to look up two and my brother was awfully good and I had an older brother just a year ahead of me, so always wanted to outdo him, but it’s good that family time people forget about, but that goes back to my days, just starting with my family as that’s important for me.

Cause my dad and my mom was always there to support us in sports and especially in basketball.

Mike Klinzing: [00:01:24] So when you were a kid, obviously you and I are the same age. So you go back and you think about that particular era of basketball growing up, and it was a different era than what we have today.

So when you think about your first experience playing with your brothers on the driveway, When did you start to venture off the driveway and go and start to find, pick up games and places to play, or working on your game by yourself? What did that look like for you as you got a little bit older?

Tim Debevec: [00:01:49] Like you just mentioned there, wasn’t a lot of AAU basketball back in 88 when we graduated, I think it just started to come out really heavy and [00:02:00] in the early nineties, but we found everybody talks to old timers, always talking about playing at the park and playing at the Barberton parks all the time as a freshmen. And obviously it opened gyms with the high schools, but, every night living in was, I lived with my grandma in high school, me and my brother, and we just spent a lot of time at the parks. I mean, that’s what we did at night. obviously between homework and going to the park.

I mean, we jogged to the park, there’s six, seven parks in Barton, but this is the thing to do back there in the late eighties and Mid eighties. So, we were fortunate that tons of people hung out with the park and play it. I wouldn’t obviously trust my daughters or my son to go to the park.

Like you might get shot or something happened, but, no, that was good days. Looking back you played a lot of good people at the parks and, that’s where it starts. We play a lot against older kids and. Even growing up, I played early morning. My dad played every morning, Monday, Wednesday, Friday at Barberton ritual, six to [00:03:00] seven o’clock and then they shower and he’d go to work in the morning.

So I was fortunate to go, to go to morning, open gyms with some older guys, too. So there’s some opportunities for us growing up, but it’s kids do stuff that we have to organize now. And that’s kinda how it is now.

Mike Klinzing: [00:03:17] Yeah, absolutely. When you think back to that, And you think about your development as a player.

What do you think the, the playground system, I mean, it really, obviously wasn’t a system, but just growing up on the playground and playing pickup basketball, how do you think that impacted your development as a player? What do you think you got out of that, that maybe a kid today doesn’t get out of the system that we have in place?

Tim Debevec: [00:03:41] You know, obviously when you go to the park you wanted to get picked up. So if you weren’t good you picked up, so you have to work on your game. You stayed later. And there was times where he stayed till the lights go off at, at midnight or 11, o’clock just to get better. But, I had to drive that get picked [00:04:00] up now everybody gets picked it, open gym, we got four or five courts going.

Everybody’s going to get a chance to play. But back then one court man, you lose, you have to go to the next park to play. So, yeah, you just want to get good so you don’t lose and just had that desire just to keep getting better, to not to lose and, and try to prove something these older guys to pick you up at the parks.

Mike Klinzing: [00:04:23] So when you were coming up and getting towards your high school years, when did you start to take the game more seriously and start to put in, put in time, maybe by yourself working on your game and when you did that, What did that look like? Where did you go to figure out what you were going to do? Or how did you go about putting together what it was that you wanted to work on at any given time when you went out and worked on your game by yourself?

Tim Debevec: [00:04:49] Yeah. I was fortunate to play for a gentleman named Jack Greynolds senior at Barberton. You know, one of the greatest coaches of all time. His winning percentage was [00:05:00] over 80%. The magic’s won two state titles in 76, 77. I saw that growing up, but, I was fortunate I live by the high school with my grandma.

So I walked over to the high school at night. I knew the custodian I can get in there, shoot work on my game. you know, back then you wanted to play in front of a sellout crowd at Barberton. growing up as a seventh and eighth grader, it’d be standing room only you remember the names of Mark and Marty Bonding.

I played a Michigan in-car staff Woodhouse state. So it’s just like any adult, she looked up to them guys, and then you wanted to be that next guy. And, be like them maybe to clarify that sell out crowd worked hard. You do stuff on the side. You go down to the basement to grandma’s house or dads and moms and just to get better to maybe be that guy to play in front of a sellout to get to Columbus.

Mike Klinzing: [00:05:54] Did you go to games a lot when you were a kid, like in elementary school, were you going to games growing up?

Tim Debevec: [00:05:58] Yeah. You know, [00:06:00] I went to a lot of games, my older brother went to Copley, so I got to him play a lot of great games and I saw Barberton go to state in 76, 77 and 82. So I love going to the high school games. My dad took me to the state tournament game starting I think in 85 when I was a freshmen and I haven’t been, I probably go every year now down to Columbus, 40 plus times.

And, Just being around the game you wanted it. Everybody’s goal was always get to Columbus as a kid and this being done there, it was kind of a neat thing with, with my mom and dad or my brothers go down.  

Mike Klinzing: [00:06:38] Do you miss St. John arena?

Tim Debevec: [00:06:40] Oh man. It’s coming back in two years, so we’re good enough.

We can get down there one more time in my coaching career. That’d be neat, man. St. John’s is a special place. You watch them games growing up, down there and I know you’ve been down there to see st John’s, but we’ll see, it’ll be interesting bringing them back to st. [00:07:00] John’s. how it looks and, maybe they keep it there, but just seems I seen somebody games down there, Ohio state games, the Ohio high school state championship games.

So, you grow up with it and you go down there and you just use one that good. That’s your goal as a little kid you been around it I think aspirations of growing around a great coach, like coach pianos, Really wants you to get into coaching and playing the ball and maybe going to college.

Mike Klinzing: [00:07:27] Absolutely. So when you think about going into your high school career, what are some of your, give me one or two memories that stick out to you as a high school player, something that you remember that you’re going to carry with you for the rest of your life?

Tim Debevec: [00:07:40] You know, there are so many great times.

Obviously my brother graduated 87 to play with my brother for three years at Barberton. you know, we had a chance opportunity. Obviously I have to go to Columbus probably. Three years in a row. unfortunate, you know how it is, you have to get some breaks and get lucky a bad memory, but always remember, I might get on my brother all the time.

I mean, we [00:08:00] lost in 87 in double overtime in the regional and the game not to lose against McKinley in front of 5,000 people. And that was the last game. That Coach Greynolds obviously coached before he’s having a stroke my senior year, but that memory right there alone, play with my brother all them times and see my family at barbecues.

Every game home game was sold out in three years. the crowds the fans back then was crazy and it’s changed now. You know, I think the whole student section used to come. We used to get to 300 students at home games. And that’s not the case anymore.

I missed those types of days. You know, you go into the gym and you’re playing in front of sellouts. And that was exciting, you know?

Mike Klinzing: [00:08:42] do you think that can never come back? Do you think we can ever get that back? Or do you think because of the way that society has kind of moved with everybody just being entertained by their own device that they’re carrying around, there’s just so many more different things.

Do you think, do you think we’ll ever get back to that consistently where we can have that kind of school spirit and that [00:09:00] kind of community support? I mean maybe, maybe every once in a while you find a community that. Still has that, but I think you’re right. That it’s very few and far between and between anymore.

Do you think we can get back to that?

Tim Debevec: [00:09:12] And you asked me my coaches. I, every time I get, I get bent out of shape when we don’t have a lot of fans at the game, especially if you’re good or they should just come out anyway, just for something to do, keep them off the street, support each other programs.

God, I miss that, man. That’s just one thing that kind of burns me as a coach right now. Just everybody, not supporting each other’s. I mean, we support each other, but we’re coming to the games. You know, there’s so many things going on with, you’re talking about technology and, kids involved in different things, but I pray it comes back.

and like you said, that there’s good community support. You win and they’ll come out, but this is more than that. I think it’s just an atmosphere that you want to create. But, God, I afraid comes back at me. I don’t know how much longer I [00:10:00] got, but hope students come back out.

I think, I think he had to work on it now it’s not back in the day, was it? The kids came and had fun and, but you, you grew up, I mean, there was 200, 300 students there at the Giza. I was fortunate to be in a good atmosphere with Jack Reynolds, senior or junior coach in my first years at Tom, as we sell out the student section 150 students every game.

So it’s going to come back. I hope. I mean, Frey. I miss those days it’s exciting when we get there and kids are chanting and big crowds come in and kind of gives you the chills back when you played in high school.

Mike Klinzing: [00:10:38] It’s so much more fun to play and coach in an atmosphere where you have fans and in all honesty, like I don’t care whether it’s you’re at home and the fans are for you or whether you’re on the road and the fans are against you.

I think either way, it just adds to, it just adds to the excitement and the thrill of being a part of high school basketball. And I think [00:11:00] it in a lot of places, that’s missing sometimes you go to a game and you’re like, man, there’s no, there’s no atmosphere here. And it’s just as a player, as a coach.

That’s difficult. I think sometimes too, I would, I mean, I guess kids today probably don’t know any differently. Like if they went back and played in the environments that you were, I had a chance to. Play play in front of them playing that they probably would be like, Whoa, what’s this all about? So maybe it’s a case of, they don’t know what they’re missing, but man, I just think when you get an opportunity, whether it’s to play or to coach in front of a raucous crowd there’s, to me, there’s nothing like that.

Tim Debevec: [00:11:33] Yeah. It’s pretty special. Obviously I’ve been involved in a couple of state championships and a couple of good teams coaching and even playing, but it’s the people just as missing man. I don’t know. I just not, like you said, there’s nothing like it showing up at a Friday night sell out crowded in front of 2,400 people at Jackson and don’t get me wrong.

We’ve had some sell outs, but it’s been a long time since 2017, maybe, [00:12:00] that we’ve had standing room only that the fire marshal would have to come in, but, Oh, no. I mean, I’ve seen people understand, like if you’re good and they might, even when you’re good, sometimes like you’re talking this it’s not sold out.

Like it should be rival games. And I know your at Strongsville maybe it was, I don’t know maybe it was Medina or somewhere

Mike Klinzing: [00:12:18] Brunswick, Brecksville. Those are probably, those are probably our two biggest rivals when I was planning.

Tim Debevec: [00:12:23] So down here coaching you know, Lake and North Canton and McKinley  and we are at least pretty big and we get decent crowds, but like you’re saying that it’s nothing like selling out, standing room only, for the kids say you want the kids to enjoy that atmosphere.

This guy, he looked like, God, this just kind of stinks for the kids. But, like you said, I just hope it comes back. as far as coaching, teaching, at schools that does support your programs and, and fill the stands and we’re pretty fortunate in Jackson, our superintendent and our administration are pretty supportive.

Mike Klinzing: [00:12:58] Yeah,  that makes a big [00:13:00] difference. No question.  I think it’s really tough to be a successful coach in any sport. If you don’t have that support of your administration, you don’t have an administration that’s going to support you in the things that you need to do in order to build a quality program.

Tim Debevec: [00:13:13] Yeah. Yeah. You sit here and talk to you all day with sports, have done with me basketball at least, And I say this all the time. It’s gave me everything in my life. You know, my job, my college career, I would never got an education through college and, met my wife through sports or basketball.

And obviously my you look at my house, my three daughters and it’s all revolved around boys basketball in a way it comes back. I meet my wife through my best friend through high school. so it just kind of the circles around basketball for me at least, Everything I got in life.

Mike Klinzing: [00:13:48] Yeah, it’s that old saying?

Right? The ball magic in it. And it really does. I mean, it connects people in a way that I think somebody who’s not involved in it really can’t have a full, complete understanding of just [00:14:00] how important the game of basketball is to a guy. Like you are a guy like me who’s lived it you lived at your entire life.

Like I don’t, I don’t know anything. I don’t know anything different. I don’t know anything else. it’s just been such a huge part of part of who I am. You mentioned Get an opportunity to play college basketball. Talk a little bit about your college decision coming out of Barberton, and then what your college basketball experience was

Tim Debevec: [00:14:19] like you know, back then you played in maybe a couple of all-star games and you’re just praying maybe someone will see you that maybe get you a scholarship. I wasn’t really fortunate to, I had some looks division two schools, nothing high level, but a couple of schools saw me playing in an all star game and offered me scholarships. So I was thinking off the bat can I help my parents out and maybe get a full ride somewhere?

So when I first got my first ride for a full ride at Urbana University, which is no longer existing right now, they closed down this year. So my big thing, I was wanting to go play college ball. I thought it was be away about [00:15:00] two and a half hours, two hours close enough where my parents can come see me play.

But after that, I transferred to Walsh University to be a little closer to my family. just so my mom, dad, maybe because come to the games, my brothers and sisters. So, I had a good career it was probably, took me five years to get out, but, I enjoyed every minute of it.

I was fortunate to play with a lot of good players with a lot of good coaches at Walsh university. I still talked to, Coach Ronai’s, that coaches at Mount Vernon Nazarene. So, you build relations,

Mike Klinzing: [00:15:31] Jared. Jared is going to come on the podcast. We got him scheduled in the next couple of weeks.

So he’s going to come on. So I’m looking forward to that one too

Tim Debevec: [00:15:36]. He’s a good guy. You build relationships through, you never know what kind of he comes to your path. my college roommate was Jeff Young at Walsh university. So he’s the head coach. Now my college roommate’s the principal at Alliance high school, a lot of good relationships you still connect with. And, the travel aspect how it was at Kent State, you guys traveled all over and got a chance. I never [00:16:00] flew in my life until I went to Walsh university. So we didn’t grow up really flying everywhere like my kids do now.

And we fly all over the place with my daughters and my wife. So that was my first aspect of when I was 22 years old at Walsh University, we mentioned the national championship. To fly out to Boise, Idaho. So, in that alone going to Florida trips with the college and travel and just that connect, I still connect.

They connected with a lot of the guys at Walsh university when I played there for three years. So you know, this, the travel and coach Lloyd Fritters, the, I mean, I had three coaches at Walsh, so you learn something new from each coach. You pick up, maybe steal a couple of ideas. and like I said, I go back to I get through college because of maybe college hoops and I ran track at Walsh university two of my first couple of years, just to, piece something together with the scholarships.

So, we had a  good run at Walsh. I mean, 29 and five we beat St. [00:17:00] Bonaventure a division one school. And, just to find. I don’t know, smaller school for me, it was NAIA at the time. It’s division two now. So, just to continue, my buddies just come down there. I was about 35 minutes, 40 minutes from home.

A lot of my buddies came down from high school just to see me play, which was cool and family. So, it was fun times I mean, like I said, it got me through and then kind of inspired me to be a coach and starting back with coach girls at Barberton and kind of carried over and in college just to be.

Move forward in my coaching career.

Mike Klinzing: [00:17:34] Was coaching always on the radar or was it something that as you started to see your playing career winding up, that you said, Hey, I really want to stay involved in the game and let me figure out a way to be a coach, or was it something that you kind of always had in the back of your mind growing up?

Tim Debevec: [00:17:48] You know, this, when I went to Barberton and I kinda saw coach Greynolds  how he had coached and acted and just. Kind of absorbed and sponged everything he was doing. And then [00:18:00] from there probably started like, am I want to coach going to teach in. And that’s where it kind of started. And then I built really good relationships with some of the coaches at Walsh.

And then when Steve Lloyd took over, before he passed away, we had a good relationship about, he kind of met and relayed this was going to happen. You know, if you want to be a coach, I’ll help you out. Or they expect just cause he coached at the high school level too before with the college.

So. just always wanting to help kids out and going to coach. And so it’s a journey you know how it is. I mean, I’ll tell you here in a second, how many places I’ve stopped and I got into coaching, but, it might be two-hour segment, but it was good. It was a good start for me at Walsh, just getting in, get a feel for what coaches are.

Cause I had three coaches in college at Walsh and then one at Urbana.

Mike Klinzing: [00:18:50] Yeah. I think that’s one of the things that’s interesting is. When you get an opportunity to play for multiple coaches, and then you become a coach. I think you have a wider breadth and understanding [00:19:00] of some of the things that you know, that there’s different ways to go about doing things.

I think about my own experience and I played for one high school coach, one college coach. And so then when I became a coach, my first job out of school, I was coaching the JV team in Bay village. And I did that for two years and I look back on my time there. And basically I just did, the only thing I knew was.

The two coaches that I had played for. So everything we did was based on that. And I wasn’t, for whatever reason at that point, I came out of my playing career and I look back on it now. And like, I wasn’t really, at that point, interested in going to coaching clinics or I wasn’t studying the game was kind of like, no, I was a good player.

So I must be a good coach. And I think about that now and think about how bad I probably was. As a coach those first two years. Cause I just, I just never, I only had experience with two coaches and I never really went out and tried to seek any other experiences. And so therefore I just based everything I did off what I had experienced as a player.

And I wish looking back retrospectively, I really wish that I [00:20:00] had taken the time and really. Dedicated myself more to becoming a better coach early on, because I think I would have been, I think I would have been a lot better for the kids. you know, and I think I probably would have enjoyed it more.

Had I not had I gone and done something more than what I had just learned from the coaches that I had. Had you ever thought about. Coach at the college level. Did that ever cross your mind as you were getting done or were you, did you always have in your mind that high school coaching and teaching was kind of where

Tim Debevec: [00:20:28] I think I kind of wanted to be in, in high school.

never had a huge admiration of maybe going to college, but it comes back to this day. I remember being at the park where I grew up in Barberton and see a coach Greynolds, his son, Jack Greynolds, jr. Which has been, he was pretty successful at Rootstown and Tallmadge. Oh, you went to Columbus, but I remember the day when he said Hey, I got an opening at Rootstown when I was 22, 23 years old.

Hey, would you like to come and be the JV coach? So. just staying [00:21:00] connected with coach Greynolds, his, son junior, got my start at, at Rootstown and kind of painting the picture of, listen, you better go watch some different practices if you want to study the game. So we used to always go out and watch practices.

We’d go watch Stow practice because Thomas was pretty close to Stowe and Coach Close does some nice things and he would take me to Ken State practice. I remember watching you at Kent state when I was at Tallmadge. and in other place we went to Kent State. We were fortunate that we’re surrounded by a lot of colleges.

We’d go down to Walsh university and we try to pick the coaches that you probably you think about, Hey, they’re successful, why are they’re successful. And Jack jr said, let’s go watch his practices and see what they do and kind of steal some ideas the good ones steal and then kind of incorporate the.

Yourself. And, so he’s have to just set that stone that he kind of had this, you better do this. If not, you’re not going to be successful. So you’ve have to give him a lot of credit of helping [00:22:00] me out early in my career, being a JV coach at Rootstown. And I remember Jack getting thrown out and I have to take over varsity, early age of 23.

So imagine that, him getting thrown out of a game, but, that was good times I can from Russ, John and what the time is with Jack and we had success. We were one game for losing the regional finals back in 2001 with Maddix and that group. So, Harris second one once we get into it, I, I obviously I went some other places after that, too.

Mike Klinzing: [00:22:32] What do you remember about that first experience as a JV coach at Rootstown and as far as getting up in front of your team for the first time and trying to make it work, and just, what do you remember about being what was difficult about it? What do you think you were pretty good at, right from the get-go what do you think you were like, Oh, you look back and you say, man, I really wasn’t very good at that piece of it.

Tim Debevec: [00:22:52] Yeah. You know, I was, I don’t know. I think I was all right when I was in the locker room with him, but. But our one-on-one you never know [00:23:00] is like you’re 23 years old, back then, I mean, you appreciate just now we got like 20 coaches on our bench back then it was the varsity coach that got a stipend and the JV coach back at a small school.

So there’s two of us. So there was no looking around like go in there and talk to us. Cause you know, Jack was going to help me a little bit, but he wasn’t going to be in the locker with me. So I kinda got thrown in a fire with Jack cause He’s like, Hey, you go in there and talk to them. And  I listened to him and his old man and he’d been through with college, but you know, it was you kind of get better as the year off.

That’s why I was a JV coach and then three years JV coach it at Thomas. And I eventually just became assistant coach at a couple of places, but that helped me maybe talk in front of the kids early, get comfortable. And I think that was, that was a big part of this though, this kind of having your own team.

I think it’s great to have your own team. I mean, I’ve been assistant coach for 15 years, 10, 12 years. And it’s different when you got your own team as a JV [00:24:00] level and that’s the down coaches, they think they just go straight from the top. Like, I wasn’t that guy that was like, Hey, well I’m 23.

Why should be, Hey coach somewhere. All right. I wanted to learn from Jack. You know, you want to get better every year. I’m not going to jump from I always tell guys, start at eighth grade, you start coaching at eighth grade and move up. Then I think you experienced that whole thing. You appreciate it more.

Mike Klinzing: [00:24:23] Yeah, I think there’s no doubt. That’s one of the things that when I got my first job after I coached the JVs for two years, I thought that was really valuable. And then went and became a varsity assistant. I was a varsity assistant for, at 11, 12, 13 years. I can’t remember now how many years it was, but we had kind of the same staff and.

There was one year where our JV coach left and he went and got a head job. And so I kind of took over, I was still helping out with the varsity, but then I was also the JV coach. And so I hadn’t really run my own team for like probably 10 years at that point. And so it was a big adjustment to go back from just being, sitting on the [00:25:00] bench and maybe making some substitutions or giving suggestions to all the sudden.

Now I’m the person up there. I got to figure out when to call time out. I got to figure out who’s going in the game. I got to figure out what we’re running. I got to diagram things in timeouts. I got to do all that stuff. And so I think it’s very easy that if you’re an assistant coach, there’s a big, big adjustment to going from that one seat over on the bench where now you have to make all those decisions.

I always felt like that. One year that I coached JV after not having been in charge of my own team for 10 years or so. That was a, that was a challenge for me. There was no doubt because I just didn’t have those game management skills because I just hadn’t gotten the reps

Tim Debevec: [00:25:39] Yeah. I agree with you, you step over 18 inches, man, your heart rate goes up, you worry about and think about different things.

All of a sudden it’s easier to sit and be an assistant coach, being assistant for Jack and then I’ve coached for a lot of different guys. You know, I ended up not getting a job at Tallmadge [00:26:00] when he left to go to Buchtel, but I ended up going to Green. I coached under Kinsley for a year.

I was fortunate Kinsley did his way different good, different. And then I got the chance to coach at North Canton’s Randy Montgomery that’s won 600 games. so to see different styles for me, it was good. Jack Greynolds. And then obviously you built that relationship.

I was talking about in the beginning with I got to know Mike through green and playing a suburban league at Thomas. So Mike hired me at Jackson. So, I coached at Glen Oak once again, another school with Jack when he took that job with CJ McCollum. It. And Glen Oak for two years.

So I was at different, some different head coaches. It was kinda good. You learned some stuff and then you kind of incorporate in your own opinion or your own, your own style of basketball or coaching. So, that path was pretty good for me. I turned down some head coaching jobs I guess it’s meant to be, or the cliche that, how things work out you always [00:27:00] talk to these college coaches that come in like.

What kind of path did you do? You know, it’s kind of interesting where guys have been connected and yes. Who sometimes and getting the right program. So I was very fortunate in that aspect of getting to know coach Fuline and Greynolds to help me and Kinsley and Montgomery.

Mike Klinzing: [00:27:17] So while you were working at all these different places under all these different coaches, You clearly had it in the back of your mind at some point that you wanted to become a head coach, I’m guessing.

So what did you do to sort of prepare yourself for the day when you would be able to take over your own program where you. Taking notes, writing things down where you just kind of catalog and get mentally just, what was your process for making sure that you were able to soak in all the lessons that you were learning from the guys that you had an opportunity to work for so that when it was time for you to take over a program, you could draw on the knowledge that you had gained over those years?

Tim Debevec: [00:27:56] I look back, or like practice [00:28:00] plan. That was a big I am going to keep these practice plans every year. Stay-put. You know, go back and say, Hey what do we do in practice game situations? and starting out now, I started to calculate some stuff.

Like when I go get an interview for a head coaching job, what’s important. You know, obviously the youth program that they’re big on now and, and, your philosophies and all that. But I used to always this practice, I was always keep practice plans and just go afterwards after practice what can we use?

I circle stuff, highlight stuff. So just to get ready I wanna be ready when I I applied for a couple of jobs, which I did and opportunity come on, hopefully I’m ready. I was in a good situation with Mike and, I knew down the road, I knew he was going to maybe move on and make an opportunity to coach.

He got lucky getting sometimes you get lucky and I say that to people and just be in the right place at the right time. For me at Jackson was, was a perfect situation. obviously. Larry. I always tell people, Larry Taylor started at Jackson [00:29:00] that took him to Columbus two years, and then Mike won a state championship in 2010.

So, this has been very fortunate and blessed that I took over the program. Was there pressure. Yeah. but like you said, this, the journey of being a system coach all these years maybe paid off or being around different guys and it wasn’t easy. I can tell you that. And, No, the pressure listen, you’re following Larry Taylor has won 400 games and Mike Fuline just went to the state championship.

So things ain’t easy, but opportunities there. I think it was just good for me and my family and the timing of my coaching career.

Mike Klinzing: [00:29:37] All right. So before we jump into all the success that you’ve been able to have at Jackson and kind of how you’ve done that and continued the tradition that was there before.

Let’s talk a little bit about the interviewing process. Cause you mentioned a couple of times that you went on some different interviews. So for coaches out there who maybe are assistant coaches right now that are looking for their first opportunity to become a varsity head coach, what advice would you have for them [00:30:00] going into and preparing for.

An interview to be a head varsity basketball coach. What are some things that they should be thinking about heading into an interview?

Tim Debevec: [00:30:10] You know just being around other coaches and seeing what maybe some have in there, I always ask for their, their resumes to what, what did they do when they go into interviews?

What do they take? I remember spending $250 on a one interview of just. It’s tons of stuff. I was on run a program, sharing with the youth to open gyms, the off season stuff to season practices, the practice plans, the you name it, everything they pertain to basketball the whole, my philosophy, my coaching, what we’re going to do all year long, it’s going to be a 12 month process.

And every month I broke down what we were doing each month, I think that’s important that they want to hear that you’re invested you care. You know how you go about building this program and keeping them [00:31:00] on top. And, we’ll go into this interview when I interviewed some of these places you already have some people, two or three people we interview, there’s been places where 10 people weren’t interview, I’ll never forget to this day I wear a suit and it was a two hour interview with Jackson and Holy crap it’s, it’s real I’m in there for two hours interview in suit and tie.

There’s the president of the booster club, superintendent’s sister, superintendent, athletic director of the high school athletic director, the middle school, board members. I mean, it was, it was an eye opener but you have to be ready to come in there and perform, and stuff that was, I walked out of the interview was like, Wow, that just happened to our interview.

You’ve got to be ready for, there’s times where you go in there for a half hour interviewThey gave him the job. there’s times where I’ve been in interviews for 40 minutes, and this is kind of a token interview, but it was good for me just to interview, knowing, going into it, like there’s how it was back in the day when there’s 40 applicants, you’re just lucky to maybe get an interview.

[00:32:00] Yup. And, so I was fortunate. I interviewed several places and it didn’t work out. but I was prepared. I mean,  I can’t go back. You know, I always spent interpretating a hundred and $200 on the interview process, and then you just hope it pays off and you got prepare. I mean, you have to have that stuff.

If not, then at the end of the day you can say, I did my best. I went in there and told them what I was going to do. And, and I was prepared and. even though knowing you going into the interview, I knew going in one interview that the one guy going to get it, I didn’t care. I wanted to go in there and interview and just tell him what I was going to do for their program.

So, regardless what happens at the end of the day, if you feel like, Hey, lay down at night, you did your job and you gave it your all. I mean, that’s all you can ask for as a, as a, as a person going into an interview. So, and that’s all I thought about coach Grinnell’s gave me that advice and.

Some other people, you know? Yeah. You better be, you better be prepared because they go out, they were asking questions from, like I said [00:33:00] before, the big youth question to. How are you going to handle kids that get in trouble to how you’re hanging yourself in games, you’re going to get thrown out whatever that type of discipline.

Mike Klinzing: [00:33:13] Do you remember any goofy questions that somebody asked you that was kind of off the wall. Anything that sticks out,

Tim Debevec: [00:33:20] You know, there’s been some interesting ones, cause you know, you go in there and some of the people on the interview process probably shouldn’t be in there.

Yeah. Like you go in there like a coach, how’s your curriculum going to be in your classroom compared to your coach. And I’m like, what this you thinking of? You’re interviewing for a basketball job and they’re actually, it’s like how y’all handle your students. Like, all right. You know, this curriculum director, probably hasn’t seen a basketball game in 20 years at the school that you interview for, but they’re in the pre-interview for us is just to have another person in there.

So nothing really stands out. But this, you go in these there, you don’t know who you’re going to meet and he’s interview sometimes. I mean,  it’s amazing who sits [00:34:00] in the interviews, but. yeah, parents, we had parents sit in and a couple of years I’ve been in and players. So it’s been a wide variety of people there.

The biggest one that stands out, obviously when I interviewed for the Jackson job, there’s 12 people in there. So it was kind of a awkward thing, but I don’t know, I guess that was their process.

Mike Klinzing: [00:34:21]  All right. So let’s jump into what you’ve been able to do at Jackson. And let’s start here.

Obviously, the program has a tremendous amount of success, a great tradition of recent state title. how do you go about coming in with the idea that you want to take advantage of that tradition? And clearly there’s a lot of good things in place and yet. I’m sure there are things that you, as the assistant coach that you looked at and you said, boy, I think we could really improve this.

Or here’s an area where I think we can get some gain or here’s an area where I think we can get better. So how did you go about sort of walking that [00:35:00] fine line between boy we’ve had a tremendous amount of success here and yet at the same time, wanting to. Do things the way that you believe was the best way to continue that success.

So how did you walk that line where you didn’t I guess look, look down at the past or say, Oh boy, we got to change this. And that still be able to kind of do the things that you believed in.

Tim Debevec: [00:35:24] You know, me and Mike had similar philosophies and I mentioned we used to go watch Jackson play with Larry Taylor coach there because they had the Bosley and they had a great team and, and Larry did a great job getting the youth program started.

And I think Mike took it to the next level. got the board, you have to travel stuff gone. just kind of soaking all that stuff in and truth be told, I didn’t want the program to slip man. I was it. I’m a born worry wart. I don’t know where I get it, probably from my mom, but I worried every night, [00:36:00] man I had a heart attack my second year of being head coach here.

And that was the big thing on the back of my mind. I wouldn’t be visible. I think you have to be visible everywhere. I went to so many youth travel games. I spoke a lot of Quan is the Jackson rotary to, I just wanted to be visible. I went to every football game. Every volleyball game and the big thing is build relationship with the parents and getting involved.

And we kind of took over like doing all the travel tryouts. So the whole varsity staff, we spent two or three days doing that. And, I said, my birthday is one that keep the program going. I don’t want to be that coach. And I, I don’t know if this sounds bad, but Debevec ruined the program after Mike left in there and that happens and I shouldn’t feel that way, but that was on the back of my mind.

Like, God, dang, I better move better when and the pressure to win. I want to try to just be myself, but I wanted to [00:37:00] create some atmosphere and do some different things too. You know, like every coach wants to create your own. I wanted to press more. I wanted to travel and our kids would play the toughest schedule.

And during the summer we’re going to make sure we traveled to every team camp we could possibly travel to. And, I think I got my first two years getting buy in too deep where I finally had to have a better balance to say, like I was his basketball first and family was probably a distance second or third.

And that wasn’t good. So until I got to that balance, I think I’ve finally gotten to a better place of, of coaching and teaching and being with my family and things started to work out a little better because you want to win, you want the kids to have a good experience. And that was always a worry about as a, kid’s going to have a good experience.

We started to fly to Florida and do trips like that. And I just tried to do some different things to maybe keep the program on top. And [00:38:00] in the back of my mind is like, gosh, we have a chance. You know, you always want to change it. You know how it is you coach you. We had a chat. I always say we have chance.

We had about six chances to get to Columbus since I’ve been head coach. And you only get there one time as a head coach. I mean, make it to the regional couple of times of the year that I’m still mad about. I’ll be honest with 2014, we just went to Columbus, but things don’t work. Things work out for a reason.

and then everybody talked about this group we had in 2017 and the pressure of that, and. Yeah, there’s pressure. But I finally got to a better place that year. I, I didn’t enjoy until we got down to Columbus. We just had to get down there and soak it all in. So, I said it’s, I don’t know.

Mike Klinzing: [00:38:44] What do you think was the key to being able to maybe let go of some aspects of the program, which it sounds like when you first come in, you. You have your hand in everything you’re directly [00:39:00] supervising everything is what it sounds like to me. How did you go about, was it a matter of finding the right people that you trusted to take over some of the tasks that allowed you to then sort of step back a little bit and kind of perform as.

The CEO, rather than the frontline worker on every single aspect of the program, or was it something else that you did that enabled you to, to step back just a little bit and yet be able to have the program continue to get better and improve and, and be at the level that you wanted it to be?

Tim Debevec: [00:39:33] You know, I think it started out with having our youth program cause we do everything kindergarten all the way through varsity everything’s corporated with one program it’s the Booster club supports every program from kindergarten through varsity.

So having that support group having a good presence helped me. I met with the president of our booster club probably once a week and I go over his house and how are we going to keep building this thing? And we had great presidents that [00:40:00] had vision of. I wanted to make sure that the president we’ve had great presidents, that kind of had visions that, Hey, we’re going to keep this thing moving, improving the program.

My big philosophy was I always go into our booster club meetings once a month. And I haven’t missed one since I’ve been at Jackson in, in 15 years, whatever 16 years. But I always told you guys the same, my program, this is everybody’s program in the community. And I emphasize like, listen, you guys speak up.

If we can better our program, let us know. And we had guys that really we we’ve been fortunate that guys have really helped out that kinda took it to the next level. Like we do some different things and have their input. And, our coaches go to the booster clubs meetings, and, it helps out living a mile from the high school.

And that was a huge thing. I never thought I’d live in a district where I teach and coach, but how much time we spent over there at the high school and the middle schools and elementary, you had to be close. And I wasn’t a firm believer of that first, but once I realized [00:41:00] how much time it’s going to be to keep it moving and, and, you get to that next level again, you had to be close to the high school.

Mike Klinzing: [00:41:07] All right. So what does the youth program look like in terms of your involvement? I know one of the things that I’ve always been a big proponent of, and I’ve talked to numerous coaches about this on the podcast. And I think it’s something that when I look around at successful public school programs, I see varsity coaches who are deeply involved with those youth players and those kids.

No who the varsity coaches, they know who the varsity players are. They want to someday grow up to play for that varsity coach put on that uniform. And I think that’s something that it’s not nearly as prevalent as it was back in the days when you and I were playing. I grew up from the time I was in second grade and moved to Strongsville and went to games with my dad.

I just knew that someday I wanted to put on a Mustang uniform and play for the high school. And I think in a lot of places that. Doesn’t necessarily [00:42:00] exist anymore. So what do you do as the varsity head coach? How do you build the program so that that’s what’s happening so that the kids want to be a part of the program?

And then how do you use the program to develop the skills and knowledge of the kids so that they’re prepared to eventually become a part of the varsity program?

Tim Debevec: [00:42:19] You know, my coaches think I’m crazy, but like in the summertime, when we have these two or three camps, So guys, our goal is to have 400 campers on weekend one week.

And that’s huge. You know, you have 400 kids in one week, we’re going to be all right. We get more kids, you get involved, the better the programs will be. So we started off with having this stuff and all day camp nine to three and just be invisible there. And we have another skills camp and then we’d have this huge make a big thing on a seller travel teams, only camping.

It starts there and the kids know me because I’m there every, every camp, our whole varsity staff picks the travel [00:43:00] programs. We got to third grade teams, three, four, three fifth, three sixth grade travel changed. So it’s just the hard part of, of maybe getting head coach for them travel programs.

My coaches, I used to do kindergarten sessions. I don’t probably do them the last two years. I haven’t them, but I show up at the kindergarten levels and. We want our varsity guys there working cam our varsity guys, work camps. We have a youth, I don’t know. we have like a youth, tournament here with, over a hundred teams now.

And our kids worked at camps. all our, all our coaches know all the youth kids, because we pick the travel teams will take three, four days and picking third grade travel, the fourth grade child of the fifth, sixth. And then obviously I work at the middle school, so I try to build them relationships with seventh and eighth grade.

I can go down every kid in the seventh, eighth grade, especially eighth graders, Igot twin daughters in eighth grade, but then boys were stay away from them. But no, no, they, no, I, I just, I just think it’s important, man, to know every, you look at these things [00:44:00] like I’ll show up on Sunday morning with some coffee and then watch three or four games in a row.

And people look at you like man coach got it. I think he does care about the program. I think that goes a long way with parents. Starting to know the parents, even in third, fourth, fifth travel, and then start building relationships early because you know, let’s face it. I mean it, every sports all year round right now, and that’s, what’s kind of killing our, our youth sports, I think because kidsthink they got to zone in on a sport in third or fourth grade.

That shouldn’t be the case. yes, you want to get everybody involved? I think kids should be playing two or three sports all the way through eighth grade. That’s just my opinion. There’s there’s parents that you know, that their kids playing soccer all year round baseball, you’re out there playing tennis all year round, but our philosophy was to get more people involved.

Maybe someone will grab a niche to the basketball, and we’ve had players that as an eighth grade, maybe not even play in eighth grade, all of a sudden [00:45:00] they’re their varsity kids. You know, I can tell you stories and stories of Jackson here. Where we keep 12 kids on eighth grade team, we got two eighth grade teams, two seventh grade teams of 12.

And all of a sudden, the 12 on one eighth grade teams as a junior, starting on varsity how’s that happened. I think it’s just being around and maybe supporting them kids and it’s kind of just encouraged them to stay with it. And I think that’s, it, it goes a long way being visible if I mean, if anything I learned from Mike and a couple of these coaches, it was be visible.

You know, why he around? Why where’s the head coach at, and that that’s cliche, I guess. I mean, the head coach should be at everything, but it’s tough. It’s not easy to be at everything. I can only be at one place at one time. I speak at the seventh, eighth grade banquet every year just trying to be there for them.

But, once again, it goes back to if you care and you’ll put the time in that’s, you have to put a lot of time. It takes a lot of time, man, to maybe get to that next level, maybe we get to Columbus. [00:46:00] Maybe win a state championship, win a federal league title a title for us.

So there’s a lot of hours. I mean, I think you have to be we you know how it is. I mean, coaches, you have  a family that support you a hundred percent. If not, sometimes it don’t work out. And, I’ve been fortunate as an aspect of my wife’s been good. Good about that, my three daughters.

Mike Klinzing: [00:46:27] I think that visibility piece that you talked about to me, that’s so critically important. I think when you combine the visibility of the head coach and being involved and knowing your kindergarteners, knowing your second graders, knowing your seventh graders all the way up through the top of your program, to me, there’s nothing more valuable than that, because again, it just points out to those younger kids that Hey, someday.

I’d like to play for that guy. And Hey, that guy cares enough about me to show up on a Saturday morning or show up on a Sunday morning. And I think to go along with that, When you [00:47:00] have your players involved in your youth program, when you have your high school players come down and give back and be a part of it.

To me, that’s something that’s tremendously valuable simply because I tell people all the time that one of the things that I look back on most fondly, most, most fondly as a young kid is when I was in Strongsville. And we played through our, whatever. At that point, it was just our rec basketball program.

But the coaches on Saturday morning were the high school players. And I still have guys that were my coaches. That I still consider those guys friends. I still see them. And same thing when I became a high school player and I coached young guys and there’s still people that I stay in contact with it.

I coach when I was a high school player and they were in elementary school and those bonds don’t go away. And the fact that. You’re building those between your varsity players and the kids that are younger, that are in your community. To me, that’s incredibly incredibly valuable. And I think that when people see that, and it’s not just the [00:48:00] kids, but the parents and your administration and fellow teachers and people that are part of your athletic department and boosters.

When they see that you’re willing to put in that kind of time. I think it just, again, it just sells yourself itself, the credibility of what you’re trying to do as a program. And when I think about going along with that, when you not only do you have the visibility piece, but when you have an or putting coaches in place for those younger levels for the travel teams, what are you doing to educate those coaches on what you’d like them to be teaching at those lower levels?

Are you doing a coaching clinic? Are you. Going down and showing up at a practice and maybe showing them, Hey, you should do this. How do you go about positively impacting those coaches who are part of a youth program at Jackson?

Tim Debevec: [00:48:46] You know, to start out with the youth, we go down and like you say, we have a clinic and then we go, we do some skill sessions with just the travel kids, but it’s so valuable that we just go over [00:49:00] some basic stuff with the youth coaches.

Well, we’ve been pretty fortunate. We’ve had some good youth coaches. the coach in our program is this hard people to talk about who are you going to get to coach them teams? And, and sorry, it is dads. Let’s face it. You know, every program is you can’t go out and hire 12 coaches at third, fourth business.

I can’t hire Coach K to coach, the sixth grade team. I tell people, but. It’s tough. It’s not easy to find good people to volunteer their time to coach them to you. But like you’re saying, you got to go down there and, and Hey, and this might sound simple, but we try to give them gear and, get them involved.

You know, the more time we give them a polo that says Jackson basketball or a golf shirt, we, we joke about it all the time. You know, let’s give them some nice Nike gear and make sure they’re there. They feel part of the program at that level, too. And, like you’re saying the big piece is just getting involved.

We’ve been pretty fortunate that the Kyle [00:50:00] Youngs of the world and Evan Bay, I can go down the list of a couple of division ones, players that we’ve had. Oh, they always give back and the kids see that. And, they look up to them kids. I know to this day, Kyle Young, I mean, this is last year. The all-state kids would go down there and we’re called young jerseys and it’s pretty cool.

But as the coaching staff, I mean, We meet all the time. Know I meet with people. My wife said, where are you going? I do more meetings just to make sure everybody’s on the same page. Like I meet with the middle school staff five times a year. And then the youth coaches and this, I think that’s important that this, those, some things out there you know?

Yeah, it is you type it up and this least you got a hard copy. This is what we want you to do with the seventh and eighth grade level. we’re going to do that next week. It starts next week already. So. We’ll meet with the seventh, eighth grade coaches. I know we’ve been known open gyms with them already, so we’re kind of putting things in place right now is it’s a crucial time, especially with the COVID and the, the weird stuff [00:51:00] going on in our world and schools.

We’ve been fortunate. We’ve been in school for eight weeks in person. So I was thinking is as big to be face to face with kids. We have a parent meeting here a couple of weeks, and once we pick our teams, October 30th, so. It’s right around the corner. And you know, it’s like a vicious cycle.

I tell people  it’s a process every year. You want to put seeds and, and things in place early. And it’s like, this is another year. It’s like you start with when we got, when we got our stuff off for travel and house leave for youth kids and middle school, open gyms. And obviously we’ve been gone since June 1st and.

It’s just the process. I mean, you have to keep grinding and keep getting better because they kind of challenged me to like, coach, what are you doing this year different? And that always helps me, grow as a coach to have people maybe pushing me and call me out on some things and goes, what are you doing for the youth program that [00:52:00] can be better this year.

And you got to have that support staff. I think the support staff so crucial at the. At our level, even, hiring good people. I mean, I got probably a couple of guys who’ve been head coaches and moved on and I got a guy named Jay, John Perdue has been here for 22 years and you need those guys, every program needs those guys I’ve had an eighth grade coach been here for 20 years, so we’ve been fortunate in that aspect too.

He’s I call him the lead liaison of our seventh grade and our eighth grade middle school program.

Mike Klinzing: [00:52:34] Yeah. To have guys that have been around that kind of know the lay of the land there, there sort of anchors in the community. I think there’s tremendous value in having those people, a part of your staff up and down, regardless of whether it’s at the varsity level or the lower levels, to be able to have those people that I think when there’s alignment from the varsity head coach on down, and everybody’s bought into the same.

Plan the same [00:53:00] idea, the same goal, the same mission to me, that’s where you can really start to have great things happen. It’s where you have an organization led by a head coach where people aren’t on the same page and people have different agendas. That’s where you can start to get into trouble. And I think that’s something that especially young and maybe inexperienced coaches you sometimes.

The fit is really important. And the buy-in from your staff is really important. I think that comes from the top and you kind of have to set a tone in order to make that happen. You

Tim Debevec: [00:53:31] know, I say this in a good way. I mean, let’s face it. We’re a pretty decent sized public school, but the kids want, I say this all the time, kids are walking our hallways.

We have to get better. We’re not getting kids from all over the place. Like some of these private schools, it is what it is. Hey, we mean you can sit here and bellyache about, Hey, we got to get through the Catholic schools. We got to get through the private schools to get to Columbus. And what’s it. Yes.

What, it’s not, it’s not changing. So guess what we have to do as, as coaches here at Jackson, we have to [00:54:00] find a way,how are we going to get these kids walking the hallways better to beat those teams. I mean, you look at back the years that we went to stay title, we had to go through Toledo st. John’s a good school that had. Major division one players to beat in Cleveland st as in the state semi-finals to beaten Moeller, a powerhouse. So, Hey, you have to figure it out. and it’s not going away. I don’t think so as a public school, you’re have up and downs and we understand that there’s going to be a wave of, Hey, we might be down for two years, but you know, something we don’t want to do that.

We want every year to be good. And every kid that has a special year. So that aspect of, like you’re saying about building programs, It’s so crucial because you don’t want to have a down year because I mean, it’s going to happen, but you’re not, you’re not going to get a Kyle Young and a  Mark.Henneger every year.

You know, we can’t recruit in. So we’ve been pretty blessed with, with some town and just last 10, 12 years. And even [00:55:00] before Mike got here before I got here Larry Taylor had Jamie Bosley played Ohio state and Akron. So I think this development. And the kids that walk the hallway, we got to get better, man.

That’s the bottom line.

Mike Klinzing: [00:55:14] So what do you do year in and year out when you come into a new year, obviously you have a philosophy of what you want to play, what you want to teach and how you want to teach it. How much do you tweak? What you do based on the personnel that you have in any given year. So in other words, what does your planning look like?

Obviously you’re working with your kids all summer in the workouts and going to team camps and playing in summer leagues. So you have a pretty good feel of what you have coming back and what your team’s going to look like. But what is the planning process look like for you going into a year? What are you thinking about when you’re trying to design your schemes?

What are you trying to think about when you’re putting together practice plans? Heading into the year. How different is that from year to year based on the kids that you [00:56:00] have that are going to be a part of your varsity team.

Tim Debevec: [00:56:02] Yeah. It’s so funny. You mentioned that you said we probably start with our depth chart from seven, eight, nine JV and varsity, and then you’re like, wait, what’s, what’s it going to look like what’s our top and we were drawing up these depth charts.

Every time we go out to dinner and sitting around and we got up on the boards, like. Now we got to just we’re always trying to change things up and you know, you’re going to run your typical stuff. I mean, I love growing up playing for coach Greynolds we pressed, I mean, that’s not going to go away.

I know some of our coaches, they coach, why are we for us summit? You know why we’re doing that, but that’s just, that’s who we are, man. Sometimes you, it always reel back. I say this all the time to our coaches, we press every day in practice. It’s easier to maybe reel back to play half court, man, then it’s tougher to go from playing half to  the press.

So that aspect we’re always going up and down and that philosophy will never go away. because [00:57:00] that’s how you have to play. You have to put in game situations, but the kids that we kind of pencil man, and piece of men where are we going to do something? But we’ve been running some similar stuff the last 16 years, butmI got to the point where this sounds like a football cliche, I got a defensive coordinator and an offensive coordinator so it’s the superintendent says, Hey, you ain’t scored enough boys. I’m going to fire the offensive coordinator. Just like, Hey, we’re not stopping people. The defensive coordinators going to get fired.

So, we kind of worked together that aspect that kind of puts them guys on that aspect of, giving them some responsibility as assistant coaches do. The last, probably seven, eight years and more. So some of these younger guys, they want to be coaches head coaches, Hey, this, your opportunity to take over the defense offense.

So they create some new ideas, give me some new ideas go. So we’re always beating our head up and down with our offensive coordinators, to everybody defense and try to change some things up. But I told him, Hey, listen, we’re not going to go [00:58:00] away from man to man. So you got some other philosophies and that’s fine, but we’re oppressing.

We can do some other traps and we guess what at the end of the day, and we’ll go back to man to man. So, I don’t know when the last time we played zone, but you never know it could go in yeah. One day it could change too. You know, you always, I think you have to adapt to your talent too, like you were saying, and you know, we will, if we have to, but moving forward, we’ve had a nice little run where we.

No, you can kinda do the same thing over and over. So, but look, always looking to improve stuff. You know, that’s the good ones do. I mean, I’m not saying we’re good, but, and we’re trying try and at least to change some things up and try to get better.

Mike Klinzing: [00:58:41] So, where do you go to look for new things to incorporate you?

Obviously you’re talking to your assistants and they’re going out and looking at different things, but where do you go now as a veteran head coach, are you watching, are you watching tape of other teams? What are you, what are you doing to improve? Where are you looking for? Little wrinkles that you can add [00:59:00] into what you already do.

Tim Debevec: [00:59:01] I’ll be honest with you. Every year we make a coach’s trip, like three nights somewhere. Like, we’ll go down to say, we went down to Duke, North Carolina and those guys, they just to pick up some ideas every year or the one year with the Michigan, Michigan state, try to hit about three different schools.

Every time we go on a three-day trip with the coaches staff, but kinda if we kind of pick some things that we want to pick up and. And then even when we stayed local, we go to Akron, Kent, and Walsh. If we see a lot of college practices may pick up some ideas. Like even if it’s some basic, some new drills just to stay sharp or break up the miles, you know how it is when you were a player and the coach going to run this, we try to this, try to switch it up.

But you know, you want to pick some teams like that. It has your same philosophy too, a little bit we we’ve been all over the place. I mean, the one year we went to Pittsburgh Duquesne and Robert Morris. I thought Virginia did some good things. So we went down there one year. I really, [01:00:00] when Villanova won the championship, they were diamond pressing back into a man, I really liked that, kinda kind of sold me on that half court trap, back into a man just to slow up a team or get them out of the rhythm, but maybe just go into these practice and this may be, Hey cure.

What can we incorporate, into our philosophy and, That’s been pretty good. We always do. You know how we flew out to Arizona with Sean Miller and stay out here and went over his house. And to this day, that was probably 12 years ago and we use probably three or four of their sets that we got from a coach Miller at Arizona.

So I think just stealing some ideas here and there and incorporating them in our program helps out a little bit, been fortunate to do that and that it goes back to this. Having fun coaching. I think that’s as important too. I told the coaches all the time, we’re going to have fun. If you’re not having fun doing this, man, let’s get the hell out.

Absolutely. And they said that he can’t be all. [01:01:00] It’s got, you have to have fun. What you’re doing. I mean, you were going to do this for 30 years or teach for 30 years. You better get out of education if you’re not enjoying it or having fun. So if some guy told me that early, early in my career, so to the point we got to have fun.

We’re really close. Cause we do stuff all the time. We go to football games together, we go to practices together. We would go scout together. So, that’s important as a coach make sure you have good relations with all your assistants and middle schools. I think that’s a vital part  of being successful and guys like being around the program and picking the right guys or invest in some time and, and care about our kids and.

Right now we do got that obviously coaches come and go and you’re going to have that because you know, lot of coaches, it’s a lot of time  it’s a 12 month job and some people got families and  I get it they can’t put the time in, so it’s not easy to be on top.

You got [01:02:00] There’s a lot of time goes into it. And, like you said, in the process of we’ve got changed some things this year. I mean, we’ve got to get back. We had a down year last year, we got to figure it out and we’ve got some time and we’ve been working on some things and we’ve got our coaches we’ll meet next week.

You know,  guys don’t want to meet just to meet, we’re going to work to get something done if we’re going to meet. So we’re meeting next week with the youth coaches, and then all the freshmen, JV and varsity coaches will meet. So we have to get going. It’s time to go.

And, like I said, it’s. You kind of have things put in place. Like every year we meet certain times and we’ll go over another watch Ohio State practice. Cause this is Kyle’s last year. Maybe watch practice at Dayton and Cincinnati this year. So that’d be our trip this year. Maybe steal some ideas from those coaches

Mike Klinzing: [01:02:47] Absolutely. So what are some, once you get into the season, what is your day to day practice planning look like? Are you, are you writing the practice plan yourself? And then when are you doing it or are you doing it [01:03:00] collaboratively with the rest of the coaching staff or are you writing it first and then sharing it with the staff?

Just what’s your process. In season four, putting together a practice plan so that you can make sure that you maximize the time that you have out on the floor with your kids?

Tim Debevec: [01:03:12] Yeah. You don’t like practicing obviously two hours in the beginning, maybe two hours and 15 minutes. I think after that the kids kind of lose focus, but I mean, you’re probably going to laugh at me, but you know, I remember seeing Coach K handwritten his practice plan, so I thought, man, I’m going to start.

I’m just going to hand write all these prospects because you know how it is. If you type it, you might not delete that. You might do the same thing. So. I started off early. I probably at night  before I chicken scratch our practice plan, the next day I rewrite it again. I’ll rewrite it again. I probably rewrite my practice plan four times before practice.

And once I get done at like 12 o’clock, I’ll shoot it out to the coaches now with technology that makes it awesome. And then if they want to change something and then after each practice, I said, guys, Hey, give me some ideas. Let’s stay [01:04:00] after practice for 10, 15 minutes right up on the board. I’ll take a picture of it.

I’ll incorporate it. just try to keep them involved too. So they feel part of what we’re going to do better. but does this rewriting the price, but I’m just thinking, like I told you before I got all my practice plans for 28 years. So I’ve been coaching, going through some stuff.

What can we work on? Different practice shooting drills to what kind of process is going to be what we need to work on before the first game, do we need to put out a miles plays and do we need to. What’s it going to look like? You know, I think important part of our off season right now, we’ve always done this.

We scrimmaged the best teams in, instead of how in the off season, we always try to scrimmage the best team. So we’ve got Moeller this year at more a lot of times like, gosh, he goes, why are you driving four hours to scrimmage Moeller? And that’s the only way you get better. You have played those teams.

So we have to go on a Saturday all day, or we’re going down to Columbus and it [01:05:00] really helps our kids. We’re finding the best programs. So, but to go back to the practice, but then you look at every year, what are you going to work on different?

And I incorporate, I encourage my assistants to chime in after every practice and have them be part of the practice plan. And they’re constantly doing the breakdown drills and try to run it like a college practice plan to a certain extent.

Mike Klinzing: [01:05:25] Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. When you were talking about scheduling, what’s your philosophy, or what advice would you have for a high school coach who has at least some degree of control over their schedule in terms of balancing out?

I guess it kind of depends a little bit on where your program is obviously, but I know as a player and as a coach, I always felt like. For me, it was more beneficial to play better teams and get my team prepared for the state tournament as opposed to scheduling victories. And I get it. If you’re in a situation where there aren’t many victories to be had in your [01:06:00] league and your programs down, you’re just trying to turn it around.

That maybe you have to schedule one way, but to me, and it sounds like you’re of the same mindset that the only way to get better is let’s schedule the best teams. And maybe we only go 500 in our non-league games, but when the time comes for us to be prepared to play against good competition in the tournament, we’re going to be ready as opposed to scheduling eight victories that aren’t really going to help us get prepared.

Tim Debevec: [01:06:25] Yeah. You know, I mentioned it kind of starts, I mean, regardless of your scrimmage, you’re going to be zero and zero.

Mike Klinzing: [01:06:30] Right. True. Yup.

Tim Debevec: [01:06:32] You know, let’s just get five best games. You can get whatever happens there and it gets you ready for the first game, we always kind of liked to start with a pretty solid game and then always schedule a tough game at the end, the season to get you ready for that team. And I know we got St. Ignatius at the end of the season. The one year, I think propelled us to maybe want to stay Todd.

We lost to St. V at home from the sellout crowd at the buzzer. [01:07:00] Maybe that things kind of resonate. You know, there for awhile I thought were going to be good, you know how, when you’re thinking of be good, I think you guys scheduled good teams. I can’t stand coaches that they know they’re going to be 20 and Oh, and they want to be 20 and 0, but I really mean 19 one 18 and two, and get you ready for playoffs.

so that’s always been our philosophy. I mean, at least mine, I don’t know, like there for awhile, I knew we were going to be good. I always scheduled the team that won the state, I wanted to play that team. I had to, Hey, let’s get that team on our schedule. So Mentor won it the one year we want to get them, we worked out a deal with Wayne Huber Heights when they won state. So every time when someone won the state title, like how are we going to get them on the schedule? You know, just to see what that tell our kids, this is what it takes, you know? And, and, we we’d done that. Like, I don’t know, six years in a row, but I don’t know if we’re going to do that now, but, I can tell you most probably don’t want to stay till this year.

So I knew we were going to try to screamers zone. So, I said, I love going to different places for scrimmages. I really go away for scrimmages. I I [01:08:00] always have maybe three or four away scrimmages and maybe one or two at home, but get our kids on the road and see  different good competition.

Mike Klinzing: [01:08:08] So how do you get, I think this is a question that maybe, a coach who is at a program that is not at the same stage of success that yours is might have, and that is how do you get. The parents of your players to buy into some of the things that you’re talking about. Obviously the track record of success makes it a lot easier, but let’s say you’re just more at the beginning of this process instead of where you are in it.

And you’re saying, Hey, we’re going to get an a we’re going to get in cars or we’re going to get in a van or we’re to get in a school bus, or we’re going to travel four hours to go scrimmage, or we’re going to be doing. These workouts are your kids going to have to get up and coach kindergarteners on Saturday morning?

What do you do to engage the parents that helps you to get buy-in so that you can do all the things that you’re doing that you know, are required in order to be at the level [01:09:00] of success that you guys are at?

Tim Debevec: [01:09:01] Yeah. You know, I tell people this all the time and you probably think I’m crazy, but you know, right after labor day September round.

Oh, for whatever that is that day we meet with everybody freshmen, all the way through. We kind of tell them, this is what we do in September, October, November, and the season, all that. How could you get involved with our fundraisers to whatever we do our youth tournament. So I talked for about an hour and a half, just give them everything.

And then when it was, we picked the teams, we meet with the parents again, obviously. And then I think it’s been big that we meet with the parents, like April 1st. You know, Hey, this is what we’re going to do for the summer. This is what we expect from our kids. And kind of, I mean, people like, Hey it takes some time, but it’s been worth it.

Be honest and communicate it to the parents. And I say this all the time. When people laugh at me, I give them hard copies and. People, Hey coach, why are you giving them hard copies? I’ve burned so many trees probably, but [01:10:00] so they can’t say, Hey coach, I lost it in the email or you didn’t text me or so at least they got the hard copy out there.

I get involved, we have, always have a senior parent, the kid that starts, that parent. I sit down with that parents say, listen, this is who I expect out of you. You’re going to send out some emails for me. This isn’t your organized team feeds you’re on it. I think that’s important to get our team kids team feeds every Thursday night.

We’re having guest speakers every Thursday a 10, 15 minutes guest speaker or whoever that might look like a few lines to inspiration speaker or whatever that might look like, but kindness, just lay it out for the players to it, just because I think that goes along with parents.

If they know what’s going on,they don’t come back and say, Hey coach, you never told me about that stuff in the summer, but this is what we do. So, I think that’s important, man, to meet with the parents. I mean, I know that it takes some time, but, And I put my number out there, that would be the first thing I tell parents.

I say, listen, you got a problem with anything in our program. You think [01:11:00] this call me 330-896-1468. And people are looking at me like, what the hell is he doing? Giving his phone number out to everybody in Jackson, but I don’t care. I mean that’s our program.

That’s what you’re saying. You have to be invested in. I think that’s important to that. They know that they can contact you. I mean, obviously I don’t want to get 8,000 phone calls, but. I get some I emails or tech this day and age, people are scared to call. They, they email you. So, sometimes that’s easier, but I just think that’s important.

I don’t know. I think as a young coach, I mean, I would do that in a heartbeat, meet with the parents, give them hard copies, tell them what your expectations are. And that goes a long way. I think.

Mike Klinzing: [01:11:40] I think proactive communication is something that I hear you saying. I think I hear it from other coaches too, that if you can get out ahead of it and build a relationship with parents and let them know upfront that these are the expectations, this is what you’re going to do.

This is how we’re going to do it. Then if something does come up later on where the parent [01:12:00] has a problem or has a question or wants to know something, if you’ve already built a relationship with that person, It’s a lot easier than to go back and have that. What some people might consider to be a difficult conversation with them about something within the program.

If you’ve already established the relationship, as opposed to that’s the first time you’ve ever had any communication with them. And now you’re trying to you’re trying to discuss this more difficult issue. I think that’s sometimes can be where you have a problem. If you’re proactive, you can head off a lot of those problems before you even get to the point where they become an issue for parents.

Tim Debevec: [01:12:31] I agree with you. I mean, even to the simplest thing, I tell him, listen, I’m not just here to coach basketball. Listen, you’re going to hear me call you about your kid’s grades, his social life, how he’s acting. I mean, I tell them the whole gamut of that. And then that’s the big thing that we’re going to try to get their ACT scores up.

We’re going to try to do this. Cause I think that’s important that they see, different aspects that we can help their sons out and then life in general and we care [01:13:00] more than just basketball. I mean, we’re going to keep an eye on you, suckers, you know? And, I called kids all the time when they’re grades are good I’ll call their parents.

And that’s the simplest thing a two minute conversation with a parent that helps out a little bit, like you’re saying being proactive. And, we got the copies right in front of them. I mean, I can’t say enough, how much has helped out just because you in a big school you’d have to cut so many kids or they kind of figure it out.

You’re going to play five kids on the basketball court. I said, I mean, it’s, it’s not easy and it’s a tough situation. You go all the way through the program. You might not be that top five or six kids. And I don’t know, maybe get involved with something else.

Mike Klinzing: [01:13:44] That’s the positive and negative of basketball. Right? The positive is. That if you’re, if you start thinking about putting together a program if you get, if you get six or seven kids, you can, you can win with that. And yet at the same time, you think about what you’re starting out [01:14:00] with at your youth camp, while you’re go back to the top of our conversation, you got 400 kids and attrition is going to wear those kids out.

And you’re only going to end up with there’s not going to be as many kids that are, get that opportunity to play. And so you have to, I think that goes to what you talked about just a second ago, which is. You got to have an impact on them through your program in more than just the game of basketball, you got to have a relationship with them where you’re concerned about their grades.

You’re concerned about their social life. You’re concerned about them as people, so that even if you have a kid who’s on one of your two eighth grade teams and that kid doesn’t make the team as a freshmen, well, hopefully he learned more from your program that just. How to shoot a left-handed layup, hopefully in seventh and eighth grade, he got more out of it.

I think that’s what the best coaches do. And I think that’s what really develops pride in the program where people who have been a part of it that maybe they don’t make it to that ultimate prize of being a varsity player, but they still are bought in all through the process because they know. That you and your coaching staff cares about them and is putting the time in [01:15:00] to invest in them as not just basketball players, but as students and as people.

And again, parents appreciate that.

Tim Debevec: [01:15:05] Yeah. Yeah. And that’s one of the toughest thing I deal with, I think personally, and when we cut kids or let kids go, it kind of wears on me, you know? And that’s one thing you hate to cut kids because whether they’re doing outside of basketball, like I always think like, Hey, do you have something to fall back on?

Is there a baseball kid or I don’t know if that’s a good or bad, but. That kind of, this kind of sits in the back of my head. Like that’s the only frustrating part is one of our jobs that probably have to let kids go and we got caught. and, and that’s not easy. People think it might be easy, but I mean, I take that to heart man for three or four days.

I like how we got this kid, like, what is he going to do? You know, I’ll go see him in the hallway or go maybe a week later to see how they’re doing. It’s just, that’s part of our job, but that’s the toughest. That’s one of the toughest parts, I think. If what are the kids doing? Especially with this day and age of all the stuff going on with anxiety.

And, I don’t [01:16:00] know, this is the peer pressure and mental health stuff. So, I mean, it’s different. I say this all the time, every situation is different. we’ve been blessed to have some good things. And then on the flip side of that some people have better than us.

So, every situation is different and the situation we’ve been in. We just got to try to do the best we can and, and be positive role models as coaches, but I enjoy it and as a coach, I mean, I can’t say that enough, man. I enjoy it. It’s been a great 28 years of coach and I wrote down some stuff and I told my coach that I’m retired and they, they got all mad maybe, but I said, it’s been good guys, this journey and, and, and I said, I could, I could talk all night with u. Mike was yours. They kind of person you, I could just see the passion that we got for sports and basketball, but that’s what that’s what sports does to you man.

It [01:17:00] does teach you a lot of life lessons and he gives you a couple of curve balls too, during the way and let him just, the whole thing, man, just just dealing with kids and parents and. This is not easy sometimes, but you have to do it. It’s a job. we try to do the best we can as coaches.

And sometimes we don’t work out with parents or kids, and that’s where I feel bad. Like I wish we could camp him or wish we could help him, you know? And everybody’s been in that situation and for sure you feel bad you want to help, we’re in a coaching and teaching to help kids out, not to cut.

Isn’t part of our job. We cut, football and track don’t cut. Then type of sports lacrosse. And so when you’re cutting kids, it’s not easy, but, that’s part of the job, unfortunately.

Mike Klinzing: [01:17:46] Yeah, absolutely. All right. To go along with what you just said in terms of what you’ve been through as a coach, I want you to look both back and forward with this last question.

That is what is, [01:18:00] first of all, your biggest challenge as you look ahead. What’s the biggest challenge it could be for this season for getting through the Corona virus for just on the horizon the next five years. What’s your biggest challenge. And then number two, what’s your biggest joy? When you think about being a high school basketball coach at Jackson high school.

What’s the one thing, when you pop out of bed in the morning, first thing that comes into your head that you’re like, man, I can’t wait to get to work because of this. So your biggest challenge and your biggest joy, and then we’ll wrap things up.

Tim Debevec: [01:18:26] All right. You know, I mean, the challenge obviously this time is kind of crazy.

I just, my foster, the kids need sports and that’s what gets kids through high school and, and even get me through high school and college. And I think that’s important. The interaction, being part of a team. That’s been always my philosophy make it a good experience. Every kid needs a good experience.

I don’t care where you’re at in the city, suburban where the kid needs these coaching, they need structure. and that’s part of our job to give these kids structure and be part of their lives. [01:19:00] So that’s big you stay with me, man. I think that the challenge this year, I would love to get back to Columbus.

W with anybody. I mean, that’s our goal as coaches, like to see the next five years, hopefully no, a big thing in your Health’s have to be there, Mike. I mean, I’ve had some up and downs. I mean, heart attack, whatever you just got to, I think your, your hopes have to be there. Your passion, you have to keep grinding.

I think coaches kind of get that. Some coaches, they kind of coached as you could say, or just kind of get, they don’t want to change things up. I think you got to keep changing things up. You’ve got to keep improving. How can you improve your program or your and that’s what we’re trying to look through every year.

That’s what I tell our booster club. What can we improve our program here? And that I tell our coaches that I tell myself that I look in the mirror mirrors like, am I do I still love this? Oh, I passionate enough to get up in the morning. So. All right, we’ll go on to the next question about the joy is and I know this sounds repetitive, but [01:20:00] you know, we pray before the game and I say this all the time, I’ve been blessed to have a good situation and get this job and be part of two state championships.

But more importantly, just being surrounded by a lot of good people and people that’s helped me through my career. It’s been a journey and I can tell you it hasn’t been easy and people think it’s easy to just go to bed. Cause you know, jumped for joy. But that’s why when, when you see the kids celebrate after we won 2010 and 2017, then you let it sink in.

It was like this is amazing. You know, see these kids and grown adults act like, like five-year-olds and celebrate. And then. It was special and, and that’s all we want. You know, every day I wake up and I joke with my wife, I put on a pair of golf pants and a golf shirt and go to school.

And that’s something I enjoy doing. And  it’s never been a job. And coaching has never been a job. It’s been a, it’s been a fun job. [01:21:00] I mean, it’s never act like that. It’s just something I love to do. And passionate about being around the kids and. Shoot. I can coach all I’m probably going to die in my sneakers.

I tell my question about retire every year. And they look at me like I’m nuts. So, who knows? I said, if my health is good and I enjoy what I’m doing and I don’t know, basketball gave me everything to go back to that. And that’s why I asked one of the kids to have a positive experience.

And I’m like this being tonight, man, it’s 11:30. I should, I can do this every night, man. I don’t go to bed. So 12 o’clock. So. I’m good with this. And I appreciate it. Like, like people like you, that they’re still involved and just get it out there and maybe helping some young coaches and doing this. I mean, I think people need to know and that’s they go back to the first question.

I think let’s communicate and try and get through these hard times is going to be important. You know, I talked to probably 10 people a day when we’re in a pandemic in March and April, just to. [01:22:00] I don’t know, just to talk to people. I mean, I go nuts. It’s not talking to people and being around people. So, are you doing this and Jason, I mean, it helps out, man.

I mean, I think it helps. If you can just goes back to going to these clinics, if you can just pick up one thing or two things, it can help someone or helping young coach or help a kid. It goes a long way.

Mike Klinzing: [01:22:19] Absolutely Tim, I can’t thank you enough for taking an hour and a half out of your schedule to talk some hoops with us and spent a lot of fun, kind of going back and reminiscing and thinking about the things that you know, we did when we were kids and then going on up through the tremendous success that you’ve been able to have at Jackson.

And I just have a lot of respect for what you’ve been able to do in the game. And I’m just so appreciative of you taking the time. To talk to us for an hour and a half tonight, share with the coaching profession, share with our audience. And we really, really do appreciate it before we get out of here.

Just give people an idea of where they can find out more about you and your program. maybe share, I know you have a Twitter account for the program. just share how people can [01:23:00] reach out to you. I know you already gave your cell number out, but if you want to do that again, feel free. And then I’ll jump back in and wrap things.

Tim Debevec: [01:23:06] You know, we have our, I told you we incorporate everything. So if you looked on Jackson youth basketball association, anything that we do to fundraisers to our. Sign up sheets now, our tournament, youth tournament coming up or a seventh, eighth grade stuff on there, the rosters. And obviously you mentioned what the Jackson basketball, Twitter, but I think that website’s pretty good.

We got an update a little bit. I mean, this is 2020, so hopefully we keep working on that. I think that’s vital that we have updated our webpage, but it’s the Jackson Youth Basketball Association is kind of gets all the information that what we do and. How this goes through everything that we want to do with our, our philosophy, to our mission statement, to our coaching staff and, and there’s numbers on there, who’s on our board and how you can contact people for our youth program.

And, and that’s where it starts, you know? And we’re, [01:24:00] it’s one program. It’s not Tim Debevec’s program. It’s the whole Jackson township Jackson basketball program. So that’s it.

Mike Klinzing: [01:24:09] Awesome, Tim! Can’t thank you enough for spending almost an hour and a half with us tonight. It’s been an absolute pleasure and to everyone out there.

Thanks for listening. And we will catch you on our next episode. Thanks.

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