ROUND TABLE 19: WHAT IS THE MOST OUT OF THE BOX TACTIC OR STRATEGY YOU’VE EVER TRIED? – EPISODE 333

Coach's Corner Round Table #19

Welcome to the nineteenth edition of the Coach’s Corner Round Table on the Hoop Heads Podcast. Each episode of the Coach’s Corner Round Table will feature our All-Star lineup of guests answering a single basketball question.  A new Coach’s Corner Round Table will drop around the 15th of each month.

July’s Round Table question is:  What is the most “out of the box” strategy, tactic, or training method you have ever tried with your team or an individual player?

Our Coaching Lineup this month:

  • Mark Anderson – Owensboro Thoroughbreds (TBL)
  • Craig Campbell – Clovis West (CA) High School
  • Mark Cascio – Catholic (LA) High School
  • Matt Grahn  – University of Dallas
  • Tim Heuer – 180 Coaching
  • Alicia Komaki – Sierra Canyon (CA) High School
  • Dell Leonard – Mountain Home (AR) High School
  • Don Showalter – USA Basketball
  • John Shulman – University of Alabama Huntsville
  • Joe Stasyszyn – Unleashed Potential
  • Tyler Whitcomb – West Michigan Aviation Academy (MI)
  • Todd Wolfson – St. Francis (CA) High School

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TRANSCRIPT FOR ROUND TABLE 19: WHAT IS THE MOST OUT OF THE BOX TACTIC OR STRATEGY YOU’VE EVER TRIED? – EPISODE 333

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Hello, and welcome to the 19th edition of the coach’s corner round table on the hoop heads podcast. Each episode of the coach’s corner round table, we’ll feature our all star lineup of guests answering a single basketball question, a new coaches corner round table will drop around the 15th of each month.

July’s round table question is, “What is the most out of the box strategy, tactic or training method you have ever tried with your team or an individual player? Our coaching lineup this month includes

  • Mark Anderson – Owensboro Thoroughbreds (TBL)
  • Craig Campbell – Clovis West (CA) High School
  • Mark Cascio – Catholic (LA) High School
  • Matt Grahn  – University of Dallas
  • Tim Heuer – 180 Coaching
  • Alicia Komaki – Sierra Canyon (CA) High School
  • Dell Leonard – Mountain Home (AR) High School
  • Don Showalter – USA Basketball
  • John Shulman – University of Alabama Huntsville
  • Tyler Whitcomb – West Michigan Aviation Academy (MI)
  • Todd Wolfson – St. Francis (CA) High School

Please enjoy this round table episode of the Hoop Heads Podcast. And once you’re finished listening, please give the show a five star rating and review. Make sure you’re subscribed to the Hoop Heads Pod so you never miss an episode. You can find us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts and YouTube. If you haven’t already, please tell a coaching colleague or friend about the Hoop Heads Podcast so they can listen and learn from some of the best minds in the game.

Mark Anderson Owensboro, Thoroughbreds  of the basketball League,

Mark Anderson: [00:02:51] Probably the out of the box strategy that I’ve used as a coach with a team was a four out one in zone defense [00:03:00] versus a

Three point shooting team. Um, I was a high school coach at the time, and we were going into the state tournament in Indiana. And the team that we were playing was a, uh, a bigger school and they shot all threes. And the center was instructed that if he shot anything outside of the free throw lane, he’d be taken out of the game.

So we, what we did is we put four guys on the three point line. Or just write straddle in it or just right above it and made them shoot from a little bit further out. And then, and they really never tried to penetrate. I’d like to tell you that we won the game, but we didn’t. We lost 55 to 52. We had the ball at the last second to, to shoot a desperation three.

But it’s also a strategy that I’ve used at the professional level. This past season, we were up three with five, six seconds to go. The team we’re playing had advanced ball into the front court. And we came out after the timeout [00:04:00] into a, into a four Oh one zone. And the other team didn’t have any timeouts left.

They didn’t know what to do against it. And the clock ran out with them, dribbling trying to get handoffs in the three. So it’s something that I wouldn’t use a lot in there gain situation, but towards the end of the game, maybe as a surprise tactic with the lead, it may be something to try just to get away with once or twice in a season.

Mike Klinzing: [00:04:25] Craig Campbell from Clovis West High School in Fresno, California.

Craig Campbell: [00:04:33] I think one of the out of the box things that we do, we’ve tried to do several of them, but we run a blob team are based on how to bounce team, which. No, a lot of teams, just the ball goes out of bounds. And the five-year of on the four that are on the play.

And when we were deep, we’d kind of leave that team out there. But in 2017 we graduate a lot of talent. And my second team was having trouble remembering the plays. They’re holding back the top six or seven kids from adding more stuff. And [00:05:00] so one, we went to a blog team so that. We had five kids. We’re going to execute every time, but we also went to it because if you think about it, what if you’re running it for a three and you’re two or three best, three point shooters are sitting on the bench just by chance at that time.

So I run our blog team with a pastor slash decision makers, the inbound, right. At least two very good shooters, at least one slash or at least one post who we can use for bigs, for LOBs and different things, but also as screeners, um, to either get mismatches or whatever. So, um, our efficiency on our blog team is I don’t look to get the ball and we look to score.

And so we run a lot of good sets to score off of blobs and, um, By having the personnel. I want doing that every single time I get to hand pick what five kids, I want to try to score off of that. So if we get a three point shot off a Backstreet on a blob, my best shooters, getting that ball versus maybe it’s my [00:06:00] eighth or ninth best player.

So we’re in a Bob team. As soon as the buzzer sounds, they know they have to run, check in the kids that were on the four checkout. And as soon as the ball’s being inbounded whatever kids that were initially on the floor, Check knock in if they were coming in and out. And, um, it has been very efficient for us.

The last few years were we scored a high pace and I can take that blob team. All of our kids need to learn the base sets, but I can take that Bob team. And by the end of the season, we’ve got 25 blobs and, and those kids, you know, knowing like the back of their hand, you really need a six person. So you have a sub.

Um, the other nice thing about it is is your Bob team isn’t necessarily your starting five. And so you can have an eighth man. That’s a really high decision maker or something of that nature where you’re kind of give a kid an extra role, um, that makes them feel more valued and get some opportunity as well.

So our Bob team is definitely one of the things that we do that’s out of the box kind of confuses the rest. Cause people are constantly coming in and out, but, um, it’s controlled [00:07:00] controlled havoc for us. We know what we’re doing. Hero’s one other out of the box thing we’ve done before is. When we know that team’s inbound or on their blobs is very small, like in girls’ high school basketball, if it’s a five, four or five, five guard, we’ve actually situationally gone.

A Bob defense for we’ll put two bigs in. So two kids that are like six one six two. And just as the ref is about to hand the inbound of the ball, both girls, both of our two bigs will sprint and double the ball. And so they’re.

We have two people on the ball, preventing the blob in PA inbounds pass from coming in.

So no opportunity for anything to the room for the other team, the other three girls markup one covers the ball side corner. One covers the ball side elbow, and one covers the weak side block. And the only thing teams have been able to do on us when they get that, that inbounds in his totally heave, a pass back towards half court.

And [00:08:00] so it’s taken away. It catches him. So off guard, it’s taken away scoring options. Um, on the board, we’ve actually gotten a few five second counts off of it. We’ve actually had teams have to burn a timeout because of it. So that’s a situational, not very common to see teams, double team the inbound or on a blob on offense for them, Bob defense for us.

So, um, it’s another situational thing that. Well, one of the other arrows we put in our quiver just for, if we ever see that in the scout and need it. We know we have it in our bag.

Mike Klinzing: [00:08:36] Mark Cascio Catholic High School in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

Mark Cascio: [00:08:44] I think the most out of the box tactic that we’ve used is when we saw a triangle triangling two, we stuck our two players be in face guard or that half court and played three on three in the half court. I think it just threw [00:09:00] through our opponents for such a loop that they got out of it. And we never had to face it again.

Mike Klinzing: [00:09:06] Matt Grahn, Recruiting Coordinator at the University of Dallas.

Matt Grahn: [00:09:12] One of the most outside the box tactics I’ve used with our players was, uh, here about five, six years ago. We were coming off a record breaking season at, at the school for most wins. And we lost quite a bit of a, uh, senior class and a lot of leadership.

And so we were determining roles and, um, What we needed out of our returning players in individual meetings at the end of the year. And what I did is I took those roles and actually created like superhero, uh, personas for heart guys returning and went so far as to, um, create Photoshop. Images of them in their superhero personas and make posters out of [00:10:00] them.

So, you know, some of the roles we had was, um, one of our guys, we just needed him to be a beast. And so I Photoshop him as a, uh, the beast character from the X-Men movies and another one, uh, we needed him to rebound. So, uh, w I. Photoshop, Tim is a war machine from the X-Men movies, but renamed it, the rebound machine.

And, uh, you know, for general guy Photoshop as a, as a general. And, um, the guys had a lot of fun with it. And for the most part, uh, most of those guys, uh, took to their roles and it was just kind of fun, a fun way of, of emphasizing. What we wanted out of those guys and what we needed to do to be successful.

Um, but it was also fun for those guys to, um, you know, see each other in those roles and, uh, create images in their heads of what, uh, their teammates should be and hold them accountable to that too.

[00:11:00] Mike Klinzing: [00:11:00] Tim Heuer from 180 coaching in Orange County, California.

Tim Heuer: [00:11:07] Hi, this is Tim Heuer with 180 coaching and the most out of the box training method that I do, I would have to say, would be in regards to shooting.

So I would say anywhere from 50 to 75% of the time, when I’m working with people shooting a form shooting, I’m not actually. Having them hold the basketball and shooting at a hoop.

Uh, most of the time, uh, they’re shooting maybe on the line or shooting at a line on the floor, they’re shooting on the side of the back board shooting to a teammate or shooting against a wall. And I always have a saying that, uh, that I say that changed the route, change the tree. And I’m really trying to correct their form.

And it’s hard to correct someone’s form when they’re concerned about making the basket. Cause they’re not going to do that right away. [00:12:00] Uh, so what I really try to focus, I gets on his certain fundamentals that I preach and teach. And then also just having the ball goes straight in when you’re shooting against the wall side of the back board to a teammate or a line on the floor.

Um, you know, you’re working on certain fundamentals and it’s an easier transition and hopefully their form will naturally improve. And then, you know, does 25% of the time we start shooting actually at a, at a real live basket. Um, also a great way to get up. A lot of shots in a short duration is shooting without the ball.

In fact, that’s typically how I start my practices with my teams is we take about a hundred shots in the first five minutes. And the way you do that is no one has a basketball. They just line up on the baseline or on the three point line or half quart or any line on the, on the line, on the floor. And you just have them shoot.

Just add them, take a shot without a basketball and a, you can get 20 to 30 [00:13:00] shots up every minute. And so you can get anywhere from a hundred to 180 shots in five minutes, and it’s a great way to get your shot numbers up. So that is that’s, that’s the most unusual or out of the box thing that I do. Um, in regards to training methods.

Mike Klinzing: [00:13:19] Make sure you check out these other great podcasts from the Hoop Heads Podcast Network, Thrive with Trevor Huffman, Beyond the Ball, Cavalier Central and the CoachMays.com Podcast.

Alicia Komaki, Sierra Canyon High School in Chatsworth, California.

Alicia Komaki: [00:13:46] The most out of the box tactic have ever used in a game would be the state championship game. In 2019, we were up against probably the best three point shooting team I’ve ever come across. Anyone who knows coach at doc Scheppler knows his teams [00:14:00] can always shoot for me. And this team was his best percentage of group.

And they were led by Hannah jump who was headed to Stanford. Uh, so what we did was we played a man and two denying their two best shooters all over the place. Floor all the time. And we put our six, three center on the point guard. We had her back off and contest the drivers for length, and we dared her to shoot the three over her.

Um, so I guess it worked, we won the game and we won the state championship and definitely a crazy tactic. And, um, when we, we hopefully don’t ever have to use again, but it worked out

Mike Klinzing: [00:14:34] Del Leonard, Mountain Home High School, Mountain Home, Arkansas.

Dell Leonard: [00:14:41] Dell Leonard Mountain Home, Arkansas, this month’s round table question.

What is the most out of box strategy, tactic or training method you have ever tried with your team or an individual player? I’m going to go with strategy last year, we had a decent team. Um, I knew that probably we’d probably be a [00:15:00] lot better at the end than we were at the beginning. We opened up with a very good team that was ranked in the top 10.

And some of the national polls and their strength was that they all could shoot the three, they shot it in transition. They ran dribble drive. They shot it in their half court or offense. They averaged 80 something points a game, and we really didn’t match up well with them. So I knew if we lined up toe to toe with them, that we were going to lose by 30 anyway.

So I thought, why not try something out of the box and see if it works. And if we lose by 30, then. It wouldn’t have made a difference. So we practice, we literally had three kids that were, um, volleyball players. Their season ended, they got three practices under their belt with us. Uh, we worked really hard on two things and that was, we sent four people back in transition and they ran to the three point line.

And found a man because the team we were playing was so good shooting [00:16:00] the three with success and transition. And then the other thing we did once we took away, the, the, yeah, three-pointer in transition is we did not help off. And I know that’s not a, you know, that’s not a surprise for most people that defend a dribble drive, but we literally.

Hugged our man, like seventh grade defense away from the ball. And I told him, I told our kids, if you get beat off the dribble, which you’re going to some, because that’s how talented some of these girls are. I just want you to try to try to chest up, throw your hands back where they’re not at an angle where you don’t foul the shooter.

And you’d be surprised how many times that they’re so used and conditioned. To having that wide open three pointer available because people have a tendency to help off well, when they didn’t have that three point shooter wide open, and then it was just one on one to the rim. And if we didn’t foul, it’s amazing how many times that those teams would miss those [00:17:00] chippers, especially on the left side.

So that’s probably the most out of box thing that we’ve ever tried. Strategy-wise and actually the. The reason why I wanted to call in and, um, submit this. This is because it actually worked. We ended up winning the game and, um, it was, uh, something they almost make, but it’s a little bit, because the next few games, our kids suddenly forgot how to help off the dribble, which, uh, we didn’t, we needed them to get back to, to regular man, to man.

But thank you very much.

Mike Klinzing: [00:17:34] Don Showalter, USA basketball

Don Showalter: [00:17:41] Don Showalter here with USA basketball. And the question for this month is what is the most unusual thing, uh, out of the box strategy or tactic that I’ve used with a team? Uh, or an individual player, I would think probably the [00:18:00] most unusual for me would be, uh, playing a triangle in two, on a, uh, triangle to defense on, uh, underneath, out of bounds, play by the opposition.

Uh, in fact, we tried it and we liked it so much. We kept using that with our junior national team taking away the two. Best shooters are the other team and playing a triangle and two

on just the outer bow, a play. And we would stay with it for the extent of that series. So once we got possession of the ball, the next time down, we were in when our normal defense.

So that’s probably the most out of the box thing that I can think of. Thanks. Have a great day.

Mike Klinzing: [00:18:50] John Shulman, University of Alabama, Huntsville and the 720 sports group.

John Shulman: [00:18:57] This is John Shulman, head basketball coach at the [00:19:00] University of Alabama in Huntsville. And the question is what’s the most unique or outside the box thinking, um, tactic or whatever I’ve done in, in coaching.

I’m not real creative, but I do have a couple things that maybe other people don’t do, I guess, individually. Trying to teach kids how to chew with good form, uh, taken tape and taping it some back. Um, uh, we have a lot of summers and I’ve coached a lot of summers trying to take that stuff out of play in, in whatever tape you can find and tape dad gum some back.

Uh, with athletic tape and, and you may not be able to swing a ball at them. And, um, because I’ll have a tough time catching it, but at least it tries to teach them how to get that left thumb out of there, out of their shot. I guess I do more outside the box. They can maybe with our team, and this would be the one thing I’d [00:20:00] probably like to give it.

Hopefully you can fall a little bit when your team’s fatigued, exhausted. You bought two in a row late. Um, they’re, they’re beaten down, um, get two pads out. Like we’re going to have an unbelievable practice and we’re going to kill them and box out drills. And then while I’m talking to him, um, very simple.

I’ll have an assistant coach, uh, bring in. The basis and, and, uh, and the hats and the balls, and we’ll play wiffle ball, and I’ll be all time pitcher and we’ll play wiffle ball and we’ll have an absolute blast or take him to a movie or do something to get their brains off of where they’re at. And it’s just a little pick me up deal that, that I’ve tried to do.

And, uh, we usually have a lot of success after we play wiffle ball. That’s another thing. It’s a, I was actually talking to an old assistant coach and buddy of mine. Uh, today [00:21:00] is we had a coaches competition in practice on how positive we could be in practice. Uh, we were coming back from a loss at Austin Peay.

Our kids were exhausted. They didn’t feel like being there. No one felt like being there, but we played a really good James Madison team the next night with left Zell as the coach. And we had. Uh, me and the two other assistant coaches had a positive competition. No one else knew about it, but we did, uh, whoever’s the most positive, got a free dinner that night and just went crazy and fake enthusiasm.

And sometimes you got to do that, uh, to, to get your team going, just listen, whatever outside the box thinking you can do really nothing’s wrong if you truly believe in it. So I believe in playing wiffle ball, when things go bad. And, and having fun and, um, you know, bringing your team over to your house, uh, when things are going bad, not when things are going good, when things going bad and having a dinner [00:22:00] and making sure they know that you love and care for me, it’s not outside the box thinking, but I think it’s very important.

Hope some of this helped, uh, I’m not a pro pro and outside the box, they can, but hopefully, uh, some of this helped and you can use it and have some success. Thanks.

Mike Klinzing: [00:22:19] Tyler Whitcomb, West Michigan Aviation Academy, Grand Rapids, Michigan.

Tyler Whitcomb: [00:22:26] Hi Hoop Heads nation. This is Tyler Whitcomb from West Michigan Aviation Academy.

Uh, this is round table. Question number 19. What is the most autobox strategy tactic or training method you have ever tried with your team or individual player? Um, easily. The most autobox strategy I used is about six years ago. I was coaching varsity girls basketball. We were playing a team that had they’re fully loaded with two players and.

Scouting them prior to the game, they were used to triangle twos and boxes and wands, and they’re used to it kind of the, [00:23:00] the typical, um, tactic that you’d have or gimmick mask, whatever you want to call it. So what we did is we actually guarded, um, three players with five players and we let two players just flat out anytime they get the ball.

Ah, they’re that bad. I know it was kind of, uh, uh, very gimmicky, um, tactic and strategy, but I actually worked, um, we basically let those players make plays and we did everything we can to basically guard. Uh, definitely their two stars, but then their third player that could make a few plays here and there.

And there was a team that was a 16 and 14 that year. And actually we, uh, we pulled up upset that game by using that tactic and strategy. So hopefully it can work for coaches, um, you know, and it wasn’t the whole game, but it was most of the game. Um, they made, uh, they adapted to the strategy and we had to make some adaptions as well.

So I hope that helps. Uh, thank you very much.

Mike Klinzing: [00:23:55] Todd Wolfson St. [00:24:00] Francis High School. La Canada California.

Todd Wolfson: [00:24:05] Hey, how’s everybody doing? This is Todd Wolfson. I’m the head coach of St. Francis High School. We’re in La Canada, California, right outside Pasadena. And, uh, when I answered the question, um, most out of box strategy we use, um, and there’s two of them.

That I like the first one is during a losing streak, you know, three, four games in a row. Most coaches are yelling at kids and trying to rewrite their day game plans. And why this? Why that usually we lose three or four in a row star practice, one plan Dodge ball, um, or we’re going to play ultimate Frisbee or we’re doing something that’s.

Completely out of the box that just gets our mind off of losing when you’re losing and you’re on a losing streak, everybody knows you’re losing its attentions, Kabul in the room, and a lot of those things. So I just try to do something completely different to start practice, to get their minds off things and to change the flow [00:25:00] and change the rhythm.

And then with individuals, I kind of use a little bit of reverse psychology sometimes, um, and you know, kids shooting, having a bad shooting week and, you know, he’s. Two for 14, from three. Um, in that week, what I’ll do is I’ll go find a Steph Curry box score, where he’s three for 21 or a Jordan, Michael Jordan box score, where he shot two for 15 and Kevin Durant box scores, and I’d print them all out and post them in his locker all around his locker.

And that way he could rip them off and laugh because he’s not the only one. And that goes through bad shooting, streaks, even pros do. And, um, you know, then we’ll sit down and mention it and talk about it and joke about it. And. You know, sarcasm Steph Curry during practice and things like that. So we can just kind of take his mind off things.

Those are two strategies I use out of the box. One team wise, one individual wise, hope everybody’s doing well, staying safe and healthy and, uh, take care. See you next week.

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