“THE TRIPLE DOUBLE” #24 WITH ROB BROST, BOLINGBROOK (IL) HIGH SCHOOL BOYS’ BASKETBALL HEAD COACH – EPISODE 1229

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The 24th edition of “The Triple Double” with Rob Brost, Bolingbrook (IL) High School Boys’ Basketball Head Coach. Rob, Mike, & Jason hit on three basketball topics in each episode of “The Triple Double”.

1. What does your locker room talk sound like after you lose the final game of your season?
2. What is your process for reviewing the season to begin preparing for the next one?
3. What is the spring/summer plan for Rob’s son Trey who graduates this year and is headed to Michigan Tech next season? No AAU basketball so how does he get ready for his freshman year of college basketball?

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What We Discuss with Rob Brost

• What does your locker room talk sound like after you lose the final game of your season?
• What is your process for reviewing the season to begin preparing for the next one?
• What is the spring/summer plan for Rob’s son Trey who graduates this year and is headed to Michigan Tech next season? No AAU basketball so how does he get ready for his freshman year of college basketball?

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TRANSCRIPT FOR “THE TRIPLE DOUBLE” #24 WITH ROB BROST, BOLINGBROOK (IL) HIGH SCHOOL BOYS’ BASKETBALL HEAD COACH – EPISODE 1229

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Hello and welcome to The Hoop Heads Podcast. It’s Mike Klinzing here without my cohost Jason Sunkle tonight. But I’m pleased to welcome back in Triple Double. Or double in this case. Number 24, Rob Brot, head boys, basketball coach at Bolingbrook High School in the state of Illinois. Rob, welcome back

[00:02:29] Rob Brost: Thanks for having me again. 24. That’s a crazy number. We’re just going to keep piling them up and see what we can do. Maybe we can get to bam out of bio at some point, but that’s a story for another pod.

[00:02:41] Mike Klinzing: Whew, man. 83 1 crazy to score 83 2, I don’t know how far down, Jason and I talked about this on the NBA pod last night.

How far down the list of NBA players that if you would, would’ve said, Hey, somebody’s going to score 83. Yeah. How far down that list is? Bam? We said probably at least. 75 or 80 guys. Yeah, you’d probably put ahead of him to score. Yes. 83. It’s nuts. So

[00:03:09] Rob Brost: yeah, it’s crazy. Crazy. But good for him and you can say what you want, but 83 is 83 I guess so.

[00:03:16] Mike Klinzing: That’s right.

[00:03:16] Rob Brost: I know there’s a lot of factors, but good for him. You

[00:03:19] Mike Klinzing: You score 83 points in any game at any level. I don’t care what you’re doing. That is a lot of points. So

[00:03:26] Rob Brost: no

[00:03:26] Mike Klinzing: doubt. Kudos, no doubt. Kudos to bam for that. Alright, we’re going to dive right into our topics for tonight.

So the first one, Rob, that I sent you is one that I’ve thought about this a lot just in terms of seasons ending, right? As a coach, as a player, I’ve had lots of seasons end. So I’ve been in locker rooms where obviously most of the time that season ends with. Loss. I’ve seen it for my kids and asked them hey, what does your coach say to you in the locker room when the game’s over?

The season’s over? You don’t know how everybody’s going to react. You don’t know exactly what the emotional mood of that room is going to be like. So let’s just go to maybe in general, do you have a thought process and then specifically to this season, and maybe you can give people a quick recap of how your season ended too, just to give them some context.

Yeah.

[00:04:22] Rob Brost: This is a fitting topic given last week or so of our particular season. And then, obviously fitting for most coaches because this is the time within the last two weeks or so that the season comes to an end or is about to come to an end. And I always have a plan for what I’m going to say if it’s our last game, but I never.

Let the team know that I have a plan that it’s going to, that it could be the last game. And this season was a little unique in that, in the sectional semi-final, so we had won several games in the playoffs leading up to the sectional semi-final. We played a 32 in one team that had beaten us earlier in the season, and we ended up beating them.

By 15 or so. But I would say probably we were the underdog depending on who you ask. And we ended up beating them. And then in the sectional final we played the number one team in the state who we gave them their toughest game of the season, but they beat us and they’re playing in the state finals tomorrow.

And those games, both teams had one loss. The teams that we were playing going into those games. So either one of those games could have been our last game or we could have kept playing. And so you have to be prepared in general for both. But I really try to plan with the team like, we’re going to win.

During the regular season, I give the guys a heads up what’s coming the week ahead when we practice, what games we have coming up, what special events there are, where the games will be, just highlights of the thing. And so I do that during the playoffs as well. And the day before we played Bennett, who ended up beating us, who was the number one team in the state currently in Illinois the day before we played them, I said, okay, after Friday’s game, we’re going to take Saturday off of the court.

We’re just going to watch film. And then we’ll come back Sunday and start preparing for the super sectional, which would’ve been Monday. And so they all I just act. I shouldn’t say act like we’re going to win, I just plan on winning. Obviously as a coach, you need to be somewhat prepared for the end, depending on how it went, during that game.

And each year is a little bit different with that and I take it as it comes. And it, it depends a little bit how the game went. Not this past week, but last year was a crushing loss and we got upset. We didn’t play very well. And no one expected us to lose. No one except for maybe one or two players on the other team, or probably most of their players thought we were going to beat them.

And so that was crushing. So that’s a little bit different than this year, which happened just a week ago when we lost to the number one team in the state. And there was probably people in our locker room who didn’t believe we had a chance to win, although I we did have a chance. But anyways, so I think you, you’re prepared for.

Anything but what you’re not prepared for is how that game is going to go, how that game is going to end, and the feeling you have, right after the game. And typically with our guys, everyone is sad the last game, every single person in there. And that was no different, less than a week ago as we’re doing this pod.

And this one was a special one because my son is our starting point guard, so that would be the last time that I’m coaching him so that there’s some significance there as well. I think you prepare for both sides of it, but you can’t really get completely compared for how it’s going to be or prepared for how it’s going to be until you get in there.

And a lot of it I go by feel, just like we talk about sometimes at practice, I go by feel and this year in particular was a special group in large part because my son was such a big part of it. And that was the last time I’m going to get to do that with him. It just depends on the group, depends on the circumstance and depends on, expectation I guess has a lot to do with it as well.

[00:08:28] Mike Klinzing: What are some of the things that you think about that you want to make sure you include as you’re walking through that preparation process and thinking about obviously the season? In totality. You’re probably thinking about some individual stories. You’re thinking about some of the guys who have been with you for four years, particularly your seniors, clearly.

[00:08:53] Rob Brost: Yeah.

[00:08:53] Mike Klinzing: So what are some of the things that you’re trying to visualize? Obviously, as you said, the game can go any number of directions, right? And you can lose in any number of ways. Yes. Which can obviously impact the way that you deliver your message. But what are some of the core things that you typically like to think about that you want to be a part of that message?

[00:09:15] Rob Brost: I want them to know that it’s not sad because we lost necessarily. It’s sad because we won’t get to do this practice team meals, games with this group as it’s composed right now, ever. Again, that’s why. It’s sad, and I want them to also understand everyone’s upset in here because they care so much about the other people that are in here.

And I haven’t experienced this much, but in my first year or two, it was just a totally different feeling. Okay, season’s over. Turn your stuff in. Let’s get out of here. That’s not the feeling anymore with any of our teams. And I want them to understand, meaning the players that they feel the way they do, because everyone in that room cares about each other outside of basketball.

And the basketball piece is what brings us together, but. The reason why you’re upset right now isn’t because we’ve lost, because we’ve lost games before. It’s because this group, as it’s comprised right now, will never get to do this again. There’s not another film session, there’s not another practice.

There’s not another game. You don’t get to do this again with this group. And and with that, as I, hitting those points, I also add in a couple things that happen during the year. This doesn’t happen with every group and this particular thing, whatever that is for that group, doesn’t happen with every group.

And you can turn to some of the things that brought your group closer together. And some of them may be funny stories. Some of the hardships. Some of the conflict. But there again, you have to just read the group. Read the feeling. Sometimes it’s short, sometimes it’s a little bit longer.

Sometimes guys jump in. This year Trey said, can I say a few words before we leave? And everyone’s crying and those things. And then he spoke for, a couple minutes. And we’ve had that happen before. Sometimes the assistants go for a long time, sometimes they don’t. You just have to read the group and read the situation, I guess more than anything.

But the one thing that I really try to get them to understand, and that’s just not after the last game, but that’s that basketball is what brings us together, but now we’re stuck with each other. This is a lifelong deal and you wouldn’t be upset about this. If you didn’t, the people that are in here, and a lot of times it’s hard for 16 and 17 year olds, and quite frankly for adult men as well, to admit that they love the people that are in the room.

And that’s what I want them to get. And our pre-game, no matter what game it is, the first game of the last game we talk about at the end, we talk about playing hard, playing smart, playing together. And then the last thing I have is the word love and it’s circle. And we talk about loving each other no matter what happens.

Win, lose, get a technical, lose the game, whatever happens, we’re going to love each other. And if you’re not. Willing to do that and willing to accept that, then you shouldn’t be in this room. And so that’s a constant message, but it really gets driven home after that last game because now you have to show it.

Now you have to show that you love this guy, even if you don’t talk to him for a week. Or, we have a pretty big school, so sometimes you won’t see guys in the hallway, so you might not see a guy for a day or two and then you bump into, things like that. And obviously, and like this year, I told them how important it was.

We’re playing the number one team in the state and I’m getting text after text from former players about, Hey coach, good luck. Bring it home. All of those things. And I shared that with, I shared that with the guys after the game. You have no idea the impact that you have had, not only on our student body.

The community, but also on former players. So I just want them to know that we love them and that they’re loved and it doesn’t have anything to do with how they play or how many games we win.

[00:13:20] Mike Klinzing: It’s funny that you talk about, again, the fact that it’s the last time, right? We’re all going to be in this room together as a team, and then once you leave that locker room for that last time, you’re used to, in the rhythm of the se season, seeing everybody every day.

You’re,

[00:13:39] Rob Brost: yeah.

[00:13:39] Mike Klinzing: School ends and you’re going to practice. And like you said, when you’re in a big school, you don’t see everybody every day in the hallways or you don’t have class, or you’re in a different grade than them and whatever. And my daughter’s team, when they lost their final game, and obviously again, everybody’s upset, they’re in the locker room for a long time and people come out and there’s tears and you’re talking to them and whatever.

And then over the next couple days. My daughter comes home and just says to me, I can’t believe we don’t. I picked her up from school. I can’t believe we don’t have practice. I just miss seeing, I miss seeing everyone as much as you miss and love the sport itself. It really is. Yeah. And you and I have talked about this a bunch.

The sport is the connective tissue.

[00:14:25] Narrator: No

[00:14:25] Mike Klinzing: doubt that bonds the people together. And that’s what makes it so special is that we love the game of basketball and we’re able to combine that love with the love for the people that we get to spend all that this time with. And it was something that, again, I didn’t necessarily expect her to say that to me.

That, Hey, I miss going to practice and I just don’t see everybody every day the way. I used to I don’t have class with so and now I don’t get to see them and I miss them. And that’s again, just a testament to what power sports and a team and a locker room that you don’t really get that anywhere else.

And to me that’s what, when you think about the lessons that you’re trying to impart through sports or the lessons that you want your kids to learn or you want your players to learn, is that there’s a connectivity that goes with the adversity and the resilience and the challenge that a season and being a team presents that is going to continue to carry with you throughout your life.

And I think that’s the kind of message that you’re trying to send at the end when everybody’s upset. And there’s only so much you can say, but to focus on the people part of it, I think is really critical. And it sounds like that’s what, that’s what you’re trying to do.

[00:15:44] Rob Brost: That’s what we attempt to do, regardless of if it’s the first game, the last game.

But it’s, it’s, of real focus when it’s the last game. Like an emphasis. Yeah. And it’s hard. It’s always hard. And but that’s why you do it because if it was easy then everyone would just do it. Yeah. And everyone would just win all the time. That’s what makes it hard.

And, we talk about just little things like. Tomorrow, whenever, tomorrow is, you need to go to class and you need to be on time. And you can’t just pack it in because that’s not the type of people that we’re we can’t be that type of people. And if you want to be that type of person, that’s fine.

You can do it, but you just can’t be a part of this then. And we talk about those things all the time as well. Like especially after a tough loss or you’re not feeling exactly great, we’re not going to sleep in and take a half day tomorrow. And just so you can come to practice, we’re going to go to all of our class.

And it sounds like of course you’re going to go to, but that it’s human nature. It’s the way that. Humans are built. So anybody that tells me we don’t have those issues. Yes you do. You do. Because that’s how humans behave and that’s how people feel after things get really hard. And that was one of the things, and it was certainly gut wrenching, after this loss here less than a week ago.

But one of the things I said now you can’t lose your mind when you get out of here. You get, you have to go to class, you still have to be polite to your parents. You have to be nice to your sister, you have to go to your class all time. You have to turn in your, just things like that. And I think.

The head coach and the coaching staff kind of set the tone for that. I’m going to be at school the next day, period. I’m not going to, I’m not going to do that. And it starts with the coaches obviously, but then it trickles down all the way to your best players and then, the whole squad.

I just hope they know, and I’m confident that they do that. I love them regardless. It doesn’t matter how they play, if they play or how well they play, that I’m going to love them exactly the same. And then hopefully that gets reciprocated too. But I’m dealing with, 16 and 17 year olds and so that might not get reciprocated and that’s okay.

And that’s just this part of the deal.

[00:18:00] Mike Klinzing: Being said, going to school the day after a loss, Rob. That’s the worst man. That is the

[00:18:04] Rob Brost: worst. Yeah. It’s really, it’s the worst. It’s really hard. Now, luckily, our last loss was on a Friday. Okay? So we didn’t have school until Monday. But, when we left the court, I remember this almost if we won, we lost.

But when we were walking off the court, the ovation that our, it was sold out, the game was sold out, a day and a half before our crowd. It was deafening. The, the, the clapping and the yelling and the screaming and all the things, and we had just lost. And just that alone, lifts you up and makes you realize how special it is when you just lost and your whole 2000 people that are there for you.

Are just clapping. There’s no tomorrow praising how we played and how well we played and what kind of season we had. And so that made a huge difference to the tone of my delivery in the post game as well, because they heard that they could see that, they could hear it, and most of all they could feel it.

And so that’s the thing that’s the most critical is you feel a certain way. And if you didn’t feel a certain way, then I haven’t been doing my job, right? Like I, I didn’t do a very good job with these guys. If they don’t want to come back and they don’t want to be a part of this, they want to be a part of this.

And so that makes it all okay. The losing and everything that comes with it.

[00:19:42] Mike Klinzing: There’s no doubt about that, right? It’s all in your perspective, right? In your approach and how you look at it. And I think when you start talking about being able to do that, clearly, when you have the connections and you feel like you’ve left everything that you’ve had out on the floor, not only that night, but just throughout the season and throughout your career, it does make it much more, again, you can have a perspective, right?

Everybody’s going to feel a certain way, but you can have a perspective on, would’ve liked to have won. This game meant a lot to me. We didn’t win it. We can bounce back. There’s still good things ahead for our team, me as an individual, you as a coach whatever it may be. I think that, again, it’s a difficult spot to be in, but as you said, almost every coach in America, at every level of basketball there are.

Relatively few that get to end their season with a happy congratulatory speech that we’ve just won a state title or a tournament championship or a national championship or whatever it is. Most of us have to make the opposite speech and to be able to think about it. I was just curious, again, to get your perspective on if you thought about it beforehand very much, or was it more just a spur of the moments thing?

So it’s obviously

[00:20:59] Rob Brost: you, I de I definitely think about it. I definitely think about it, but I don’t give any indication to the team that I’m thinking

[00:21:04] Mike Klinzing: about it.

Correct.

[00:21:06] Rob Brost: And

When you sit in my seat, you have to prepare for just about anything.

Myriads of different things happen. So anyways you definitely think about it for sure.

[00:21:23] Mike Klinzing: Yeah. It’s the idea of visualizing, right? Trying to put yourself in this situation so that you know how to react best to be able to give your team and your kids what they need in the moment. And in order to be able to do that, it’s much better to be proactive than reactionary.

You’re going to get a lot better result when you’re proactive without question. So that kind of leads to topic number two, which also relates to season end. And that is once your season is over, what is your process for reviewing the season? How long do you step away before you revisit, do you immediately revisit and then step away?

What are some of the things that you are looking at as the season ends? Just give me your process for going through and reviewing a season.

[00:22:12] Rob Brost: I try to take, and I was just describing this to one of our football coaches, assistant football coaches today. So for example, this week I tried to not do any Raider basketball, because I like watching basketball and I’ve still come home and I’ve got it on and I’m watching former players, Tyler Cochran, tonight at 33 for Rhode Island.

He’s one of my former players. So of course I love watching that. Michael from Missouri State he’s one of my former players. He had 31 last night. So that brings me joy. So I’m not shutting down basketball in totality, but I try to take about a week where there’s no Raider basketball. Not, no Raider basketball.

Obviously, if a player comes to me with an issue or somebody wants to talk, obviously I’m not going to say, no, this is my shutdown week. This week I’ve done no. Preparation for anything. I haven’t started planning the banquet. I haven’t, thought about summer leagues. I haven’t thought about any of that stuff.

But come Monday I will jump right into that. Assistant evaluations, postseason meetings what are spring is going to look like, what our summer schedule looks like, all the things that, that come with being a head coach at a school of my size with the success that we’ve had, all of that. And I try to decompress from it a little bit, but I’m already getting a little anxious Hey, maybe I should start on those assistant coach evaluations.

But I, I don’t, I like, I thought about that today in my office. Hey, I’m not really doing much right this moment. Why don’t I just, and I didn’t do it because I make myself just not do it, if that makes sense. And I try to take about a week usually, and then right back to normalcy, I guess you would say.

Like for example, tomorrow Susie and I are going to a Toby Mac concert. That’s my daughter. That’s one of the things we do. We’re driving to Milwaukee and doing that. So I’m spending the day with her, and there’s basketball on all day tomorrow, and I’m not going to be watching any, I’m just going to spend the day with her, go to that concert and off, off we go.

It’s the first thing I do is try to decompress just a little bit as much as I can, and then it’s right back into it. Like I said, we’re planning the banquet assistant evaluations. Postseason meetings with all the guys improvement plans for all of them, what the workouts are going to look like, what all the things are going to look like as we move forward.

What summer events are we playing in the schedule for next year? I had two guys call me today inviting us to play events and I said, can you please just call me back on Monday? Monday? I haven’t even looked at the calendar, nothing. It’ll get fired back up first thing on Monday, and then I’ll jump right back in and start it all up again.

[00:24:55] Mike Klinzing: So would you say more of what you’re thinking about is looking forward as opposed to. Looking back or how much looking back do you do in terms of thinking about, Hey, we did this, or here’s what worked, here’s what didn’t work. At this point with, as long as you’ve been there, it’s probably more looking forward, right?

Because you have figured out what the process is.

[00:25:18] Rob Brost: I don’t look back very much. Obviously there’s things I would’ve done different a couple coaches called me that are playing the te the number one team in the state here coming up. And what would you do, especially the four.

Still in doubt. And I told them what, their team is way different than my team. So it, it’s, a lot of times those things are, you say what you would do with your team, but then the other guy doesn’t have your team. He has his own team. And I don’t look back very much.

I I just don’t I, and especially this year, I’ll do even less because to be quite honest, I get a little emotional when I think about the tray stuff and all the things and all of the time and all of the. He put in and that we’re not going to do it again together like that. And so I try to just move it forward and be where my feet are, if that makes sense.

And I don’t do a lot of looking back. Obviously we’re going to evaluate the season and when I talk to players, part of the season is going to come up and come up. We might even watch some film with one or two of them about this and what they can do and all of those things. But it won’t be game specific or anything like that.

It’ll just be individualized to the player. And I try to just move it forward as best we can. Especially this year we, we had. Outstanding year with the Hawaii trip and all the things that we have to do and all the things we accomplished and the individual things that our guys are getting honors with today.

We got three guys named Allstate today. Those things come with it when you do it the right way. And I try to just mostly look forward, if that makes sense.

[00:27:03] Mike Klinzing: It does. And I think when, like I said, you have a program that has had as much success as you’ve been able to have.

It’s not like you’re in your first year where you’re looking back and saying, okay, what do we have to do in order to change this process or figure this particular routine out? Those things have all kind of been ironed out to this point, and maybe there’s one or two small tweaks that you might look at based on personnel or personalities or whatever it might be.

Yes, no doubt, but for the most part, again, completely makes sense why you would be looking forward and looking ahead to what you need to do with your guys that are returning to continue to build on the success that you’ve had. So I think that completely makes sense.

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[00:28:29] Mike Klinzing: Alright, topic number three, and as you said before, we jumped on here. It’s an interesting one because you’ve had some discussions around this topic, and I know that a couple years ago when my son was in this position of having played out his senior year, and then for however, num, many number of years, eight years or so, your season ends and then you go play AAU basketball in the spring.

And when you’re a high school player, you go and play in July and that’s your basketball. And you’re able to find obviously competition in that area. And now all of a sudden here you are as a senior, you graduated, you’re on your way to play college basketball and there’s nowhere official for you to be able to play.

So what have you guys talked, what have you guys talked about? What’s the plan? What have you figured out? What advice have people been giving you? I’m just curious what you’ve come up with.

[00:29:26] Rob Brost: I don’t know if I’ve figured any of it out, but it is, my wife and I were talking about this yesterday.

It’s bizarre because. Our season ended and then I see all these things like, elevate, that’s the top one of the top Under Armour programs. They started their PR practices and their workouts this week for anybody that’s not playing, still playing whatever. And so I said, we don’t have to drive, we don’t have to go there.

And it’s an hour each way, of course. And they practice the late slot because they’re the oldest. So we don’t have to get home at 11:30 PM twice a week or three times a week. We don’t have to do that anymore. And it is a kind of a weird feeling. We’re not planning our trips to Atlanta and Ohio and Indianapolis and Kansas City and LA and all the places.

And but then it brings up the reality of it. What is best for Trey and what’s going to prepare him the best? He gets to Michigan Tech and he’s taking this whole week completely off. Like he, and I’m actually proud of him for this. He hasn’t worked out, touched a basketball, nothing, no weights, no anything.

He’s done some stretching and a little bit of that, but not much. But then on Monday here he is going to start. One of the things I’m concerned about, and maybe I can even ask you how I think he’s going to get plenty of time in the weight room and plenty of time, individual skill work with the trainer and plenty of shots up.

But I’m a little concerned, he’s a point guard so he has to get some game flow, some because he’s a point guard and you don’t get that unless you play. And I’m a little. Nervous isn’t the right word, but, I don’t know how to handle a couple pieces with that. And the main one is how does he get some game action in like at least once a week?

And then number two, how does he get it without playing against people that are out to get, them isn’t really the right word, but like to show that they’re better than him or oh, he thinks he’s going to school for free. Watch this. I don’t want that either, because I don’t want, stupidity happening in an open run and all of that stuff.

We were, I was talking about it with one of my assistants who’s pretty young and just joined my staff and I said, do you think we can get, it’s easy in the summer because a bunch of former players are back and then you can play with them and no one’s really trying to outdo people.

They’re just, they want to get good runs in and, everybody has their colleges that they’re going to, or their professional teams that they’re going back to. So no one’s really trying to like. Show anybody up or show that they’re better than that person. They just want good, hard clean runs. And they do it for an hour and then they go home.

And I want to get him involved with something like that. But I don’t know where to get it, where we can find enough players like we can in the summer that are mostly my returning players. And it brings up some challenges that I quite honestly hadn’t thought about before until we got here to this point.

And so there’s definitely some unique things about it and some unique challenges for sure.

[00:32:32] Mike Klinzing: So what I will say is my reaction was very similar to yours when Cal finished up his senior year. And then we’re looking at it going, okay, what does he do now? How do we get him an opportunity? To play, right?

Just like you said, you can get in the gym by yourself or with somebody else to just work on your skills. And you can obviously get in the weight room and you can train and you can do those kinds of things without any problem. And in a lot of ways, you have more time to do that because you’re not traveling again, all over the place to different venues on the weekends and you’re not traveling for practice.

And so you have more time to get some of that individual stuff. But the challenge is how do you find games? And I will say that you have a built in advantage being at your school and having the alums that you have, so that in the summertime you do have those runs and you can come back and you have a gym.

And so you can open up that gym, not only maybe to guys who are your alums, but. Guys, that maybe played at neighboring schools and people that you played against, and

[00:33:38] Rob Brost: no doubt

[00:33:38] Mike Klinzing: kids that, your kids that your players have relationships with and all that kind of thing. So that’s a huge, I think, piece of being able to find that.

That’s really something that, again, I’m sure that Trey will obviously take advantage of. One of the things that I found with Cal is what we tried to do and what mostly his lead, but me just prodding and trying to help facilitate the process, is they tried to put together a list of guys that were playing college basketball that he had either played with or played against.

Yep. And at one point, like last summer, we had a list and he had the text thread of maybe 18, 19, 20 guys. And even that, it was a challenge, a, to find a facility that would just,

[00:34:22] Rob Brost: yes,

[00:34:23] Mike Klinzing: open up for guys to just come in and play again where you’re not. Yep. Renting the gym or having to pay for it or having whatever.

So that was number one. And then number two, you would think with 18, 19, 20 guys who are all either playing or in that case were about to play college basketball, like to me it just seems like guys would be jumping at any moment to be able to try to find a game with other competitive players.

[00:34:54] Rob Brost: Yes.

[00:34:54] Mike Klinzing: And would want to play, but to try to find a time and a location

[00:34:59] Rob Brost: Yes.

[00:35:00] Mike Klinzing: Where you could get enough guys to be able to actually show up and play. It turned out to be a challenge. So like last summer, which would’ve been after his freshman year in college, I think out of that text chain, they maybe played over the course of the entire summer, four or five times where they got together and they were able to scrounge together 10 or 12 or whatever it was.

And it was really, it was really hard. You think about it and you’re just like, one to me, the idea of there’s a game that is going to be competitive and it’s going to be other dudes that can play and it’s a real game and whatever that I can show up for if I’m 18, 19, 20 years old, like I don’t really care what time that’s happening or where it’s happening.

Like I’m getting in my car and I’m going to be there. But unfortunately, my mentality from when I was that age is not necessarily copied by every kid on that. No doubt. Text change. So that was interesting and a challenge. And then I think the other thing that goes to a conversation that you and I have had on here and that I’ve had too many times to count is just if you want to go find a game, like if Trey wants to go find a game on his own, like it’s pretty near impossible to find a game somewhere where it’s all.

Good high school players or good college players, or guys who are adults who take the game seriously. Whereas when you were a kid or when I was a kid, those places did exist, no doubt. Like you could go and you could find, like in the summertime when I was a college player, I played, I would say, six or seven nights a week.

Now it wasn’t always at the same place because Monday nights you were at this gym. Tuesday night was this park, Thursday night was this college, gym, whatever. It was always different places, but you could al, you always knew somewhere in the greater Cleveland area, you could find a game on a particular night with good players and now you just can’t do that.

And so that’s for sure. I think you hit on it that the challenge is where do you find games where it’s not a guy with jeans and a guy with a hat, and another guy that you said who. Isn’t a very good player and looks at Trey and says, oh, I’m going to take this dude because he’s doing this. And then you’re into a situation that you don’t want to be in.

How do you find the competitiveness? And that clearly is the challenge.

[00:37:27] Rob Brost: And I think all of those things, and you’re exactly right, we have a little advantage in that we have the facility and we have some players built in. But getting all of them organized and getting to show up.

Was the same way that you described, we could find a game pretty much whenever sometimes it would be in the park or whatever if we couldn’t find a gym. But the gym is not an issue for us because we have access to it. And it’s more difficult than you think to find like-minded players that are trying to just go hard for an hour and just play right and get better, and get a feel for one another and then, do those things again.

But once the summer hits, that will be less of an issue. But then you’re hitting vacations and all the things, and then he leaves the end of July for their European trip. So the summer’s not going to be very long. We’re going to Italy again. So it just runs to things. We have to get pretty organized pretty fast here.

And so that he. He is not going to get behind skill wise. I’m very confident of that. And strength, he needs to get in the weight room, which he will. And those things don’t concern me, but the, just the game flow and just the, those types of things of going extremely hard for, even if it’s a half hour, you don’t really get that in a workout.

I know you can go hard in a workout, I get that, but it’s not the same as guarding somebody and then somebody guarding you and doing it in a the appropriate way or, the level that they’re at. And so now he is, taken a huge step up in competition, in consistency, in strength and all of those things.

And again, once the summer gets here, it’s not going to be as much of an issue because right after camp is over, all the former players will be out there. And then off we go for just a half hour, 45 minutes before. The girls come in and, the whole camp will be there watching, and it’ll be a fun thing to do.

And no one’s trying to one up the other one or show that they’re better than, obviously there’s showing that they’re better, but you know what I’m saying? No one’s, going to chuck somebody into the bleachers on a wide open layup or something like that. That’s not going to happen during those runs.

And no one’s going to undercut somebody on a, 20 foot jumper, or something like that. So those things are all things you have to take into account when you’re getting in open runs, and you’re between college and pro age. And those issues are something, and those are the issues that we’re facing right now with Trey.

And here’s just the start of it. We’re not even a week into losing our last game and we’re thinking about all those things, which well, we’ll continue to think about now.

[00:40:16] Mike Klinzing: Absolutely. How much do you. Talk with him. Plan with him. When you start talking about what he’s going to do individually in his workouts Yeah.

Skill wise, what he’s going to work on, how involved, how hands on are you in that process right now?

[00:40:37] Rob Brost: I’ll be as hands on as he wants me to be. I’m pretty hands off when that, as that stuff is concerned. But if he’s not doing it or he is not doing it hard, then I’ll chime in. Which is not usually the case, but he already asked me two days ago what do, what exactly do I need to work on?

So Sunday we’re going to talk about not someday. Sunday we’re going to talk about like exactly what. He and I think that he needs to do, and some of it’s going to be a conversation that he’s going to have to have with his coach at Michigan Tech and what they think, and, they haven’t seen, they’ve seen him play obviously, but they don’t know exactly what his, idiosyncrasies are and all of those things.

They just know he, he’s a good player. And those things will progress as we move forward as well. And I think the strength thing is a huge thing. But there’s one trainer that he is been working with for, I don’t know, since seventh or eighth grade, once I stopped doing it.

I worked with him once a week, twice a week, three times a week. But then when I handed him over to our, he’s going to still work with him and then they’re going to, just continue to hone his skills. And I’m not really concerned about that piece because he is always. On his, or with the trainer, he’s going to be in the gym.

That’s just how he’s wired. And I’m a little surprised that he hasn’t tried to sneak in there this last week, but I’m actually glad that he hasn’t.

[00:42:09] Mike Klinzing: And you guys talked about goals for him, maybe not necessarily in terms of what he wants to do next year statistically, or starting or those kinds of things, but when I’m thinking about goals, I’m thinking about things that he wants to get better at from where he is today.

[00:42:28] Rob Brost: Yeah.

[00:42:29] Mike Klinzing: To where he is when he sets foot on campus. Have you talked to him about those kinds of things? The goal piece of it,

[00:42:36] Rob Brost: the strength thing is probably the number one piece of it because he undersized. At that level, for sure. Not so much for high school, but at that level he’s going to be, he’s five 11 ish, maybe six foot on a great day.

And when you’re playing against other point guards that are 23, 24 years old, it’s not necessarily the height deal, it’s more the strength and how their bodies are put together. And we’re going to on Sunday, talk about what he’s eating, how often he’s in the weight room, all of those things.

And, I’m not an expert in those things. I can gain weight, obviously, look at me, but, I’m not a great guy in the weight room and you know what? You should be eating to gain weight and he doesn’t need to gain a lot of weight. He just needs to get a little more chiseled and those types of things.

And he’s strong, but he’s not strong for a college player. He’s, and that. And then, we talked about, he and I talked about already and we’ll talk about it more when we meet again is like his ball handling’s have to be tighter. It’s have to be closer to his body. It’s have to be, and I know that sounds weird and, but he, and he’s have to be able to finish through contact and all of those things and not necessarily finish it, but at least get the shot off because, so then he can get to the line where he is a really good free throw shooter.

Really good players get fouled and that’s another whole pod topic, but we talk about all the time good players get fouled. Absolutely. And good players know how to get fouled. And those are the things that he’s good at the level that he at right now, or that he just finished.

He’s going to be in for a rude away. He thinks he is going to just be able to transition it. He hasn’t said this to me, but I can tell how he thinks that’s not going to happen. He’s not going to be able to, draw fouls at that next level the way he does at our level. And those things he’s going to have to go through and, plot through and then get beat up a little bit.

And the first several workouts when he gets there, are going to be really hard. And the first weight sessions, he’s going to be really sore, even though he is been lifting weights and doing all the things. You know how it’s just going to be an adjustment. And I said, no scholarship player that’s already there is going to allow a freshman scholarship player to come in and just take their spot.

It’s, that’s not how it works. And they’re going to be out to prove to you that you can’t do that. From the day you step in foot in there and that you’ll be great teammates and you’ll be friends and all the things. And I’m not saying that, I’m just saying when it gets right down to it, they don’t want you to come in and play, meaning the players.

And so I don’t know if he’s quite ready for that piece of it. And these are grown men and they don’t care who Tre Broast is or where that you’re from Bolingbrook or that you won four region titles and you’re the only player in the school’s history to do that. They don’t care and nor should they, especially at the beginning.

I think that’s going to be an adjustment. So I think as much as I can prepare him for that, but he’s never going to be fully prepared. He’s just going to have to do it. He’s going to have to go through it. And I dunno how, you never know how a kid is going to react until they go through it. And preparing him for that strength-wise, tightening his handle, his ability to make.

Difficult shots isn’t the right word, but shots that aren’t just catch shoot threes, shots that are a little bit off balance shots where he has to lean back just a little bit to get them off because he’s going to have the ball in his hands as that clock’s going down so many times. Ability to make pocket passes and, even unique things like behind the back passes and those types of things.

So those are all things that he’s going to have to work on and practice so that when he gets there, it’s not the first time that he does them. And these are all kind of things we’ve been doing, but we haven’t done them in a workout fashion since November, really, because we’ve just been working on shooting and ball handling and just maintenance stuff for the last six months or so.

So now we’re back to the, Hey, where am I going to make these big jumps in my game? And so much of his game. Any point guards game is decision making, and so that you can only get with the up and down action that we were talking about earlier. We have to get him a little bit of that too. I don’t want to bore people with the trade roast plan of how he’s going to get better, but it’s just a unique challenge because every player’s different.

Every situation is different, and he’s going to have to navigate all of that. And for the first time, without me being anywhere close to being there, and I’m not, he could call me obviously, but I’m not going to, I’m not talking to the coach. I’m not doing any of that. So I can, that, that, that is the last thing from my mind.

So he’s going to have to navigate through all of those things. And if he plays or if he doesn’t play, that’s going to be up to him.

[00:47:33] Mike Klinzing: It’ll be strange for you that you won’t see practice. So you’ll have these conversations with them, and you’ll see games and then you’ll have conversations with them, but you won’t be able to, you won’t be able to visualize in your mind the practice setting, which obviously you’ve had the advantage of being able to see them in practice every day when you’re having conversations with him.

So that is definitely one thing. And not that I saw CAL’S practices during high school, because I didn’t. And then when you’re in college, you only see the prac, you only see the games, you don’t see the practices. So I’m hearing and talking to him about practice and things that he’s doing well or things that he needs to work on.

What is interesting that you said, and I think this is something that goes back to why I picked out this topic, is when you’re transitioning from being a high school player to a college player, you just talked about some of the things that you, as someone who has seen players make that transition.

And then trying to project for him what it’s going to be like at the next level. Trying to help him to understand what are some of the things that he’s going to have to do at the next level. And because he hasn’t experienced it, and because again, neither you nor him are exactly sure of what kind of role he’s going to be in and what it’s going to look like when he’s out on the floor with his teammates and against the opponents that they’re going to play.

So it’s hard to figure out, hey, what’s a skill that he’s going to need that either he doesn’t have right now or has have to get better? And then once he has his freshman year, then it’ll become clear. You’ll see oh

[00:49:07] Rob Brost: yes,

[00:49:07] Mike Klinzing: this is what we have to work on. Or, oh, here’s something that he does all the time in their offense that he needs to be able to work on.

And that’s one of the fun things now with Cal, is I’ve now watched two seasons of positionally where he is on the floor, what he’s supposed to do, what he can do to. Elevate himself and his role and what he needs to do to be able to get on the floor more, to have a bigger role, whatever, to be able to contribute more to winning.

And so now when he and I talk, I know exactly hey, like you have to be able to do X better. Let’s work on that. Yeah. I see you in the game, get in this situation and you’re only successful 25% of the time. Imagine if you could be successful 80% of the time with this move or being able to handle the ball in this spot.

And that’s, I think what again makes this period where you go from a u playing 50, 60 games during this period and you get all that flow and that work to now you’re going to play zero organized games between now and August. And you think about the development and how much that AAU experience, especially when you have a good one, how much it accelerates.

Your ability to play on the floor the next year. Yeah. And now that whole thing is gone. And so you have to figure out ways to be able to supplant to replace that. And it’s definitely, I found it to be the most challenging couple of months. Yes. In terms of just figuring out, Hey, how do we do this?

In some ways it feels like it’s the most important, right? Because you’re making the transition Yeah. From being a high school player to being a college player. And all of a sudden you’re like, but all my tools, yeah. There nothing to do. My, my tools, my toolbox, I had all these tools over here, and now somebody took those tools away and I don’t have the same ability to be able to grow and improve.

And so it really, you do have to be dialed in and obviously Trey has the advantage of having you and Cal had the advantage of having me that not every kid does,

[00:51:04] Rob Brost: no doubt.

[00:51:04] Mike Klinzing: But it’s definitely a challenging time as you’re finding out

[00:51:07] Rob Brost: there’s. There’s definitely one thing that I’ve been telling him, and I’ll continue to tell him, no matter what his skillset is, no matter what he’s good at, not good at, is there’s a reason why high elite high school players like to play with you and you need to make the college players that you’re going to play with feel like that.

And so your job is to be the best teammate that there possibly could be. And our elite players talk about all the time, we had two or three last year and we have two or three this year that they just love playing with Trey. They love playing with Trey because he gets them the ball where they should get it.

And he understands when he should shoot, when he shouldn’t, when somebody’s hot, when somebody’s not. He just understands all of those things. And so being a great teammate. A constant, especially when you’re a freshman, because you haven’t earned anything. Nothing. And so you’re going to be, you need to be the point guard that everybody wants to play with and those characteristics that really good point.

Guards have. Being unselfish, bringing the team together, high fiving, making somebody feel good about themselves. Bringing energy to the weight room or to the hills that you’re running, or to the steps that you’re doing or to the, every time they see you, if you’re bringing energy, then people want to, are drawn to that.

And so being a great teammate is something that he can do from the second he steps on. Foot on that campus to the time he leaves four or five years from now, if he’s lucky enough to stay there the whole time and play it out. But no matter where he goes, he can be a great teammate. And those things have to happen.

And, I saw this year, and again, I don’t want to bore people with the whole, this year, 99.9% of the time, he was great teammate, a leader, all of those things. But there were a couple times in practice where other guys would be down or have an off day or whatever, and he just let that go.

And I would’ve to like, dude, are you going to let that, you going to let that happen? Are you being the point guard that people want to play with? And he was like, you’re right, I got it. And then he would, jack everything up. And he’s have to be able to do that on his own without reminders from anybody.

And then he is have to do it day after day, even if he’s not playing. And that can get really hard. And so we’ll see. We’ll see how it all turns out. But being a great teammate is the baseline of everything and that we’ve already started to talk about and that he can control from day one.

[00:53:46] Mike Klinzing: Yeah. And that’s a conversation that you wish that every parent had with their kid before they play on your high school team, before they play on your college team, whatever. And it becomes clear, and especially when you’re sitting in the stands and you can see the guys that have had that talk or have figured that out for themselves.

And regardless of whether you’re playing or you’re not playing there’s tremendous value in being a team first guy and being a guy that people like to play with. Not only on the floor, but just like being on a team with, because you’re always positive and you’re bringing the energy and then you go with, it’s funny to hear you talk about Trey and just say that.

He knows how to play, right? And he gets guys the ball where they want the ball. And this is a conversation I had with Cal, who plays on the inside. And so his thing is, he goes, really good guards always like to play with me because I just keep setting screens for him. And I feel like I’m the best friend on any team I’ve ever played on.

And so I get guys open shots and I may not be the most talented scorer on the floor, but when guys play with me, they get open shots because I’m physical and I hit people and I screen and do all. And so it’s the same thing, right? There’s an unselfishness to that, that guys want to play with somebody who’s going to get the ball or guys want to play with somebody who’s going to set a physical SPR so that they can,

[00:55:10] Rob Brost: yeah,

[00:55:10] Mike Klinzing: they can get open.

And it all comes back to, again, what is the game about, right? What are, why are we playing the game? Yeah, we’re playing it because we like to win and yeah, we’re playing it because we love basketball. But it ultimately is you’re playing it to be able to learn some of those lessons of how to be selfless, how to be part of a team, how to be a part of something bigger than yourself.

And I think so many people miss that. And that’s where

[00:55:37] Rob Brost: there’s no doubt,

[00:55:39] Mike Klinzing: That’s where I just

[00:55:40] Rob Brost: look at it and it’s sad. It’s sad.

[00:55:41] Mike Klinzing: It’s,

[00:55:41] Rob Brost: yes.

[00:55:42] Mike Klinzing: It’s it’s, and

[00:55:42] Rob Brost: I have this because you can gain so much from this or you can not gain hardly anything from the exact same experience.

Yeah. And so many people don’t, and I’m not judging, I’m just saying from my experience, you allow circumstances or your ego, and I’m not necessarily talking just players, I’m talking about parents too. Like you, you allow those things to get inside of. What you’re doing. And I do it too. And I want my kid to be great too.

And my kid was just named Allstate today. I get all of that, but my kid is probably one of the least talented. I know this is going on public airwaves. Of all the kids that were on that Allstate team as far as just talent, he’s a great teammate. He brings great enthusiasm to the floor and then he understands what to do and when to do it.

That’s why he got voted onto that because of the way he carries himself and all of those things. Six foot point guard, that average nine points a game that’s not going to make too many Allstate teams. This one did. It’s just unique all the way around and I’m just glad and proud of them and we’ll see how it goes from here.

[00:56:56] Mike Klinzing: Yeah. And I think it comes down to Rob, and I’m sure you’ve had this conversation with Trey to some degree too, but I tell Cal all the time that you have. Such an advantage in having somebody that has gone through and experienced things. Yeah. In the game of basketball that have helped through the hours and hours of conversations that he and I have had over the course of his basketball career in terms of trying to interpret this situation or trying to figure out what’s going on here or asking me advice about what I should do there.

And ultimately at each step of the process, our roles have gone like this. At first, it was me giving him the foundation that he needs, and my influence is way up here. And then slowly as you get to high school, it starts to even out. And then he starts to take the lead and now he’s in college.

And yeah, we still talk about it, but ultimately at this point I. We still have the conversations, but at this point he’s internalized a lot of the lessons that I’ve tried to impart on him over time, and I’m sure it’s the same way with you and Trey, that just, again, you going through and talking about the way the game is supposed to be played and playing the right way and being a teammate and all the things that go into creating a positive experience for him.

Those are conversations that you’ve been having with him since he was seven years old and

[00:58:23] Rob Brost: right? Yes.

[00:58:25] Mike Klinzing: And because you’ve poured into him over and over again, the same messages. The same messages, it’s like you’ve now given him the tools to be able to go and to do those things on his own.

Like you said, you’re not going to be at the practice next year when, hey, maybe he’s a little down, or maybe there’s a guy that’s not doing what they’re supposed to do. He’s not going to have dad there to talk to him during or after the practice, say, Hey, what were you doing? It’s on him or It’s not. Or it’s not.

Yep. And that’s a fun place to get to in all honesty as a parent where you feel like that’s been your job, not only in life as a parent, but I feel like in through sports that’s where I’ve tried to get my kids to is that they’re able to do doubt the things that I feel like are the right things without me being there.

And look, they’re nobody’s perfect. I’m not perfect, and certainly my kids aren’t perfect, but I feel like I’ve tried to teach them what sports and what basketball is all about in terms of being a good teammate and doing the right things and trying to contribute to a winning environment regardless of whether you win or lose on the court.

Create a winning environment so that everybody’s experience is a positive one. And it’s not always easy to do. because again, there are a lot of people unfortunately, who aren’t having that talk with their kids.

[00:59:41] Rob Brost: Yeah. There’s no doubt about that. There will be continue, there will continue to be more and more people that are not having that talk with their kids.

And I’m thankful for all of them and I’m just blessed to, have two kids. Like I have, my daughter and then obviously Trey as well, and my wife has. Of than I certainly do. And just to be around it and to be around people like you and our friendship and that, it’s, it’s the basketball piece brought us together, but now we’re friends regardless of the basketball piece.

Absolutely. It works, for high school kids, it works for adults, and how you act and how you treat people is the most important thing and it always will be that,

[01:00:22] Mike Klinzing: no question. All right. That is a great way to end it. Rob. I appreciate as always your time here on the triple double number 24.

So we will be back again in approximately a month for the next one. And to everyone out there, thanks for listening and we’ll catch you on our next episode. Thanks.

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