Dr. Bob Greczanik

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Dr. Bob Greczanik has a Masters of Science in Health and Human Performance, and is a Certified Performance Coach. Dr. Bob specializes in Oriental Medicine, Flow States, Sports Medicine, and Energetic technologies.  For the past twenty years, he has been serving athletes of all levels in achieving peak performance, injury prevention and rapid recovery.  He has worked with organizations and athletes from the: Seattle Seahawks, Seattle Sounders, Detroit Pistons, Memphis Grizzlies, Sacramento Kings, Los Angeles Clippers, Portland Trailblazers, Philadelphia 76ers, Milwaukee Bucks, Chicago Bears, New England Patriots, Cincinnati Bengals, Dallas Cowboys, Cleveland Browns, Seattle Mariners, San Diego Padres, Philadelphia Phillies Roma Soccer, University of Washington Football, Soccer, Track and Field, the US Women’s Soccer team, and many individual Professional, College and Olympic Athletes. 

By combining Eastern and Western healing modalities, Dr. Bob has discovered new ways to optimize the body’s energy system to improve performance, increase efficiency and consistency, enhance recovery and give teams the competitive advantage of having healthy players. He is a pioneer in the arena of in-game enhancement as a Player Performance Consultant.  His clinic is in Bellevue, WA and he travels extensively throughout the US to work with Athletes, Coaches and Teams.

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What We Discuss with Dr. Bob Greczanik

  • Growing up in Ohio playing pickup basketball
  • His path to college basketball
  • Why he was always studying stuff not taught at school
  • How he got interested in alternative medicine/healing through a mentor
  • Acupuncture as both a rehab and performance tool
  • His friendship with Jamal Crawford
  • The Flow Cycle and its influence on performance
  • How acupuncture can get you out of struggle
  • Asking coaches, “When do you coach your best?”
  • If you hate to lose, just let it go because that will eat you up
  • The best flow concept we’ve ever seen is pickup basketball
  • Breathing techniques to help you perform better
  • Always have fun in your fundamentals
  • Sleeping is your best training. Do not forget about sleeping. That’s when the whole body regenerates.
  • Why nutrition is so important
  • His upcoming book, “Free Health” with tips to improve your health, fitness, and performance

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[00:00:00] Mike Klinzing: Hello and welcome to the Hoop Heads Podcast. It’s Mike Klinzing here without my co-host Jason Sunkle tonight, but I am pleased to be joined from the Energetic Sports Lab by Dr. Bob Greczanik, Bob, welcome to the Hoop Heads Pod

[00:00:12] Dr. Bob Greczanik:  Thanks for having me. Hey, I want to give a quick shout out to a person that passed away about two weeks ago.

Dan Potopsky, former Kent State Hooper. What do you got from you, Mike?

[00:00:25] Mike Klinzing: I know Dan, I knew him from way back. I knew a bunch of guys in his family that long time, long time officials guys that  that went to Jeff went to North Royalton, played against him back when I was a kid.

So yeah, a lot of connections here in Northwest Ohio for the Potopski family, for sure.

[00:00:43] Dr. Bob Greczanik: So my grandfather was, his coach always talked about, we called him big Dan. I think he holds still a record for most points in the game at Ken state, like 49 or 48. I think he’s in there for the top. I don’t know, four or five highest gains, but my grandfather always said, he goes,  Dan, he goes, you might be six, three or six, four, but look how high his hips are.

So I always made me think about guys with high hips. So I just want to give a shout to Dan. He passed away for, but great human being. He became a mentor to my uncle who was also kind of a mentor to me. So I just want to start with that one. It’s a blessing to the basketball gods.

[00:01:15] Mike Klinzing: Absolutely. I mean, I think when you look at people who have kind of been a part of the Kent State basketball family. And then of course, basketball here in Northeast, Ohio. I think that’s a, a prominent name that we’ve all come in contact with that, with the Potopski family at some way, shape or form over the course of our time. And as you and I talked in our pre-pod call you and I have a lot of connections, we think, I don’t know if we’re we’re 99.9%.

Sure that at some point we, we met up on, we met up on the basketball court in the, in the now long defunct, Ohio games, which were kind of like in an Olympic style festival back when I don’t know you and I were probably in our, I don’t know, early twenties maybe is when that was, is when that was going on.

Just oh man. Basketball was so it was, so it was so different back then compared to what our kids what our kids experienced today. They, they, they didn’t get the opportunity to play, play outdoors and play as much pickup ball, certainly as you and I did back back in the day.

[00:02:18] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Big time. That’s a great awareness about people playing actually like just playing to play and you go place to place.

You go play some other park in the same day. Yeah, no question. You have a, you have a trainer that trained you all day, whatever that means.

[00:02:28] Mike Klinzing: Yeah. That did not not exist in any way, shape or form. It was just which asphalt court was I going to next and who was going to get in the car and drive there with you.

And could you find, could you find a game you had to start to figure out well, here’s, here’s where the good games are on Tuesday night and here’s where they are on Sunday night. Where are all the players going to be on this day? And can, can we, can we get into a gym, which it was a lot harder. It was a lot harder.

It was a lot harder to get into a gym when you and I were kids. Those things were locked up tight. Whereas now kids see a lot more access through AAU and practice and kids being able to work on their game indoors as opposed to I’m sure what you and I did, which is just being out on our driveway or going and playing pickup all for sure.

So for people who don’t know, you grew up in mass little Ohio. So just tell us a little about your athletic background, growing up with hoops and just a little bit about your experiences as a.

[00:03:17] Dr. Bob Greczanik: So quick one, I actually grew up in Independence, Ohio. So my grandfather, my grandfather was a superintendent in that he was, he used to play for Cleveland Browns and he went to at the time, I think it was called Case or whatever it was called.

They used to play like in the sun bowl. So one of his, one of his teammates was Bill Belichick’s dad. So I used to call my grandfather, Josh and said, Josh, you can tell me about, be check, excuse my language. He goes, toughest son of a bitch. You ever played with he’d bite you in the pile hit you place. You wanted to hit that guy was tough, but he goes, he knew the game.

So him and my grandfather used to talk a lot. So my grandfather was a very good coach in independence, in the hall of fame, all that stuff. So when I was younger, he used to get me into the gym all the time. And then my uncle was also a very good player at independence, went on and became an all American track runner at Paul mall.

So I remember I was a freshman. Down in Massilon. So we had moved a few times, moved to Detroit, moved Detroit area. Then we moved back to Massilon and goes, Hey, we’re going to play hoop this time. I’m like play hoop again, too. So it was Tom Tupa in his guys. We hooped against, there you go. And he’s like, he goes, Hey, that kid’s not bad, man.

So Tom. So I remember that I was a little, I was in eighth grade, so I still got a few buckets. So I played at Massilon Jackson high school. I had a very interesting injury when I was a ninth grader. I started to dunk like at the end of eighth and ninth grade. And I don’t know, man, 36 vertical, who knows where you’re jumping or whatever.

But after a football season, I was playing against the varsity guys and I’m pining shots on the backboard,  tip dunks, things like that. The same night, like you and I were talking, one of my buddies goes, Hey, we’re going to play at Doug Smith’s house. Okay. I’ll be over. So they start, this one guy starts calling me white chocolate and I get mad.

So I start blocking shots and I’m like, dude, don’t call me white chocolate, but I blocked a shot, sprained my ankle. And it was the size of a pumpkin. It was, it was huge. So that’s going to be a, that’s going to be in the story about when I worked first with the, with the Milwaukee Bucks, I worked on ankles. So I’m kinda like the ankle whisper from that experience, but I was still a very good basketball player.

Played at Jackson. It was all league, blah, blah, blah. Went on, played at Baldwin Wallace college and played out. I ended up playing out in Whittier college. I ended up there my highest scoring game, I think in college, like 26 games in Hawaii. I was at, I was kind of that guy where you’re like, where do I play this guy?

It’s just, you just should have played this guy. Also a side note in high school. I did not wear glasses but needed them. So my senior year was the last year before there was the three point shot. So I got contacts and I became a flame thrower shooter, man. But I was, I was noted as a rebounder, just a tough player that I could pass all that stuff.

[00:05:56] Mike Klinzing: Let me ask you a question. Why didn’t you wear glasses before you got contacts? What was the aversion to wearing glasses while you played?

[00:06:02] Dr. Bob Greczanik: So I thought I can still see, well, I didn’t know any better.

[00:06:05] Mike Klinzing: My son is going to be a junior this year and he needs glasses. Can’t see things far away and get him, get him.

We right. And we started, we’re like, man, I wonder how much better maybe he’d be if he could actually see. And so actually it’s funny that you say this because yesterday he went and got contact lense. This now he hasn’t played in him yet. Tomorrow probably be the first day that he plays in him.

But we’re both curious to see whether it makes any difference. So interesting that that story popped here. And now, cause like I said was, it was literally yesterday.

[00:06:41] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Oh, no, it, it helped out dramatically. But let me go back for a second. So my senior year we see stark county a little bit different say summit county COGA county, a little bit different.

So we had some pretty good hoop teams back in my day, like north Canton, Hoover had some good teams that went down to state. So we had a new coach. My junior year, we were 16 and six, three losses were to the same team. They beat us by seven, beat us by four, beat us by two, my coach, shout to him. Larry Taylor goes, I want to get those son of the bitches.

I thought to myself later on, when I grew up I’m liket, if we didn’t have to play, we couldn’t have played him later. He goes, I just wanted to beat him. I was a little bit too fired up as a coach, but also my senior year, probably our claimant fame was we beat Barberton. They were 19 and oh, that came to our place.

And I remember my mom goes, Hey, you can sleep in Olympic day. You got a big game. And I drove to school and it’s like, I looked at the sun and I kind of went, this is going to be an interesting date. It was like a blissful thing happening. I just kind of went. Wow. So that always sticks to my. Mind is something that occurred in my life.

I always go back to that timeframe about, wow, something’s going to happen like that. It was just this beautiful experience. And we ended up beating them by, I think six points think they had one of the Robertson brothers on the team probably had Kenny probably

[00:07:52] Mike Klinzing: had Kenny. Right. Kenny Robertson. Yeah. Was, ended up, ended up at

[00:07:54] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Cleveland state.

You got it. So after getting their coach comes out, we used son, bitch, but I’m like, listen, we just played a game. We wanted to beat you. We’re not going to come in and just beat us. I mean, come on. So it was, it was a very interesting experience, but hardcore playing things like that, it was a lot of fun back in the day.

[00:08:11] Mike Klinzing: What did you think you wanted to do when you went to college? What was your idea of where you thought you’d end up? Career-wise

[00:08:17] Dr. Bob Greczanik: So that’s an interesting one. Cuz  everybody that goes, everybody that plays basketball thinks they can play in the NBA. Right? Absolutely. Or I want to play overseas. Right.

So I always thought I could play in Europe. I can play over in Australia, blah, blah, blah. But my grandfather was a wise man. He goes, listen. He used to call me Bobby. He goes, Bobby. He goes, you can do that stuff. And he goes, why didn’t you get a really good education? And you can do that stuff after your education.

I’m thinking like, what does that mean? Give up some time. So it made me think. So I went out west and I originally was a psychology major. Then I became a biochemistry major. Then I wanted get into a bio psychology. It’s always crazy things. But as a uncle told me, he goes, you could have been a 4.0 student, but you’re always studying stuff that was never in school.

and I said, yeah, but that’s where all the fun stuff is, right?

[00:08:58] Mike Klinzing: Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, absolutely.

[00:09:01] Dr. Bob Greczanik: So I had a great, I ended up going to a little school in California called Whittier college and you could start your own major. So I met this at a mentor. His name was Dr. Morris. He goes, Robert, he goes, I don’t think you should go to medical.

Cause I was all, I was going to go to medical school. He goes, I don’t think you should go because you’re all about helping people and not in a bad way. He goes medical. School’s all about death. He goes that isn’t suited for you. So I kind of went Dr. Morris, what? So he goes, why don’t you and I sit down and do an independent study for whole semester and just talk about a people have healed throughout time.

So we would do this. It was on a Friday and the whole biology staff would come in and we would just talk about things. It was the best time I ever had in college as undergrad. I mean, we’d sit there. We talked for hours, but what we came across was, Hey, native American people in China and India have been healing people forever without science.

So I kind of want interested. So he goes, Hey, I don’t, you go talk to all my doctor buddies. And this guy used to write for the MCAT smartest man ever met note was from Ohio state where he got his PhD. So not that connection there. And he goes, go talk to these people. And they’re all like kid don’t do it.

It’s not, you think it is. It’s all about managed care. It’s not about helping people. You get people after the facts, I kind of went what? But this one guy goes, Hey, go see this old doctor acupuncture. You might like this guy. So I go see this guy. When I first meet him, he goes, Hey, an ancient China. The doctor would pay you if you got sick, but you had to listen to him.

He goes, you heard what I said? And I kind of went, what. So my Dr. Morris guy goes, Hey, take a little summer for this guy. And since that time, honestly, I’ve never worked a day of my life. My job is like a hobby.

[00:10:35] Mike Klinzing: That’s really cool. I think when you get an opportunity to do something where that’s the way you feel, it makes it completely, like you said, you’re in that state where, Hey, I’m doing what I do and I don’t have to worry about making it feel like work.

And I think that’s something that, right. A lot of people aspire to, a lot of people wish that they could get to that point where they’re not working. They’re just doing what it is that they love to do. And it sounds like you had some good mentors that pointed you in the right direction. How, what do you think they saw in you that made them realize that sort of this path might end up being a good path for you?

What was it about maybe your personality or just who you were at that time that made them recognize that in you?

[00:11:13] Dr. Bob Greczanik:  I was very curious, but also very caring, but also know what you just said about,  getting into your process of what you love to do. You tell me how it’s any different when you play basketball and you’re having a great game.

There’s no difference. Yes. It’s not. There’s no difference. Yep. But people don’t understand that. Cause there’s always this struggle or reaction I’m like that doesn’t have to be there. When you cut through this struggle, you have a release and you get into flow. That’s what life’s about. So that’s what I’ve been getting into.

And again, I was very blessed with, when I moved to Seattle, went to school in acupuncture school. I was playing hoop in this league and I was on fire man. And I maybe wasn’t the highest jumper, but I could quick, I could jump twice as fast before a guy could jump once. And this guy’s like, man, he goes, where are you from?

And I was joking around. I said, I’m from earth, man. and he goes, OK, earthling. This guy was a coach named Harold Wright who coached at a place called Rainer beach, which is a very predominant school out in Seattle. And he goes, Hey, what do you do, man? He goes, you acupuncture. What is that, man? I told him, he goes, we got, we got some kids that are banged up, man.

Why don’t you come down to Rainer beach and help us out? And I’m like, Okay. And just as a side note, I had a mentor, an acupuncture school that used to run a, used to call it a black and blue clinic for football players at the local high school on Saturdays. So back when I was an acupuncture school, I, I took all the energy points.

There’s 360 of ’em. I put ’em all into a sports framework, probably the first guy I’d ever did that. Probably the last guy too. So I could literally, if a guy had an issue, I could help that out with an injury, but I could make you run faster, jump higher, do all kinds of stuff. And my mentors were like, come on.

So I did it on this kid. One time, true story. He scored six touchdowns. He goes, he goes, what are you doing? So I go about down to this gym where Harold Wright is and he goes, Hey, this is Dr. Bob. He’d currently be the third best player on our high school team. I think to myself, what are you talking about?

Third best player on your high school team. And it was funny. I was ranked right as I walked into the place. He goes, well, Timmy Ellis, he’s going to go to Kansas state. He’s better than you. And he got this guy named Jamal Crawford, who. This guy’s going to be a pro man. I’m like, I’m like, who’s Jamal Crawford. So I see him playing.

I go, this guy’s pretty good. So me and Jamal have been friends since 1999.

[00:13:26] Mike Klinzing: That’s very cool. Very cool. To be able to get those opportunities to interact with guys, especially when you’re getting ’em before, right before they, before they go big time and you get an opportunity to build, build that relationship.

And obviously with the success that you were able to have, and, and to be able to demonstrate the value of what it was that you were doing, what was the first, what was your first job that you got a paycheck for? Was it, did you start your own practice? Were you working underneath somebody? How how’d you get to how’d you get your first paycheck?

[00:13:54] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Good question. So my mentor at the acupuncture college helped me work with him and he goes, goes, listen. After six months, he goes, Hey man, you have a gift. Go start your own place, have a good time. But he linked me up to, we had a clinic right next to a gym. And I’m going. So I would really work on people and hoop.

So my practice in one year balloon, because of all the hoop connections. So it was pretty interesting, man.

[00:14:20] Mike Klinzing: So when people came to you at that point, were they coming more for injury rehab or for performance enhancement at that point.

[00:14:28] Dr. Bob Greczanik: At that time was injury rehab, but see, so people did, so I have to educate people about, oh, well,  you’re coming in like this and kind of imagine you’re kind like your normal, your normal, like a line you come in to see me, you’re below the normal.

I can get you above your normal, but people would know they’d be like, I came in to see, see you. And I kind of golfed the best game I ever golfed. Like, you know what just happened to me. So I realized from my work in undergraduate school, then when I got my doctorate acupuncture that studying all the acupuncture points, I’m a very good pattern.

Discriminated. I can just sense things in people where I can do certain points. You’ll jump two inches higher in a game. So people would come in and be like, no, I can’t believe what good I feel. So that just kind of bloomed. And then I started working with more teams and then when I worked with more teams, I would see more patterns.

And then I think, I believe, I don’t know the exact number. I’m not a numbers guy, man. I just like, like having fun. I think I worked with 11 or 12 state championship basketball team in the state of Washington, probably three or four second places. And unfortunately some fifth place finishes, but I can really assist kids or people to play better because what do we know about the game?

Right. You just think it’s all physical? No, what’s that mental game going on. And most people dunno how to do that mental game. They don’t talk about it. So I’m always curious about an example for you. So when you pledged your best game, what was going on, gimme a little story when you were playing your best, what was going on?

[00:15:50] Mike Klinzing: I think the best when you, when you think about the best games that you’ve ever had, you don’t think about really anything in all honesty, you’re just kind of playing and it just feels natural. And I think for me, When I go back and look at my playing career. And I think about when I played well, whether it was an organized basketball or whether it was in pickup basketball, it’s always like, Hey, my shot’s going in it,  you get that feeling of, Hey, it, the shot feels good.

It feels like I don’t have to think about it. I know I’m putting it up there and I know it’s going to go in. And then on times when you’re struggling, that’s when you start to break down and think about your mechanics, oh, I have to get more elbow lift or I have to follow through, or I have to keep my guide hand off the shot or whatever it might be.

So I think the answer to your question is when you’re playing well, you’re not focused on what you’re doing. If that makes any sense, you’re just going kind of going out there and letting what you’ve always done and what  how to do just flow naturally through your body, as opposed to when you’re not playing well, it feels like you’re struggling and you’re having to think through everything that you’re doing to try to figure out and fix what’s wrong.

Versus when you’re having a great game. Everything just seems to be going. But it’s not because you’ve analyzed it and figured out, okay, here’s what I have to do. It’s just, it’s just what happens if that makes sense.

[00:17:07] Dr. Bob Greczanik:Oh, without a doubt. You’re free. So my question for you would be like, how many good games did you have versus bad games?

What percent?

[00:17:15] Mike Klinzing: Ooh, that’s a good question. I mean, I think if you look at it over the totality of about like a high school and college career, I mean, I’d like to think that depending on how you define good, I’d like to think that probably I had 80% of my games I would consider to be probably good games and good being could, could be a bunch of things.

It may not be that I shot perfectly or whatever, but there was different things that I contributed. And then it’s funny, cuz I probably remember. Maybe not the bad games, but the really bad games.

[00:17:46] Dr. Bob Greczanik: yeah, no, for sure. Because those,

[00:17:48] Mike Klinzing: yeah. It’s like what happened? Yeah. The really bad games, the really bad games you remember.

And I remember like the aftermath of having played the game and then sort of my reaction after the game and where I went, what I did and how I salt or how I tried to figure out what I was going to do, what I was going to do next. And those are the ones that, I mean clearly the best games. I, I, I remember those very, very clearly.

I had a game in college where I made nine threes against air force at home at Kent and oh, wow. And that that’s a game where like everything, everything I put up, I think I was nine of 13, but it just felt like everything I put up was going to go in. And

[00:18:24] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Did you make your first one?

[00:18:27] Mike Klinzing: I couldn’t tell you. I couldn’t, I couldn’t tell, I couldn’t tell you, but

[00:18:30] Dr. Bob Greczanik: I’m just curious.

Sometimes people get that first flow and it’s like, you’re shooting like a feather. You’re like,

[00:18:34] Mike Klinzing: whoa, what is going anywhere? Yeah. Yeah. You, there’s definitely no doubt that you have days. You have days where I remember that even more vividly, less than organized basketball and more in like playground basketball where,  you could just show up to the park and it just feels like the ball’s going in.

And then that feeling sticks with you all day. And then there could be other days where you show up and you’re like, man, something just feels wrong. It just, it just feels off. And even when you make one, it doesn’t, it doesn’t feel good. And conversely, when you’re going well, even when you miss those misses still feel good and yes,  that’s just a, again, I don’t know what that is.

That’s clearly, clearly there’s something mental going on in addition to the physical.

[00:19:13] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Well, I figured it out at some level, it’s actually brainwaves, but it’s a deep conversation, but there’s something called a flow cycle. So there’s a guy named Melan. He just passed away. So blessing him. He has a name like Lansky in 1990.

He starts studying him and he goes, there’s a thing called flow where people just do stuff and I just love to do it. And I’m going, that’s most hoopers that love the game. You just do love to do it. It’s called an autotelic personality. You just do it because you love to do it. So that’s who I am. I didn’t know I was that, but in this flow cycle, you have a thing called struggle.

It’s like, okay, I’m going to struggle. Want to struggle, but then can you get through a release? And then can you get into a flow? And then can you regenerate? So I’m very good at when I do acupuncture things I do with people. I can get him out of struggle soon as possible. And they’re like, whoa, what just happened?

It somehow frees your brain with these brain waves. And there’s another concept of this thing called this endo-cannabinoid system. I think you said your dad was a former physiologist, so, yep. Yep. It’s endocannabinoid system. It’s a very interesting system. It’s been, it’s been around for 600 million years.

In all invertebrates, it was only discovered in 1995. So I started talking to people. They were like, come on, what is this thing? So I’ll give an example. Now we all know the runners high, right? Yep.

[00:20:25] Mike Klinzing: I never experienced it.

[00:20:25] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Well, that’s good. It means you’re a sprinter then. So I’m not a runner either. I’m a power guy.

So note that, but this runners high people thought were caused by endorphins. Okay. It’s actually caused by these endo cannabinoid system. People are going like, what? So it’s always interesting. What you think about is going on in science. It always changes. So once you get that flow going, you’re in that zone, man, but also go back to some of those games you had, how you had to struggle and work harder, but yet you still felt good.

Like it’s good to grind, man.

[00:20:56] Mike Klinzing: Yeah, absolutely. I think when you look at, I guess I equate some of my best games with tremendous effort, but effort that was not. I’m not sure the right way to say it again. I think I keep coming back to that. No, with you though. I keep coming back to, I keep coming back to the word flow, right?

It’s like I’m working, I’m working hard. I’m busting my tail. And that’s part of what it means. At least in my mind, what it means to play well is I’m given, I’m given great, great effort. And I think one of the things that’s interesting cuz as a player in high school, I think most people would probably say, well, Mike’s a better offensive player than he is defensive player.

Yeah. And then when I got to college, I looked around and I said, well, we got a lot of guys on this team that can score, but man, maybe if I’m the best and the toughest defensive player. That’ll allow me to get on the floor sooner. And so I kind of figured that out and sort of reinvented myself. And so I equate that with not any type of physical talent, cuz unlike you in your 36 inch vertical, my vertical was like 18 inches.

So I wasn’t out quick in anybody or out jumping anybody in order to be able to do the things that I did on the floor. I had to, I had to work and grind and understand and just put, put some toughness to it. And so I equate that effort with the best games that I’ve had.

[00:22:18] Dr. Bob Greczanik: But note though I got injured. So just note that there you go get injured, just being honest.

That’s true. But also note that effort was always energy. So I always talk to people any level. How do you put in the effort, whatever that means to you to know that you’re connected to the game. I want to be connected. Right. I lose myself, but I’m still in it. I, there’s also a thing called false fake hustle where people just run around crazily and it’s like, that’s really not anything that’s doing anything you’re just running around and you looking like you’re doing something, so, yep.

Is it controlled? Are you connected? And you were very wise to understand that. Cause you get to college. You’re kind of like, man, a lot of dudes can score. Not many want to play D yeah.

[00:22:58] Mike Klinzing: Yeah. Still see that a lot, man. That’s advice. Yeah. I mean, it’s advice you try to give to many time I’m talking to players.

That’s one of the things that I think players, they don’t always understand is. You have to figure out what your coach wants and you have to figure out and understand that there’s more to, everybody wants to score. Right? Everybody thinks that, Hey, what are coaches looking for? They’re looking for the kid.

Who’s scoring the most points. And, and this in today’s day and age, they’re looking for the guy that’s going to bang home the most threes. And yet I talked to so many different college coaches at every level. And all of ’em talk about the need for guys who share the ball, who are great teammates, guys who have a high basketball IQ.

And those are things that I think kids sometimes forget in their quest for the way the world is today. Everybody’s on, everybody’s on a mission to try to get a scholarship, instead of enjoying the moment. They’re just so focused on what’s next and trying to get a scholarship. And they have this idea that what coaches are looking for is the high score in every game.

When in fact you talk to so many coaches and they’re like, yeah, look scoring. I mean, we need guys on our team who could score, but there’s so many other things that you can do on a game of basketball that impact winning. And so many kids forget that. And I think that’s something that we’ve tried to do on the podcast.

We’re talking to people and draw that out from coaches said, Hey, when we’re recruiting, we’re looking for not just guys who can take 25 shots, a game. We’re looking for guys who can really impact winning in lots of different ways.

[00:24:28] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Oh, big time. So that gets into like, I mean, there’s nothing better than a good pass throw by somebody’s head and the guy can’t catch it.

And the guy catches it for a layup. I mean, yeah. Those are things that people have lost that it’s like a good pass is something, but it’s like kids can’t pass these days. They’re not playing like three on three, like you and I used to back in the day.

[00:24:50] Mike Klinzing: Well, they’re just working on skills. They’re like you said earlier, they’re with a trainer.

And so they’re working on skills in isolation so often. And I think one of the things that if you look at you go back to when you and I were playing and you look at guy 10 or 11 or 12 on your high school team. Yes. And those guys, a lot of cases were maybe you had like the 6, 2, 225 pound football kid who just went in and set screens and bulldoze people and got a couple rebounds.

And yes, those kids were not nearly as skilled as player 10, 11 or 12 R today on the back end of a high school roster. Like everybody, you go to a gym. Yeah. And you just watch kids dribble and shoot the ball and their, their skill level is amazing. And yet I still think that in some ways the basketball IQ is maybe not quite as high in some places because.

Kids. Don’t like you and I learned from playing against older guys, right? I mean, you grew up when you’re,  you’re playing against, you’re 15, you’re playing against high school, varsity players, or you’re playing against college guys, or you’re playing against adults. And those guys are showing you like, Hey, here’s what you have to do.

If you want to win. Cause you have to stay on the court and playground pick up game. You got, whereas like my son or my daughters, who’ve grown up, they’re always playing against kids their own age. Like my son started playing travel basketball in third grade, playing against other third graders and he’s playing against other fourth graders and he’s playing against other fifth graders.

And so you never really get that opportunity to play with older guys to kind of show you, Hey, you have to play a role on this team or you have to figure this out. It’s just, it’s interesting. The way that the game has evolved and there’s positives to the way it’s evolved. And I also think there’s some, some downside to it and I’m glad I grew up in the era that I did is what I always say.

[00:26:24] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Oh, love that. So think of this way, how many defensive specialists are out there that you send your kids to? Hey, we’re your defensive camp today? Nobody or, or

[00:26:33] Mike Klinzing: moving without the ball, right?

[00:26:34] Dr. Bob Greczanik: How many people? Well, yes, but, but think about. These are businesses you could open up. Hey, we’re going to have a defensive thing.

So not jumping at what you just said though, was a big red flag for me moving without the ball. So I’ve done a lot of work with a lot of NBA teams, a lot of players, but I’ve worked with a few interesting players. I’m just going to say this guy’s name will go back in time a little bit, but JJ Reddick, he worked with the Clippers.

I’ve worked with him a little bit or talking. I said, JJ, if you could recommend to kids these days, what would be one thing you could recommend? He goes, oh, it’s very simple. Think every play that you’re running is for you and run that same speed that you think it’s for you. And I kind of went right there, man.

So everybody’s moving around, just not sitting around. You’re actually running a play. And what do we know with today’s game isolation? 1 0 1 people just watch that bugs me because a lot of people watch the game. They’re not in the game participating.

[00:27:25] Mike Klinzing: Well, think about how the warriors play, right, and how Steph Curry plays and how unique his style of play is when theoretically.

Every player should be trying to emulate his style play. I mean, think about trying to guard him. And that was one of the things that I think when I look back on my career, we talked about my inability to jump or my inability to be quick. But I was a kid who, even though I like, if you told me to go out and jog a mile, I’d be like, that is so boring.

I don’t want to do that. But if you put me on a basketball court and say, Hey, run at whatever your top speed is for 40 minutes, even though my top speed might be lower than yours, I’m still going to be running my top speed in minute 37 compared to somebody else. And I’m, and I’m going to keep, and I’m going to keep moving.

That was always, that was always an advantage that I had. And I think when you, when you have less physical tools and gifts, you’d have to figure out and find, okay, what can I do to maximize what I do have? And that was something that I was always able to do really, really well. And I think it’s a skill again, it’s not a skill that,

[00:28:26] Dr. Bob Greczanik: I mean, it’s something that’s controllable.

But note though, that you were able to be aware of that, right. And tapped into it. So note your IQ of awareness is extremely high. A lot of people know that IQ, they just want to shoot the ball, do that. And you watch kids play, watch kids play. And you’re like, like what’s this kid doing? Yeah, absolutely not good or bad.

But also think about back in our day, I’m going to say this is kind of a weird comment, but I think we had better coaches because we had more team time than say these individual trainers, blah, blah, blah, where you had different sets, you ran, you did different things that it made you think about things. So I really got into a few years ago, I did some work with some little off topic, but some NFL team.

And I’m like, they shouldn’t be in the fricking super bowl. And it made me mad because if I went back in time at the coach messed up, not the players, it made me realize that coaches need help. So I started went back and got a master’s degree in health, human performance with an emphasis on coaching coaches to coach better.

And so I go through this whole little deal with coaches about when do you coach your best? And they always go, Ooh, interesting question. So you ask certain things like situations, like I can tell good coach by the out of bounds  plays. That’s one of my things I look at good out balance, play coaches got something going on.

Cause a coach actually changed things up. You can’t just, I use an analogy like you’re watching tennis. You just can’t go back and forth. You have to micromanage the game, but not too much. Some people control too much. I’m a little bit more like, Hey, let the players play. Cause they can figure it out.

[00:29:54] Mike Klinzing: It’s a fine line.

Right? That’s the art of coaching.

[00:29:57] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Oh, without, without a doubt

[00:29:58] Mike Klinzing: is trying to figure out is trying to figure out how much, how much control do I have slash need versus how much can I cede to the players? And then clearly if you’re going to cede more control to the players in the game, then you have to have put the time in, in practice to be able to help them to understand and make good decisions.

There’s clearly been. A trend in the game of basketball in terms of coaching, going back, probably in the last, I would say probably five to 10 years. There’s been a huge transition from using the idea of block practice and just doing repetitive. I’m doing this same thing, 15, 20, 25 times in row, sort of in isolation versus I’m playing and teaching the game out of three, on three in situations.

And we’re playing five on five and maybe we’re playing a game to five with threes and twos, or maybe we’re playing only on one side of the floor. And every single play has to start with a downstream. And so you’re trying to teach the game and make it look more like the game. But that’s a more, I don’t want to say it’s not necessarily a more difficult way to coach, but it requires you to be able to exceed some control to your players as opposed to having four lines and having kids making a move around a cone and then going to score, which looks neat, but it doesn’t always translate to learning.

[00:31:14] Dr. Bob Greczanik: No. So I got caught. I, I can see coaches that sometimes you think they’re a good coach. They’re just good trainers, not good coaches, not good or bad. So it goes back to that deal.  it’s like, you can take a horse to water. You can’t make a drink of water. I teach a man to fish. You can catch his own fish, but I’d ask you if you were a very good team leader.

Cause it sounds like you kind of led the team or had some of that mojo going on, that you would call people out. So you also, when you talk watching maybe high level basketball, maybe kind of like good high school, basketball, how vocal are people on D are they communicating to each other?  what’s going on to me, that’s like an orchestra conductor.

Once you get that going, man, it takes over for himself. So if you’re a good coach and to teach your pupils, well, they’re going to figure it out themselves a lot.

[00:31:58] Mike Klinzing: That’s a great point. I think it’s something that it’s hard to get kids to talk. You think about the way. You. And I grew up versus the way they grew up, where so much of my kids, I have a daughter who’s going to graduate this year from high school, and then my son’s going to be a junior.

And then I have a seventh grade daughter and them and their peers. So much of the conversations that they have are not necessarily, even them speaking to one another, it’s just them typing on a phone. And so you think about that verbal and that communication piece that you’re talking about to be able to communicate on the court on the field is something that I’m not sure it doesn’t come naturally to most kids, even back when we were playing.

I think it was still something that coaches of you to ask any coach. They want their kids to communicate more. So I think it’s always been an issue, but I think it’s even more of an issue now where coaches have to be super intentional about trying to teach what that looks like and model it for kids so that they know.

And then eventually they get to the point where, as you said, they take over that and now the coaches. Given them that control to be able to conduct their own orchestras, both as opposed to the coach standing on the sideline, trying to do it.

[00:33:09] Dr. Bob Greczanik: That’s awesome. So I also ask the question. When I talk to people, would you rather score 30 points or six points and get the w or score 30 and lose?

A lot of kids would take the 30 and lose. And I’m like, what the, like what happened to people? Like you always play to win. You don’t play to score, whatever. So that, that bugs me at some level. Man. What are your thoughts on that?

[00:33:29] Mike Klinzing: I agree. You clearly would rather win. I think that there’s, I’d be lying.

If I said there wasn’t a part of me that if I only scored six, I’d probably want to, I’d probably would say I’d like to have a bigger hand in having an impact on winning. And I’d probably like to score more in a win, but if you gimme the choice of it’s a binary choice of I can score 30 and lose, or I can score six and win, then I don’t think there’s any doubt that you’d rather score six and win.

[00:33:55] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Yes. So I just like people that have that, like.  an intangible X factor of like, they have that little, it, that just, they just want to win. So you’ll kind of see that when you get some good high school football players, a more contact get there, they kind of do that a little bit more verbal. It kind of varies a lot.

[00:34:12] Mike Klinzing: So what about hate to lose versus love to win? Do you have a thought on that?

[00:34:17] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Oh yeah. When you play, you play and you let it go, man, you don’t carry it with you. You have to play to win. And if you hate to lose, just let it go because that will eat you up. And I tell people that consumes too much energy.

So you always want to be free. Put your time, like say you and I are talking, if you and I met at the court, you’d be like, Hey, Dr. Bob is turning a J and H what happened to this guy when I’m on the court? I’m a different human being, but as soon as I’m done, I’ll let it go. Does that make sense?

[00:34:43] Mike Klinzing: It makes total sense.

I feel like that’s how I wasn’t necessarily like that as a young kid and. I would definitely take losses a lot harder. It was one thing that when I first started coaching, that was one of the things that probably bothered me more than anything is team would lose and get on the bus and I’d be all disgruntled and that’s on the bus

[00:35:03] Dr. Bob Greczanik: coaches get gray hairs, right?

[00:35:06] Mike Klinzing: You’d pull your hair out. So I don’t have any hair left, but  you’re sitting there on a bus and kids that just lost a game, be joking. And I just, I could not, I could not relate to that as a 23, 24, 25 year old, early on in my coaching career. And then as I grew older, you come to realize that that game’s already gone and yeah, you can go back and look at it and figure it out and try to see, Hey, what did we do?

What could we do differently the next time? But I don’t need to sulk and pout to show how much that loss. Hurt me or meant to me or whatever. And again, everybody handles it in a different way. And I don’t think I understood that as, as a young coach. Whereas now, now at this point in my life, I’ve got a much bigger, much better understanding of, I have to control the things I can control.

[00:35:55] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Yes. But also note as a coach, you really cared. It’s why you felt that way, but also note, but also note as you were in that coaching, what did we learn? Even though we lost? Could we still gain something? So you always want ask the question. I always ask, like I a young guts, a pretty good Hooper. What’d you do today?

That was good. What could you do better? Just to have a conversation, to keep them in the loop about the game with an emphasis on, Hey, how is your hustles? Zero to 10. Okay. At 8.5. Why not? A little bit higher? Well, I didn’t have to,  blah, blah, blah, whatever. How’d you pass the ball so you can always break the game down in components.

Once you start getting the components, people can go, oh, there’s more to the game. Like we talked about before than just shooting, just scoring, like you said, how do I move without the ball? It kind of also bugs me. Why people don’t try to just get easy shots. Like, why do I need to have like these crazy three corners?

I mean, why can’t, Hey, put me in the low block, I’m going to go attack their guard or something. Yeah. Few thoughts on that one. Cause that one that one’s kind of like, why do we have to make the game so hard or just kind of so vanilla.

[00:36:51] Mike Klinzing: That’s still a thing that makes me feel like I’m old school because I’ve talked to a lot of different coaches on the podcast and I’ve heard differing opinions, but I’ve just heard so many coaches say like one of the things that forever, I don’t think I’ll ever be able to wrap my head around.

It is it’s like a three on one break and it’s pretty much an guaranteed uncontested layup. And instead those two guys that are running the lanes just flare out for threes. And like, I know the three goes in. Sometimes I know kids can shoot it and yeah, sure. It’s a, it’s an open three, but to me. I still feel like why wouldn’t we just get the sure.

Two, as opposed to guys flaring out for three, I’ll never, I’ll never, I don’t think be able to fully comprehend or accept that as a coach or as a fan or just watching the game. It just doesn’t, it still doesn’t make sense to me, but by the same token, you just see how the game has changed and evolved. And I say all the time, like I could count on one hand Bob, the number of times that I was involved in a screening role as an offensive player or a defensive player during my four years of playing division one college basketball.

Yeah. And I can also tell you that I probably never drove to the basket, got underneath the basket and then turned around and fired the ball back out by the top of the key to someone standing above the three point line like that play that pass. Didn’t exist. Maybe, maybe you kicked it to the corner just because somebody cut you off and you had no other option, but there was no way you’re going up the way guys do today, where they’re right at the rim about to shoot a layup.

And all of a sudden they just turn and kick it out to the three point line. It’s just, the game is just completely, it’s completely different from the game that you or I played back in the day. Anyway.

[00:38:46] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Well, you and I, back in the day we had pick and roll. Now it’s now it’s pick,  flare it’s like people don’t even roll.

But my take on that is this though. I look at it from a different point of view. I’m always concerned about energy. So we have that three on one break. If I get a layup, I can come back and D quicker, I can set up, I’m shooting a three in and out like the game kind of like lost its nuances. I think it’s, it’s easy to shoot three.

And I think that goes back to the, or a lot of people I talk, it goes back to in the eighties, American coaches went over Europe and look at those guys, look at some, who’s been our. MVP in the last two years. Where’s that guy from the NBA? Yeah. He’s Serbia, right? Yeah. Well, look at his footwork. Does he even jump high?

Nope. He has a very good feel for the game. Look at Luca where’s he from some of these guys just have different movements that we’ve become like I call it like spotlight dance. Oh, look at that guy off the ball. Dribble, dribble, dribble dribble. So I’ll watch players like dribble, dribble, dribble.

I love when you play, kick the ball out, start your offense, put people on their heels. Like what was you shooting three. Think about that back in our day. Dribble, dribble, dribble. Dribble did not exist, man. Simple pass.

[00:39:52] Mike Klinzing: I always said as a player and talking to players as a coach, just make the simple pass, like the fancy passes look great.

And if you’re a Magic Johnson super make all, make all, make all, make all those kinds of passes you want. But for most guys, if players would just learn to make the next simple pass to the guy, who’s open. Their teams would their teams, would’ve so much more success. And so would they as individual players and they’d be so much more fun to play with because so often guys just don’t make the next play.

And it’s so fun to watch when you see a team, yes. That actually does play together and is unselfish how successful they can be. And it’s funny, my son is playing with the, an AAU team this spring that honestly has 10 kids who all get some of the things that we’ve just been talking about in terms of playing unselfishly.

And it’s a good team. It’s a talented team, but they play together as well as any group that I’ve ever seen. And it’s 10 kids who all could probably score more than what they do, but because they’re willing to give it up, they know the ball is coming back to ’em and so it just becomes contagious as you know.

[00:40:57] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Yeah. So what you’re talking about, so in the NBA, people talk about like, the ball has energy, like past the ball. It is harder to defend when the ball is moving around. Like if I’m just dribble, dribble, dribble, it’s hard to. Guard. So if she start dribbling people in gie, start moving the ball and then working with Jamal craw a lot.

So no, Jamal. So this is a funny story. So I first met Jamal at rain beach. Then he, I somehow got involved with George Carl because he had a kid that was going to be in a friend’s hoop tournament. This was like probably 1999 or something. He heard his ankle was going to be out for a month. So I treat the kid three times.

He’s able to play his MVP, the tournament, George Karl’s like, Hey, what, what did you just do here? Cause all my team doctors,  four to six weeks, you just did this in three treatments. Like what’s going on here. So talking to Jamal about why you always pass the ball at Jamal, he goes, well, I always get it back and I can score.

So back in the day, George Karl would always say this. If Jamal Crawford learned how to play defense with his arms, he’d be an all star first team defender. It always made me laugh. Cause Jamal was not a defender, but if you ever watch him play. Nitty gritty. He would play some serious D with his length.

I think he’s like six, six with like a seven, two wingspan, which is another weird thing. Back in the day, we weren’t like, Hey, how tall are you?  you’re six, four with a six, nine wingspans. Like whoever thought of that stuff. But yeah, it just goes to show how, when you kick the ball, you get it back, but you start some momentum and the ball has energy.

It kind of gets stuck.

[00:42:25] Mike Klinzing: It’s so true. And if you’ve played on any team, it doesn’t matter if you’ve played organized basketball at whatever level, or you just played pickup. When you find the right five guys in the moment that all want to share the ball, that just makes everything come together. And that’s what makes basketball, such a beautiful sport is the fact that you can find five guys that just maybe have never even played together, that they all believe in moving the ball.

It’s funny. I’ll say to people all the time, I can go out on a court with somebody and within 30 seconds. I can quickly identify the guys that I never want be on their team again, because you got it, man. They get the ball and they dribble between their legs. 17 times they try to find a shot and then if they can’t find it, then maybe begrudgingly, they throw it past the next guy.

And you’re like, man, I never, I never want this dude on my team ever again.

[00:43:13] Dr. Bob Greczanik: It’s a tertiary move. You got two other movies before that. But that also gets into the, the premise of like, when you’re playing, like, I’ll give an example. So think of this concept of flow, right? So I did a lot of research on this and you can actually look this up with the listeners.

Ken, a guy at Indiana university said by far the best flow concept we’ve ever seen is pickup basketball, seen as pick up basketball because you get five guys that don’t really know each other. Just want to play together. They want to make like a, a beehive. So everyone’s working together and I kind of went, man.

How cool is that? People don’t even know that like basketball should create flow, not an UN flow.

[00:43:52] Mike Klinzing: It’s true. And I think if anybody’s experienced it. You know what that feels like. And I don’t know that you can necessarily put words on it, but it’s sort of like, you just know when you found a group that plays together well, and that can go as simple as, Hey, here’s five guys.

I found in the pickup game versus there’s been teams that I’ve played on that had great flow and worked together beautifully. And then you have other teams where it just feels like everything you do is a struggle. And sometimes you can’t always put your finger on the what, why or the who behind it.

[00:44:28] Dr. Bob Greczanik: But you know what it feels like, yes, it’s almost like that.

It’s like, you’re kind of like, Hey, the wind just blow. I’m not sure, but I think I felt it you’re like, whoa, there it’s. I would say that the guys that have a better flow potential or something for your son’s team is do some breathing techniques before you play and watch how more connected you are.

Because when people breathe, they cannot be adrenalized and their brain calms down and it connects people. I’ve taught this coaches. 20 years. And the coaches that did, they’re like, Hey, how’d your time out go. What’d you do? He goes, oh, we just breathe. We just, we just need a breathing timeout. Everything’s reset.

Going at it. Pretty interesting. You know?

[00:45:05] Mike Klinzing: So tell me what that looks like. If I’m going to do that in, let’s say in a pregame setting with a team,

[00:45:11] Dr. Bob Greczanik: tell me what that looks like. You can just hold. So you close your mouth, hold your right nostril closed, just breathe your left nostril. It creates a pump. And in your nose, there’s little silly eye that will create a parasympathetic state that causes your body to relax.

But as you breathe, your whole body goes to that flow cycle. It’s like a flush and it relaxes you. So you can, you can try it right now. If you want hold your right nostril closed, close your mouth, just breathe. The left nostril. I guarantee you two or three breaths. You’re like, man, I’m more relaxed, which just happened.

Feel that.

[00:45:49] Mike Klinzing: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:45:50] Dr. Bob Greczanik: But you do that together. To me, it goes back to like an orchestra. It’s like, whoa, we’re all connected to game. I don’t want disconnected people. I want, I want to be like a wheel that rotates on a block wheel. So when people breathe, they play better. And add to that real quick.

After you’re done playing, have kids players sit down for three minutes, do that breathing. But with their eyes closed, it’ll reset a parasympathetic state. So their body starts to recover regenerate right off they play. Cause I got sick and tired of it. I got treated a lot of people that have like bad injuries.

I’m like, why are people injured? So one of my phrases is always like ounce of prevention’s worth of pound cure. So if you start that process for three minutes after you play with your eyes closed, note, your eyes deal with 80% of your nervousness. Once you close your eyes, your body can relax. And it’s like, I call it inner training.

It’s like, whoa, which is, wow, why am I? And when you feel that that’s a great one. And also add to that. People can like before they play, tap their toes, tap their heels. Why? Cause proprioceptively, no one thinks about their feet. They take it for granted. It’ll warm you up. Another thing I came across is like, I’ll just say this.

I moved my daughter back to Ohio a year and a half ago because of the pandemic, blah, blah, blah. I did some work with the Cleveland. Cavers right. And I’m like, why do these guys leave league and injuries? And one thing I came across was one of, one of the worst, which they made better. One of the worst halftime routines I’ve ever seen.

So what I like for kids to do or anybody is jump rope at halftime a little bit. If you have time, it will cause your body to know it’s going to do something really quick because people go at have something, just sit down.

[00:47:25] Mike Klinzing: Makes a lot of sense. I think when I hear you talking about doing the breathing for three minutes after a game, and I think about the way that kids play AAU basketball today, right? Where you might play 2, 3, 4 games in a day and you’ve have to. Get some rest in between. You have to sort of regenerate. And as you’ve talked about reset your mental state.

And so if you could do that in three minutes, by doing that little activity that you just talked about, and that’s going to a prevent you from,  help you to prevent injuries, and it’s also going to reset and help you enhance your performance.

[00:48:00] Dr. Bob Greczanik: To me, that seems like a no brainer. Maybe we should add on it.

The parents should do it too. If there’s a, you know what I’m talking

[00:48:06] Mike Klinzing: about? I know exactly. I know. Believe me. I know, I know exactly what you’re talking about. We have, I’m fortunate cuz we have some really good parents on this team, but unfortunately I sit with a lot of I sit with a lot of parents. The last tournament we were at, we just had a, we had a assistant coach for another team.

This was a game we were just sitting and watching, but we had an assistant coach for the one team, get up and get in a, get in the face of a parent from the other team. And then the players all rushed in and the process of mom got knocked, knocked off the features and got hurt and just, I mean you are, you’re like, man, just, just, just get it together.

[00:48:41] Dr. Bob Greczanik: So yes, parents. Gets deep. That gets deep though into like, I call that tribal warfare where people get all adrenalized and they know how to get rid of it. It’s like when you’re watching people just get fired up, you see people like tap their toes and stuff. That’s wasted energy going nowhere. Yeah. Like people don’t.

So I’ve really got into this concept of like, like when we talked before every everything, every breath should be like a foul shot. Keep that breath going. If you keep your breath going, life will be great. People lose. They get all kinds of crazy. And I think that’s kind of sad how people get the fisticuffs about a game.

I mean, come on man.

[00:49:16] Mike Klinzing: I know it’s crazy. It really is. But you see such interesting behavior and you see such a variety of outlooks from players, parents, coaches, and it’s so interesting to just sit and sort of be an observer as somebody who’s been a player as somebody who’s been a coach. And now sitting there as a parent at some of these tournaments and you just.

I often wish I could just go and have an individual conversation with every single person and just say, Hey, first of all, just relax. Like you’re not the one playing, it’s your kid. So just relax from that standpoint. And then number two, I think people get so worked up because everybody’s always focused on what’s next.

And they think, oh, if I’m at this AAU tournament, this coach is here and that’s going to lead to this scholarship. And I I’m worried about this performance, not because of the performance itself, but because of what the performance itself means yes. To their next stage. And that goes back to what you talked about right.

In the flow state means that you’re not worried about what happened before. You’re not worried about what happens next. You’re right there in the moment. And you’re just doing what you do in the moment. And I find that there’s a lot of people. Just can’t do that. Both from a player coach, parent standpoint, that everybody’s worried about the perception and worried about what’s next, instead of just enjoying the moment that they’re in and as you and I both know those moments go way, way, way too fast.

I mean, you’re a high school career. If you’re a high school player, that’s over way too quick. And if you’re a parent you’re sitting there watching your kid in the stands, they’re going to be done with their high school career before you can even turn around. And so you might as well enjoy it.

[00:51:00] Dr. Bob Greczanik: You should write a book or do something about that with your insights to assist people.

Because one of my goals always is to always want to like less suffering in the world and less energy waste. So yeah, by having that would be grateful. I’ve also delved into like essential. It’s not a weird way. It’s actually part of your brain called the old factory bulb. If you smell oils can regenerate your brain.

So I will have people smell certain oils and if they have any angst them all a sudden like. Whoa, what just happened to me, man? Why am I so calm? So there’s little things that we as humans can do that we just take for granted that they’re like little, I don’t like the term bio hacks things I’ve done throughout many years.

Like I also learned like working with teams, I have to work on the head coach. I work on the head coach. It’s not going to work as well. Right. Is that guy’s kinda like the alpha and if I can calm him and he’s on his a game, man, the whole team’s on his ag.

[00:51:52] Mike Klinzing: How have you gone about learning some of the things that you now utilize with your athletes and coaches?

What’s your process for testing, researching, figuring out what things work, what things don’t work. How do you go about doing that?

[00:52:10] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Good question. It’s a little bit of a backstory. So I’ve traveled the world and I did some time over in Japan with blind acupuncturists. They literally blindfolded me for six months.

I’d worked with them blindfolded. They would say, Hey, feel for the rotten apple on the skin. And I’d be like, first I’m like what? And I’d be like, wow, it feels like a rotten apple. Then they’d be like, Hey, feel for the cotton bone leaf. So I’ve developed like a six and seven sensor where I can just sense things, but I don’t believe anything.

I don’t believe anything. I have to try it myself a thousand times to make sure it works. So people might tell me something they did. I’m like, that might be great for you, but how can I make this help other people out? So probably 14 years ago, I started working with world class sprinters and back the day, my uncle was a pretty good all American hurdle, but it wasn’t world class.

And these guys, I started going, like their whole workout consists of 40 minutes. I was like, what? 40 minutes? Like why? Interesting. Right. So I started to look at like, what do people do in the interim. Of their games. So,  Hey, sit around. It’s like, you’re always in a game. You’re always kind of playing in a certain realm, but it’s like how people move their body?

What’s their mental states. I started to study all these different things and I just kind of put it all together, but always coming from myself first, like I had to experience it, then it would be like, how can I give this to someone else? I became very good at, I call it becoming more aware of their consciousness, like asking certain questions.

So it’s like, Hey, when you play your best, what’s going on? How does your body feel? What are you thinking about all these different things? So this became a process, but working with, say, world class track, guys, I kind of want, well, guess what? Every sport I know deals with running. So if I can assist their foot to be better, everyone else will be better.

So got all kinds of stuff. And again, I like, I don’t work. I have fun with I research 24 7. I’m always, I’m always curious for golden nuggets. I just don’t want to do things that don’t work. My stuff that I try to do always works in real time. People literally be like, oh my God, I can’t be who I feel. Well, why can’t you be like this?

All the. That makes sense to you.

[00:54:11] Mike Klinzing: So if you have something that you do with that, let’s say somebody comes in and they have a physical injury of some kind, and yes, you’re able to restore them back to their full capacity or help them to extend that full capacity. Like you talked about earlier.

[00:54:29] Dr. Bob Greczanik: So gimme, gimme an example.

Let’s gimme an injury of some sort, just like gimme a little bit of line with that all.

[00:54:34] Mike Klinzing: Okay. All right. So I’ll, I’ll give you one, I’ll give you one for me. So when I was like 22 or 23, I ran into a screen and I did something in my shoulder that. It’s still, it’s still around. It’s still around today. I don’t, it doesn’t hurt me on a day to day basis, but like, I can’t bench press with a bar anymore, or I feel it, or every once in a while, like maybe every like two or three years I’ll have like a two or three day episode where the pain comes back from what it felt like when I originally did it, like I can’t lift my arm up.

So let’s say that I come into you and I say, okay, here’s my problem. Like I’ve been experiencing this for

[00:55:13] Dr. Bob Greczanik: 30 years. All right. So I’m going to do a very thorough history. I’m going to ask when it occurred to me a few things come to mind already that there’s a constant people don’t know about called tissue tolerance and injury occurs.

Do not assume that tissue’s going to go back to its normal length or elongation, it’s going to hold some scar tissue. So you got some scar tissue in there that needs to be worked upon. So you can get that full range back. You shouldn’t have that for that long. Does that make sense? But I, yes. I also study all the world.

I have all kinds of different devices. I, I mean, I’m like an energy guy. Like people are like, what is this? What is that? I have all kinds of things. I, I also was led into an older gentleman’s lineage, 80 generations back in China. I said, why’d you let me, and he goes, you’re conscious. And you understand things.

It’s not about injuries. It’s about not to have them. How do you perform better? So he can also go through Western tests to see what is going on with his shoulder to identify that. And then I can use certain acupuncture points to bring it back in time. And also note, usually your shoulder usually corresponds to the opposite it band.

So I’m going to guarantee you that’s tight on you.

[00:56:14] Mike Klinzing: Yeah, that makes sense.

[00:56:16] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Makes sense. So there’s different ways to do it. But like when I study with these guys in Japan, we started using noble metals. So I have pieces of like copper or silver that people think, oh, that’s, that’s some,  new HF, no, your body’s system.

That’s made up with all the fascia responds to noble metals. You know what you’re doing? It’ll release in real time. I can use this little device. That’s like getting 15 massages in five minutes. People like, oh my God, it’s gone. What happened? I just restored the tissue back to that stuff. Yeah. It’s so no how we have to link up.

I’ll hook you up for free, man.

[00:56:51] Mike Klinzing: There you go. That’s next, next time. You’re here, man. Put me on the, put me on list. Put me on the list.

[00:56:55] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Quick one though. So when I, to Milwaukee, I was supposed to be there for three days to work on Sam Castelli at a bad ankle. Okay. George co, Hey, I’m going to give you, I’m going to give you three days and I go, okay, one day he’s playing.

And I said, George, who in your team? Isn’t playing that? Well, he goes, well, big dog can kind of struggle struggling, man. I said, let me work with big dog. What you can do with big dog. He said, you just wait and. So I work with big dog. He goes out, I can’t remember the exact total. He had like 42 points, 28 rebounds, 38 points, 23 rebounds next game.

And then even big. Dog’s like, man, I don’t, if I can score 40 tonight, man, what’s going on? I said, I said, Glen, just be in the game. And Carl’s looked at me going like, what’s going on? I said, what’s George have this other idea. Let’s call it swarm theory. Let me treat your whole team and see what happens. I treat his team and they play Indiana past, back the day had a great team.

Reggie Reggie Miller, the flying Dutchman, the Davis brothers tough team. Yep. Yep. They’re beaten them. 42 to 10 in the first quarter, George Karl put, he goes, what the F is going on. He goes what’s what, what do you do here, man? So I’ve done some very interesting stuff. I’ll just say at the NBA level, there’s a lot of egos, which I am.

I am very spirited, but I have zero ego, man. If you called me up at 4:00 AM, I would go beat your house to help you out. If I could. That’s just why I think I was raised by my grandfather and going back to that dam and Tosky stuff. I’ll linked into that about really caring for people. And when you really care, people know you care and that’s a big one.

Cause a lot of coaches even like, Hey, this is about you or your kids be about the kids. Not about you.

[00:58:25] Mike Klinzing: Yeah. I agree on that a hundred percent. I think if you’re genuine and you care about people, I don’t care what field you’re in. You’re going to end up having more success. And you’re also going to attract the kind of people that you want to attract, whether it’s as clients or if you’re a coach you’re going to attract the right kind of players.

That kind of thing. When you do run into somebody who has some resistance, let’s say somebody hears this and says like, oh man, guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Is that a case where you’re like, Hey, this guy, maybe isn’t right for what I do, or is there a little speech that you give him to say, Hey, why don’t you give this a try?

How do you approach that? If somebody’s a little skeptical of this.

[00:59:03] Dr. Bob Greczanik: You have thought patterns, you have not felt what is going on. So a lot of my stuff is what do you feel? I’m, I’m very good at feedback loops. There’s a great term called cognitive cost. I want to get into reducing your cognitive cost.

What is your feedback loop? I’m asking all these questions. So you might like, oh,  you’re talking, like I told you, I don’t believe anything. So I might read something I’m like, well, that’s great for them. I don’t know if I can replicate that. So depending what the person has, like, I don’t know, man, like probably 98% successful people, but a long time ago I did a, was a hospital in Seattle where I was an intern where we did work with chronic achievement, fibromyalgia people.

And I was, I could not believe how these people were living life. I was kind of like, like what man? Like this doesn’t make sense. Like for them to come in for a treatment was all I could do for the whole week. So I got into my awareness. What’s the mental game here. Right? So I would ask the people they’d come in, they’d be terrible.

I said, what’s good about you today. They’d be all mad at me. What do you mean? What’s good about me? I wouldn’t be, if I was good, I said, no, no, hold on. You want to have 10% problem. 90% of the goodness is away from you. So I’m always curious about what’s going on about people’s mental capabilities. Remember, I, we talked about struggle, release lots.

People that might not think a certain way are kind of stuck in their own mind. I want to get you out of your mind. That’s way your body heals. Just like playing basketball, great flow. And also back to that, I used to, I used to drive a motorcycles, broke my collarbone once I was done, but I drive a vehicle.

It’s like, I’m flowing. I’m not driving crazy. I just have this like, flow about me. I’m just in that natural deal. So I’m always trying to get people into that flow state and note, last one, I’ll say is that note, the term fundamentals. What have we got there? Fun. Fun. Always have fun in your fundamentals. It, it just links up.

[01:00:51] Mike Klinzing:  I think when you can bring, you can bring fun to what you do. And I don’t care. Like if you’re at the highest level of professional basketball, and I have to believe that if the game’s not fun, then what are we all doing here? And I say that with kids and parents all the time, it’s one of the things that I do.

I summer cancer, elementary school kids. I always start out by telling parents and telling the kids, look, we got three things we want to do. Number one is have fun. Number two is we want you to learn something. Number three, we hope we inspire you to play more basketball, but you go back to number one and have fun.

And I always say to parents, look, if you send your kid to basketball camp and they come home every day and they say, man, I’m learning a lot. I’m working really hard, but it’s no fun. Then what are we doing here? What am I, what am I doing for a kid who’s 8, 9, 10 years old. And. I’m making the game. So it’s not fun.

It’s a game. The reason why you picked up a ball, the reason why I picked up a ball, it was fun to throw that orange ball through the basket. And that’s what made us fall in love with it. And then there’s clearly a lot more that goes into it as we go along. But I think it’s important to remember as coaches, as players, as parents, that it should be fun.

And sometimes I think we forget about that big time.

[01:02:00] Dr. Bob Greczanik: I would add that, that you get a lot of kids that want division one scholarships, right? Yeah. All of a sudden they realize this is not fun. That’s so true.

[01:02:09] Mike Klinzing: I think there’s we had a guy on Tim Jackson, you know

[01:02:12] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Tim? Yeah, yeah. Tim. Yeah. Yeah. He was, he was like a urban legend when I was like, I don’t know what great it was.

He was like dunking in fifth grade, man. Yeah. So

[01:02:19] Mike Klinzing: he, so he went to, he went to Youngstown state, but I had him on about probably, I don’t know, a month and a half, two months ago maybe. And he just, he wrote, he wrote a book called understanding college athletics to the eyes of college athletes. And he talked about exactly what you just said, Bob, which is.

A lot of people, a lot of athletes and their families don’t have a real understanding of what it means to be a division one athlete. So he interviewed athletes in all different sports and inter interviewed administrators and coaches and different things. And just trying to get people to understand exactly what that means in, especially nowadays, when you look at, at the division one level, what I did when I was at Kent in the summertime, our season ended and literally coaching staff would hand me like a two page ditto, be like, here’s your workouts for the summer.

We’ll see you back here in September. And now those kids are on campus 50 weeks of the year. They’re full time job. Yeah. And they’re working with not, just, not just their strength and conditioning coaches in the summer, but they’re doing whatever four man workouts on the floor with the same coaches that they deal with all season.

I couldn’t even imagine trying to go through the grind of a season. And then turn around and a week after my season ended, I’m right back in the gym with the same guys that were yelling at me for six months. I couldn’t wait when the season ended to go and just play, pick up ball and just have fun and get back into that flow state that we talked about.

[01:03:45] Dr. Bob Greczanik: So note though, look at all the college portal transfers, right? Crazy numbers. You’re like what? Yeah, it’s insane. I’m being re recruited again somewhere also. Note, one thing I have to share is that people don’t realize when you train a day, if you were to take a little nap after that, you will retain more of that in your body than anything else.

If people start looking studies, when people take look little naps like this lay down for 15 minutes, your brain takes that information. What you just did from a motor point of view and puts it back into your body. And also one more thing to that. Sleeping is your best training. Do not forget about sleeping.

That’s when the whole body regenerate. About four years ago researchers at university of Virginia figured out that there’s a big blood vessel in the back of your, in your neck, that actually has inside a lymphatic vessel that people didn’t think existed. So when you sleep, your brain’s actually clearing things out of your head to make you better.

So sleeping. I always tell people’s your best exercise.

[01:04:49] Mike Klinzing: That’s one of the things that if I had to look at one area of my life, since I’ve become a parent, mostly that I’m really bad at it’s getting enough sleep. I just find myself again, I’m working on, I’m working on podcasting late, late into the night with my, with my real full-time job, getting away and being a parent, whatever.

So that’s one of the things

[01:05:11] Dr. Bob Greczanik: a quick add on, sorry for jumping in. No good try that breathing later in the evening, it’ll reset you to sleep better you. So I recommend that people do that breathing five times a day, if want to be optimal. Okay. That’ll help reset your circadian rhythm, how your body responds to things.

and when you breathe your whole body relaxes, but if you do the breathing before you go to bed, you have more space in your body for your body to move around. And what do we know when people get older, they kind of shrink, right? When you breathe, before you go to bed, gravity’s pushing down. When you breathe, you keep more space within your own tissue and that tissue tolerance opens up.

[01:05:48] Mike Klinzing: How long do you do that? Breathing for? Like, if I, if you’re going to do that before you go to bed, how long?

[01:05:52] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Three minutes. Then when you wake up, do it again because you’ll feel it when you get really good at it, you actually feel go down to your feet. Your feet have the biggest porous in the whole body.

And when you feel that, like I could, so I’m whatever my age is, I can still hoop pretty well. Like people go like, man, what’s your age? They’re like, damn, 20 years different, but I take care of myself, but I do. Weird movements after I’m done playing too people thought I was like, Hey Peter, pan,

[01:06:16] Mike Klinzing: this guy, this guy, this guy doing

[01:06:17] Dr. Bob Greczanik: over on the sideline.

Well, it’s kinda like some Curry stuff, man. I didn’t get it from Curry. I got it from my track guys, but moving your body a certain way helps you out. But if you do that before you go to bed, then when you wake up your body, parasympathetically relaxes, go to bed, relax, wake up, relax. Everybody wakes up.  any, my coffee have to hits alarm bum, boom, no, man.

That’s like a, it’s like a slow phase to tune you into the day and note what creativity comes into. You always tell kids or players what’s in your gut. Trust your gut, trust your gut. Don’t go into your head, get in your head. You’re lost. Like I tell like coaches, Hey man, you coach from your head of your gut and they’ll be like, Hmm.

Interesting. Depends on the game. No, if you’re always from your gut, you trust your gut, man. It’s going to, it’s not going to fail you. You’re going to be a lot, lot better with things.

[01:07:02] Mike Klinzing: That’s really good advice. And I think it’s something that clearly, when you think about what. People talk, you have,  the more the morning routine, right?

You talk to any self health expert. And one of the things they always talk about is the, the morning routine and figuring out what that looks like. And I think the, the breathing piece of it is something that is super interesting to me. And look, I, I can tell you, I can tell you right now, I’m definitely going to give that a try and see, see what it does in terms of how I feel and what, and I’m a person that, again, I don’t, I don’t sleep enough, but I also usually wake up pretty,  pretty rare to go and get up.

And my first thing, at least during the, not, not as much during the summer, cuz doing different things, but during the, during the work year, during the school year, I’m I’m up. And then usually I get a workout in right. As soon as I know, as soon as I get up and get moving, but I could see where incorporating the breathing piece of it into it could, could even benefit me even more.

[01:07:56] Dr. Bob Greczanik: You’ll be pleasantly surprised. And what I’ve come across is that people don’t see their breathing. Like you don’t see air, you breathe. Right? So it’s like this. Well, where is that stuff? Right? You take it for granted. Yeah. When you start, I also do a thing where I open up people’s diaphragms. Like a lot of NFL guys will be like, oh my God, I sleep out.

You went away. Which just happened. Well, we just unzipped your lungs because they’re so tight from all these hits you have. If you just do like little simple things, it really, really, it just helps a lot. And again, like I said, my stuff or why waste energy. I’m also in my spare time, I’m writing a book about that.

It’s basically called free health. The premise of the book is 30 chapters, about four pages. Each about things that you can do just one day of your life, that’ll change your life to function better. Like walking backwards is very good. People. Don’t think of that. Like doing certain things where you wake up and bit, the day you go out and see the sun first, your whole body resets, its melatonin and things like that.

So I’ve been around a long time, like I said, 26 years doing this. And to me, the fun of it, the funest thing I get out of this whole thing. Mike is my work with anybody when they smile and I’ve done, I’ve done a great job because you know what? I’ll smile back, man. I’m not trying to smile, but that’s where it.

[01:09:05] Mike Klinzing: That’s very cool. And I think just the book, how far away are you from getting it done? Cause I think just hearing those two little things, oh, I love those little small things or little small changes that you can make, because I think so often you get these big picture. Like you read a book and there’s this big quote unquote plan to revisit yourself and to remake yourself.

And I always love like the little things that you can do that make a difference. So hear you saying, Hey, you can walk backwards or Hey, you can go out first thing in the morning and get sun to me. Those are the things that are exciting. Cuz I like things that I can implement. I can read it

[01:09:39] Dr. Bob Greczanik: and I can that’s premise.

Yeah. Premises

[01:09:42] Mike Klinzing: that, yeah, like hearing, hearing you say all, just try this breathing, try three minutes of breathing before you go to bed, three minutes of breathing. When you wake up, like that’s a six minute investment for me to try and see if it works for me. And so those are things that I love. So how far along are you in the book?

When’s have the manuscript.

[01:09:57] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Okay. So real quick. So I had this idea for probably 20 years about free help, but remember I’m kind of a pattern discrimination. So I’ve seen a lot of people. I can see people where they’re off. So I say, Hey, read this in the chapter. Like, oh my God, that was me. How’d  I’ve seen it enough.

So two other quick ones from that. Sure. Your stomach has no teeth. So please chew your food. When you chew your food, 15 and 20 bites, it’s more liquid. Everything is more efficient in your body. Less blood has to go to your stomach and you function better. Okay. That’s a reason. One, right? That’s a, that’s a good one.

Yeah. Oh, I, the whole book’s load with these things, man. I like it. I love it.

[01:10:36] Mike Klinzing: I love this stuff, man. Seriously. I love it. I love it. because that’s those quick little things that you can be like, Hey man, I can implement that right now.

[01:10:45] Dr. Bob Greczanik: And the other one is just off top of my head. It’s like, you can smell like an oil of peppermint essential oil.

It’ll change your brain frequency from a beta wave to an alpha way, which causes you to relax. It’s like what. That old factory bulb in your nose, nose, no pun intended to change your system just by smells. And again, we don’t see it taking for grant. It’s not. And just note I’m hardcore science guy, thousand times.

You have to try. I have guys in the NBA, NFL that do this stuff. Like, dude just taps me in man. But what happens a lot with a lot of these players, they won’t tell anyone else it’s like a secret. So it’s very, very interesting.

[01:11:26] Mike Klinzing: All right. Let me ask you this. When you talked about peppermint. So as a teacher, one of the things that always happens is kids are taking a stand big standardized test.

And what do we do at the school? We pass out peppermints for ’em to eat during their testing. Good. Bad

[01:11:41] Dr. Bob Greczanik: helps. Em helps out. No, no helps. No, no. So this goes back to a study. Like I think it’s Cincinnati. They actually, so I’ll go back for a second in Japan when you’re working the actually spray stuff. I didn’t get the idea from that in, in there.

So I think it increases your IQ like 10 19 to like 22%. So I actually had a coach that used to, she, she came in to see me and started talking. She goes Pepperman oh my God, we eat peppermint patties before games. I’m like, okay, you’re into it.

[01:12:09] Mike Klinzing: all right. So we’re on the right track there at school for sure, man.

Keep doing it. All right. Good. I like

[01:12:13] Dr. Bob Greczanik: it. I like it. Less sugars for kids. The, the, the, what, how do I want to say it? Back in our day, we didn’t have so much Franken food. The food was not made to taste that way to make you more nutrition. It was made to make you more addicted and to buy it more. Yep. Have to understand that stuff, man.

[01:12:32] Mike Klinzing: Yeah, it’s a, that’s a C I mean, that’s, that’s a challenge. And I think the other thing too, that’s interesting when it comes to food with kids and I say this to my own kids all the time. Like, I don’t know about you, but growing up, like I might’ve went out to eat to a sit down restaurant maybe once a month.

If I was lucky, maybe for sure.

[01:12:50] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Maybe mom was making it right. Or mom and dad was making

[01:12:52] Mike Klinzing: stuff. And now like my kids, we probably, I mean, we probably eat at home more than. I would guess most families, but we still are,  we’ll go out to eat way. I mean, clearly way more than I did ever. When I was a kid and my kids will constantly agitate for, Hey, we’re going out to eat tonight.

[01:13:08] Dr. Bob Greczanik: It’s just like crock pot, get a crock pot. Yeah. That’s like, that’s predigested food. Yeah. That, that, that just helps out. And it’s more nutritious, man. Yep. People just it’s like, God, and you get to higher levels of performance or like, I should say higher levels, like college and MBA. Those little things mean a lot.

That’s a separate, that’s a separator, right? I mean, oh yeah. I got a quick story for you. Sure. Again, as we speak, I just think of stuff. So George, Karl, rod, and Danny Manning hated him. Like, why do you hate Danny Manning? He didn’t go to UNC. He went to Kansas. I dunno if I liked this guy, this was later in his career.

Right. I’m sitting there going like, oh boy, we have to figure out this one. So I go, I’m talking to Danny, wherever we were traveling, whatever team was. I mean, whatever city. I see Danny, he’s always like wheeling this like little luggage bag behind him. I’m kind of like, what’s this guy got there, man. So I go to his room and say, Danny, I’m just curious what you got in that luggage bag.

He goes, oh man, this is my candy bag. So just know how many injuries Danny Manning had a lot. He had every candy you could think of in his bag that he would eat all the time. Wow. And that kind of went, okay. So I’m, I’m a big inverse guy. So he’s doing that. What’s the opposite of that. I don’t want any of that candy, man.

[01:14:20] Mike Klinzing: That’s crazy. I mean, when you think about professional athletes and how fine that line is in terms of being at your best and competing, it’s the very best in the world. It’s kind of amazing. I look, I, you get it to a certain extent maybe when guys are young and they don’t know, although I will say that clearly in the world today, Guys have no excuse for not being informed back.

Maybe when you and I were kids in the seventies, eighties. Yes. People didn’t,  whatever people didn’t realize or understand necessarily all the ramifications of that stuff. Whereas now,

[01:14:58] Dr. Bob Greczanik: I mean, come on. Well, no, you’re making me laugh. I just had another thought. So to playoff game against Indiana and Sam Cassel was eating, remember back in things called chunkies.

Yeah. Yeah. He’s eating like two of those chunky.

[01:15:11] Mike Klinzing: That was chocolate, right? Those big, yeah.

[01:15:13] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Like Sam goes, goes, he call me needles. Hey, needles, playoffs, man. I have to be different. I’ll be like, what? So for the game, I see him going to the bathroom, like five times because of his chunky. Right. And I kind of went okay.

That’s interesting, man. So another quick add on is transdermal sprayed, magnesium on the feet will cause more elasticity and it buffers stress all the time. Magnesium. Buffers stress. People need more magnesium, but not in the form of Citra and oxalate. Those are terrible forms of Citra. There’s like 22 forms of magnesium.

So like once we start talking, I just have to like tell the things that I do all the time with people, but magnesium dramatically helps people be more relaxed. It actually add more bounce to your step. So what’s the source of magnesium. So you can have like a, a spray on it’s called like a transdermal. You can spray down your feet.

Okay. Note, note, that is very slippery, but you put it on. You’ll be like, man, why do my feet feel so springy? Or you can take like a liquid form? Well, I’ll say you can take a pill form of magnesium, but not citrate. Probably glycinates probably the best form or ornate for the body. And when the body has more magnesium, it runs all of these CREB cycles and everything.

So more magnesium equals buffer. I guarantee if you and I went to talk to those parents and gotten that little skirmish low in magnesium, why bad food, your body has to buffer it and stress takes up magnesium. And just note during our pandemic, people became very, very, very hypersensitive. I think it’s because they lost magnesium because of stress.

Yeah. The body north with the kidneys, it goes out and discreet

[01:16:53] Mike Klinzing: it. Yeah. I believe it. I think the stress piece of it, the pandemic certainly contributed to everybody’s stress depending on how you, depending on how you looked at it. And  I tried to look, I tried to look at it and find the positives every day and do the same with my kids.

But certainly I know it affected a lot of people in a negative way without, without question, but I feel like we have like four more hours that we could go where we’re coming. We’re coming up on an hour and a half.

[01:17:15] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Well, we’re good, man. I just want to say one more thing. Yeah. Go for it. I created, I created this product.

I’m not a just note. If anyone knows me, I’m not a seller. I don’t even advertise, man. People just find me word of mouth. That’s just tell us about, tell us about the big toe yo-yo. So I worked with these track athletes about 13 years ago, and I noticed that if their big toe was off, they couldn’t run as well.

So I kind of went, Hmm. If their big toes are off, how’s restless, society’s big toe. So I figured out big toe is off and almost everybody. So I had this idea for this big Toyo for about 12 years. I met a guy about six months ago. Who’s an MMA fighter. I did some work on him. He goes, listen, man, I don’t know what you did to my feet.

It’s the best I felt ever. And I said, well, what I did was something I could do manually, but I have this idea for this yo-yo and he goes well, just by having my, my family makes these devices or like products. So again, the idea, it basically goes around your big toe and other toes. We can actually flex your foot and you will feel more release in the big toe and think of the big toe, like your thumb.

Think of your thumb was off. That’s the way most people’s big toes are off. So once you activate that, there’s. Five layers of fashion, that attached to the big toe that once you release it, people literally feel like they’re walking on air. And again, let’s go back to my premise. Why S why is energy I’ve come across?

 people always talk about your core. I’m like, well, I think your actual number one thing, first of all, is your platform, which is your feet, because you’re always on them. And we take them for granted. I always tell women great toenails, great shoes, men, cool shoes, ugly feet, right? Yep. So you can use this big to yoyo before you compete or after, but it will give you more range in your whole body for releasing that fascial plane,

[01:18:56] Mike Klinzing: Where can people get it?

[01:18:58] Dr. Bob Greczanik: So I, again, I’m not a whatever business guy, but I guess I have to be to help people out more as the energetic sports laboratory. Oh, no, sorry. Energetic sports lab.com. There’s a little piece in there about it. And some YouTube stuff. We just had supply chain issues, getting it, but. Everyone that’s used it.

All my pro guys college guys are like, dude, what, what the heck? I’m like, listen, man. It’s more about you feeling it. Not about you telling that to me. I, this woman that came in with her husband, former college football player, he was like, like, dude, I like, I haven’t felt this good in like 20 years. It was just interesting.

I just wanted to say that thing. Cause let me say that to you, man.

[01:19:33] Mike Klinzing: Absolutely. All right. Before we get out, I want to give you a chance to share how people can reach out to you. How can they find you email, whatever I know you already just shared the website, social media, whatever you got throw at me. And then I’ll jump back in and wrap things up.

[01:19:46] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Oh, same one energeticsportslab.com or Gclinic@gmail.com. I think I need a bigger presence on that stuff, but literally I’m so busy. I don’t have time for those things, man. I’m just having fun doing my thing so we can talk.

[01:20:01] Mike Klinzing: There we go. Dr. Bob, I cannot thank you enough for taking the time out of your schedule to join us tonight.

Been an absolute pleasure, getting a chance to talk to you. And some of the ideas and things that you brought to the table are things that we don’t often always think about or the things that we haven’t always discussed here on the podcast. But I think you brought a lot of interesting things that people can do.

People can try, and clearly anybody who’s listened to this all the way through has to be at least a little bit intrigued by some of the things that you’re doing. And hopefully you’ll get some people that’ll reach out and hopefully we can make a difference and get people to, to tap into maybe some of the things that, that you’re talking about that they don’t always think about conventionally when it comes to improving their performance and injury rehab and that kind of thing.

So again, thank you for your time. Appreciate it.

[01:20:42] Dr. Bob Greczanik: Everyone. I just wanted to thank you that it’s like I’m talking to a long lost brother and I really mean that, you know what I’m talking about in the basketball realm,

[01:20:48] Mike Klinzing: Man, for sure. For sure. Yeah. I appreciate that. And again, it’s this podcast been a labor of love.

I’m glad you’ve been able to be a part of it. It’s cool that we were able to connect and that we got this shared past that we can go and reflect on. And I think that I’m going to talk to you in a second about our, our post pod conversation here, but what we always hope is that some friendships develop out of this.

And I have no doubt that that’s what’s going to happen here. So again, Bob Kent, thank you enough. Really appreciate it. And to everyone out there, thanks for listening. And we will catch you on our next episode. Thanks.

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