CLINT HORDEMANN – SELECT BASKETBALL DIRECTOR OF PLAYER DEVELOPMENT – EPISODE 528

Clint Hordemann

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Clint Hordemann is the Director of Player Development for Select Basketball, an AAU Program based in Garden City, Idaho.  After playing at Boise State University, Clint began his coaching career at the University of Nevada-Reno under Trent Johnson. He also worked for the Idaho Stampede of the NBA’s Developmental League before starting with Select Basketball in 2003 .

Clint graduated from Boise State in 2001 after 4 seasons on the Bronco basketball team, including a run to the Big West Conference Championship game. After attending Clackamas Community College as a freshman, Clint walked on at Boise State and earned a full scholarship for his three remaining seasons.

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Be prepared to take some notes as you listen to this episode with Clint Hordemann, Director of Player Development for Select Basketball.

What We Discuss with Clint Hordemann

  • Growing up as the son of a Hall of fame High School Coach in Idaho
  • Looking up to the players on his Dad’s teams
  • “You can never feel bad in the gym.”
  • Winning a state championship in high school as a junior and then having his team broken up when a new high school opened up his senior year
  • What he learned from each of his two high school coaches
  • Never thinking about coaching while he was still a player
  • How he lost his scholarship opportunity at University of Idaho as a result of a coaching change
  • Attending Junior College and then walking on at Boise State
  • Coaching AAU for the first time in the spring of his senior year
  • Getting an opportunity to coach at University of Nevada-Reno under Trent Johnson
  • Discovering that coaching college basketball was not going to be his career path
  • Working with the Idaho Stampede in NBA D-League
  • Seeing the opportunity in AAU Basketball with his brother
  • Why he loves player development
  • Giving kids in Idaho and the Northwest opportunities to compete and get more exposure
  • How Select works to develop players over a wide geographic area
  • Putting together their coaching staff at Select
  • “Any decision we make is first and foremost is what’s the best thing for the player?”
  • “If there’s a conflict with an open gym or a workout with us and your high school, see you next week, go work with your high school.”
  • “Our goal is to help a kid play, get some more exposure and return them to their high school team a better basketball player.”
  • The backwards notion that an AAU Coach can spend more time with a player than a High School Coach
  • His advice for parents of high school basketball players – “Find someone that’s telling you what you need to hear, not what you want to hear.”
  • Seeking upfront defined roles to head off future problems

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TRANSCRIPT FOR CLINT HORDEMANN – SELECT BASKETBALL DIRECTOR OF PLAYER DEVELOPMENT – EPISODE 528

Mike Klinzing: [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to the Hoop Heads Podcast. It’s Mike Klinzing here with my cohost Jason Sunkle tonight, and we are pleased to welcome to the podcast, the Director of Player Development for Select Basketball, Clint Hordemann, Clint, welcome to the Hoop Heads Pod.

Clint Hordemann: [00:00:12] Thanks for having me guys. I’m excited to be here.

Mike Klinzing: [00:00:16] We are excited to be able to have you on learn about all the great things that you’ve been able to do in the game of basketball. I want to go back in time to when you were a kid. Tell us a little bit about how you got into the game. What some of your first experiences?

Clint Hordemann: [00:00:26] Well, I was very fortunate. My dad was a high school basketball coach.

He was my dad’s in Idaho hall of fame. He’s won three state championships in Idaho. And so I grew up in the gym he would take me to practice you know, as young as I could grew up in the gym, don’t wanna games. And so I just fell in love. Cause my dad’s one of my very best friends.

We’ve always had a great relationship and No, I just love the smell of the gym. You know, the ball bouncing in all the best parts, I think as a kid was my dad’s players were [00:01:00] always so cool to me. They made me feel special. And I love that camaraderie. I loved just being around them and So, yeah, I fell in love right out the gate, man.

So and it just blossomed from there. So I just always wanted to be in the gym. I spent all my time. I just wanted to be in the gym wanting to get better. You know, again, the unfortunate that my dad could work with me a lot, coach me at a, at a lot of different points in time. He he was a terrific blend of giving me advice, being honest with me.

But really never chewing my butt or overstepping his bounds. He, he was, he was the master of, of just saying just the right stuff at all the right times. So that’s kinda my first introduction for sure.

Mike Klinzing: [00:01:41] Anybody who has coached their own kid or been coached by. Their parent knows that that’s a really difficult line to walk to walk.

I know I can speak to that. And my son is is a sophomore this year and it’s difficult. It’s difficult to walk that line between being a dad and wanting to help them get better. [00:02:00] And just making sure that you don’t go too far in one direction. So it’s great that you were able to have that kind of relationship with your dad.

When you think back to that time, did you, have you mentioned your dad’s players, did you have a favorite player? Like somebody that really was your guy that you looked up to for whatever reason, whether they were a really good player or whether the way they treated you. Just, what do you remember about that?

Clint Hordemann: [00:02:20] You know, what’s funny is, so there was the guys that were the great players, right? The best players of the team, the guys that are dunking and doing, you know throwing LOBs, doing all this stuff. But some of the guys that were the best, like the Bart leeches and some of these other guys, they were just, they were awesome because they just made me laugh and they would like they would have me jump into the bat ball, handling drills with them and would, weren’t scared to.

You know, let us jump into lay up lines and stuff like that. And not necessarily, those are like Bart, for instance, it’s just the guy I I’m friends with to this day that it was more just, he, this, the spirit that he had, you know what I mean? That just made it really fun. You know what I [00:03:00] mean? And so, gosh, but there’s a ton of those guys.

There was so many of the Mike Saturday ans the Jeff Sanders that were just really good to, to, to me and my brother. And just again, made it really special.

Mike Klinzing: [00:03:12] So when you’re looking up to those guys, I know this is a conversation that we’ve had with a lot of high school coaches. And I think one of the things that when I think about what makes a good high school program is kids looking up to those players who are older than them, and eventually wanting to be.

One of those players. So when you think about that, obviously your dad’s relationship and impact on you and getting you in the gym and having that opportunity. But when you think about the impact that those players had on you, do you think that that influenced you as much, or even as much as your dad did just seeing those guys be like, man, someday I want to be out there in the layup line, just like they were listening to the pep band or whatever it might be.

Clint Hordemann: [00:03:55] Yes. And maybe [00:04:00] this is a unique answer, but I think it just more than anything, it just made the gym a very special, safe place for me. Where I knew that I could I, that I would like, you can never feel bad in the gym. Like we just had that feeling, you know what I mean? Like I just, all the way to the gym we’d stop and get donuts on the way back.

The whole experience made just basketball Saturdays with my dad just like made me look forward to it all week long. You know what I mean? Like, cause obviously it’s a winter sport and in this, and then during Christmas break, just being able to go in almost every day, it just made it just like a holiday.

Every, every time I could go because again, my dad didn’t put any pressure on me to like, Hey, I need you to get a bunch of shots up or this and that. Most of the time I was a really little kid, but. It was like being in the gym. You know, you just, you fell in love with it. Like you said, you mean Boise high school was where my dad coached and I can still like, [00:05:00] if I can smell it and I can hear from the downstairs, it’s a really old gym. I can, I can remember the ball the way it sound when it’s bouncing, when you’re in the locker room and all this. And so it was just, again, it just becomes. Going to the gym was just a happy place. So it was always, that’s how you get better, right?

Hey, you want to go to the gym? I’m there? I mean, my high school coach would hate this, but like we used to find ways to break into the gym when nobody was around. Learn how to Jimmy, the lights on. Maybe he knew me. He didn’t. He knew we weren’t going to do anything stupid. We were just going in there to get shots up.

You know what I mean? But it may be midnight, but like, you know what I mean? Like it was that safe, wonderful place. And if you’re a junkie, that’s where you want it to be. It just developed that love and passion.

Mike Klinzing: [00:05:46] So when did you realize that the type of access you had as a coach? Was unique because obviously when you’re seven, eight years old, that’s just your reality.

You’re not really thinking about, Hey, I got access to the gym. What did you start to realize that, Hey, I had it pretty [00:06:00] special and a lot of my buddies maybe didn’t have that same kind of access.

Clint Hordemann: [00:06:04] Boy. I think we learned everything. After it happens, right. Like I probably was. I mean, I was probably, I didn’t know any different, you know what I mean?

Like my dad retired from coaching when I was probably, I don’t know, 14 years old and, but I still know how to get in it and now I can figure out ways to get to every gym. I knew I to get my spot. And then when you play college ball, I mean, they want you to have access, so you have always have access, but then as you start to coach.

And you’re finding that now it’s a little bit more difficult and you know, you can always, I’m a big, I’m a big, Hey, just go outside and play guy. You know what I mean? Cause you can do that anytime, but you’re still, it’s not the same, you know what I mean? You want to be in that gym, you want to hear that ball the be in that situation.

And so I can’t miss probably when I was starting to really coach and then go and cheese it’s hard for, I want to practice three or four days a week. I [00:07:00] can only get in there once, twice, you know? And then you’re like, geez, Louise, these kids. I never remember it, having that problem you think I never remembered having that problem or this problem.

So it was definitely later. But man, it makes me think back and go tease out. Like you said, it perfectly like, man, that was even luckier than I even thought. I didn’t even realize it. A lot of it that everybody else didn’t have the same opportunity because you said also, and when I was 10, I didn’t have any different didn’t know any different.

I thought everybody had that gradient.

Mike Klinzing: [00:07:29] Absolutely. I mean, I think that that access, when you talk to a coach’s kid, that’s one of the biggest things that they always talk about is just, Hey, I was at practice when I was six years old and I was the ball boy, and I was out there and doing this and that the players kind of took me under their wing and it’s just, I think it’s such a unique experience.

So many kids don’t get that opportunity. And those that do, I think you, like you said, you don’t realize in the moment, but after the fact, when you look back, you’re always like, wow, that was really what kind of got me off to a great start. When [00:08:00] you think back to your own high school career, do you have a favorite memory, something that stands out for you?

Clint Hordemann: [00:08:03] Yeah, I win a state championship when I was a junior was really, really special, obviously. I was in kind of a unique situation. They built a new school and it was going to open my senior year. But there was a group of us that had all been together for a long time that had played with my dad coaching and this and that.

And that my junior year we went 26 and O in one state. And just when the horn went off and we had done it just the special moment and it was like, obviously it was really cool. Cause it was you, you won state, but it was because I did it with my friends. I did it with the people that I really cared about and that’s what made it really, really special.

That would be my favorite. Obviously that’s an easy answer I can give you a lot of little whatever along the way, but that’s, that’s the pinnacle, right?

Mike Klinzing: [00:08:48] Absolutely. So when this new school got built, then that school merged, did you guys merge with another school and combined? And is that what happened?

Clint Hordemann: [00:08:55]  Yeah, correct. So basically [00:09:00] if you were in the boundaries of the new high school, you had to go to that high school. If you were in the other boundary. Because we didn’t, we weren’t full, you could choose to come. And some kids did and some kids didn’t it just kind of depended, but it basically had, it was a pretty, it was a big split so man, that had to be tough guy.

That’d be tough. Holy cow. It was, it was, I wanted to stay. Obviously we just came off a great season. One of my very best friends. It was actually a division one player and he he stayed and I left because I had to, I didn’t have any choice. And so it was kind of fun to create. And at first it was kind of devastating, but the reality is, is that it gave me, it really did give me some new opportunities to, to be a leader.

It gave me a new opportunities to. I know it sounds crazy, but like that split allowed me to be more mature when I got to college because I played with a lot of, I mean, there’s probably [00:10:00] only two or there’s only two guys, me and another kid that came from Centennial. Everybody else was new.

They came from Meridian or wherever. So. I mean, I was kind of trying to step into a totally different situation. Just like again, when you go to college, right. You’re you’re there and you don’t know anybody. You’re like, I gotta prove myself today. So that was actually in hindsight, I think became kind of a blessing, even though it would have been really fun to win state twice.

We had a great year. We won districts, we beat Centennial in the district championship, which was another great memory. So we had a great season my senior year. It just it was a unique, but, but, but was great. And I’ll tell you right now, I loved the coach. That was a different coach. And I loved my coach at Centennial, but the new coach was a different voice and I really loved him as well.

So it did work out in the end.

Mike Klinzing: [00:10:52] When you say, talk about your own journey to coaching, how much impact it had have having two different. [00:11:00] High school coaches. And what have you taken from each one of those guys? Cause obviously, as you said, you love both of them sounds like maybe in different ways that they each had different strengths or things that you really enjoyed when you played for them.

So what are some things that stand out about each one of them?

Clint Hordemann: [00:11:13] Well, I think one is that, so my first coach, when you really well, because again, we had been to camps for years, right? Like he was the coach at Centennial for a long period of time. So we would go to camps there and we would so. We would we did summer leagues together and we we worked our way up the ladder, so to speak there at Centennial.

So got to normally, well, it was really comfortable because we had a lot of success and TA was just a really nice guy. He was just a really good guy, just a super nice human being. And then The coach that I, we got an Eagle coach Dennis was a careful, it was just a lot more hard-nosed and direct was a little bit like he could, he could, he [00:12:00] could chew your button now he was just different.

Right. And so, and I liked that too. My dad was more that way. And like I said, my dad never coached me in high school. He retired, so he could essentially watch me and my brother play. Like, he was like, listen, it’s I, I’m not chewing up. Right. I don’t want my, I don’t want my kids traveling over here to a different school, whatever.

So he had retired. So it was great. I learned a lot from both of them again, like the one thing I really respected about coach turf was he cared about me a lot. So it was okay from the, to my boat when I made mistakes. Right. And that, that, that taught me a lot, you know coach hyper spark was just great because again, I knew he, he loved on us.

He cared for us. He really let us You know, play a little bit more free and open and, and all that, but there are both awesome coaches and got, I think they really did get a lot out of me. So I just really appreciate both of them.

Mike Klinzing: [00:12:48] It’s interesting that when you think about the types of coaches that players play for the players like to play for a typically, I guess I think of somebody who likes, oh, wow.

[00:13:00] The quote, unquote players, coach style, or I like the guy that’s going to maybe get on me a little bit more. It’s interesting that you got exposed to both at the high school level, which again, gives you a perspective of how you may eventually want to be when you’re a coach, because you can take bits and pieces, the things that fit your personality and eventually mold them into your coaching style.

Were you thinking about coaching through your high school? And then we can talk a little bit about your college career, but were you thinking about coaching. At that point, obviously your dad was a coach who was coaching, something that was always in the back of your mind or were you kind of have the mindset that I’m a player at this point and coaching really never crossed your radar until you got done playing how’d you approach that piece of it?

Clint Hordemann: [00:13:42] 100% was the latter. I was a player I had, no, all I was thinking about was the next rep, the next, whatever, you know what I mean? Like I, I, my approach was I didn’t, it didn’t even Dawn on me that I would coach. I mean, I kind of was like, oh yeah, I would say a student of the game, but I [00:14:00] was more like from a player perspective, I was totally a player perspective.

It did not dawn on me to like, I was taught by my dad to just do it. Your coach tells you to do, he’s got your best interest in mind. Just do it. Do you get what I’m saying? So I was just out there trying to do I was trying to win basketball games and trying to just be the best player I could.

I didn’t even cross my mind to be a coach at that point in time.

Mike Klinzing: [00:14:23] I can totally relate. That’s how I was. I think I was a kid who loved basketball, but at the same time, I just never, I always thought of myself as a player. I never once thought of myself. A coach or a coach in training. It was always like, I’m just going to take my playing career as long as I can take it.

And I think I probably still feel that way, honestly, even though I don’t play anymore, I probably still feel more like a player sometimes than I do a coach. Tell me a little bit about your recruitment to college. A little bit about your journey, because you have an interesting journey. You go to a community college as a freshman.

Then you walk on at Boise state and you end up playing [00:15:00] there for the remaining three years on scholarship. So I’m sure that your story has some relevance to the kids that you’re involved with that select. So just give us a little bit of a background of, of your college journey.

Clint Hordemann: [00:15:11] So I learned the brutalities of recruiting immediately.

So I, as a senior I had been recruited by coach Cravens at university of Idaho. Verbally committed to play at Idaho was gearing up and excited to go be a Vandal. My dad and my mom are from Moscow. Both went to university of Idaho. And my brother was at university of Idaho as a student. And about two weeks before national signing day, they fired Coach Cravens and,and hired Kermit Davis. And so I went up to visit coach Davis to see what you know, basically it’d be like, we’re still go. And coach Davis had recruited. I mentioned one of my really good friends that was at [00:16:00] Centennial to Utah. And that’s where coach Davis came from. And so he gave the scholarship that was going to me to him.

Mike Klinzing: [00:16:11] So, welcome to college basketball.

Clint Hordemann: [00:16:11] It was very, it was a very brutal two days of my life or a day in my life. You know, I’m like, holy crap, what am I going to do now? And so you know, I had some division two, I had some other recruitment from some other division, one schools, but I had called those guys and like, listen, we filled your spot.

And I totally understood that because this was now April back then. Recruiting happened a lot earlier than it does now by leaps and bounds, in my opinion. Just in the sense. You know, people play what spots there’s so few transfers that you know, what spots that you are going to have.

So we can talk, we can talk about that different now there’s the transfers and blah, blah, blah. Because most kids just went there all four years to listen. You know, I know in three years we need, we’re gonna lose three seniors and they can fill the spots. You’re starting to fill them. Right. Anyways, it’s different now, but I didn’t really have a place to go.

I had some division, two schools and some others that were in with offers and I just was like, listen, I [00:17:00] want to pursue the D one dream. I had it in my grasp and and it slipped away. So I went to a junior college, had a really good experience. There played really well. And Boise state was recruiting me, but I was basically like, I it’s time for me to move on.

So they said, walk on, and then we’ll scholarship you. If you, if you come here and play, but off we’ll scholarship you the next three years, because we don’t have any scholarships for you, but we do have one for the following year. You know what I mean? Like I was just saying, so I walked on It was fantastic.

Registering, I think is every kid should do it. And got my school. Right. Got my body. Right. Got my mind. Right. To play and then, and then played three years of Boise state and, and and it was awesome. You know, it worked out great. You know, I had a very. Kind of unique role and, but I embraced the heck out of it, loved it.

And in a way we went, so yeah, I had a, I had a great experience and, and it was, it was, it was [00:18:00] great, great arena. It’s awesome. I love it. I love it. Love

Mike Klinzing: [00:18:03] The arena. That’s probably one of my favorite. So I have two, I have two favorites, Boise state’s one. And the other one is the roundhouse which is now middle.

Well, Tennessee, Chattanooga. Sorry, I’m just drawing a blank. Instead of Tennessee, Tennessee Chattanooga. Both, both really, really cool areas. Those are probably my two favorite places that I played. Just, just in

Jason Sunkle: [00:18:21] terms of the building. I know that before you, Mike it’s because the terrellowens is that the only reason I knew Tennessee to Chattanooga, that’s where he went to school.  Did you know that Mike? I don’t know if I knew that I knew I should’ve known it from showman. Because that’s how I knew it, but, but anyway, yeah.

Mike Klinzing: So I just, I don’t know for whatever reason I was getting my Tennessee’s all mixed together, but nonetheless, Tennessee Chattanooga, we played in a tournament there when I was at, I think a junior maybe, but anyway Boise state’s arena.

Very cool. Really a cool place to play. So you get done, what’s the plan from there when your playing career ends?

Clint Hordemann: [00:18:54] Yeah, so I. I kind of just got to the point where honestly, like I was like, yeah, I’m just going to take a [00:19:00] break from hoops. You know what I mean? I had some small contract opportunities overseas that were just like playing for peanuts and I’m like I’m ready to kind of see what the next chapter is.

So I actually moved one year before that, just let me backtrack one step. So I go to, I go to California and I get a job that I don’t love. I think like personally graduates, but they’re trying to figure out what the heck they want to do. But then backtracking, when I was my senior year at Boise state, my, my coach, her foot at Eagle called me and said, Hey, would you have any interest in coaching, a little kind of local AAU team that.

We’ll just stay local and play some tournaments and this and that, but you what kind of offense I like to run and defense, I like to run and all that good stuff. And so it really helped out the program that if you wanted to come and do that. And so me and a friend of mine went and started coaching that spring before I graduated and I had a blast.

So I kind of got a taste of the [00:20:00] bug. Right. Then fast forward, go to San Diego. Extremely long story, probably. I mean, it was, it’s a unique story, but university of Nevada, Reno, Trent Johnson, I’m not sure if you guys know who Trent Johnson is. Trent’s actually the coach at Northridge. He was at LSU. He was at Stanford, Nevada, et cetera.

My dad, he was played at Boise state and he, my dad, he was he was like a security guard at micron, which is a tech company in town. And my dad got him to be the sophomore B coach at Boise high school. And it was his first coaching job. And so he worked from the sophomore, be at Boise high school, all the way to the head coach at LSU and Stanford.

Anyways, when he was at Nevada, I said, Hey do you have a spot in your staff? So I can maybe try and see if college basketball is what I want to do. So I go to Nevada Reno and. I do that for probably nine months. And it was one of the, probably the best nine months [00:21:00] of basketball, like knowledge that I’ve ever had just cause I’m on the back end now.

And coach Johnson is just a wealth of knowledge, just, he just was giving me like everything you could possibly imagine as far as. College coaching recruiting what, what it takes to get out of your players. What are we looking for in our recruits? And for him to going back to what we talked about earlier, literally trying to.

The player out of me and saying, you’re not a player, you’re a coach. Now get it out of your system. Stop saying, this is how I do it. This is how we should have done it. This is how I would have closed out there. I would have blah, blah, blah, stop saying it. And so I did it for nine months, but I didn’t also realize a couple of things about college coaching was that it just wasn’t for me like the travel.

I wanted to have a family. I knew that. The travel and all that. And I get people can mix on and do a great job as dads and husbands and whatever, but I just was like, man, this is not exactly what I wanted to sign up for. So then I took a job at Idaho stampede, which is the [00:22:00] NBA. It’s a G league team is know it was in at the time it was in the it’s just a minor league team  based out of Boise, I got a call from the GM and he gave me an opportunity to go work there. And that was a great learning experience as well for basketball, just in a sense. In minor league. There’s no, there’s no job description from minor league. I was in the front office, but like literally you’re doing marketing, selling season tickets.

On-court promotions, coaches calling me saying he needs another body for practice. I mean, it literally you’re doing everything. And then I got another friend that talk about going in a totally different direction. I had another friend that after about nine months. Said, Hey, you know do you want to be a financial advisor?

I mean, you want to do some sales and I think you’d kill it as a financial advisor and they would give you the time at the time my brother was working, doing some AAU stuff and said, my brother was like, listen, we could really get involved with this. I think there’s some opportunity here [00:23:00] with AAU, which is kind of, this was in probably 2002 or three.

There’s a lot of opportunity here. I think there’s some for camps, clinics, teams, whatever. My brother’s really got a great business mind. And I was like, I think I can get the players. And so I took a totally different job that allowed me to really dive headfirst into select and the AAU and getting into coaching that way.

Which then is when the light went off. Once we got started in, I was like, okay. I found what I want to do for the rest for literally the rest of my life. So that was kind of my coaching journey to get started. Anyways, that was the long story

Mike Klinzing: [00:23:37] long. No, that was a great, that was a great story because it gives us a really good perspective on how you got to where you are, or at least where you started on that road to get where you guys are with select today.

So tell me why or how you came to realize that that a new part of it was what you. We’re going to dive into, and [00:24:00] that was going to be part of it. Cause obviously you knew right away that college coaching with the travel and the family, we all know that anybody who’s been around college coaching it’s a grind.

I mean, you’re spending lots and lots of time in the office and it takes a lot of travel and it’s, it’s a challenge. And we’ve talked to coaches at lots of levels that have expressed that as well. So what was it about jumping onto the AAU side of it? Really captured you and made you think, Hey, I can, I can make a go of this.

Clint Hordemann: [00:24:31] I think one was okay. So my favorite part of coaching is training. And so I, I really love the fact that when I coach I can train like tonight, I’m working with 15 guys and I can train a me and a couple of my other guys and we can train them like right. You can fix it. You know, you can fix the issues to improve, make, have them improve, work on their weaknesses, improve their strengths, et cetera.

[00:25:00] That was one thing I felt like I could do at a, with a younger level. And so that was one thing that was a big deal. The other, I think was just, again, I could, I, it was an opportunity that I knew. That myself and my brother and all the kids, my age there wasn’t really AAU. It was more like, Hey, do you want to throw something together and go play in a tournament someplace?

I was like, we can organize this. We can, we can organize this and, and put these kids from a small area, which, which we are on a bigger stage to see, to help them get scholarships. Because let’s face facts. Nobody’s going to come. You know, such and such high school in Idaho to watch one kid play basketball, we need to get our best players and take them to them.

And I’m not just talking division one. I was talking, I’m talking to all levels, right NAIA D two D three junior colleges, everything. And I, so I really saw that could be our avenue and to be quite Frank, we got going and then we got, we started the we’d have some [00:26:00] success and then we’d get a roadblock.

Fix the roadblock have more success. And again, we can dive more into that stuff if you want to. But so we just kept trying to expand and get better because what happened really was we got my brother and I are super competitive and we still are in a great way in a very controlled, not like competitive with our kids.

I mean, like, let’s get better. How can we get better and finding solutions to making kids better? So that’s what I want. That’s what I’ve realized was, and I could do it right in my home area and. And impact the kids in the, in the area that I care about, which is where we get most of our players in the Northwest.

Mike Klinzing: [00:26:37] It makes a lot of sense. I think the player development piece is something that there’s some coaches that they live and die for the X’s and O’s piece of it. And then there’s other guys that live for that player development and watching a player grow and improve and get better. And I think if you tend to, I think coaches tend to gravitate to probably one or the other that they love more and it’s great that you were able to find the piece of it that made sense for you and got you excited to be doing what you were doing. You mentioned the roadblocks. I think that’s something that is interesting to me. In a sense of when you guys started back in 2002, 2003, as you said, a couple of times a day, you really was not.

What it is today. So anybody who’s a parent of a high school athlete today, if you were the parent of a high school athlete in 2003, what you were looking at and what it was is something completely different. So give me a roadblock or two that you guys ran into as you were trying to build this up into.

What it’s become today. And at the same time as a new basketball was kind of developing around you. So the environment was developing, and then you were trying to develop your own business within that environment. Just talk about some of the challenges that you ran into.

Clint Hordemann: [00:27:51] Well, I think that, so in, from the, from the area that we I’ll, I’ll start [00:28:00] with this.

We only had one team back then, so, and we had one team playing one or two teams playing in the summer. Now we have 17 teams. Playing spring, summer and fall. And what happened was essentially we get the kids together and we would play in our pool play and we had one thing about our areas we’d get gritty, tough kids.

And so we would play in our pool and pool triple J in front of no coaches. And then we get an opportunity to go play against some great team and we get, we get. But what would happen is I’d watch our kids and we get down 25 and a half time, and then we couldn’t come back to, but as, as they were, as they were competing throughout the game, they were getting better.

They were understanding, oh, that’s the angle I got to take and whatever else. And so we sat down and said, all right, enough is enough. After a couple of years, we need to get, we need to get younger teams. We need to get, we ended up. LA more year round we need, do [00:29:00] you get what I’m saying? Like they needed to get to get exposed to this earlier so that when they’re 17 years old, they’re not going, oh my gosh, they got kid crawled up in me.

I don’t know how to get them off of me if that happens when you’re 14 and now I can bring you back to wherever we’re at and say, all right, let’s work on how that happened, why it happened, you know? That way we can now compete. So we’re getting these younger guys and now they’re getting better. Right?

They’re getting better. Our developments happening. So yes, there is a lot of other teams in the valley, but they’re seeing our kids develop and get better faster. So they’re now mom and dad are going, why am I got my, my son playing for this team? Yeah, he’s playing with a couple of their better players.

He’s, he’s not getting the development. This other kid is getting and he’s pet, catching and passing my kid. So I’m going to go sign him up for select instead. This is, this is a better option for me. And so those were our roadblocks. Now, now we’re not pooled triple Z anymore. We’re in double D and I’m going all right, so now we’re getting better pool games and we’re beating them.

And we’re still [00:30:00] competing when we get against the high upper echelon teams, but we’re not beating them. And that’s when I dunno. She’s how I can’t remember how long ago it was. It was probably 10 years ago, eight years ago. We had a kid named Riley Bracha. Riley was at a small town in Montana and we mostly up to this point only had Idaho kids and Riley was highly touted.

He’d already committed to Utah state. So he’s a great player. And my, my wife’s from Montana. So I, I know the lay of the land. I knew a lot of people, so I went over there and visited with them and we got them to complete. Well, now we’ve got this point guard. That’s a high level division, one point guard where I had that year, a couple of other division one guys.

And now all of a sudden, we’re like on the big stage and we’re, and we’re winning or beating these teams. Right. So and so now I’m getting now we’re in Montana, right? And these kids that saw what we did that summer and were competing at a higher level. And I’m not saying we just like go out and win the.

We’re competing on a national level now. And then at [00:31:00] all, levels are 15, 16, and 17. Now we’ve got Montana kids that are calling us and saying, Hey, we want to be a part of this. And now we’re getting even bigger, a bigger footprint and we’re getting better players. And then I get a kid named Cody Kelly.

That was a division one player. I don’t Wyoming. Same thing happens without, oh, this is all happening over 17, 18, 20 years. But now we’re getting all the best players, better players coming out. And we’re going along or we’re training harder. We’re doing a lot of video. So Kik has kids. Aren’t living in the area, but we’re like, this is here’s some, a lot of skills we need to work on.

Here’s what we’re going to be anyways. So the roadblocks, we just kept saying, okay, how are we going to get better? How are we going to figure out ways to beat these teams that are just quite frankly, bigger, stronger, and faster than we are. And we said, we’re going to do it by playing harder. Now we’re getting matching up to it.

And then really playing team basketball, motion concepts, playing our style of ball and them going, geez, I can’t guard I can’t guard him, you know as a team, they’re just moving the [00:32:00] ball too fast and they’re, they’re doing it, you know? So it’s, that’s kind of how it all came to be to this point.

So sorry for that long explanation, but I would say it’s takes time training and then we all know those. You got to get some Jimmy’s and Joe’s.

Mike Klinzing: [00:32:17] Absolutely. So what is your development program look like today? So if I’m part of, one of your better teams at the high school level, what is my spring summer look like in terms of how practices are set up, how individuals skill development is set up?

What’s my travel schedule. Just to, how do you guys get things organized to best benefit your plan?

Clint Hordemann: [00:32:43] It’s really hard. So during the school year, it’s very difficult just because we do carry such a big footprint. So we try to provide a lot of videos. We try to provide a lot of audio and video using the technology so that they can work on their own.

I don’t expect a kid to. [00:33:00] Fly to Boise, Idaho every other week from Missoula Montana to get better. But I do expect them to continue to train and improve and work hard on their game. And so I think essentially that’s how if they’re out of town, like what we’re doing right now is once, twice a week, we’ll do so tonight, I’ve got these guys for an hour and a half.

I love kids that play multiple sports. So if they’re playing football, they’re playing whatever do it I, I, there’s nothing wrong with that fitness in find time, get off your con your video games and get, find time to work out or come in or whatever, but we’ve got plenty of workouts you can reference, but like tonight, well, I’ll work them out for probably 45 minutes and then we’ll let them play the last 45 minutes with instruction in between games, instructing point, guys.

Throwing my arm around him. Hey on that one where you got the ball picked think about hesitating here and going on that, that, on that one, you gotta make sure you’re boxing the amount. He’s a great rebounder blah, blah, blah. But you know it starts with this, [00:34:00] all the workouts in the world, a lot of kids now, they just go, I got to work out guy and the ones that really get good are the ones that get a workout and then they want to go work out on their own.

Absolutely. Those are the ones that I, over time, I see the most amazing results with are I give them five new things to work on tonight, but then they spend the time on their own. It’s not me making them it’s there. They’re like, yeah, I want to get better. I’m going to go get in the gym. So I’m giving them some tools, but they’re the ones that are going to use enough.

You know,

Mike Klinzing: [00:34:30] that’s such a great point because I think so often. Parents players are misinformed about what it takes to really be great. And they think that, Hey, if I spend an hour with trainer X once a week, that suddenly I’m going to be transformed into some kind of great player. And I think your point of saying, I give them the tools.

I give them some things to work on, and then they go, they [00:35:00] go and do that on their own. I mean to me, that’s the secret formula. It’s not a secret, but that’s the formula is, look, you get coaching from someone who knows what they’re talking about. Someone who can guide you in the right direction and then says, okay, these are the things that you need to improve on.

Or these are the things that are your strengths that we can make even better. And now you go to the gym or you go out on your driveway or whatever it is, and you put the time. To improve and get better. And as you said for your geography, the way you guys are situated, yeah. You can’t fly a kid cross country three times a week to come and work out with you, but you can get them the tools that they need in order to put that work in on their own.

And when they do, you’re going to see the kind of results that it sounds like you’re seeing with your guys. When did you and your brother have to start expanding beyond the two of you as the only. Guys coaching teams, because obviously when you start out, you don’t need a whole staff of coaches and it’s easy to [00:36:00] kind of have quality control because you know what you’re going to do and how you’re going to teach it and what you’re going to do.

But obviously as you expand, it becomes more of a challenge to make sure you have the right people in place that have the same philosophy as you do, and are teaching the game in the same way that you want it taught. So how did you go about the expansion process and the hiring of coaches to make sure that.

What you guys were all about continued to expand your culture?

Clint Hordemann: [00:36:27] Well, I think we’ve always, our big thing is one coach, which I try not to kill it. More than one team. So we’ve always if we had five teams, we’d have five coaches and over the years just been super lucky, super blessed to get the guys that we’ve gotten.

Because we’ve been getting a lot of great high school coaches, guys that really want to put in get extra reps and work with kids. We’ve had a heck of a good time with NAA, like head or assisting coaches because they don’t, aren’t under the same constraints. [00:37:00] Yeah, the vision one or division two level where they can, they can coach and they can come in and they can, they can run their program.

If you’re in any I assistant coach that really wants to be a long-term coach. That description, that guy in more than likely is a young guy that has a ton of energy that, that wants to work his way up the ranks. But also hasn’t been able the opportunity to like call his own timeouts. You know, get the experience of drawing up a play with seven seconds left to go in the half of the game.

So they love it because one, they get to get out and recruit on our budget on our dime, but they get to like work with their players, draw up the plays, call the timeouts and all of those experiences. So, and I’ve just been around a long time, you know how it is, you just meet a lot of good people and you, and you foster those relationships and you, and you’ll just know like that kid, that guy right there is good would be phenomenal.

Coaching a 16 new team you’d be so good. [00:38:00] And you know, our road trips, you’ve got to picture this on a, on a charter bus with 17 coaches all talking hoops. So you’re sharing a ton of new ideas because our, again, our philosophy is eight players, one coach, and that coach is responsible for his eight players.

Getting it. We just, they all stay in the hotels. A lot of times we bust together from spot to spot if like in the summers. And so we’re, we’re together and we’re, and we’re, like I said, they’re getting them from spot to spot, keeping them safe, but taught teaching them the game, working with them teaching them the finer points all of those things.

So yeah, it’s, it’s a. We expanded pretty early that way. But we, we did get a guy named Andy Harrington. Who’s done a, is a high school coach has done a heck of a job. They won state last year at Middleton. That that does work for us full time. And then we just got to get him. Ours are RC Nugent, and that’s from actually he’s from, I don’t know how we got it done, but he’s from Baltimore, Maryland.

We knew Andy through it. [00:39:00] Through a prep school that they had worked out for a while, five years ago. And then, and I called him and I got him to come this way too. So anyways we’ve been really lucky. We’ve just been around a lot of really good coaches, a lot of coaches that are head coaches at the D two NAI level or assistant D one coaches.

Well, we got them when they were 25. You know what I mean? Now they’re 30 and just, just killing it. So it’s fun to watch those guys get, get. Refund a lot of awesome rewards to the game too. So

Mike Klinzing: [00:39:27] absolutely no question about that. How do you guys approach the relationship with your players high school coaches?

Cause I know that’s always, I don’t want to say controversial, but there’s always sort of this rivalry out there between AAU and high school basketball and I think the best AAU programs and the best high school programs figure out a way to. Make sure that they’re both in it for the good of the player.

So just describe how you guys approach that part of the relationship.

[00:40:00] Clint Hordemann: [00:39:59] A hundred percent. I mean, like I told you, my background from my growing up is this was high school and there should never be there shouldn’t be a conflict with this. If everybody’s looking at a calendar and saying here’s the times, and we’re going to work with the kids, here’s the time when you’re going to work with the kids.

Our ultimate goal, any decision we make is first and foremost is what, what’s the best thing for you. Literally that’s number one. We talked to a ton of high school coaches and try and get their input on what’s going on, what they want the kids to improve on. And like I said, we’ll, we’ll work with like July.

They hit the kid around here again, when the states that we work with and I’m not going to speak for every state. Cause I don’t know how they all operate their calendars, but here high school seasons. The spring that they’re restricted on how much time they can spend with them. It’s a great time for them to work with their high school and work with us.

And I always tell the guys, listen, if he’s got, if there’s a conflict with an open gym or a workout with us and your high school, see you next week, go work with your high [00:41:00] school. And so we find there really isn’t a conflict. The guys are working hard, they’re working out with both. And that open communication makes it really clean.

And our goal is to help a kid play, get some, some more exposure and return them to their high school team, a better basketball player. And that’s it, you know? Not undermine or undo what, anything that, that, that, that coach is trying to do with their kids. But just again, just try and make them better.

And then and just give him some more positive experiences. Cause I know there there’s so many great high school coaches around that. I know they’re giving them a great experience, but they’re, they are limited. The craziest part about this is they are so much more high school coaches. So much more limited with regards to a player’s time, then a, a AAU coach.

Which to me is backwards. If you think about it, I mean, that’s a certified high school coach that, or that’s all probably also a [00:42:00] teacher that’s been totally had a background check on them, whatever else, but some average DOE Joe, a felon off the street can work as much as they want with any kid. Anytime you explain to me how that’s, how that’s okay.

Mike Klinzing: [00:42:16] It really is a backward system in that regard. There’s no question about that. I know we’re pushing up against your time limit. I want to ask you one final question and then give you an opportunity to share how people can find out more about what you’re doing. So my final question for you is when you think about being and you guys talk to parents all the time with high school players, if you had one piece of advice for the parent of a high school basketball player who had ambition of playing college basketball. What would be your one piece of advice?

Clint Hordemann: [00:42:46] Ooh, that’s a great question. I’d start with this. And it’s hard. It’s really hard. As a parent, I think to do this, you have to find people in that world, in the basketball world. If that’s what it is, if you’re a football player, it’s [00:43:00] football world, whatever, blow up for the basketball world, then you have to find someone that’s telling you what you need to hear, not what you want to hear because.

So many times I’m around a kid and he’s like, well, I was with this guy and he told

me  this and this, and I’m like, what facts does he have to back? What he just told you, what experience does he have? That’s giving you that information. And then I think that just seeking, seeking upfront defined roles, allow for everybody player and parent to have a great experience with the game. And what I mean by that is I have players all the time that I sit down with that play on my top top team that I’m like your job. You’re, you’re a guy that is a three Indy guy. You, you will get time on this team if you play great defense, dive on every loose ball and make some open threes.

But if you’re trying [00:44:00] to, if you take a turnaround Jumpshot or whatever, I literally can’t play. And I’m telling that to the kid and I’m telling that to the parent, and then I’m looking the parent in the eye. And if they’re fine with that, when it happens in a game, there’s no beef. If that makes sense, it makes total sense.

Like, like, oh, well my kid, Johnny, didn’t get to shoot you’re letting little Johnny, shoot it more than my son. Why is that? I told you two weeks ago, this is his rule we already had, we already had this discussion, right? Yes. We have crossed this bridge. So if you don’t like. I told you that the only way he’s going to get to play on this team, if he takes some shots away from my top scores, then I can’t, I can’t.

And I’ve told them that look, I was a three indie guy all through college. I wasn’t, if I took two months, I took more than three shots, a game. They would’ve never let me play. But I had a job and I said, no matter how you slice it, 50% of the game is played on defense. So I need you to be an elite defender.

They’re gonna get to play a lot in, you’re still going to get a chance to play college [00:45:00] basketball. I promise you. And so it’s finding, seeking that truth because. And, but it’s really hard because parents, they just want to hear what they want to hear. They, they, they’re not out. A lot of times they’re not seeking truths.

They’re seeking Feel good’s right. And here’s the deal. 90% of all parents are good. That are, are awesome. It’s just right. I think we all have a problem with those one out of 10 when you’re like again, you’re seeking it. You want me to tell you what you want to hear? And you want me to tell you that your, your son.

And you want me to tell you that this and that listen, the ones the players I’ve had that were stars. I didn’t have to tell them they were star. You want a why? They already knew they were the star. They don’t have to go pound their chest. Listen, dude, you can take worst shots in that guy. You want to? Why?

Because you’ll make him, sorry. I to take that same shot.

Mike Klinzing: [00:45:55] That is, that is so true. That’s a great piece of advice. I think parents, [00:46:00] parents being realistic is always a challenge and yeah. When you can have those honest conversations, I think it heads off a ton of problems before we get out clean. I want to give you a chance to share how can people find out more about select what you guys are doing, whether you want to share just your website or social media, and then I’ll jump back in and wrap things up.

Clint Hordemann: [00:46:16] Awesome. Well, my brother’s going to hate this when I say this, but select basketball, usa.com. I am not. I do zero social media, so I know, I think it’s so…

Mike Klinzing: [00:46:28] Your Twitter is @SelectHoopsUSA,

Clint Hordemann: [00:46:33] And Instagram is something else. Again, my brother is going to kill me.

Mike Klinzing: [00:46:38] We’ll get it all. We’ll get it all in the show notes. Everybody can find it at selectbasketballusa.com. You can find everything. They got all the links. Despite lack of knowledge on this, you will be able to find them easily.

However you want. Again, Clint, I cannot thank you enough for taking the time out of your schedule to jump out with us tonight. Really [00:47:00] appreciate your time. It was a pleasure getting to know more about what you guys are doing out there in the Pacific Northwest and building your program and just all the great things that you’re doing to try to help kids and make the game better, which is really what this is all about.

So thank you for your time and it’s everyone out there. Thanks for listening. And we will catch you on our next episode. Thanks.

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