PETER LONERGAN – DIRECTOR OF HIGH PERFORMANCE COACH DEVELOPMENT FOR BASKETBALL AUSTRALIA – EPISODE 545

Peter Lonergan

Website – https://australia.basketball/

Email –  peter.lonergan@australia.basketball

Twitter – @lono610

Peter Lonergan is the Director of High Performance Coach Development for Basketball Australia.  Peter is an influential coach educator impacting coaching development around the world. He has been an Australian Opals Assistant Coach, a highly successful State Director of Coaching in Victoria and New South Wales, and an international clinician for FIBA.

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What We Discuss with Peter Lonergan

  • Growing up in Australia watching replays of NBA games featuring Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and Michael Jordan
  • Having an admiration for his coaches and being inspired from a young age to want to impact young people
  • Why he chose basketball over other more traditional Australian sports
  • “Players will be good at exactly what you want them to be good at.”
  • A focus on unselfish play was ingrained in him at an early age
  • “You’ve got to have great clarity in what you’re wanting change to look like and what you think basketball should look like.”
  • “You’ve got to start with the end in mind.”
  • Have more conversations and ask more questions
  • Developing your philosophy as a coach and building it around what you like to watch
  • Why Peter believes attending other coaches practices is such an important tool for learning
  • Terminology and interventions are two things he looks for when observing other coaches
  • “We need to be more concise in our messaging.”
  • Long Term Athlete Development
  • Teaching the four phases of shooting
  • “Success is a huge part of learning and development.”
  • Starting youth players out with a player advantage during drills and small sided games
  • Make what you do in practice look like basketball
  • Ways to increase player engagement with variations of form shooting
  • Staying quiet as a coach, why it’s effective and difficult at the same time
  • “Coach from your personality.”
  • How educating parents can help coaches and players be more successful
  • How Basketball Australia provides support and education and development resources to coaches at all levels.
  • “Developing coaches doesn’t have a commercial return, it doesn’t put money in the bank, but it’s got a long-term return.”
  • Decision-making and small-sided games are the two most common concepts coaches ask him about
  • Making shooting one fluid motion
  • “I want to start practice talking about shooting and I want to finish practice talking about shooting.”
  • The impact of Australia’s Olympic success
  • “I think there’s a really strong connection between community basketball and right up to the elite when it comes to basketball in Australia.”
  • The importance of having a mentor as a coach
  • The discipline of reading to grow your mind
  • His two book recommendations – Why the Best are the Best by Kevin Eastman and Win Forever by Pete Carroll
  • Note taking as a coach and how he turns his notes into articles as a former journalist
  • The energy in the coaching profession around growth and getting better

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TRANSCRIPT FOR PETER LONERGAN – DIRECTOR OF HIGH PERFORMANCE COACH DEVELOPMENT FOR BASKETBALL AUSTRALIA – EPISODE 545

[00:00:00] Mike Klinzing: Hello and welcome to the Hoop Heads Podcast. It’s Mike Klinzing here with my co-host, Jason Sunkle tonight. We are lucky enough to welcome from across the ocean. Basketball Australia’s head of high performance coach development, Peter Lonergan, Peter, welcome to the Hoop Heads Pod.

[00:00:18] Peter Lonergan: Thanks Mike. And thanks for the opportunity to jump on.

I’ve been a fan of the podcast. I’m looking forward to having a chat.

[00:00:25] Mike Klinzing: Well, thank you. We appreciate the kind words. It’s always good to know that there are people out there listening. We are excited that Brent Tipton, who was recently a guest on the show has connected the two of us. And we’re going to dive right in to learn a little bit more about you and your basketball life.

So let’s start by going back in time to when you were a kid, what are some of your earliest memories of the game of basketball?

[00:00:48] Peter Lonergan: I didn’t come to basketball until, I guess like my change from a small regional town in Australia. Yeah, playing cricket and a couple of football [00:01:00] cards. And wasn’t really, until I started following the NBA, which preaches you know, an American import was sort of an exciting thing to go and watch that the love of a my journey into it really didn’t stop well, it’s 7, 8, 9, 8.

You know, I fell in love with clients and then was lucky enough to have some opportunities to get into, get into shooting at a very young age and probably with limited experience like many, many Australian players and touches I sort of let the game watching type delight replays of Magic and Larry and then Michael Jordan, of course.

And and then it evolved from there. It’s probably not a, not an appropriate thing to say is we got for this pandemic, but you know, really caught the basketball virus and hiking me on a 35 year [00:02:00] journey.

[00:02:00] Mike Klinzing: Who’s your guy growing up? Who was the guy that, that you liked the most to watch

[00:02:06] Peter Lonergan: Larry you know, he was, he was from a small country cam you know, crunch lake, and there’s a lot of you know, a lot of things that a lot of student TJ that you can say yeah, it really loved Larry and the Boston Celtics and the way they went about it.

And I get, maybe it was the plan of the shade to make has Glidewell and I just have the I’m. So I am the top of this, and I guess show picks possible of that early to mid nineties.

[00:02:35] Mike Klinzing: What was it about coaching that attracted you to want to jump into it? Obviously, as a player it’s completely different watching the NBA.

You can watch it as a fan. You can play the game, but coaching takes a special kind of mindset. So what was it about the game and wanting to coach that really started you down that path?

[00:02:59] Peter Lonergan: As a [00:03:00] young young man, I really admire my coaches. Most of which were, were volunteers you know, local builders or you know, like we’ll try to men that just wanted to help young people from a very young age.

I can remember as a non-tenure and really having a strong admiration, my coaches and the wall was a coach. And so it was always something I wanted to do, whether that was in, I was trying to lose football or or why on basketball? I just thought the coaching was really cool. I felt the impact you can have on young people’s something that I, I want them to do. And I think the big thing is, as my love of basketball evolved is basketball because you, you can have a really significant impact. You know, as a cricket coach and not disrespected us guys, once the game starts impact football coasts were with basketball, but practice and the [00:04:00] games you’re what there, you’re, you’re very close to it.

You can mute suppliers. And I just loved that you were involved in every aspect constantly, rather than well, the bolts out once the game starts and you know, how.

[00:04:19] Mike Klinzing: So when you think about that ability to impact kids, and then you think about the coaches that coached you when you were a player, is there something that stands out that maybe a coach said to you or a coach taught you during the course of your time as a player that still sticks with you today? Is there anything that you can think of that is still with you that a coach said or did?

[00:04:48] Peter Lonergan: Yeah, I guess it’s a cost. the bus also very light my tapes, but I and I’m selfish now. No, as [00:05:00] my few sports do really preach aim and being unselfish and go to the hall. And not a chance to be corny, but it wasn’t knighted with me. And you know, again, it speaks to those showed exchange balls flying around extra passes.

You know, it just was a, a fun thing to be involved with. And I think that’s been something that’s been a Cory. My coaches making sure we, we play with a really high level of unselfishness. You know, and I guess he didn’t price the beautiful ground in a lot of ways.

[00:05:36] Mike Klinzing: How do you teach that to the players that you work with and you think about unselfishness and you think about how do you get your team to buy into that when they’re.

Some inherent characteristics of people that there’s, there’s some selfishness built in. So how do you build in that unselfishness [00:06:00] in your team? How do you get them to buy into the team concept what’s been successful for you through the years and getting your teams to buy into that?

[00:06:10] Peter Lonergan: Great friend and mentor of mine and catching.

We built homes and wants to tell we don’t quiet. This will be good at exactly what you want them to be good at. And as a young coach I really did and what he meant, but he inspired to what you prioritize, what you value and what you sell. So you know, is a hard thing because it’s hard to know your income impact personalities.

It’s time to try to impact by also, but if you shell a bright and unselfish yet you few highlight film session an act that maybe doesn’t draw but has helped the chain. Clients will buy into that because inherently [00:07:00] bias a place like they, they now you’re the person that hands out the court time, you own only question that can manipulate how many shots and opportunities get.

So if they know what you value they’ve all bought into it. You know, there’s challenges, of course, if acquire is really switched on to, I gotta get my 15, 20 shots a game that comes down to conversations. It comes down to film. But I’m a big one that will be good at exactly what you want to be good at.

And you just got to make sure that you know, what you do on a daily basis.

[00:07:38] Mike Klinzing: All right. So let me ask you a little bit about that. When you think about. As a coach putting together your philosophy, figuring out who you are as a coach and what your team, what you want them to look like and what you do want to prioritize both on a daily basis and over the course of a season.[00:08:00]

How do you recommend, or how do you think about coaches going into, let’s say a season with things that they want to focus on and then breaking it down even further, what would you say to coaches in terms of how they break down their focus in a given practice session? In other words, I think coaches sometimes struggle with, I’m trying to make a lot of corrections or trying to fix a lot of things or I’m, I’m not really focused on only a couple of aspects of team play instead.

I’m just kind of all over the place. So how do you get coaches to focus in on specific things that they want their team or an individual player to be able to improve?

[00:08:42] Peter Lonergan: Yeah, I think you’ve got to start with the end in mind. You, you’ve got to have great clarity is shell in, in what you’re wanting to change to look like and what you think basketball should look like.

Everyone’s got. You know, philosophy but preferences you know, and that comes from mentors and [00:09:00] influencers and maybe the way you play it or the way you would have walked off by the bait know, starting with Andy bought this, just, this is what we want to look for, what our personality shouldn’t be. And then making sure your staff is got a clear picture of the end game.

And then you reverse engineer from, from there the great methodology how, how well you can apply that to your philosophy as well. I think as you said, a lot of coaches build up this system applying requires, and they’ve got all these building blocks to get to the end game, but more than doing it, I’ve got a quick picture in their mind that suppliers have now.

You know, quiet, not many touches, they’ve gone to be compliant. They’re going to do what you want it. If you have an outline, the vision, shine them, what provision looks like as a whole, [00:10:00] it’s going to be really hard to ever log twice. So I think when they ended mine working back, one of the big things that we have without coach development program is two work, more conversations.

Just need to have more conversations ask more questions and then say, Hey, have you got sort of a feel for where we’re headed and not quite as, we’ll be honest with you, you know? If they done, then you have to, you have to go another plan of a test. But I think that’s really important as you’ve got the scene in your mind, what you want to be, who you want to be and how you want the team to play.

Can you then communicate to the other people that are gonna impact us.

And when can you communicate that to the clients

[00:10:53] Mike Klinzing: When you first started coaching, how long did it take you to [00:11:00] understand the need for having that philosophy of coaching and having that end game in mind? And clearly as coaches, we’re all continuing to learn and evolve and our philosophy and the way we go about things can change over time.

But oftentimes as young coaches, we just are kind of all over the place trying to figure out who we are as coaches. What what’s important to us. When do you feel like you started to develop your own philosophy where you would have been comfortable? If someone had asked you, Hey, what’s your philosophy of coaching, where you would have been able to come up with an answer.

[00:11:37] Peter Lonergan: Yeah, it’s a great question. Because as a young coach, I was the great imitator you know at one side of Joe’s, I was Bobby Knight, we were emotion and pushy defense, and I was when I saw him run yelling and screaming, and then I evolved the game, she meets with the right and pointing to the pasta and things.

And [00:12:00] then as I started to work for all the coaches, I was a flex kind of coach, a pressure coach. Also the thing that wasn’t a bad journey, cause you’re learning the whole time, but I would say 15 years in and I started catching up at 19 mid thirties. I just had a feel of how I wanted to change the play and how I wanted to coach them and how I wanted relationships to, to unfold.

So it certainly took a while, but again, I think that’s a negative identity. The tray for using the parching, unless you’re a savant, like Brad Stevens or something like that, and have real clarity on who you are as a coach and how you want to play,

[00:12:44] Mike Klinzing: How do you help the coaches that you work with get to better understand themselves so that they can come up with their philosophy.

And obviously we know that in the basketball world, just as you just described, coaches, [00:13:00] borrow from other coaches that they watch, that they see whether that’s in person or whether that’s on television, whatever it might be. But eventually as a coach, you have to start to decide and prioritize what’s important to you and building your philosophy.

So how do you convey that message to the coaches that you’re working with and help them to develop their philosophy?

[00:13:25] Peter Lonergan: Yeah. I tend to use a lot of questions, especially To tell people out of thinking, I want to buy a dove and box for it. You know, you, you’ve got to communicate and ask questions.

The big question is I asked what, what’s the, what do you enjoy watching? He said you know, San Antonio, I suppose basketball, the beautiful guy. And he said, Chris Powell pick, involve rage and genius. Is it the war is which system you’re pan [00:14:00] Bob’s couple. You have a great Japanese women’s Olympic team you can I have to pay to watch possible.

What would it be? So just trying to you know, what, what you enjoy as a pet, what, what connection resonates with you? And then the next question is, okay, how does that system apply, fit with what you currently do? And often it’s very there’s an ugly because often we, we run the stuff that, that app couches Rommel, or we run on the lightest cool thing, and it’s really not up to personality.

So I’m trying to talk about what if you had a preference, because any way, any stall, what would be, and that’s not always possible because of of the talent and different things. But I think it’s a great starting question. If you really enjoy something and you resonate with it, we’ll know more when you teach that and communicate that to.[00:15:00]

[00:15:01] Mike Klinzing: I think that’s a hundred percent accurate in that coaches need to be able to figure out who they are. They need to be able to then combine that with what their personnel is capable of doing. I know one of the things that you’ve talked about before is the value that coaches can find in attendance.

Other coaches practices. And you mentioned it in your last answer, when you talked about what do coaches typically run? They run the things that their coaches ran that they did as players. I know I could speak for myself in that my very first coaching job was a JV high school job. And when I went into coach that team, I had played for one high school coach.

I played for one college coach, and that was pretty much my entire knowledge of what a practice should look like, what the X’s and O’s of [00:16:00] basketball should look like. And so what did I do? I did those things. I did not have that exposure to other coaches, whether that was through watching video or attending practices.

So just talk a little bit about why you think coaches should be attending other coaches, practices as much as possible and what value they can get out of that.

[00:16:22] Peter Lonergan: That’s the single best coach development activity can watch. I would change practice, you’ll watch games cause we’ve got a love of foster people. You know, whether that’s WNBA, NBA, collegiately, you’re late we watch enough done. So you’d get a bit of learning out of that. But seeing the great teachers Shane have people car Todd’s difficulties, crack the structure, communication style with this seminar.

So when may and you can learn at coaches of any [00:17:00] quick story, I was lucky enough to be in Belgrade Serbia, a wink probably about 15 years ago.

Fantastic. But if not, we would got to use practices in these little high school gyms and we would watch, you know Serbian youth coaches, coach you for things. And often I’d come away from that with four or five pages of notes where I’m away from the practice. Not because the practice wasn’t great, but it just resonated me what they have a teach youth basketball, and that’s where I’ve spent most of my time.

So I think it’s just crucial that you do it. And the reality is if you ask, if you can come to their practice, that’s a compliment to the. So they’re going to say yes, and they’re going to involve you. And they’re going to give you a practice [00:18:00] plan and try and help you because they understand how important is.

[00:18:05] Mike Klinzing: That’s a great point. It’s one of the things that has definitely come through our conversations here on the podcast is just how willing the basketball coaching community is to share their knowledge. And we’ve had, I can’t even count how many coaches have said to us, Hey, you want to come out and watch a practice or Hey, if your audience wants to come out and watch practice, just get in contact with us, let us know if you’re in the area and we’d love to have you come out and see what we’re doing.

And I think that there’s so many different ways of going about organizing practice structure, doing player development, doing your offensive and defensive systems that. If you just pigeonhole yourself into one or two philosophies and you never get outside of your comfort zone and go out and watch other coaches do what they do, then you’re going to end up doing your end [00:19:00] up doing your coaching, a disservice, because you’re not going to expand your mind and your possibilities of what you can do to improve yourself as a coach and ultimately improve your players and then improve your team.

So when you go and you sit at a practice and you’re watching, what are some of the things that you go into a practice looking for, that you can take back to help you to improve? Are you looking for X’s and O’s are you looking for an out of bounds player? Are you looking for terminology? What are some of the things that you specifically look for when you’re watching another coaches practice?

[00:19:40] Peter Lonergan: Yeah, it’s a cycle. When I’d gather practices I’d look for two things and two things are drills that I could use in my practice, in my home setting and clients out of bounds choirs out upon approach that was that was try to, [00:20:00] you know get some good drills and get it to write plays in a way as it evolves.

Now it’s two things, it’s terminology and how the great ones and type a point or a sentence that might take you 20 words to get across and make him do it in five. And it’s got great clarity and the players make change straight away. You know, the lucky enough to spend some time with juke watching and as great as much as shifts fees.

The thing that he does a nice with me uses action terms and he gets to the point and he doesn’t walk forward, just do this. This is how we’re going to do it. It’s just the focus and players respond and then linked to that is interventions. Now how, and when and why the coaches eat the baby. You know, we all know now that they all stopped, stopped.

You know, putting all requires [00:21:00] disease constantly to, to correct is not a great method, but how do you let this flow yet still make sure you are really core level teacher. So I’m looking at the interventions that the drills now, if you know, I’m watching one and jot one down to get pretty cool.

[00:21:26] Mike Klinzing: Can you give us an example of an intervention that you’ve seen a coach do, or that you’ve used yourself that you feel is valuable when someone who’s out there listening could use what their team is there a specific, just an instance, maybe a story, something that you saw that was like, Ooh, that’s really something that a coach could use as an intervention to be able to help their team.

[00:21:53] Peter Lonergan: Yeah. we speak a lot about . And what we mean by that is rather than stop, stop and, and getting [00:22:00] to lectures and speeches like this one bottle you know, you and the staff and across different buyers, what path and it’s it’s a two or three sentence intervention And prawn impacted that why and then move on so they can continue what we’re doing.

You know, one of the big things we bought it and we use it in all our clinics and all that types of development is from Mike Dunlap. And of course Mike had tremendous to chase and all of, and also the NBA. But I heard him once I price constantly as a methodology. So it’s a three-part method intention.

So I might show you, Mike, I love how you come to a jump stop. A deal is great balance there’s for crimes. Hi, Mike, on that, just make sure you pivot on that app. So I put safe, see the collar, and then the next part of it is [00:23:00] belief. And what I mean by waves is not going to get a cup of chain. I will go to the concession stand, but discount.

Going to punch another part of the gang. And I just think that from an intervention point of view, it stops you repeating yourself. It stops you asking that terrible question. No, you might. I might say to you, Hey mom once you to actually you can say the color well, two years, I would say that the understand of course you want, it’s a simple instruction.

And you know how to do with it. It’s I gave you that gave me that instruction tray full time when you’ve got the first time. Why am I still laboring that point? So I think that’s a great one. I use. You know, all the Tom price Crompton leave and, and again, old credits to catch them for that little.

[00:23:59] Mike Klinzing: I [00:24:00] love that. And I think it speaks to the idea as a coach that you want to be as concise with your wording as you possibly can and have something that the players can understand very, very quickly, that can be said quickly, that can be understood quickly. That might have a lot deeper concept behind it that maybe you had to explain that concept.

In depth at some point, but once the players have understood that concept, now they just need to, in the course of a practice setting need to be reminded of that concept. So if you can come up with something that is descriptive, that is short, that is concise. That’s something that I think makes a huge difference in the efficiency of practices.

I know that for myself, this is something that I have not always been very good at. It’s something that I still I think struggle with today when I’m coaching is I tend to be [00:25:00] one who sees something and then I want to do that old school methodology that you described. Peter. I want to bring the players in and I want to describe what happened and what I think should have happened.

And in the meantime, I’ve spent 30 seconds or a minute giving that speech. And I probably only had the player’s attention. Five or 10 seconds. And I probably didn’t have everybody’s attention for any of that time. So it’s a challenge, but I think it’s something that coaches have to be really intentional about is the terminology and the language that they build with their team so that the communication can be efficient.

If you don’t build that language and that terminology with your team, I think it’s a struggle to accomplish what you’re describing. Would you agree with that?

[00:25:49] Peter Lonergan: Yeah, and we’re all guilty over it and it comes from a good place because we we’ve got this information. We think we can help. We think we can create [00:26:00] change and, and really help them find.

So it’s coming from a good cloud. But yeah, I think all of us are evolving. We talk a lot about the power of three Christ is a pallet for having, how do you correct the Jumpshot? We’ll come up with three things that you build a sudden the conditioning calm action. It doesn’t mean you could be done teaching detail that’s done in different settings now at times you do need to stop and bring them in and talk to them as a group.

But if you can speak to the power of three, and I think too, if you can have honesty in the staff you know, Al on the 19 men’s national team coach than Perry does, where he’ll talk to his staff, I kind of presented this information. And as soon as he feels like going into lecture mode, whatever else you just pull out.

No, that’s not what we want. We need to be more concise in our messaging. So the stock talks [00:27:00] about what the messaging is and have it delivered. And it’s not trying to restrict people’s individuality and the teaching points and whatever else, but really commitment to allow the flies to play more stand.

And be efficient in the communication.

[00:27:18] Mike Klinzing: And I do think it’s really important that those conversations are taking place off the practice floor prior to practice. And that the coaching staff is being intentional about what they’re sharing and that they’re all on the same page because when they are, as you said, it allows for the players to spend more time.

Doing what they came there to do, which is to practice as opposed to standing and listening. And when the coaching staff is efficient, the players are more efficient, the practice more efficient. And ultimately you’re going to get more out of what it is that you’re doing. That being said, I want to circle back to youth basketball, and I know you’ve [00:28:00] spent a great deal of your career in youth basketball and a lot of what I’ve done on the basketball floor as a coach, through my camps.

And I’ve been running for a long time is with youth players. And so I have a particular passion for youth basketball. So I wanted to ask you about your philosophy of what youth basketball should look like in terms of a practice setting and what are some of the things that when you’re working with a youth coach, what are the key points that you try to get, get across to those youth coaches?

So that they make sure that their kids, that they’re experiencing a positive environment when they’re with that coach.

[00:28:47] Peter Lonergan: Yeah. We lead perfectly into what is creating is positive and positive. Doesn’t mean we’ve got Sheila on the sideline with telling everyone they’re doing a great job [00:29:00] kids get it. But I understand that it’s a learning environment, contended environment, but, but you know, you see energy in the room, you see energy in the practice sheets D to improvement.

So you know, the first thing is we’ll talk about long-term athlete development, LTA D and that’s got to be the foundation of any use patch. Now we met the high school coach or the youth club coach wants to, and competition is not a dirty word, but you know, that’s not the foundation. At the card game winning’s the family and that’s, that’s what we’re in the business to do.

So long-term athlete, positive learning environment in terms of practice structure. You know, I shouldn’t these, the 20% of title practice shouldn’t be on shooting. I said that probably the twenties and a mom, I think 30% of your title [00:30:00] practice, Tom should be on shooting. And that doesn’t mean just shooting drills.

You know, we talk about the four phases of shooting. You’ve got your form. You’ve got, you’ve gotten kinetic. Sorry. So what’s it look like in terms of your body and movement and put work, then you’ve got your home then repetition. We need to get shots up in the last few situational. So I contested shooting, shooting, shooting out of a lot of what happens in games.

So th there are a few points and of course internationally the use of small sort of times. Yeah. There’s less girls and there’s more things that there’s constraints they would take. We’re not just rolling bowls out. I think in the UK, we have to do more things that more like basketball. I think sometimes we get in the habit of lactase trails.

And really, if you ask suppliers, [00:31:00] what what do you think, why do you think we wouldn’t be able to give you the answer because they say they haven’t made the leap between

[00:31:10] Mike Klinzing: How important do you think from a really early age, putting kids in those small side of games, putting them into games, situations. Helps them to be able to be better decision makers, because obviously basketball is a dynamic game. It’s a game that you can’t predict what’s going to happen. Ultimately, a player’s success or failure is going to be built upon.

Yes, they have to have a certain level of skill, but ultimately the players who are better decision makers on the floor are going to end up being more successful. So at those younger ages, how do you help kids to be able to make better decisions? So you put them into a small side of game and they’re going to [00:32:00] make errors, obviously in judgment at times.

So how do you, as the coach guide their decision-making and help them to better understand how to see the game so that as they continue to progress. And grow and improve and get older that they have those decision-making skills. They have that foundation to build a,

[00:32:22] Peter Lonergan: Yeah, I think the minute I walk in the door, you want to ask them in a small side of diamond bar environment, now it needs to be more what I call platform coaches to stop.

So they need to be on a payment and then you gotta jump stop. There’s a right hand, left hand rails. But you know, one of the great learnings initially, once my children started applying you know, on what their youth coaches in their cars and deal with them you know, some of it was scribed and I thought that’s really good.

I’m gonna incorporate that. I’m gonna talk about that more, but some of it wasn’t so great. And I [00:33:00] thought, well, that’s, you could learn to I think early on we noticed success is a huge part of, of learning and development. So I think early on small size dying should be numerical advantage where you really provide the opportunity for young players to have some success.

So I played free on two guns rather than three on three games. You know, by a little bit a two on one the guidance series of two on one situations. So we need to practice practice practice. So you know, it needs to be more guided earlier. They don’t have the conceptual understanding of what the game looks like.

So they just remove a class. Now play three on two and, and the simple goal is just get it to the open plan and I can shoot they’ll start to understand the nuances of that and have them guide you to dependence and reset. But yeah, I think that’s a great methadone [00:34:00] plan and numerical advantage and disadvantage.

So there’s. A really good opportunity for young players to have success with the hope of success don’t buying.

[00:34:11] Mike Klinzing: Yeah. That makes a ton of sense. And yeah, I like the idea of that advantage disadvantage from a standpoint of it makes the decision, as you described pretty clear pass it to the open player and if you’re the open player, take the shot.

And so you’re kind of narrowing down the decisions that those players have to make, where eventually those reeds and those things are going to become more subtle. And they’re going to be harder to recognize, but by building that foundation in early through that advantage disadvantage, you’re giving them the opportunity to develop their decision making skills, but in an environment where the number of decisions has been at least some.

Control the reduced so that they can make those decisions and they have an opportunity to make mistakes and figure it out. And by doing that, you’re also doing it in a fun [00:35:00] environment, right? Because you’re getting them an opportunity to be able to score and to have success and be able to hopefully get some shots to go in the basket, which is probably the reason why we all started.

This is probably the reason why we all started playing in the first place, right. To watch the ball go through go through the basket. That’s what we, what we all live for. And I know you have some thoughts about how important form shooting is, and you maybe do it a little differently than, than some coaches traditionally have.

Can you talk a little bit about what your philosophy is behind form shooting and why you think it’s such an important part of player development?

[00:35:37] Peter Lonergan: Yeah. Well, I think if you think of back when you were applying form shooting has been such a big part of how we, you know the traditional foam shooting mind numbing, boring drills in the history of the sport and that standing under the with the bowl in one hand, [00:36:00] lifting up a follow-through it struck some value and understanding.

I’m not saying that we tried that as sort of drills out the window, but there’s been trying, we’re trying or intentional how team and more applied coaching. You know, we can expand home phone. Doesn’t have to be standing too far from the basket and trying to get old screens. You know, we can incorporate some pivoting cause that’s, what’s going to happen to me down.

It doesn’t have to be fast. It doesn’t have to be, you know 4, 6, 8 foot from the basket, but you know, just have to teach pivot before they do the form through a wall or just have them spin it out and stick one, two weeks. So now, rather than just develop the follow through and the arm action we’re dealing with, we’re developing the relationship.

You know, one of the big things with home for me is it just separates the pops to match. And then we bring them back [00:37:00] together until the kids are in it. So when they’re trying to shoot, it’s fake so that we’ve separated into a rage and then 10 minutes, they were in a drill and we’ll ask them to work off the pill, catch it on the one to lift into the shot pocket, how I follow through I think that.

It’s too big now. So adding some variation one more guy, my wife, and more intentional for, to we, we had a situation in in a, and I was involved with where we charted the shot shooting. We didn’t tell applies, but we’re, we’ll just, we’ll just chatting it and standing in full obtain with shooting just on 70%, I’m talking form a meter from the basket no question 90 cents from whatever it was less than 78%.

Not because [00:38:00] they weren’t Sam, not because they weren’t good players, they put no value on it at all. It was just mind numbing. It would put six minutes on the walk and we would say, Going back to the coaches and go and chat about the practice shooting, the foam shoe. I want you guys now one’s intentional about it, you know?

So we tried to add some elements to, to make it one a bit more fun, but the, to make it look like basketball.

[00:38:36] Mike Klinzing: Yeah,It’s amazing how things have changed in terms of making sure that what you’re doing actually looks like the game and it seems like it would be so naturally intuitive that it should have always been that way.

But we know that. It hasn’t been that way, especially at the youth level where you have players who are just developing their skills. And [00:39:00] as you said, there has to be some baseline level of skill development that the players have to have in order to be able to execute some of the more advanced skills that are necessary.

When we think about what makes the game fun. When we think about introducing some variability, when we think about incorporating things that are going to make it look more like the game, we’ve certainly evolved in that way, when it comes to our way that we structure practice. When you start thinking about how to make the game fun for youth players, I’ve always said that one of the things that I try to do as a coach when I’m working with youth players, is to make sure that the environment that I create is one that.

Makes the kids that participate with me, whether that’s on a team and a practice where they come to a camp, whether they go to a clinic that it’s going to be fun [00:40:00] so that they want to come back and they want to play more basketball. So if you were talking to a coach who was going to coach a group of, let’s say, 10 year olds, what advice would you have for them to make sure that they made their practice environments fun for the players, and yet still provide a quality learning environment?

[00:40:23] Peter Lonergan: Yeah, it’s interesting. My son, just 10, 10 maybe three weeks ago, he had his first year open on as possible this year. And so I would kind of the practice he had terrific coaches, but of course the first thing that he and his friends would ask the post, the minute practice status, when we play, we’re going to scream it’s when do we get the quiet.

Because that’s what every non-intentional wants you to do. They want to fund, they understand practices important, and yet I want to learn, but they know to let interesting trails when it comes down to if I want to apply [00:41:00] now, what we’ve got a name and what we’ve got to do is we’re going to apply all the time, but clients can be one-on-one or falling apart.

Yeah. So, yeah, we’re not probably going to pipe out of them today because strychnine in my little youth team I’m on the headlight or the tour of the school paint. So we can’t quite find, but we’re going to apply the whole time. And I think that the concept of, of teaching drill up quiet, then the power of three to teach it real quiet is really powerful with that.

I can then walk through to 16, 7, 8. So we’re going to teach the skill. You know, we’re going to give you the tools to hopefully have some success, then we’re gonna drill it. Now we’re going to cut this up. So you get some work petition, you get the physical feel of it. You get to execute it in a safe [00:42:00] environment.

It doesn’t matter if you just said show, although you don’t execute that cobble or whatever else. And then you got to apply it. Now I have a seat impacting teaching it that’s the coach’s time. Well, that’s the, that diminishes a little bit where you get to drill it where the coach is doing more guided learning and God discovery with the choir.

I think the big thing now that is when you get to quiet the coach, you got to keep your mouth shut. For the most part it’s more about encouragement, Schiller, buttons, successes cause you can’t coach through the whole freestyle. If you can do Coke heavily through the whole fruit stages, it’s not playing in the client’s mind.

So that’s a little power, three methods that we try on a spouse through a little quiet.

[00:42:57] Mike Klinzing: I like that. I think it makes a ton of sense. When you [00:43:00] talk about what’s going to make the experience, the best one for the players, we’ve all watched unfortunately, youth games where you have coaches on the sideline who are constantly yelling out decisions that they want players to make in real time, out on the floor.

And. I think when I look at what makes a good youth coach, obviously it comes down to be able to create that type of practice environment like we’ve been talking about. But I also think that there’s some parent education when it comes to what a good youth coach should look like on the sidelines during an actual game.

I think people sometimes feel like they should see someone running up and down the sideline, yelling and screaming and giving all kinds of instruction. Whereas I think you can make a case that a good youth coach is going to [00:44:00] behave slightly differently than what we might see from a professional coach that we watch on TV.

So in your mind, if you were going to give advice to a coach, who’s coaching youth basketball of what they should be doing in a game now that’s provided that they’ve done what they should be doing during practice, but what does a good youth coach in your mind look like on the sidelines of a game?

[00:44:24] Peter Lonergan: Yeah, well, firstly, they’ve got a coach from their personalities, so they don’t need to try and be Gregg Popovich on the sideline because you’re not great. So they’ve got a coach, them, their personality. Secondly your job is to not be a distraction. And I know early in my coaching always in instruction, I was running up and down the side and I was, you know waving my hands in the air.

I was yelling at officials. You know, I was backing out driving, shooting, posit all those terrible things. And then.[00:45:00]

I was really insulted, but then I realized what the person said was, was right. So I think the last thing is it’s, it can’t be a a vast separation from practice to the game. You can’t behave and have a certain method, method, and philosophy and practice, and then be a completely different person in, in, in the game.

So that’s what I would say. And in terms of parents you just got to verbalize that this is how I’m going to approach it. This is what I think is the best way to do this.

[00:45:40] Mike Klinzing: Yeah. It’s such a challenge. I think one of the things that I always point to when I think about how we can make the game of basketball better, I think by educating parents, which is always a challenge and it goes along with coach education.

But I think if parents had a better understanding of the why [00:46:00] behind. Coaching methodology. And not that every parent is going to necessarily be interested in that, but I think if we share sort of a why behind what we’re doing, I think it’s going to make for a better experience for those parents, but also for their players and for coaches.

And certainly that’s a challenge. Is that an easy thing to do, but if we can help people to understand that there are other ways besides, as you said, running up and down the sideline, waving your arms and screaming, all kinds of instructions. Probably the players can’t process or utilize in any meaningful way anyway, that we’d, we’d end up with a much better situation for, for young players.

I know there’s a story out there that would you want somebody coming to your job and screaming at you and telling you what to do every second from behind your shoulder? And we think about what we do to kids who are 6, 7, 8 years old, trying to learn the game. And it’s just a parent in the stands, [00:47:00] just yelling things at them when we know mostly they’re yelling, shoot it.

But nonetheless, they’re just yelling things. And it’s just, I don’t know, it’s, it’s somewhat you, sometimes you go to those games and it’s easy to get discouraged that man, are we, are we doing what we need to do? And I think that the better educated we can make coaches the better educated we can make parents.

I think the better environment we’re going to be able to create for our players.

[00:47:26] Peter Lonergan: Yeah, I agree. And I was worked at a club in Melbourne in the mid two thousands and, and we had a lot of youth teams read about 40 youth teams as part of the program. And for the under twelves, we would have a parent clinic at the start of the year where we’d have the teams out on the floor with their team coaches, running a practice, geared around skill development, concept development, small sided games, et cetera, et cetera.

And then we would have [00:48:00] myself and another senior coach explain the drills, explain the terminology, explain why the coaches were doing certain things as it was happening. So the player, the parents, sorry, we’re watching. And then now we’re getting down to stand. This is why we do this, this. This is why we prioritize this as opposed to this, this is why we don’t play zone.

Cause you can see how it impacts the skill. Now I’m not suggesting for a minute. We didn’t have any issues. Of course we did. But what it did is it at least provided some information to the parents and allowed the, the coaches to, to feel like it just coached the kids rather than be second guessing them.

So that, that was time well spent it wasn’t perfect, but it certainly was a good investment.

[00:48:48] Mike Klinzing: Yeah, absolutely. I can see where making sure the parents understood the why behind what was happening was going to pay off. And as you said, I’m sure it wasn’t perfect and [00:49:00] nothing, no system ever is. But I think if we can continue to be able to sort of pull back that curtain on what good coaching looks like and more people out there understand it, it’s going to help, not only youth basketball, but it.

All you sports. If people just were able to have a better grasp and a better understanding of what that long-term athlete development model looks like, that you talked about earlier and what their kids should be getting, what their kids should be, seeing, how they should be being coached at whatever their stage of development is.

And then ultimately it ends up making the game better for everybody. I wanted to talk to you a little bit about your role with Australia basketball. Just talk a little bit about what your, what your title means and what it is that you actually do on a day-to-day basis for Australian basketball.

[00:49:55] Peter Lonergan: Yeah, well, it’s like all modern business.

You know, the titles are often a [00:50:00] lot fancier in reality. And I think this is my third. I’ve been in the job nearly five years, my third title. And I think that the titles get cooler every time and like meet them far more important than they are, but the job hasn’t changed. So yeah, it’s trying to impact coaches.

Our model here is a little bit different than north America in the sense that probably in the high 80% of basketball coaches in this country and volunteers you know, even though we have a school basketball. System it’s not as entrenched as it is in north America, for example. So it’s mostly clubs and associations and those people work in a bank during the day, and then they go and run the team practices in the afternoon and evening.

So because they’re not getting paid, we need to pay them in a different way. And that’s through support and education and development resources. So, and that’s from, you know youth [00:51:00] coaches right through to emerging pro coaches and people that coach a junior national team. So we have a system of course you know, formal courses, but we’ll also our aim is to have 40 to 50 coaches clinics nationally a year that are free, that people can just go and share information.

You know, we try and share as much resources and develop as many resources as we can. And so that’s in a nutshell, it’s you know, as I say, it’s certainly better than a real job just to spend time with coaches, talk, coaching, talk, basketball, watch practices, give feedback. So it’s yeah, it’s a fun role.

We’re really fortunate that that basketball Australia continues to resource it because as you know, developing coaches doesn’t have a commercial return it doesn’t put money in the bank, but it’s got a long-term [00:52:00] return. So it’s you know, we’re in the investment in the investment business, and I’m glad that that mining player in our Federation will, is willing to continue to invest.

[00:52:12] Mike Klinzing: Absolutely. What are, when you’re out in the field, talking to coaches, what are some of the common things that they’re asking about? Or what’s something that seems to be a theme that you hear from coaches that they want to know more of? What kind of information are they looking for in the clinics? Is there one or two things.

No matter where you go, they almost always are asking about, Hey, I want to learn more about this or that. Is there something that fits that description?

[00:52:43] Peter Lonergan: Yeah, I think the two things, and we’ve touched on a lot here in the two, two things is decision-making I think the sport’s evolved while drills and Xs and are still important.

I think you know, coaches understanding how to develop a play. You’re going to develop an [00:53:00] understanding and an IQ. So decision-making small sided games probably the most common question when it comes to small sided games is, but how do you teach it out of it? Like we understand they’re going to learn by doing and learn by discovery.

But does it limit your ability to teach? So when you try and unpack that a little bit and pleasingly, the other one is shooting every couch wants to know I’m certainly not a girl in that field, but every coach wants to know how can we impact shooting? You know, my team now, he shoots at this percentage we shoot a lot in practice.

What am I doing? The right thing? You know, should we be doing it differently? Should we be doing contested shooting? So those, those two are the main questions and talking points, I think.

[00:53:52] Mike Klinzing: Well, let me ask you one more follow-up question would shooting and then we’ll dive into some more of the things that you’ve been able to do in your [00:54:00] career.

If you were going to design a practice or a series of practices to help a team. Improve their shooting. What in your mind would that look like? So you just mentioned a couple of different things. We’ve talked a little bit about form shirting shooting earlier. We talked about being able to get reps in, and then we’re talking about situational or contested shots.

What would the breakdown look like in terms of, I don’t know if you want to break it down by minutes reps, however you want to structure it, but just in your mind, if you could put together what would be an ideal development opportunity for a team to be able to improve across the board as shooters, what would that look like?

[00:54:44] Peter Lonergan: Yeah, well, again those four same as developing kinetics. So in other words how do they move their body? How do they connect the pieces? How do they, how do we make it a one fluid motion rather than a clunky series of [00:55:00] mechanical motions you know, foam are we really having an impact on how the ball comes out of their hand?

You know, their follow through they’re holding the ball ride. Is that. Guide hand coming off. Once we got that getting some ribs and then into the more situational stuff. So I guess I would warm up with the kinetics. You know, I say all these warmups and practices, and they’re not linked to basketball.

We’re going to do, as I said, we’re doing more things that look like basketball. So rather than just jog up and down the pole and do high knees and all sorts of twisting and turning and whatever else, see if you can get some movements that look like the Jumpshot. See if you can get some movements that look like basketball in the warmup.

Go straight into, to form then leave shooting for a period of time. You know, when I talk a bit about 30% of total practice, tone being shooting, it’s not the [00:56:00] first 30% of practice and it’s not the first 20 minutes of year and a half session. You know I added the full and the first thing you want to do when you come out of form shooting is get into a small side of game because forum’s not fun informed.

Doesn’t look like the game and you want to continue to do that. So I just think, making sure that you got four windows in your practice maybe all separated that they understand one that shootings important to you. It’s important to the game. And it doesn’t become okay now wish. I think too often coaches, it’s almost like they define, we’re going to have this one period of practice where we shoot it.

Well we should be shooting it all the time. And it shouldn’t be sprinkled throughout practice when we’re fresh. When with the tape, when we’re frustrated, when we all that sort of thing. And you know, people always talk about finishing with playing, especially with youth teams. You know, I want to finish shooting, [00:57:00] you know, I want to stop practicing, talking about shooting and I want to finish practice talking about shooting.

[00:57:04] Mike Klinzing: I think it’s a great point of sprinkling it in at different points during the practice. I think typically what you see with coaches is they have a set way. They like to structure their practices. So maybe the shootings always at the beginning, or maybe it’s always at the end and they don’t vary that up.

And I could see the value. And as you said, when you start out practice and everybody’s fresh, that’s one feel for shooting and then maybe you do it at the end a different day. And your body feels a little bit, a little bit different after you’ve practiced for an hour, an hour and 15 minutes, hour and a half, and then you’re getting to your shooting at that point.

So I think there’s a lot of value there. I think there’s value in that variability and that’s, what’s really gonna create. Better shooters, because as we know, clearly you have to get your reps in, but each shot that you take in a game is coming off a different piece of footwork, a different movement out on the floor.

There’s [00:58:00] a, the word you use kinetics is different each time, depending on what the footwork is and where you’re coming from and how you’re using a screen, are you shooting off the dribble or whatever it might be. And to be able to get that variability into your shooting, to me, seems like a no-brainer. If you can figure out a way as a coach to, to vary up what you do so that you’re getting players, the reps they need, and also giving them game-like conditions to make, as you said, numerous tabs to make practice look more like the games.

And that to me is really what it’s all about. Basketball Australia. How important has the success of the men’s national team at the Olympics, Ben in continuing to popularize the sport of basketball in Austria.

[00:58:49] Peter Lonergan: Yeah, it’s been, it’s been huge. You know, basketball is a big sport in Australia, but you know, we have a number of other more traditional sports, I guess that have [00:59:00] been part of the Australian psyche for a long time cricket, we mentioned, and we have multiple football coach here.

So basketball is always desperately trying to fight for air time and media and whatever else. And you know, Not just the fact that the team was able to win our first metal of senior competition at that level, but the way they did it you know, it’s, it’s hard not to, to have a really strong affinity and love for the way Patty mills goes about it.

And you know, the group plays with a great personality. So yeah, it’s been huge. We’re sort of riding the wave and, and making sure that we can you know, we can make the most of the, the great energy that performances as sort of brought to the sport

[00:59:53] Mike Klinzing: Basketball Australia, you feel is doing really well right now.

Helping to [01:00:00] improve the game. What do you, what do you see as being the strengths of the organization at this point?

[01:00:06] Peter Lonergan: I think there’s a really strong commitment and a long-term commitment to, to player and coach development. And I guess that’s a bit of a biased answer because that’s what I mean. But as I said the player and coach development,  that’s an investment.

It’s not a, it’s not a return piece in terms of money in the bank and being able to do different things, you know? So sometimes the pressures of finance and whatever else make organizations make certain decisions that aren’t about developing the sport and developing players and things like that.

So I think that’s a big one. You know, we have our center of excellence program here in camp, which is completely focused on the development of the [01:01:00] next generation of, of national team players, but boomers and opals. And I think the other thing that, that our organization does really well is, is try to have an impact and, and, and have a presence at all the level of the sport.

It’s not just pro level or Olympic teams. It’s okay, how can we develop the small clubs? How can we support those volunteer coaches, the referees that do it for $5, 50 a game to, to help out in the rec leagues and, and things like that. I think there’s a really strong connection between community basketball and right up to the elite.

[01:01:41] Mike Klinzing: What’s something you feel like could be done better or something you’d like to see, get a little bit more emphasis so that you could have an impact in, in a, maybe a, a new area.

[01:01:56] Peter Lonergan: Yeah. That’s an interesting, interesting question. I, I [01:02:00] just think you know, it’s always, communication is always a challenge because you’ve got so many multifaceted it’s a multi-faceted environment from.

From small clubs to, to major Crow clubs and the national Federation. So I know their BAS working really hard on, on, I guess, that kind of activity whether that’s through social media, whether that’s through platforms that allow people to have great access to information and be more efficient in the way that we can share information and help people that are helping the sport.

I think that’s the ongoing challenge.

[01:02:40] Mike Klinzing: We’ve talked a lot about how you and basketball Australia through the clinics, through your teaching, through outreach, that you’re trying to pour into coaches to improve the coaching profession for you yourself. When you want to grow and improve. [01:03:00] Who do you look to?

What resources do you go to when you think about improving yourself as a coach, improving yourself as a clinician growing in your particular roles that you can be even of more value to the coaches that you’re serving. What do you do to grow as a professional coach?

[01:03:22] Peter Lonergan: I think twofold answer. I think the first point is the power of mentors.

The importance of mentors. You know, I’ve been fortunate to, to you know, have three or four mentors over a long period of time. You know, I just spoke to one of those mentors who is now in lacrosse, Wisconsin. You know, last week and just pick these brain about a few things. And I think staying connected with those mentors and just ringing up and asking questions and you know, our coaches are like, you ask them one question and they give you 14 answers, but that’s a good thing.

Yeah. You take notes and then you can do it. So [01:04:00] that’s the first thing people that I’ve coached with or for. That had an impact as a young coach. You know, I try and stay connected with those people a lot. And I think one of the most pleasing things of, of social media and the digital age is the opportunity to do this, you know absolutely and just share information and people can, can have a negative connotation around social media, but Twitter is a great connector.

You know, I’ve got you know, really valuable coaching relationships with people that I’ve never dealt within in 3d. I’ve never physically been in the same room as him, but sharing information and ask them questions, reading you know, that, that’s what I try and do, I guess the third one would be, I read you know, I try and have a discipline around you know, reading.

You know, 15 to 20 books a year. And, and staying with that [01:05:00] discipline because when you get busy, the first thing that goes is that, but that’s an investment piece too. So I would think that would be the three big things that I try and let John to. I’m lucky. I can walk out any stage and watch our center of excellence and the NBA global academy practice.

So I can get my, my fix and my field of watching that on a daily basis, if I want that.

[01:05:26] Mike Klinzing: You mentioned reading, you mentioned 15 to 20 books a year. Is there a book that stands out that you’ve read in the last year or two as one that if coaches out there haven’t read it, that you recommend, they pick up.

[01:05:42] Peter Lonergan: Yeah, Kevin Eastman, you know why the best of the best is I think Kevin Eastman, we’re lucky enough to have him out here for some clinics and he’s just a great thinker and his clarity of thought is, is great. So that’s one why, why the best other best now the one Pete Caroll Win [01:06:00] Forever, I just think he’s, he’s one of the most innovative thinkers in sport.

And obviously that’s not a sport we have here in Australia and in, in you know, NFL ride-on, but those two you know probably 20 books in my office here that I try and have a disciplinary 20 minutes a day, or I just open up from, at a page and try and read mine 30 pages. And there might go twos at the moment.

[01:06:26] Mike Klinzing: The Kevin Eastman book, I think speaks to our earlier conversation. I think one of the things that he does really, really well, and it comes across very clearly in that book is he’s able to take very complex concepts and ideas and boil them down to their very simplest terms. Where when I read that book, I came away from that just blown away by the simplicity of his words.

And yet they were. [01:07:00] Very very powerful. And I think it’s a great, great read for any coach who’s out there. Why the best of the best by Kevin Eastman, I can completely completely back you on that one. I have not read wind forever by Pete Carroll. So I’m going to have to pick that one up and put that on my, put that on my list to start reading when you’re doing all those things.

So when you’re talking with mentors, when you’re reading, when you’re watching practices, do you have a particular method that you use for. Writing things down and keeping track of some of the things that you learn so that you can then go back to you. Do you use computer files? Do you have a notebook?

Yeah. How do you go about organizing the information that you gather from these various sources so that you can refer back to it and start to incorporate it into what you do? Because it’s one thing to hear it. It’s another thing to actually put it into practice. So how do you go about organizing your thoughts and the [01:08:00] things you’re learning as a.

[01:08:03] Peter Lonergan: Yeah. I’m a notebook person. You know you know, I’m, I’m taking notes as we’re having this conversation. You know, cause you can always learn and, and really it’s just a plain notebook. And just write things that resonate and whatever else that the why try and embed it is in my early pre basketball life, I was a journalist, so I I try and write articles.

So. If I watch a practice or I have a discussion with someone that and I think there’s some really good points there. I think we should share that. You know, we have a coaches site for basketball, Australia, and many of the articles and just from conversations that I’ve had with terrific coaches or leaders or, or conversations about the game or watching a practice.

So yeah, I just take a lot of notes and then try and turn those notes into documents and articles, which is more for me about [01:09:00] embedding the learning, but it also gives you an opportunity to share.

[01:09:04] Mike Klinzing: Yeah, no question. That’s a really interesting way of thinking about it as a former journalist that I’ve never heard anybody say that they take their information that they’ve learned and put it into articles.

I’ve had a lot of people talk about journaling and writing things down and circling back and how that helps. Embed the learning by actually writing it with pen and paper, as opposed to typing it on a computer. But I have not ever had anybody Peter tell me that they turn it into articles. So that’s really interesting.

I’m sure that’s again, another way for you to challenge your thinking and to get you to clarify what it is that you’ve learned. Because one of the things that I always I think struggle with is I’ll read something, I’ll learn something, I’ll be excited about that something, and maybe I’ll even write it down, but really the next step is to be able to implement that in my life or in my [01:10:00] coaching or in my systems that I use for whatever it is that I may be reading about or learning about.

And it’s one thing to hear it or read it. It’s another thing to implement it. I think that’s something that if you’re a coach, if you can figure out a way to. Learn from some of the methods that you’ve talked about. Some of the things that we’ve shared tonight on a podcast or coaches have their own ways of being able to learn.

But the important thing is that not just that you get it inside your brain, but that you also actually implement it and put it into your life. And that’s where you’re really starting to lock and unlock true value. I want to ask you one more question before we wrap up, because I know we’re pushing up on our scheduled time.

I want to be respectful of your time. So my final question for you is when you think about what you get to do every day, and you look ahead in the next year or two, what’s the biggest challenge that you have in front of you. And then when you think about what [01:11:00] you get to do on a daily basis, what brings you the most joy about your job and what you get to do?

So your biggest challenge and your biggest joy.

[01:11:10] Peter Lonergan: Yeah. Well, the first thing I mentioned that before I wake up every day and say, Hey, this is better than a real job. So gratitude is a big one making sure that you understand that it’s a good opportunity. I think the biggest challenge is in the pandemic world at the moment is I think the only way that you can develop coaches is I call it the John candy method, planes, trains, and automobiles.

There you go. You’ve, you’ve got to be out there. You’ve got to do it in 3d. You know, you’ve got to visit people, you’ve got to attend their practice. You’ve got to you gotta be in their environment to do it. And so that, that remains a challenge. You know, moving around freely, still remains a challenge.

Hopefully. You know, hopefully the you [01:12:00] know, things change here soon and we can, we do that. So that that’s the biggest challenge is just staying committed and, and trying to find ways to spend time in people’s environment rather than being sitting in a, in a, you know pallets on top of the hill, making edX and, and being the all-knowing guru.

The thing that excites me at the moment is, and it’s a byproduct of a very terrible time, is the, the absolute hunger and thirst for learning and sharing of information. Now, you know you know, we’ve all done a million zooms and a million pods and whatever else, but there’s a real energy around growth and getting better.

And I think once we get back to competitive basketball, that’ll be a really positive environment. So that’s probably how it sum that up.

[01:12:48] Mike Klinzing: I agree. I think what’s interesting is. We now have. The ability to connect with people, as you said, through [01:13:00] zoom, through virtual coaching clinics, through podcasts. And when we eventually get back to where we can be in person and coaches can travel and we can have in-person clinics.

And some of the things that we know help to develop, it’s going to be great to have the best of both worlds. I guess we’ve learned something through the pandemic that I’m not sure that we would have without it, when it comes to the ability to connect with people virtually, whether that’s through again, the virtual coaching clinics, whether that’s through podcasts, whether that’s through any other type of method technology, things that we’ve been able to do here with with technology during, during, during this time that.

It has been a challenge, but I think it’s also brought some things that are going to improve the coaching profession moving forward. So before we wrap up Peter, I want to give you an opportunity to share how people can connect with you, how they can find out more about what you’re doing with basketball Australia, whether you want to share [01:14:00] social media, email, website, whatever you feel comfortable with sharing.

And then after you do that, I’ll jump back in and wrap things up.

[01:14:08] Peter Lonergan: Thanks, Mike. Yeah, well, we have our basketball Australia coaches site where we try and put clinic videos and clinic notes articles on couple, three times a week. So that’s coach.basketball.net.au is that site as I said, I think Twitter’s a great way to share information.

And my Twitter @lono610 And I’ll try and share as much on that as I can. And so they’re the, probably the two ways to do it. And, and I love doing gauge and anyone who wants to engage I love to share information and, and pick your brains on what you guys think as well.

So that’s probably the best way to do it.

[01:14:58] Mike Klinzing: Perfect. Peter, we cannot thank [01:15:00] you enough for taking the time out of your schedule to join us from halfway around the world. Really appreciate your time to everyone out there. Thanks for listening. And we will catch you on our next episode. Thanks.