“THE TRIPLE DOUBLE” #26 WITH ROB BROST, BOLINGBROOK (IL) HIGH SCHOOL BOYS’ BASKETBALL HEAD COACH – EPISODE 1293
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The 26th edition of “The Triple Double” with Rob Brost, Bolingbrook (IL) High School Boys’ Basketball Head Coach. Rob, Mike, & Jason hit on three basketball topics in each episode of “The Triple Double”.
- What is a tradition in your program that has nothing to do with basketball on the court, but is still an important part of your culture?
- If you could add one rule to basketball for a single season what would it be?
- If someone wrote a book about your coaching career, what would the title be and why?
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What We Discuss with Rob Brost
- What is a tradition in your program that has nothing to do with basketball on the court, but is still an important part of your culture?
- If you could add one rule to basketball for a single season what would it be?
- If someone wrote a book about your coaching career, what would the title be and why?
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TRANSCRIPT FOR “THE TRIPLE DOUBLE” #26 WITH ROB BROST, BOLINGBROOK (IL) HIGH SCHOOL BOYS’ BASKETBALL HEAD COACH – EPISODE 1293
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[00:01:08] Mark Cascio: Hey, this is Mark Cascio from Savi Coaching, and you’re listening to the Hoop Heads Podcast
[00:01:14] Mike Klinzing: Hello, and welcome to the Hoop Peads Podcast.
It’s Mike Klinzing here tonight with my co-host, Jason Sunkle. And welcoming back in for triple double number 26, Rob Brost from Bolingbrook High School. Rob, welcome back. Jason, welcome.
[00:01:34] Rob Brost: I am glad to be back, and I’m honored to have Jason with us
[00:01:39] Jason Sunkle: this time. Listen, I have to show my face every once in a while on these interview pods to make sure the listeners actually get to see me, because I don’t know if they’re seeing me too much on the NBA pod.
So we- we… I just need to show my face. Rob, that’s what I’m here for. I don’t
[00:01:52] Mike Klinzing: know if I have to… I keep thinking every time, Jay, when I’m doing my interviews now, and I say, “It’s Mike Klinzing here without Mike,” it’s just… I feel like I might need to just get rid of that part of my intro at this point.
And then when, and then you, and then
[00:02:03] Jason Sunkle: when I do show up, you just say, “And Jason’s here, too.”
[00:02:07] Mike Klinzing: Yeah. “And Jason’s here. Jason decided to join us tonight.” May-
[00:02:09] Jason Sunkle: maybe we can just do an episode where you can interview me, ’cause the listeners are going to forget who the heck I am. So that’s…
[00:02:14] Mike Klinzing: That’s right.
We’ll have to review your credentials. We’re going to have to review ’em. Yeah.
[00:02:17] Rob Brost: All right. That’s it. Might have to re-interview.
[00:02:21] Mike Klinzing: So we got three topics tonight, and we’re going to start, Rob, with topic number one. And it is, what’s a tradition in your program that has nothing to do with basketball on the court, but is still an important part of your culture?
[00:02:34] Rob Brost: I think the one thing we always try to do something in and around the Christmas time whether that be a special practice, gifts for the guys. Last year we happened to be in Hawaii so that was, we took the team out and for a nice dinner one of the nights in Hawaii. We’ve done things in the past where each player gets $10, and then they partner up with another player, and you get them a present, and you have to stand up in front of the team and explain why you got this present for this player.
And some of it’s funny, some of it’s serious. One year a kid got one particular player got another player a 10 pound weight because he jokingly was saying “You’ve never been in the weight room, so here’s a 10 pound barbell or dumbbell for you for Christmas.” And so sometimes it’s funny, sometimes it’s serious.
And so we always try to do something like that around the Christmas time, whether it’s- gifts, whether we’re making sandwiches for the underprivileged or something like that, but a team activity completely unrelated to basketball. And then the other thing I’ll tell you is usually before our first game, however that falls, usually we do it on a Saturday or a Sunday where we have plenty of time we do something as a team, something similar to you needing to get up in front of the team and tell the– share with the team something that makes you vulnerable or something that we might not know about you and those types of things that just stays within the team.
And we do some version of that every year as well. So those two things I think, are two things that we do year in, year out, different versions of each of those, but something similar to those
[00:04:29] Mike Klinzing: Do you find that different guys have a different level of willingness, A, to talk in front of the team, and then B, also when I think about those kinds of activities, I think about the guy that is the life of the party and-
[00:04:46] Jason Sunkle: Yeah
[00:04:46] Mike Klinzing: is more than willing to probably go above and beyond. Yeah. And then you’ve always got the kid that is more reticent to come up in front of the group, and I can see the benefits to both of those types of individuals, and then obviously people fall in between on a- Yeah … sliding scale. But just talk a little bit about how it benefits everybody, no matter what- Yeah
your level of gregariousness is, for lack of a better word,
[00:05:10] Rob Brost: semantics. I think the, with, in particular what we do before the season, or not before the season, but before our first game when y- whenever you get a group of 15 to 17-year-old young men together, and then you have three adult men in there as well for kids, es- especially kids, but s- the coaches too, the coaches do it as well.
They share and do that type of thing, and it’s amazing how comfortable some kids are with sharing that, and then how the kids you thought would be uncomfortable, once they see someone else do it, then it allows them to peel back the toughness or the layers of themselves, because you see a coach do it.
Or one of my assistants gets up there and whatever he says, and maybe he starts crying because of whatever he was saying. And th- whenever you get young men to be vulnerable, I think it brings your team together in a way that w- wouldn’t, isn’t normally possible. On the court, sweating, running, doing all the things that we do on a day-to-day that’s not something they do and it’s amazing how few of them have been given that opportunity before.
And so it’s almost like a relief for some of them. And so you find out things about some of your guys and I mean this in a good way, that maybe you didn’t know before. And it helps you as a coach ’cause then you can relate to that young man m- much better. And then two, it gives them a little sense of that the coaches aren’t perfect either, and we don’t expect perfection, and we’re– our lives have stuff going in it as well.
And so there’s things that are happening in our lives that aren’t exactly going as smoothly as we want. And so the coaches are involved in it too, and that, sets the tone, I guess you would say, for some of it. And we don’t really have any order. We just say, “Everybody’s have to go. Who wants to go?”
And then inevitably a kid will just stand up and walk to the front. And so I don’t necessarily go first or have a coach go first. We just kinda open it up, and sometimes we sit there for 30 seconds. Sometimes it’s just one right after another. So it’s really good, is a generic word, but it’s refreshing when you sit where I sit that kids would, A, share some of the things that they’re sharing, and B, then accept.
A lot of the times, guys will be clapping for their teammates when they get done, even if they talked about how their grandpa just died and how, I’m just using that as an example or they had a death in the family. Guys will clap, and it’s not because they’re excited, but it’s just “Hey, we appreciate you, and we appreciate what you’re going through because I’m going through something myself.
It might not be that exact same thing, but I got a little something over here too.” And it’s okay to have that. And so I think it really peels back layers for us. And we’ll go as long as it takes, and sometimes it takes a half hour, 45 minutes. We’ve had other times where it’s taken three hours to get through the whole team, and that’s why we do it on a day where we don’t have school and we’re not rushed and all those things.
So it’s really, I think it’s really good for our guys, and it’s really good for our coaches too, because sometimes they’re afraid to share because they have stuff going too, and they’re trying to be tough or whatever the case may be
[00:09:02] Mike Klinzing: Have you had a memorable follow-up conversation with somebody who shared something without giving us the personal- Yeah
details of a story, but when a kid shares something, obviously, as you said, that helps you to get to know them better. Yep. And then you can broach those topics as you go through and build the relationship with the kid, which is something that obviously- Yes … we’ve talked about. But have you used that as kind of a springboard for future conversation?
[00:09:29] Rob Brost: Absolutely. So during the one-on-one conversation, if appropriate, like when I’m meeting with players once a week or even off to the sides, I might bring it up if I feel like that’s a good time for that. And then that also shows like, “Hey, remember that thing two months ago? Coach was actually listening to what I said, and he cares about that part of it too.”
And we always talk about that piece, but that really shows that I am listening to them. And so obviously I always ask about, “How’s your family? How’s your parents? How’s your, everything going?” And then, I get to know them then, but then I might say, “Remember when we were back at the team thing?
How’s that thing going? How is that?” And then I’ll be a little more specific obviously. “Do you need any help with that? Is there anything else that’s happened since then?” And certainly there’s things that you would never think people are going through. And of course, I set the tone with the whole thing at the beginning.
If your safety’s involved or if it’s, something that’s going to, you know, harm you or somebody in your family, then I’ll be forced to tell somebody. But 99.9% of the things stay right here, and that also breeds trust in, in your team as well. So the answer to that is yes it opens a lot of doors because then kids know or your team knows that they can trust each other and that they can trust me to, keep the information or help them or not help them in certain situations, depending on what it is
[00:11:09] Mike Klinzing: How pra- from a practical standpoint, if another coach is listening and they say, “Hey, I might want to try this with my team,” what’s the hardest part about getting it started?
When you did it for the first time- Yeah … what do you remember? What advice would you have for somebody if they want to start a similar activity? What would make it easier to kinda get it going?
[00:11:30] Rob Brost: I think you have to be ready to go first if nobody’s willing to go, meaning who- whoever that is, the head coach or an assistant coach, whatever.
You have to be ready to go first. But now it’s gotten to the point where kids are almost ready for it for us, and we’ll mix it in with something else “Give us your one word for the season. Why did you pick that? And then after you get done with the one word, then tell us a little, tell us something that will, makes you vulnerable or something we may not know, or something that maybe is a private thing that we can get to know more about you,” et cetera.
So we always pair it with something else, and the something else is usually a little something easier to talk about, so it gets them talking in front of the group. And then but I think as long as you lay the groundwork Prior to it and take it seriously. Y- you can’t get up there and say, “I had Cheerios for breakfast.
That’s something you didn’t know about me.” That’s not going to do it. This is a serious thing, something that we’re going to spend as much time on as, as we have to or that it takes to do. And I think you have to be ready to set the tone as the head coach or one of the assistants. You might need to go first and really s- start it off.
And once kids feel comfortable in front of you, then it’s amazing what they’ll share with you. And it’s amazing the things that they’ll tell their teammates because they know it’s a safe space. And so that’s ultimately wh- what we want to provide for them is a safe space. And so it’s a little bit easier when you see other people doing it as well.
When you see the coach do it, when you see other players do it, then you’re not as uneasy about it. Yeah, but you can tell some players at first they don’t want to … they’re a little uncomfortable. But it’s just like anything. Once you do it and you get a little practice at it, it becomes easier, right?
And once the reaction is going to be favorable for you instead of mocking you or making fun of you or calling you a ba- or whatever it is once you understand that, then it becomes easier for everybody.
[00:13:41] Mike Klinzing: And I think it creates a bond that you can go back to- No question … when there’s adversity and say, “Hey, remember when we shared this,” or, “Remember when we talked about that,” or, “Remember when we all collectively did this together?”
It was a difficult thing. As you said, 15 to 17-year-old boys, not super excited about being vulnerable and sharing things all the time. And so to put them in a space where they can do that, and then hear from everybody else, and then share their own thing, now when times get difficult, they know they’ve been through- Yes
a difficult thing. They’ve gotten through that, and they’ve gotten through it together, and they know something about that teammate that, “Hey, I, I have to lift this guy up because X, Y, or Z.” And again, obviously that’s not the only reason why you become a great teammate and bond together- Yeah … as a team, but it’s one more step in the process to get them there.
[00:14:34] Rob Brost: It’s easier to- Expect more from them on the floor when they’ve shared some things off the floor, if that makes sense. Because the on the floor stuff is so easy in comparison to that, what we’re sharing with each other. And so it’s not fair to your teammates, and I– we talk about this all the… It’s not fair if you’re not going hard, if you’re not cheering for your teammate.
It’s not fair to them because we’ve all just shared stuff that just, is gut-wrenching in some cases, when we were in the classroom, whatever it was, even two months ago. And you think this is hard? You think being down 10 at half, you think this is difficult? Really? This is nothing compared to what we’re all dealing with once we get out of here.
And so you can demand, not demand, but you can expect a lot more out of your players when you’ve been through some of these things with them, and it develops some sweat equity without the sweat part, but it’s life equity in this case.
[00:15:43] Mike Klinzing: And so-
[00:15:44] Rob Brost: Yeah, that
[00:15:44] Mike Klinzing: makes sense. I think that’s a great activity
[00:15:46] Rob Brost: And it’s something that we’ve done, and it’s really been good for our, my assistant coaches too, because they, I have a couple that are really tough guys that try to, and they immediately, like a couple of them just start crying and saying, “I can’t believe I’m sharing this,” XYZ happened and, so it’s really therapeutic without being degrading in any way or an- anything like that. And it’s almost refreshing. When you sit where I sit, it’s refreshing. And then obviously the last three years, that’s happened and my son happens to be in there as well. So then there’s that dynamic.
I wonder what he’s going to say. Is he going to say, “It’s terrible to have your dad be the head coach?” That could be something that he could say. And e- everybody’s kinda just wondering “Ooh, I wonder what’s happening,” in their head or in their lives. And so it’s been really good for us, as a team and as a program.
[00:16:44] Mike Klinzing: People drop their public persona and- Yes … you kinda get to see behind the mask of who they present themselves to be. And obviously that’s what a team’s about, man, being in the locker room and sharing those things and having those moments, and there’s lots of ways that they get created naturally through the games and the adversity and the wins and the losses.
And if you put your team in a position like this to be able to share, and again, get to know one another on a deeper level, then when things get tough, they’re a lot more likely to lock arms and move ahead together- No doubt … as opposed to breaking apart. So I think that it’s a great tradition, and it’s one that I think if more coaches did it, they’d see more of that connection between- No doubt
their team members.
[00:17:27] Rob Brost: Yep.
[00:17:29] Mike Klinzing: Topic number two. If you could add one rule to the game of basketball for a single season just to see what it would do, what would that rule be? I have no idea what direction you’re going to go here. You could go chalk with the shot clock, or… But I don’t, I got a feeling you’re going to go…
I got a feeling you’re not going chalk. No. So I’m curious to see what you come up with here.
[00:17:52] Rob Brost: The, the one that just came right to me was I dis- dislike that every foul after five is now a two-shot foul. I think if it’s not a shooting foul, I- let’s start the one-and-ones immediately. Right away.
And then I know the whole thing was like we’ll make it two shots and then people won’t foul as much, and the game will go quicker,” and all of that stuff. And I get that if you’re shooting a one-and-one on every foul, but then you’re probably not going to foul as much. I would like to see, just the one year to see how it goes, is that every foul is a one-and-one.
Every single one. And so I know that probably would slow the game down at the beginning, but certainly at five, I think everything should be a one-and-one, not a two shot, unless it’s on a shooting foul. I get it if it’s on a shooting foul. But the whole no more one-and-ones, I think it’s, I think it’s ridiculous.
I think everything should be a one-and-one. So I would go to the extreme of having every foul one-and-one. But ultimately, I think the rule should be start at the five and then go with the one-and-one. And so that was one of the things I thought about. And then the other thing
[00:19:08] Jason Sunkle: I thought of- can I ask you a question, Rob?
Can I ask you a question about that though? Yeah. Sure. What if you have a guy who can’t make- Yep … free throws? Like you’re g- I, I- I mean, I, I-
[00:19:18] Rob Brost: Yeah. I’m
[00:19:19] Jason Sunkle: not allowing my guys to make free throws, are you going to hack-a-Shaq? Are they going to hack-a-Shaq all day, every day?
[00:19:23] Rob Brost: They might.
I guess they might against us, ’cause we’re going to play so fast, and we might just be dribbling by them and they might hack us. I’m sure that’s a possibility. But I just think the two shot, the two shots for everything is… I, I don’t know. I, and-
[00:19:38] Mike Klinzing: It’s still jarring to me, Rob, when I see that.
[00:19:41] Rob Brost: Yeah.
[00:19:41] Mike Klinzing: When there’s a foul and- Yep … it’s at the end of a game, and it’s out on the floor. Yes. And a player goes to the line and they get two shots. I still, when I watch that-
[00:19:51] Rob Brost: Yes …
[00:19:51] Mike Klinzing: my brain still doesn’t compute that. I’m like why are they shooting two? Where’s the one-on-one?
[00:19:59] Jason Sunkle: Where’s the pressure on that first shot?”
And just- The first, Mike, you shot such good from the free throw. You shot so well from the free throw percentage, you shot two every time anyways Mike.
[00:20:06] Rob Brost: Yeah. That’s
[00:20:07] Mike Klinzing: probably true Yeah, I know, but I’m just saying with just from a watching, from a watching- Yeah … the game standpoint, it just is, it’s jarring to me that the one-on-one just doesn’t exist.
And then we’re going to have a whole generation of kids who don’t even know-
[00:20:20] Rob Brost: Yes …
[00:20:21] Mike Klinzing: what a one-on-one is, which is again, strange to me.
[00:20:24] Rob Brost: I still ask, not a, a lot, but the first year I did, and even last year I’ve asked a couple times “Are, are we one-on-one or are we double bonus? What are we doing?” And “Duh, we don’t even have a one-on-one.
There, it does not exist at all. It’s gone.” And my thing might be a little extreme. The other thing I thought of was that the crowd can only say positive things Period. Now, I know that’s a pie in the sky thing and like it would never happen. But I thought about that when you asked me what…
maybe we could set some rules for the crowd, and they could only say positive things, and they certainly could not yell out instructions. I,
[00:21:09] Jason Sunkle: I- you can’t- There’s a, there’s- …
[00:21:10] Rob Brost: follow your shot. Oh …
[00:21:11] Jason Sunkle: there was a s- I saw, I saw- Take it to the rim … there’s a school that literally does, Rob, that literally does that.
Parents aren’t allowed to say a word for a game. There’s like, they’re not allowed to say a word, and if they say a word, they get kicked out for… They, it’s like a annual tradition. Yeah. They do it. That it’s, and it’s not the silent… I know there’s- No … the silent night- Yeah … situation, but there’s a school that literally-
[00:21:30] Rob Brost: Right
[00:21:30] Jason Sunkle: parents are not allowed to say a word. No one’s, no fans are allowed to say a word. You’re- Yeah … it’s like the weirdest situation ’cause they’re just, all you hear is the b- … basketball and the whistling.
[00:21:39] Rob Brost: I don’t know if the silence would be great, but just you have to be positive, you have to… A- and no instructions from the stands.
And really, I wouldn’t mind no instructions from the coaches either. It almost is irritating to me when coach like, “Get off of two feet, go this, pivot, cut, the…” Really? Man, just let it be for a second. So anyway, those are more pet peeves than they are rules, so I don’t know, I took it in a little tangent right there.
[00:22:03] Mike Klinzing: No, I like that. So I, as, as I asked the question, I started thinking about what would be my, what would be my rules that I would like to see come into the game, and I have- Two, I have one that is selfish because my daughter specifically is a hack, so she’s frequently in foul trouble.
[00:22:23] Rob Brost: Yeah. Yes.
[00:22:24] Mike Klinzing: So that’s one, and then my son is a big who…
He doesn’t get in foul trouble all the time, but he, yeah, does had, has had games over the course- Yeah … of his career where he gets in foul trouble. So my rule change that I’d like to see is just eliminate the you’re disqualified after- Yeah … five or six, but if you want to stay in the game, there is some penalty.
If that player fouls anywhere on the floor, it’s-
[00:22:47] Rob Brost: Yeah …
[00:22:48] Mike Klinzing: free to make two, or it’s some- … there- there’s some penalty for that player remaining on the floor, but they are not disqualified. Yeah. And I don’t know how that would change the game too much, but I know whenever you see a good kid foul out, obviously that has a huge impact- Yes
depending on who that player is. And if it’s your own kid, it has a huge impact.
[00:23:08] Rob Brost: Yes. And even though a kid gets two quick fouls, a lot of coaches will take them out and not- … let them play for the rest of the first half because that’s their philosophy. And I’m not saying that’s good, bad, or indifferent, that’s not particularly mine.
But it totally changes the complexion of the game- Yeah … because you don’t… So even if you’re… So you could leave the kid in, and then if you got to five, then maybe you get the, three for two or whatever, or, two for three, whatever it is- Yeah … scenario. But I’m not… I think you should be the commissioner, Mike.
I think you should- … you should be in charge. Yeah. That’s a good rule.
[00:23:41] Mike Klinzing: I
[00:23:41] Rob Brost: don’t
[00:23:42] Mike Klinzing: know if that would, I don’t know if that would go, I don’t know if that would go well. But nonetheless, that was one I thought of. And then the other one I thought of, which is more radical, is… And I don’t think we could ever realistically do this, but when you go back and you watch basketball from the ’80s and early ’90s, and you watch how players dribbled the ball in the ’80s and ’90s when you and I were kids- Yeah
and our hands were on top of the ball. And if your hand got to right here-
[00:24:11] Rob Brost: Yeah …
[00:24:12] Mike Klinzing: it was a carry.
[00:24:13] Rob Brost: Yes.
[00:24:13] Mike Klinzing: And now you watch guys who literally are coming off screens-
[00:24:17] Rob Brost: Yeah …
[00:24:17] Mike Klinzing: and they’re carrying the ball for two steps like this, and then they dribble the ball again. I would like to just enforce the-
[00:24:26] Rob Brost: Yes
[00:24:27] Mike Klinzing: letter of the law of dribbling for one game for every team during a season just to s-
[00:24:33] Rob Brost: Yeah.
[00:24:34] Mike Klinzing: That would… Just to see what that would look like. I think it would be… I- if nothing else, it would be a, a humorous thing to watch players try to readapt to rules that us dinosaurs used to play under.
[00:24:46] Rob Brost: That’s a good one.
I know my son would-
[00:24:49] Mike Klinzing: No no, I don’t want to do that
[00:24:51] Rob Brost: My son would get called for a lot of carries, that’s for sure. And rightfully so back in the day for sure. But, everybody wants to get twitchy, and we would even work on that with Trey be as twitchy as possible, and a lot of that involves carrying- Yeah
the ball, so to speak. For
[00:25:06] Jason Sunkle: sure.
[00:25:06] Rob Brost: And those things are practiced a lot even now. I- that’s an interesting one as well. I was trying to think of some other ones. I think if the whole goaltending thing, and I think the FIBA rules would be great if we could just enact almost all the FIBA rules and just play like that.
That would be good as well, and I don’t know why people are so opposed to it. And then I would make every, every level be the… Like, why are we playing halves in college and then quarters in every other level? Ha- just play quarters, okay? Make it the time that you want, and then just play the quarters like everybody else does, or just make it two ha- I don’t know.
I would make it somewhat consistent.
[00:25:53] Mike Klinzing: Yeah. I have no idea why col- men’s college basketball still plays halves other than obviously- Yeah … tradition. Yeah. I don’t know if it’s ever… I don’t know how often it’s discussed rules committee-wise or if they have ever come close to… I’ve never heard anything that they’ve come close to-
[00:26:07] Rob Brost: No
[00:26:08] Mike Klinzing: saying we’re going to go to quarters. But you’re right that every, every other… Why? You think money? Why, Jay?
[00:26:13] Jason Sunkle: Because they do TV timeouts every four minutes when you go to-
[00:26:17] Rob Brost: No, you would get- … a quarter … an extra one. You would get another one at the quarter
[00:26:22] Mike Klinzing: You could make it longer.
You could make that one at the quarter longer. I will say, what’s funny about TV timeouts is I remember… So now obviously every single game is TV timeouts, right? Yes. Every college game, regardless is televised media somewhere has TV timeouts. And I remember back when I was playing, not every game was a TV game.
Yeah. So not every game had TV timeouts. And I remember the games where we had TV timeouts just being like-
[00:26:53] Rob Brost: Oh … “
[00:26:54] Mike Klinzing: Can we just play?” Like what-
[00:26:56] Rob Brost: Brutal …
[00:26:57] Mike Klinzing: wh- what is h- what is happening here? Like you get yourself going. It’s like any kid, right? You’re out there playing, you get your sweat going, you’re starting to feel, get a rhythm, whatever.
All of a sudden, eh, TV timeout. But- You have to go sit down. It… I hated it can I
[00:27:08] Jason Sunkle: just push back a little bit on that? Like here’s the thing though. Yeah. Like for the women, for women’s, and I know you don’t watch probably a lot of women’s college basketball, I happen to watch a bit because of the kids that I coached that are playing college basketball.
They take a timeout at the five-minute mark, and then they take a timeout at the quarter. That’s it, unless someone else calls a timeout. So there’s only two mandated timeouts per quarter. That gets you to eight for the game, whereas in men’s college basketball it’s every four minutes. So you got, you get five mandated per half, so you’re at 10.
And all these… i’m just saying I, I guarantee you it’s money, and it’s the dumbest thing because it, it doesn’t make any sense when you look at like college football. But that, I know times run differently in football than it does in, in basketball, but- Yeah … I really think it’s mon- I think it’s 100% money related, and that’s, that, that’s the reason why they haven’t changed it
[00:28:01] Mike Klinzing: Well, that’s how everything happens in college sports, at least at this point.
But just from a pure competitiveness standpoint-
[00:28:08] Rob Brost: Yes …
[00:28:08] Mike Klinzing: I just always was like, “I can’t believe…” And then I’d look around, I’d be like, “How are dudes tired?” Yeah. You get to rest for two and a half minutes every four minutes. Haven’t you ever played on a playground or played for two hours straight?
I just, I couldn’t fathom it back in the day.
[00:28:23] Rob Brost: When we played our first we were just starting to get good as a program, and we played a TV game and they said, we’re going to take it automatic, TV, two per half.” This was for a high school game, obviously, so it wasn’t as many. And I got in there, and then coach would be like, “Coach, you got two more minutes.”
And I was like, “Wait, what? I got two more minutes?” I didn’t know what to… It was like a f- okay, get a drink, like… And so then the next time we play on T- like I, we would stand out with the coaches for the first minute and a half and say, “Okay, get a drink,” whatever.
‘
[00:28:55] Rob Brost: Cause I just like to give a few reminders and then get back out there.
We’re not, splitting atoms during our timeouts. It was definitely an adjustment, what you were saying, how long it is.
[00:29:05] Mike Klinzing: Yeah. It’s… They were they were long. They continue to be long. And to me, it always feels like if I’m a player, I feel like it’s disruptive to-
[00:29:14] Rob Brost: Yes
[00:29:15] Mike Klinzing: me playing if I’m a guy again who’s on the floor all the time. So all right. Those are some good ones. I like- Yeah … I like all of them. I think we should, throw them out there for some different from some different seasons and see what- Make you the commish, Mike. We’re
[00:29:25] Jason Sunkle: going to make you the commish.
[00:29:26] Mike Klinzing: All right.
[00:29:26] Rob Brost: I would. There we go. I said Jay Bilas for college basketball, Mike A for, All right … high school basketball.
[00:29:32] Mike Klinzing: Let’s do it. Let’s do it. I need a job, man. I’m retired. So let’s let’s- … let’s start the campaign. I don’t know where, I don’t know where we have to go to get the petition signed, but we can throw it out there Topic number three.
If someone wrote a book about your coaching career, what would the title be and why?
[00:29:48] Rob Brost: This is going to be, I don’t know if controversial is the right word, but I think if somebody wrote a book about me and my basketball coaching and all of that, the title might be, “This Guy, Really?” Like question mark. This guy from Cedar Falls, Iowa, did X, Y, Z, all of these things and had all of these players and, built a program from…
I’m not trying to build myself up, but from nothing or from scratch to this. And so I mean that in the most humble way possible. I’ve just been fortunate and grateful to, be in the right place at the right time, have a lot of really good players, have good assistants, and then hopefully cultivate some of it myself.
And then gotten some opportunities to go overseas and coach all my, assignments with USA Basketball and coaching Hoop Summit and all of the things. I just feel blessed and, grateful and humbled to be able to do it all and to be able to do it all year in and year out. So I think the title possibly could be, “This Guy, Really?”
This guy from nowhere, Iowa, is doing whatever it is that I’ve done, which, Hall of Fame and all of those things and hopefully this year, I don’t want to jinx it, but 500 wins and, all of the things. And I’ve just been grateful for all of it. And we talk about that with our team sometimes, like you have to take all of it.
You can’t just take the, the wins and, the accolades and all that. You have to take the hard work, you have to take the going to the school, you have to take all of it. And I’m just really thankful and grateful for everything that’s happened to me and how my career has gone.
[00:31:41] Jason Sunkle: If you ha- if you had to pick one person to write your forward of that book, like Rob, who would it be? Man. It could be for any… sorry I threw that one at you. I knew that was a-
[00:31:51] Rob Brost: Man, that’s a good one too before he passed, it would have been Jerry Slikas, my high school coach. That’s a no-brainer.
‘Cause he, he knew me, he came to games, he knew how it started. He knew our, my first couple years were a little rough to say the least. And then he saw it get really good. And then he saw it get really good. Now, yeah, obviously he hasn’t seen the last five or so years because he passed, but he would’ve been absolutely the guy to do the forward, for sure.
Right now, that’s a interesting one.
[00:32:25] Jason Sunkle: Trey? Would Trey write the forward?
[00:32:27] Rob Brost: Yeah. Maybe. He might. I don’t know how complete he would be with his. But then I think of somebody like Coach Showalter who’s a really good friend of mine. Even one of my assistants who’s been with me for really 19 of the 20 years I’ve been at BHS, so he can really speak to all the things that happened and where it was.
And he was the head coach prior to this and, all of the things. So that’s a interesting one, Jason, and a really good question.
[00:33:02] Mike Klinzing: I think This Guy Really, when I hear that title, then I start thinking in my mind like, “Okay, what’s the outline of the book look like? What are the chapters?”
And you can start to kinda lay it out in ways that answer the question, right? Yeah. This Guy Really. And then you start talking about how did Rob get to all these things? And you start talking about just, hey, I got this job and I’m doing the best that I possibly can at this job without the idea that I’m going to eventually- Yeah
be able to work with USA Basketball. I’m going to eventually be able to go over to Italy and work basketball camp, or I’m going to eventually run a powerhouse public school program. And it kinda starts in these different places where it’s not about chasing something, it’s just about I’m in the moment and I’m doing the best job that I possibly can to develop the kids that are in front of me, and to develop yourself, right?
And so-
[00:33:59] Narrator: Yep …
[00:34:00] Mike Klinzing: I think when I start the book and I start trying to think about how do I answer that question, I, to me, I think it starts with that, is that you’re just in a place. You get the job, you love basketball, you do the best job you possibly can, and that opens up the next opportunity to, A, get whatever the next job or the, it, but also- Yeah
it also opens you up for the next opportunity to have an impact on the next kid, the next team that you’re going to have. And so I think in the course of answering that This Guy Really, it starts just with here’s this guy, and yeah, he was just this guy when he started, but this guy did all these things, X, Y, and Z, to be able to get those opportunities.
A lot of people want to skip-
[00:34:48] Rob Brost: Yes …
[00:34:48] Mike Klinzing: the steps and be, they want to be this guy-
…
[00:34:51] Mike Klinzing: Before they were- Yes … this guy- … down here, if that makes sense. And so I can- No
[00:34:55] Rob Brost: doubt …
[00:34:55] Mike Klinzing: I can see the the arc of what the book, of what the book would look like.
[00:35:00] Rob Brost: Yeah. I don’t know if that would be a bestseller or a no-seller, but it would be interesting, at least from my perspective.
I was an average to a little bit above average high school player, was all. I happened to play for one of the best coaches in Iowa, which was really lucky for me. And then, able to just do some things where you’re like really? They’re going with this guy? Okay. Yeah, I guess they are.”
And then, like you said, you just continue to do the best job that you can and see where the chips fall. And it’s funny ’cause Mike Trey just asked like- do you think I can get a high school job after this?” He’s already thinking like steps ahead. D- no, you go and you have the best career that you can.
You know what I mean? So like- Yeah … it’s exactly like what you said just be where your feet are and do the best you can right where you’re at, and then other opportunities will come. And if they don’t come, just keep doing the best you can right where you’re at. So
[00:36:01] Mike Klinzing: Yeah, I agree with that. I think you, you get to a point where you’re like, “All right, I have to just do this and do it the best that I can to the best of my ability.” And when I do that, then that’s when that next opportunity comes to pass and I get a chance to do whatever it is that I do next. Thinking of this theoretical book, this is one of the things, Rob, that I always find to be, I don’t know, I don’t know if amazing is the right word, but to me, when somebody writes a book that is an autobiography or they write a book about a season that they coached or a season that they played or their career, and you go back and they’re talking about game X on January 19th- Right
of 1984, and the, it was the fourth quarter and this happened and whatever, and I’m not one of those people that I can probably– I remember some things about my career- Yeah … but if I tried to put together an arc of games from my playing career or my coaching career and figure out what year it was and which kid was on which team, and there’s some people that have photographic memories for that, or at least they pretend- No
like they do. Where do you fall, where do you fall on the scale of being able to remember a game from nine years ago in January?
[00:37:17] Rob Brost: I can definitely tell you that I remember the losses, the bad losses, quote unquote. a lot easier and more vividly than any of the wins. And certainly we’ve had You know, hundreds and hundreds of wins and just three or four, obviously, bad, quote-unquote, “losses,” and I can certainly remember those.
One of my good friends, Nate Lenzer, who’s at Nebraska right now, said, “There’s losing and there’s relief. That’s all that’s all that there is. You either lose or you’re just relieved that you won.” And that’s how it is a lot of the time. Now, obviously, when I step back and look at the whole process and all of the things, especially as I’m getting a little bit older, now it’s a lot easier for me to look at the big picture and not get as concerned with little minutia that, 15 years ago I was, like, going crazy about, that doesn’t make any bit of difference to me now.
And it’s interesting for sure how you juxtapose all of those things. But I think I, I remember the losses. Even in high school when we lost our opening playoff game and we were ranked number two in the state that is with me forever. And I just… I don’t think about it daily or anything like that, but it’s with me.
And so we’ve had a couple. Two years ago, we had a really… We were upset in the sectional final, and so that was a loss that’s going to stick with me for really forever, but I don’t dwell on it or anything like that. I don’t… it’s not like I can’t get over it, but it’s just, it’s with me, so-
[00:39:02] Jason Sunkle: Yeah, it’s there
[00:39:03] Rob Brost: for sure.
Yeah. It’s there. I don’t know if I can remember the exact players’ names of 15 years ago. I remember situations and what was kinda generally happening at a lot of the games that I coached in and some that I played in way back as well. So I think I’m kinda in the middle of that spectrum, I guess you would say.
[00:39:22] Jason Sunkle: I’m a little more numb to losses now because I’m a Browns fan. So I I’m just used to the losses,
[00:39:29] Rob Brost: that’s your own faults with the Lions. Or the Br- Lions. The Browns.
[00:39:32] Jason Sunkle: Bas- I mean- The Browns … they’re essentially the same. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:39:35] Rob Brost: I’m a
[00:39:35] Mike Klinzing: fan of both of, I’m a fan of both of those teams and as- Okay.
I always say, nobody can accuse me of being a front running football fan because I’ve- That’s it … rooted for the two worst franchises in professional football history- … for the life for my lifetime anyway.
[00:39:48] Rob Brost: Yeah. It’s really- I mean- Wow … it gives you a little character, as they say.
[00:39:51] Mike Klinzing: It does. Yeah. It def- it definitely does.
There’s no doubt about that.
[00:39:55] Rob Brost: Yeah.
[00:39:55] Mike Klinzing: It’s yeah. I… being a Browns and a Lions fan is definitely a is definitely a challenge without- Without question that is true. Yeah. It’s always interesting. I think the photographic memory thing is funny when I hear people… I had a guy I coached with that he would tell a story and be like, “Do you remember when we played Hawken, and it was a Tuesday night, and it was snowing, and we were up by six- Yeah
and there was three minutes to go, and then Steve got a steal, and he took it down the floor, and he head faked, and then the kid jumped, and he hit him on the left arm, and he had to fend him off, and then he made the shot?” And it was… And I’m like, “Dude are you just making this up?” Because I would have no idea- Yeah
if it’s true or it’s not true. I was
[00:40:35] Rob Brost: just
[00:40:35] Mike Klinzing: going to say- I
[00:40:35] Rob Brost: have
[00:40:35] Mike Klinzing: no idea …
[00:40:35] Rob Brost: you don’t know if they’re- Yeah … actually remembering- Yeah … or if they just are-
[00:40:39] Mike Klinzing: … Telling a- Are they just a great, are they just a great storyteller- Yeah … or do they actually remember these things that- Exactly right … happened? And I have no i- I have no idea.
So if you’re a good storyteller you can, you could get away with it. So- Yeah,
[00:40:50] Rob Brost: that’s right …
[00:40:50] Mike Klinzing: it’s all good. So all Jay, you ready?
[00:40:53] Jason Sunkle: Overtime. I’m, are you ready, Rob, for the… But you are not prepped for this one.
[00:40:56] Rob Brost: Overtime. This
[00:40:58] Jason Sunkle: is overtime. Okay, overtime. This is overtime. So those of you that listen to this podcast know that Rob is a basketball coach.
You may or may not know that he is a Disney person like I am. Rob Brost, your Mount Rushmore of Disney attractions. Go.
[00:41:11] Rob Brost: Whoa, man. I think Tron now has moved way up. Okay. Tron has moved way up, and I think… But I still think my f- number one is Flight of Passage.
[00:41:20] Jason Sunkle: Okay.
[00:41:20] Rob Brost: That’s my number one, and this is just me.
My family would… My daughter and my wife are huge Disney fans. But for me personally, Flight of Passage, one. I would probably go Tron, two. And then I’m going to throw in one that will be a little controversial. I’m going to go Soarin’, three.
[00:41:40] Jason Sunkle: Okay. ‘
[00:41:41] Rob Brost: Cause I like just the feel of that ride, and it’s relaxing and I can just relax- Okay
on there. So those are it. Those are my three.
[00:41:49] Jason Sunkle: I- that’s funny, ’cause none of those are on my list.
[00:41:52] Rob Brost: That- that’s why it’s great. You can-
[00:41:54] Jason Sunkle: It’s… Like Guardians has to be on the list.
[00:41:56] Rob Brost: Guardians was very good. I
[00:41:58] Jason Sunkle: will admit- Guardians has to be on the list. Tower of Terror has to be on the list.
[00:42:02] Rob Brost: Yeah. I don’t mind. I’m not a huge Tower of Terror fan in, just in general
[00:42:09] Jason Sunkle: It’s just the theming is just so good. Yes. I love it. That is
[00:42:11] Rob Brost: true.
[00:42:12] Jason Sunkle: I agree. And then if I was throwing an old school one, Splash, would it be in there for me? For sure. Yeah. I know that’s definitely controversial- Yeah
but it’s just- Yeah … it has just the classic.
[00:42:21] Rob Brost: Yes.
[00:42:23] Jason Sunkle: So then-
[00:42:23] Rob Brost: But I’m not i’m a Disney fan for sure. But because I was-
[00:42:26] Jason Sunkle: you’re definitely a, you’re definitely an early bird like me, though.
[00:42:29] Rob Brost: Yeah. You’re definitely- Oh, dude, we’re… That’s all my wife. We are the first ones. If we’re not sitting at the rope, having breakfast, then something went way off.
But I like Disney in large part because I’m with my family. We don’t worry about anything else. We just have fun together. If we want to go back and take a nap, we can. If you want to ride rides and stay, you can. So I think it’s, I think it’s
[00:42:52] Jason Sunkle: great. Mike has no opinion on Disney. Mike has no- Yeah
Disney opinion on Disney.
[00:42:56] Mike Klinzing: That’s okay. Tower of Terror. I heard of… I heard… I’ve ridden that before. Tower of Terror, I’ve ridden that. Okay. The only other one I… Splat- What? Splash Mountain, is that… I thought that was in- It’s not there anymore. It’s gone …
[00:43:04] Jason Sunkle: I
[00:43:05] Mike Klinzing: thought that was… Wasn’t that in California?
Wasn’t there a Splash Mountain in California? They
[00:43:08] Jason Sunkle: have one. They have one in s- They have one, they had one in California. They had one in Disney. They over-themed it with Tiana’s. Now, you could still ride Splash Mountain. You have to go to Japan or China. One of the two has it.
[00:43:18] Rob Brost: It’s basically the same ride, just themed differently.
[00:43:21] Jason Sunkle: Yeah.
[00:43:22] Mike Klinzing: Yeah.
[00:43:22] Rob Brost: Gotcha.
[00:43:22] Mike Klinzing: Okay. All right. Yeah. The other ones you guys are talking about, I never have heard of, so I, I have no op- Yeah … I have no opinion
[00:43:27] Rob Brost: on those. But the new r- the new rides at Disney are really good. Guardians, very good. Tron, I’m not a huge rollercoaster guy, but my family was like, “You have to go on these two,” so I did.
And they’re great. And we’re a Disney family guilty as charged.
[00:43:42] Jason Sunkle: There you go
[00:43:44] Rob Brost: Yeah
[00:43:45] Mike Klinzing: There you have it That’s it. So we got not only basketball advice, but vacation advice. So if you’re- … planning to head down to Orlando and you want to hear from these two guys about their favorite rides and where you should immediately head when the park opens, you got some options now- Yeah
of where you can- I mean- … where you can go.
[00:44:01] Rob Brost: You should-
[00:44:01] Mike Klinzing: Get right there … you
[00:44:01] Rob Brost: should get in contact with Sarah Bros, ’cause you will never have to wait in a line, you will always be where you’re supposed to be, and it is organized and to the T.
[00:44:10] Mike Klinzing: See, you guys, Rob, when you retire, this is a job that you guys could put together a-
a Disney travel agency of- we- … the insiders guide to Disney … we have sons. I know there are lots of people out there doing it already, but I have
[00:44:21] Rob Brost: confidence- I have sons …
[00:44:21] Mike Klinzing: you
[00:44:22] Rob Brost: could pull it off. My wife could do it. I could not do it, ’cause-
[00:44:24] Jason Sunkle: I, I-
[00:44:25] Rob Brost: But my wife could do it for sure …
[00:44:27] Jason Sunkle: I am the go-to person in my s- in my building when people have to do- Yeah
lightning lanes or have to do- Yes …
[00:44:32] Rob Brost: dining
[00:44:32] Jason Sunkle: reservations. You- I’m not lying to you. There was a, a per- a, a family that, s- someone who was going to Disney, and they’re like, “Will you meet, will you be at school at 6:30 on this day when I have to make-” “… dining reservations and help?” Yes. And and I was literally logged in on my phone in their account helping that doing dining reservations while they were doing the other reservations.
[00:44:50] Rob Brost: You have to do it like that or else you can’t… we talk about it all. Can you imagine not knowing what to do? If we didn’t have mom with us, how awful this trip would be. Obviously mom is my wife, but what would we do?
[00:45:03] Jason Sunkle: It’s the round. This is a, this is another good one. Just, so like back when in the n- late ’90s, like- Do you remember doing fast passes in the late ’90s at Disney?
Yes. Oh, yeah.
[00:45:13] Rob Brost: You’re
[00:45:14] Jason Sunkle: running- So you… Mike, Mike- Yeah … you, I was running through the park with all the tickets, ’cause you had to take the tickets- Yes … and go to a… It was not on the phone or anything, obviously. You had to run through the park, and you had to take the tickets and put them in a machine, and it would spit out a FastPass, and it would say what time you had to return.
So I will always remember-
[00:45:32] Rob Brost: Yeah …
[00:45:32] Jason Sunkle: at Hollywood Studio, at the old Hollywood Studios-
[00:45:35] Rob Brost: Yeah …
[00:45:35] Jason Sunkle: I would run to Toy Story Land and get the, the, get one of the to- the Toy Story Mania or something, and then I would run back to Tower of… When… And I, we would, I would beat m- I would do my best- Yeah … to get to Tower of Terror when they would get…
They would walk to Tower of Terror. I would sprint in the park and do that. Or when we went to Magic Kingdom, I would sprint- Yes … to Splash Mountain, get the FastPasses, and then I would sprint to Space Mountain and we would ride that.
[00:45:59] Rob Brost: Yes. And- You would have four or five hardcore dads at the rope drop being told by their wives what to do.
In the, in my case. And then go. Now I couldn’t do it ’cause I can just fast walk ’cause I’m old and fat and all the things. But back in the day, that’s exactly what was happening “Go,” and you would have to get to-
[00:46:17] Jason Sunkle: And- …
[00:46:17] Rob Brost: you know- …
[00:46:17] Jason Sunkle: and that was when I was- … all of those things … a cross country runner, like a legit- Yeah
cross country runner. So I was, like, moving. You had a huge advantage. Yeah. And the, and I was like 17 years old, and I’m running through the park, and I’m, I’m- Yeah … these old dads are trying to run with me, and they’re like- Yes … “Ah.” It was like a competition. Hey,
[00:46:30] Mike Klinzing: so listen I cannot relate to this in any way when it comes to doing this at Disney.
But I can definitely relate to running places when I was a high schooler, and I can honestly say that when I would do that, I would always have the Monday Night Football theme song playing in my head. Bum bum. And then you’d have- Yes … you’d do whatever your, whatever your team… And that’s what I would be picturing myself, as I’m picturing you two doing this in Disney- Who Let the Dogs Out was always in my head
the
[00:46:56] Jason Sunkle: Monday night. That was always my pump-up song. Yeah. Who Let the Dogs Out by Baha. All
[00:46:58] Mike Klinzing: right. Okay. There you go. Yeah. All right. It’s great. You’re a little young- You’re a little youn- you’re a little younger than me and Rob. Yes. So that was, Yes … you know- That is true … I don’t know if that, I don’t know if that one qualifies, but yeah.
Okay. That’s true. So there’s some good visuals here. Jason running through- Yeah … the park with Who Let the Dogs Out. Rob- Yeah … ready to knock out some security guy to get- Yeah … get get under the rope to get on the first-
[00:47:19] Rob Brost: That is true …
[00:47:19] Mike Klinzing: get on the first ride. I see how it is. I see how it is.
[00:47:22] Rob Brost: That’s right. Been through a lot. So all
[00:47:23] Mike Klinzing: right. Well-
[00:47:23] Rob Brost: Been through a lot …
[00:47:25] Mike Klinzing: absolutely. All right. Disney advice, basketball advice. There’s nowhere else you can get both. Life advice. There’s nowhere else.
[00:47:32] Rob Brost: Yeah.
[00:47:32] Mike Klinzing: Life advice. Listen, we do it all here on the HoopHeadz podcast. So triple-double number 26, gentlemen, it’s in the books. Thank you, guys, and thanks to everyone for listening tonight. And we will catch you on our next episode. Thanks.
[00:47:47] Narrator: Thanks for listening to the Hoop Heads Podcast, presented by Head Start Basketball.