ROUND TABLE 29 – WHAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU USED TO BELIEVE ABOUT COACHING THAT YOU HAVE CHANGED YOUR OPINION ON OVER THE COURSE OF YOUR CAREER? – EPISODE 472

Round Table 29

Welcome to the 29th edition of the Coach’s Corner Round Table on the Hoop Heads Podcast. Each episode of the Coach’s Corner Round Table will feature our All-Star lineup of guests answering a single basketball question.  A new Coach’s Corner Round Table will drop around the 15th of each month.

May’s Round Table question is:  What is something that you used to believe about coaching that you have changed your opinion on over the course of your career?

Our Coaching Lineup this month:

  • Erik Buehler – Chatfield (CO) High School
  • Matt Grahn – University of Dallas
  • Bobby Jordan – Wagner College
  • Liz Kay – Wahconah (MA) High School
  • Nick LoGalbo – Lane Tech (IL) High School
  • Mark Schult – University of West Georgia
  • Don Showalter – USA Basketball
  • John Shulman – University of Alabama Huntsville
  • Bryce Simon – Motor City Hoops Pod
  • Ido Singer – UNC Greensboro
  • Joe Stasyszyn – Unleashed Potential
  • Lee Swanson – Bunker Hill (NC) High School

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Let’s hear from our coaches about how their thinking has changed over the course of their career.

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Hello and welcome to the 29th edition of the Coach’s Corner Round Table on the Hoop Heads Podcast. Each episode of the Coach’s Corner Round Table, we’ll feature our all-star lineup of guests answering a single basketball question, a new Coach’s Corner Tound [00:03:00] Table will drop around the 15th of each month.

May’s round table question is, “What is something that you used to believe about coaching that you have changed your opinion on over the course of your career?”

 Our coaching lineup this month includes:

Eric Buehler from Chatfield High School

Matt Grahn from the University of Dallas

Bobby Jordan from Wagner College

Liz Kay from Wahconah High School

Nick LoGalbo from Lane Tech High School

Mark Schult from the University of West Georgia

Don Showalter from USA basketball

 John Shulman from the University of Alabama, Huntsville

 Bryce Simon from the Motor City Hoops

 Ido Singer from UNC Greensboro

Joe Stasyszyn from Unleashed Potential

 Lee Swanson from Bunker Hill high School

Please enjoy this round table episode of the Hoop Heads Podcast. And once you’re finished listening, please give the show a five star rating and review. If [00:04:00] you’re a basketball coach at any level, please check out our Hoop Heads coaching mentorship program.  You’ll get matched with one of our experienced head coaches and develop a relationship that will take your coaching, your team, your program, and your mindset to another level.

And don’t forget to check out our Hoop Heads Pod Network of shows, including Thrive with Trevor Huffman, Beyond the Ball, The CoachMays.com Podcast, Players Court, Bleachers and Boards, The Green Light, Courtside Culture and our NBA team focused podcasts, Cavalier Central, Knuck If you Buck, 305 Culture, Daily Thunder, Motor City Hoops, X’s and O’s NBA Breakdown, Spanning the Spurs, LA Hoops, The Wizards Hoops Analyst, Lakers Fast Break and At the Buzzer. We’re looking for more NBA podcasters interested in hosting their own show centered on a particular team, email us info@hoopheadspod.com if you’re interested in learning more and bringing your talent to our network.

Now let’s hear from our coaches about how they’ve changed their thinking over the course of career.

Mike Klinzing: [00:04:54] Erik Buehler, Chatfield Senior High School – Littleton, Colorado.

[00:05:00] Erik Beuhler: [00:05:01] How’s it going Hoop Heads this is Eric Bueller at Chatfield senior high. And this month’s question was what’s something that we have changed our mind on since we started coaching. And I would say a big one for me is I’ve kind of changed my opinion of I can affect the game.

While it’s happening very much. And what I mean by that is I think a lot of the work we do as coaches happens in the off season, it happens in practice. It happens in the preparation before the game and learning from the previous game. But as the game is actually happening, we have very little outcome and I think that’s helped me calm down and Be more even keeled throughout the course of a game, realizing that there’s not much I can do to change.

What’s actually happening in the game other than maybe calling a few sets or calling a time out here and there. But that’s just kinda my opinion and I hope you all have a good rest of the day.

Mike Klinzing: [00:06:01]Matt Grahn Recruiting Coordinator at the University of Dallas.

Matt Grahn: [00:06:04] One of the things I shared with Mike and Jason when I was a guest on the podcast, was that I grew up my dad’s gym and my dad coached at a time where the prevailing model of coaching was what we probably nowadays would call the military style.

A lot of yelling, a lot of you know, losing of tempers and almost using fear as a, as the great motivator. And I believed that that was how things should be done having witnessed not only my dad, but you know, the other coaches of the time doing the same. What I knew in my heart of hearts was there was a better way.

I just didn’t know how to get there. I didn’t have a framework nor, you know, the experiences or research to back that up. Fast forward to. My move here to Dallas. And I became a certified [00:07:00] trainer for the positive coaching Alliance. It was really fascinating to me to dive into the research and watch and hear from high-level coaches who subscribe to PCA principles and see how effective it really was.

So that belief has changed considerably. You know, again, early in my career, the belief was that you couldn’t coach them hard unless you were on, you know, autumn all the time, telling them everything they’re doing wrong. I don’t believe that now. I, what I believe is I can still coach my guys hard.

I can still tell them the truth. I can still. Get the best out of them and motivate them with positivity, catch them doing something right. Rewarded efforts get repeated. So, you know, I, I want to see great effort rewarded and therefore, you know, I get that same effort again. So [00:08:00] again, it’s not all rainbows, butterflies and unicorns, as some coaches would, would assume with positive coaching.

It is really a way of, of building relationships so that you can tell the truth in order to get your kids to improve.

Mike Klinzing: [00:08:18] Bobby Jordan – Wagner College, Staten Island, New York.

Bobby Jordan: [00:08:23] One thing that I’ve really changed my opinion on during my coaching career is, is labeling players with numbers. Traditionally you have a one, two, three, four, and five men on the court.

And that’s what a lot of us had all grown up knowing. And. And using out on the court. I think now with the, with players being, you know, very diverse, having a bunch of different skillsets, it’s really important not to label guys by numbers. But really just to have your best five players on the court and make it work both on the offensive,

[00:09:00] Mike Klinzing: [00:09:03] Liz Kay from Wahconah High School in Dalton, Massachusetts.

Liz Kay: [00:09:09] Hey guys, this is for your round table episode. Some things I used to believe about coaching that I’ve changed my opinion on over the course of my career. Number one, that you need to yell to gain a players, respect often saying nothing or speaking.

Softly is more effective to that. You need to run lines as punishment or to get in shape. Be creative, incorporate closeouts, transition drills, or more basketball movements, agility, ladder, ladders, hurdles, et cetera. Number three, that post-game breakdowns are important directly after a game. Oftentimes your kids just want to leave, say a few words, give yourself the night to reflect breakdown, film, talk with your coaches, et cetera.

They don’t want to listen to you anyway, at that point, number four, be really good at a few things rather than mediocre at a lot of things, especially when overwhelmed at the start of a season, when you only have [00:10:00] about two weeks to prepare in the high school years. Number five, teach them how to play rather than getting bogged down with running too many plays.

Number six, make time for skill, work, and fundamentals as well as game situations in every practice. Thanks guys.

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[00:11:00] Mike Klinzing: [00:11:02] Nick Logalbo – Lane Tech High School, Chicago, Illinois

Nick LoGalbo: [00:11:08] This is NicK LoGalbo from lane tech high school in Chicago. This month’s round table question. What is something you used to believe about coaching? It has changed or your opinion has changed over the course of your career? For me, I don’t know.

I used to really be tried and true guy who played all man to Mandy fence at all times. Really believe that the elite level programs were able to win, In the half court defending and just, you know, getting after it, there are many main concepts. But I think as I’ve grown over the years, And learn that, you know, especially at the high school and even college levels are such a, a difference in town level from game to game.

There’s a difference in, in programs that have had consistency from game to game. So having a good zone in your back pocket to change things up, change the flow of the game impact rhythm is just so crucial. So I’ve [00:12:00] implemented a lot more zone over the years. And I think that it’s, it’s been key to you know, our success.

And I think that all young coaches should be mindful of having multiple different zones or different defenses to implement over the course of the year. So hope this helps because I’d hear where it almost has to say. Thanks

Mike Klinzing: [00:12:20] Mark Schult, University of West Georgia.

Mark Schult: [00:12:26] What’s going on, Hoop Heads? Mark Schult, University of West Georgia. Thanks for having me on this month’s question. What is something you used to believe about coaching that you changed your opinion on over the course of your career? I, haven’t got two things, you know, the first on the coaching side of it.

I, I think a lot of people think that coaching has to do with, with X’s and O’s and defensive schemes and, you know, re really putting in time in the gym to perfect your craft and all those things are important. I found that, you know, communication and relationships with your team [00:13:00] are, are really, what’s going to win you games.

More than anything else. I think the old saying is it’s. It’s not the X’s and O’s, it’s the Jimmie’s and the Joe’s. And I found that to be true. The other thing for, for coaches about getting jobs, a lot of people say it’s not what, you know, it’s who, you know while that is true, like I think you can take it a step further and say, It’s not who, you know, it’s, it’s, who knows you, you know, it’s a relationship business and, you know, if you can, you can be genuine and meet people and, and really impact people when, when you have interactions.

I think ultimately that’s, that’s, what’s going to give you more opportunities. So thanks for having me on.

Mike Klinzing: [00:13:41] Don Showalter USA Basketball.

Don Showalter: [00:13:47] Hi, Don Showalter here from USA basketball. And the question for this month is what is something I used to believe about coaching that has changed my opinion over the course of my [00:14:00] career? Well, I think the first thing that I really changed my thoughts on coaching was when I first got into coaching, I was a new coach.

I thought everything in coaching really revolved around what. To what I knew as a basketball coach X and O wise. And you know, obviously the longer I coached the L the more I realized that it’s less about X’s and O’s, and more about building relationships and motivation and building a team and making sure that team plays together, being unselfish and having great teammates.

On the court together. And then I think what happens is you get these players coming back that you have coached for many years, for several years and they come back after their. Grown up and have jobs and they come back to you and say to you that the lessons they learned were unbelievably important in their jobs or their [00:15:00] families or whatever it is.

And those lessons are not X’s. And O’s those lessons are what’s what’s you do as a coach off the court. So I think as a young coach, that really changed my. Complexion of what a coach was going into it. I thought it was, Hey, if we can do a lot of X’s and O’s, if we can, you know, if we can run an offense, if we can have a defensive plan, that’s the most important thing.

And then obviously the longer I coached it certainly switched to be in secondary with what happens with your team. Thank you.

Mike Klinzing: [00:15:36] John Shulman University of Alabama, Huntsville and the 720 sports group.

John Shulman: [00:15:42] This is John Shulman head basketball coach at the University of Alabama in Huntsville.

And the question really is what, something that I believed in that has cat at the start of my coaching career and has changed through the course of my coaching [00:16:00] career. And really X and O wise I’ve really stayed pretty, pretty basic in my beliefs. A lot of people change their opinion on with the three-point line coming in and changes how they want to go over to the three-point line.

And, and I still I’ve stayed very consistent on what I believe in but the biggest thing that I’ve changed and I think over time, Is I used to think talent cured, everything. And if the kid was talented, you could overlook his issues or the kid was talented. You could overlook him being late for practice or just talent prevailed.

And if you had more talent than the other team, you were going to win the game because your kids were more talented. And I would, I would see a red flag and I would make an excuse for a red flag. And I would do anything that, that you could do to [00:17:00] try to get as much talent on your team as you could. And what I have learned through the years is it is true.

Talent’s overrated. I think you have to be talented and you got to be good, but if it doesn’t have the same beliefs you have, and if you don’t, if they don’t have character and they don’t do things the right way, I promise you, you cannot win. You may win some, but they’re going to let you down in a big game.

If they don’t have unbelievable character, they don’t have amazing beliefs in, in doing the right thing. And it just, it’s just not going to work. So talent is a big thing that I’ve changed. Give me a kid. Who’s got amazing work ethic. Cause if you’ve got talent and you don’t work, it doesn’t matter if you don’t have as much talent and you have amazing work ethic, you’ll pass [00:18:00] that guy who has no work ethic who has talent.

So you give me a kid has got amazing work ethic. That’s got a wheel to win and a wheel to get better and he wants to be in your basketball program. Sign me up now that’s a 54 year old coach talking. I wish I had known that when I was 34 or 24. So hopefully, maybe this can help somebody appreciate your time and appreciate what Mike does for all of us.

Thanks.

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Mike Klinzing: [00:19:19] Bryce Simon – Motor City Hoops.

Bryce Simon: [00:19:23] This is Bryce Simon from motor city hoops, a high school assistant coach right now coached boys and girls high school. And this week’s question is what is something you used to believe about coaching that you have changed your opinion on over the course of your career?

And I would say whenever I first came into coaching, I thought because. I knew X’s and O’s and understood the game. I would be a good coach. I played college basketball for four years, played under a great coach and Jeff Jones at American university. And he’s a very good XMLs guy. So I was gonna take all of these plays that we ran at division one and were successful with.

And I was going to bring them to the high school game. And I quickly realized that it didn’t matter how good of a play I could draw up. [00:20:00] I could have all the best sets in the worlds in the world. If you don’t have players to execute it. And they don’t have the fundamentals to execute it. It’s not going to matter.

And then also none of the day, if they can’t make the shot at the end, even if they can do everything up until that point, it also doesn’t matter. The other thing I realized is if you don’t have players who could break off fence and go make a play, when defense is pressured, then you were also. It didn’t really matter.

We would work on all these sets. I wasted so much time in practice working on set plays and offenses and running good stuff, and then we’d get in games and the team would just get out and passing lanes and we didn’t know how to run a simple back door or they’d get up and pressure the ball. And we couldn’t go by.

So I thought, because I could draw up great things to make my T players successful. That that’s all I needed to do. And I was completely wrong. So I can I’ve over the years, I’ve completely went away from plays and just transitioned into teaching our players how to play the game. Can you dribble? Can you pass?

Can you shoot? Those are the biggest things. I know it sounds simple, but if you can go by your [00:21:00] man, if you can make the right read and make the right pass, and if you can make a shot, then you can run. And if all five of the people on the floor players on the floor can do that. Then you can have a successful OSS offense.

I mean, we started playing a lot of pickup games. I know that’s kind of taboo, but if you run controlled pickup games, I feel that that can be been very beneficial to your, your program and your team because those players get put in those situations where they have to make live decisions on whether I shoot, where do I drive it?

Who do I pass to? When do I go back to, or how do I make this cut? And I just don’t think you can always do those things in drills and even, you know, maybe two on two, three on three, but we play a lot of five on five pickup and just work on those fundamentals. So I believe that no matter what level and individual players that teaching them, how to play the game, not only is it better, I think in the long run, maybe not at the very beginning, but in the long run, it’s either easier than teaching them those sets and those plays.

Mike Klinzing: [00:21:55] Ido Singer from the University of North Carolina Greensboro.

[00:22:00] Ido Singer: [00:22:02] This is Ido Singer from UNCG women’s basketball. And what a great question. So happy to share this. My first time answering this question, this round table question. So one thing that I have I had the chance to revisit as I got more and more into learning and challenging. The norms of yesteryear is the notion that I’ve heard as a player.

And I’ve heard a lot of coaches, and I’ve even said that myself to a lot of players when I was first coming up in this business. And that is to square up your feet to the basket. This shooting tip. To me is detrimental to shooting. And I’ll explain, I believe that when you square up your feet to the basket, you’re attempting to square up the middle of your body with the middle of the rim.

Now, the problem [00:23:00] is we are either right-handed or left-handed. Which basically means that your shot comes from the side of your body. For the most part, it doesn’t really come dead center. It’s more to the right or more to the left of center. And so by squaring up, I believe that we’re standing in a very unnatural, uncomfortable position, trying to bring the ball from one side.

To the middle. What I’ve been telling players to do is to turn, turn their hips a little bit and square up your shooting, hip to the basket. So for right-handed players, turn a little bit in point your. Right side of the hip to the basket. And so by doing that, all you have to do is just shoot the ball straight from that position.

It’s more comfortable, more comfortable, it’s more natural and it’s more accurate. And if you look at the best shooters in the world, you have Steph Curry, easier. [00:24:00] Kevin Durant’s. They are all turned shooters. They all turn, there are very few good shooters that are completely squared up to the basket. And so.

By learning and studying all the great shooters out there. I’ve learned that this was all the advice that used to just give players without really giving it too much thought because it was told to me. And so that is an old misconception about coaching that I would love to change. And I’d love to challenge coaches to think outside that box and really consider all the things that we tell our players are those things that we know for a fact that are going to make them better, or are we just regurgitating things that coaches used to think were true?

20, 30 years ago, that we may have heard ourselves from one of our old coaches. Thanks for letting me share.

Mike Klinzing: [00:24:57] Joe Stasyszyn [00:25:00] Unleashed Potential – Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

Joe Stasyszyn: [00:25:04] Joe Stasyszyn on Unleashed Potential. This month question is what is one of the things that you used to believe about coaching that you changed your opinion over through the course of your career?

I would say for me, I was a public high school coach at a big school in Pennsylvania Carlisle high school in Pennsylvania. And one of the things that I think as a young coach, when I first came into coaching, I had a system and I thought that every year, regardless of the talent, Or the makeup, my team, I would run that system, but as I got into coaching more and got more experienced, I started to learn that you really have to develop your system based around the players that you have for that year in public school is a little bit different than private or prep school, where, you know, you might be able to recruit in those situations.

But in public schools in Pennsylvania, you basically, you know, you [00:26:00] have, you have to take what you’re given. So very quickly, I learned that some years I had some different players and may have athletic players. The one year, the next year may have players who weren’t quite as athletic and realized very quickly that I couldn’t always run the same system.

Now you can always run parts of the same system, you know, and tweak some things. But you really, you know, you had to develop. Every year we had to reevaluate every year, what our approach was going to be that year offensively defensively based on a talent or the players that we had. And I think that’s a lesson that I learned very quickly that I think, you know, was rarely really good for me in terms of my coaching and my philosophy, to be able to develop and tweak things based on a talent that I had in a public school.

So I think early on, that was one of the biggest things. That I learned that I had to change very quickly in my career, and I still feel that way today that you have, do you have to coach your team based on who you have? I think that is [00:27:00] very, very important. You have to be flexible and be able to do that.

I know some coaches get locked into a certain system and that, and that may work. Sometimes, but I’m not so sure that works with the talent that you have year in and year out, or the lack of talent that you may have. You’re in a, you’re out in a public school situation. The other thing that I learned very on very early was.

That you have to be yourself. You know, when I first got into coaching as a young coach, right out of college, you know, there were certain coaches that I looked up to that I emulated that I wanted to be like. And, and again as time went on, I started to learn that, you know, you need to be yourself.

Number one. Now you’re also able to, you know, take from different coaches and different philosophies. And as I. Guys I coached through my career. I started to take from from many, many, many different coaches. You know, you always say that, you know, everybody steals from, from everybody else. You know, you might have some of your own ideas, but most of most coaches will take a piece from this coach or a piece from that coach.

And, you know, I think that’s a good way to do [00:28:00] it. And it still allows you to be yourself and coach with your own personality. You can’t just take on a personality of another coach, like a high level coach that you emulate, or you would like to be like, or someone that you really admire. So I think that was another lesson that I learned through my coaching career and how I changed my beliefs as time went on.

And then you know, one or two more things I would say most coaches and, you know, I probably would have fit into this too, when you’re first coming out of college and you’re coaching it’s, I call it a good coach versus a nice coach in which you have to learn, or you grow into being a good coach rather than a nice coach, you know a nice coach while our players to do.

Whatever they want to do and players will do what you allow them to do. And, you know, I really believe, you know, it’s been, you know, later in my career, I’m no longer coaching on a team level I’m into player develop. But now I really, really, really talk about this all over the country and all over the world that you have to hold kids accountable.

You can’t be a nice coach. You need to be a [00:29:00] good coach, right? And that you know, accountability is not something that you do to players. What is something that you do for players? So I think you develop that throughout your career. And, and I definitely speak about that now to young coaches, just so they understand that I call it the price of nice, the price of nice by not holding kids accountable will come back to bite you at some point, you know, you know, I, I’m a firm believer and especially like your best players, you have to learn to coach them a harder.

Than anybody else on the team. So, you know, going through my career, I think with most young coaches, young teachers, maybe they come out wanting to be liked right away by their players or the students, but you have to develop that, that accountability and being a good coach versus a nice coach. And that’s pretty much it in terms of, you know, some of the things that I would like to share with, with, with everybody.

So thank you very much.

Mike Klinzing: [00:29:53] Lee Swanson Bunker Hill High School Claremont, North Carolina.

[00:30:00] Lee Swanson: [00:30:00] I would say maybe some of the things don’t believe now that I believe early in coaching, what would deal really? And a lot of how we do things I think early on you, you envision for your program that you’re going to go in and work so hard that you’re going to work.

So hard to no other program can do what you’re doing. And I certainly think we want to work harder than any other program, and that’s a goal and hopefully we are doing those things. There’s a lot of other really good programs. They’re going to work really, really, really hard. You better work, really hard and really smart.

Hopefully we’ll have some talent to work with and have some talented players. I think all of those things go into building the winning program. And I think as you get older, you realize there’s, there’s a lot that goes into it, working hard as the base, but there’s a lot more that goes into it. I think with that you realize that it can’t be a grind.

All. All the time. Nobody wants to live life like that. So working smarter you know, there’s times we want to grind and, and sometimes the work is really, really hard. And you know, I think your players understand that, but it needs to be fun. It needs to be something they enjoy going to. [00:31:00] And, you know, nobody wants to live their life on the grind, 24 seven.

We want to work really, really hard and really, really smart. So I think more than anything, we’ve just learned that there’s got to be some balance in that we’ve got to work hard. We also got to work smart and use our time efficiently.

Mike Klinzing: [00:31:15] Thanks for checking out this month’s, Hoop Heads Podcast Round Table.  We’ll be back next month with another question for our all-star lineup of coaches.

Narrator: [00:31:24] Thanks for listening to the podcast presented by Head Start Basketball.

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