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Welcome to episode six of our Hoop Heads Podcast Series called “Mentality with Dwayne Killings – Season One at UAlbany” The series will document Dwayne’s first year as the Head Men’s Basketball Coach at the University at Albany.
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Today we’re diving in with both UAlbany Head Coach Dwayne Killings and UAlbany Basketball’s play-by-play and color announcer Charlie Voelker. Charlie talks about his role in the media, covering Great Danes Basketball, and what he hopes to see Coach Killings accomplish during his tenure at UAlbany.
What We Discuss with Charlie Voelker & Dwayne Killings
- Charlie’s start broadcasting UAlbany Basketball and Football in 1996
- His job at Time Warner and working as a GM for a minor league baseball team
- Working in the athletic department at UAlbany as the associate athletic director of external affairs
- What makes UAlbany Athletics special
- The freshness that Dwayne has bought to the program and its potential as a mid-major
- Dwayne’s willingness to get out in the community and talk to people about the program
- The way Dwayne has embraced players and people that had been at UAlbany previously
- Letting people get to know him and his staff as more than just coaches
- How Charlie and Dwayne have begun building a relationship during his early days as the Head Coach
- The story behind the book, Legacy Builder, that Dwayne gave to Charlie
- Having an impact in the community and leaving a legacy at UAlbany
- “You gotta live in the moment because what we’re going to create is really special. We don’t have everything at Albany, but that’s okay. We have enough.” – Dwayne Killings
- “We’re sending out 500 student athletes every year into the community, but we only care about the ones that are going to get drafted in the major league draft or they’re going to go in the NBA or play in the NFL.” – Charlie Voelker
- Balancing media access to the program
- How Charlie handles student-athletes vs how he handles professional athletes
- How Dwayne helps prepare his players to interact with the media
- Handling social justice issues from both the coach and media perspective
- How Charlie prepares for a game as a broadcaster
- Charlie’s method for learning name pronunciations
- What an ideal partnership between Charlie and Dwayne should look like
- Looking forward to coaching and broadcasting in front of a capacity home crowd
- A way too soon Gonzaga comparison!
- Checking in with high school coaches even when they don’t have a recruitable player helps cement a relationship
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TRANSCRIPT FOR “MENTALITY” PART 6 WITH DWAYNE KILLINGS – CHARLIE VOELKER: UALBANY PLAY-BY-PLAY & COLOR ANNOUNCER – EPISODE 482
[00:00:00] Mike Klinzing: [00:00:00] Hello, and welcome to the Hoop Heads Podcast. It’s Mike Klinzing here this morning without my co-host Jason Sunkle, but I am pleased to be joined as part of our Mentality series with Dwayne Killings. Although Dwayne is not here yet, but we are joined by our guest Charlie Voelker, who is the host of Voelker and Bahl, a brand new show on ESPN 104.5, the Team in the afternoon.
And so Charlie, welcome to the Hoop Heads Pod. We’re excited to talk some UAlbany Hoops and get to know you a little bit better as well.
Charlie Voelker: [00:00:31] Absolutely. Mike and I’m fired up to be on the show and talk with you and talk with Dwayne when he finally gets here. But I’m definitely getting in the Mentality, the whole thing.
Mike Klinzing: [00:00:41] There you go. All right. So let’s start with a little bit about your background. Tell us. You worked for the University at Albany at one point in the athletic department.
Charlie Voelker: [00:00:50] Yup. I actually started doing their games. I did their basketball games for, I started doing their basketball and football games in [00:01:00] 1996.
I graduated from there back in the eighties and then came back to do their games. And then in 2003, I became the associate athletic director of external affairs. So I handled a lot of marketing or corporate sales all their media relations things. I didn’t do a lot of broadcasts in the 2010’s, but by 2015, I started doing broadcasts again with them. I did the NCAA tournament with the great Danes and then did a couple of years. And I actually retired from there in January of 2019 before the world retired in March of 2019. So jump on it
Mike Klinzing: [00:01:42] There you go. So how, tell me a little bit about how you get involved in the broadcasting side and the athletic administration piece.
How do those two things co-exist within your career?
Charlie Voelker: [00:01:56] Well, you know my first job out of college was [00:02:00] working for Time Warner Cable, and I did a lot of it here in the capital region. I did a lot of high school sports. I did a sports talk show with them. I did some sports news and some regular news with them.
So broadcasting was really my in, I eventually I transitioned to doing some marketing and doing some sales. Then I went into minor league baseball where I could put all of those things together. So I was calling games. I was doing some stuff. And then I got more into the administrative side of minor league baseball and worked my way up to being the general manager.
And then I went over to you Albany in the administrative side. So it was all like, while I was being a general manager of a minor league baseball team in the off season, I would do UAlbany broadcasts. And finally I put the whole mess together and I made a mess of a career of it. And but it’s, it’s really worked out well.
And I think that both of them being involved in the broadcast has often given me [00:03:00] a more in-depth view, especially of the of the big revenue sports for UAlbany, because I’ve done football, basketball, men’s lacrosse. I also do. So those are the big revenues, real sports over at UAlbany.
And I think it’s given me a great perspective to be a good administrator, as well as doing the broadcast.
Mike Klinzing: [00:03:23] What do you think are the strengths of the athletic department at U Albany and just the school itself? What makes it an attractive place for athletes and a place for a coach to come, to be able to build a quality program?
What are the strengths that you see of the athletic department?
Charlie Voelker: [00:03:42] Well, I’ll tell you, in my years there I collected 114 championship rings and that’s for a reason because it’s a quality educational institution and it mid-majors it’s a lot, like I would [00:04:00] say the American East tries to be a lot like the Ivies where they try to get academic schools that are going to be in academic schools that are going to.
I would say, make sure that that’s the, the, the push of the conference and you have the location of Albany where you’re two and a half hours from New York city. You’re two and a half hours from Boston. You’re two hours from Syracuse. It’s a great sports market and it’s New York. So it’s an easy place for coaches to recruit people because they’re like, Hey, you’re going to get a good education.
You can, you’re going to play games in major markets. You can play games in New York and play games in Boston. You’re going to play games in and Baltimore. So you’re going to be in major markets, your family, easy for your family to come and fly in and see you. So lots of big advantages to being a coach at UAlbany.
[00:05:00] Mike Klinzing: [00:05:01] I think that major market piece is one that’s really interesting. And it’s one that to a certain population of kid that can be really, really important. When you start talking about the places that you get to go and visit. I think about my experiences as a student athlete and I played in the mid American conference.
And not that I was traveling to big cities within the conference, but every year we would get a chance to go to one or two tournaments. And we went to places that. I’m not sure that necessarily I would have gone to, or there’s some places that I’d like to go back to that I haven’t, but I was went to Boise, Idaho.
I went to New York city. I went to these places that as a normal 19 or 20 year old college student, I’d never would have had the opportunity to be able to do that. And so when you can have that as a selling point at your university, that not only are you going to have a great place to play your home games, but now you have access to these other cities and this ability to travel to me, I think that’s hugely.
Hugely attractive. And so I, when I [00:06:00] looked at, and when Dwayne and I first got connected back when he was at Marquette before he took the job at U Albany and then when he eventually did, and then he, and I started thinking about putting together this series and what I remember him saying over and over again was just how perfect he felt like the fit was for himself as a first time division, one coach, to be able to come in and the support that he felt from Mark Benson and the athletic department and the president, and just the university community as a whole.
And it just feels like he’s going to be able to come in and do some really, really exciting things with the basketball program. So as you look at that, and you think about Dwayne coming in and being able to build a program, what are some of the things that you think as you look at it from the outside, what are some things that you think.
The men’s basketball coach can do to really start to get this program to the level that I know Dwayne wants to get it to. And I know that you, as a community member and a former, a member of the athletic administration would love to see it get [00:07:00] to.
Charlie Voelker: [00:07:00] Yeah. I think, you know the cool thing about the situation is it’s not like he’s going to a place that’s never won.
You know, it’s been a couple years since we’ve had an America East championship, but there is that foundation of, Hey, we’ve, we’ve been to the NCA tournament five times in the last 20 years or 18 years. And now it’s an opportunity to take it to the next level of, Hey, we want to get to the NCA tournament and we want to win a game and we, maybe we want to win two games and eventually be that next level team.
Like I look at Gonzaga and I see. If Gonzaga can do that, UAlbany can do that. And I know that because I know what the resources are and I know what the allocations are, and I know all the different combinations and I, and there are different challenges from different places, but Dwayne can do that. [00:08:00] If he wants it like it, it’s going to take time, you’ve got to raise the money, you’ve got to do all the right things, but he’s got all the tools to do all those kinds of things.
And I think with that new freshness and excitement that will excite the fan base I think our fan base got bored at some points. You know, we went to three straight NCA tournament. So the next year our attendance went down. It was like, oh, we’ll wait for them to go to the American. No, but like the Yankees deal with that kind of stuff, you know what I mean?
And it’s like big league teams deal with those major sports teams deal with the apathy from fans and you go into college athletics and you know what a quarter of our houses is dedicated to students. There’s no one more apathetic about fan being a fan right now, then students, right.
Duke has trouble getting the Duke fans to the [00:09:00] students to go. So. I think there’s been a lot of changes in that way, but I think Dwayne’s really fresh. And I like his, I like his mentality slogan. I like the way he practices. I just like the freshness of the whole thing. I think everything, like when I left U Albany, I didn’t leave because I was done and I’m like retiring and I’m over with, I needed to refresh, I was done.
The program needs a refresh. The program needs somebody like Dwayne to, to, to refresh everything and refresh that fan base. And Nan, I’ll tell ya. I know they’re trying mark, Benson’s trying to put some new seating in there and some more amenities in the SIF Q arena. I think there’s potential in the next two, three years, that Dwayne have blown that program up. And if not this year coming right now.
Mike Klinzing: [00:09:50] Let’s talk about in general. Mid-major college basketball. Cause you mentioned Gonzaga and obviously that’s the blueprint for anybody who is a coach or an [00:10:00] athletic administrator for, Hey look, Gonzaga 25 years ago was nothing and not, you know what I’m saying? They were, it wasn’t just throw them into the hat with a hundred other mid-major division one college programs across the country, and now you start building it and you start getting that reputation and it sort of feeds on itself.
And I think when I look at Gonzaga, I think one of the things that has been really, really key is the fact that mark few came to Gonzaga after Dan Matson had sort of built and got that thing started. And now mark has been there what, 18, 19 years, something like that. And obviously I’m sure he’s had opportunities to jump to a power five conference school, but he hasn’t he’s in essence, turned Gonzaga into a power five conference school.
Right. And to me, I think that’s the challenge with. A mid-major program, being able to grow and develop is you have to be able to maintain that continuity. Like for [00:11:00] example, I went to Kent state and when I played at Kent, we were, we were pretty good. We had a couple of good teams my first two years.
And then my last two years, we didn’t have as much success as I would’ve liked, but obviously like 10 years after I left Kent state makes it to the final eight, loses to Indiana and was one game away from the final four. And then after that, we had a series of coaches that came through that were there for a couple of years, but for whatever reason, those guys were able to continue to build it.
And the success has been sustainable. And I don’t know, I think we’ve only had one season where we haven’t won 20 games in like the last 15 or 20 years. So it’s been kind of an incredible run. And I think that when you talk about mid-major college basketball, it takes, as you mentioned everybody within the athletic department working on the same page and it takes a dynamic coach to sell the program, as you said, to get people excited and to refresh it and.
I know Dwayne now from having lots of conversations with them and I think he’s going to be the guy that’s going to be able to bring that excitement. Talk about [00:12:00] some of the things that you’ve seen so far, just in terms of his community outreach that lead you to believe that he’s going to be able to generate that excitement and that freshness that you’re talking about.
Charlie Voelker: [00:12:10] Well, he’s totally willing to put boots on the ground and talk to everybody. And but I’ll start with, I went, he said to me, he’s like, Hey man, you want to come to one of my practices? And I’m like, sure. And I just saw the way he was and the way he related to the guys he inherited. And I think that that’s important the way you treat everybody and the way you embrace your group.
And I, and not that I’ve. Expected anything different from him. But I have seen coaches come into new situations and maybe not treat everybody the same way if they didn’t bring them there. And I think he went out of his way to ingratiate everybody [00:13:00] and to say, Hey, I I’m just here to, to help further the mission.
And I think that that’s important. And I think that that’s important for success in knowing what the role of a coach. I mean, it’s like, honestly, to me, it’s like the NFL quarterback that coach comes in there and he quarterbacks the program and the future of the program. And right now Dwayne’s going out into the community and doing great stuff.
He’s, he’s talking to people on a very honest level saying, Hey, I, I don’t know anybody. I want to make something really cool here. Jump on board. It’ll be fun. I’m bringing in some players. He, his coaching staff is so cool. Those guys really have an amazing perspective on things and they’re out there.
So I think the nucleus of what he’s, he’s putting out there in his first, what is a year? A couple of months already. I mean, [00:14:00] that’s it he’s, he’s made such a presence in such a short amount of time that I do think he can have a dynamic impact, not only in two years down the line, but I think this year going into the season, I think he’s creating some excitement for the great Danes program.
And I think people are pumped about that.
Mike Klinzing: [00:14:18] What’s up Dwayne,
Dwayne Killings: [00:14:18] what’s going on, man. It it’s, it’s great to be a guest, I guess, on, on the show today. I apologize this job. It, I love it, but the pivots and how fast it’s incredible. It is absolutely incredible. So I apologize, but I’m listening to Charlie do his thing and it’s probably better that it’s his show today than anything else Cause he’s the best one.
Charlie Voelker: [00:14:40] I said all these nice things about you. Now that you’re on. I can’t be all nice and fluffy.
Mike Klinzing: [00:14:46] Now he’s going to have to get real man and tell you what you got to tell you what you really have to do. Now. He’s going to start throwing out the critiques.
Charlie Voelker: [00:14:53] Yeah, that’s completely. What’s going to happen.
Mike Klinzing: [00:14:57] Oh, so we were just talking Dwayne a little bit [00:15:00] about what, how you can take a, a mid-major college basketball ball program. And not that we’re setting the bar that high, but we talked a little bit about Gonzaga and how that’s kind of the gold standard of twenty-five years ago.
Gonzaga was just right down with everybody else. They weren’t really any different. And then you had Dan Monson kind of get things started. And mark view goes, there, turns things around, stays there for a long time. Obviously probably had opportunities to go somewhere else. And we were kind of discussing what were some of the things that made them successful.
And Charlie was telling us about some of the things that you’ve already started to do that he sees you doing in terms of community outreach and generating excitement around the program. So maybe just talk a little bit about, again, reiterate some of the things that you felt have been really important, not necessarily amongst just with your players or with your staff, but just getting out into the UAlbany community and reaching out to faculty, [00:16:00] staff, people who live in the community, that kind of thing, fans, to be able to generate excitement around the program.
Dwayne Killings: [00:16:07] Yeah, I appreciate the question. And I don’t know if I’m ready to be talked about in the, in the same echo of of Gonzaga and no, I don’t think we’re making that leap, but just what we’re trying to try to throw out.
Mike Klinzing: [00:16:16] Like I got it. I got it. It’s a very, it’s a very vague analogy. Right?
Dwayne Killings: [00:16:24] I appreciate it. And what I would say to you about the people at Gonzaga I don’t know Coach Few, but he loves the place that he’s at. And I share that same mindset. Like I love the opportunity that I have here at Albany one because they gave it to me. But two, I believe in the place, I think it’s such a unique place.
I think it’s a great place to live. I think it’s a great region. I think. When you look at the dynamics of our staff, and then you look at my own personal background, it all connects right. Recruiting the type of kids you need to recruit to be here to be, to be successful. And then when you think about trying to go through the Northeast [00:17:00] Northeast quarter, where it goes from new England to the capital region, to New York, to New Jersey, to Philly, to DC, Maryland that’s probably going to be our wheelhouse or that’s been the wheelhouse of our staff.
And when we got here on the ground, my first thing was building relationships. That’s, what’s gotten me to this point in my life. I was just telling somebody yesterday Senator Breslin came by and we met for a little bit and he asked just kind of what drove to me to kind of introduce myself to the community the way we did.
And I said, well my dad worked at UMass Amherst. 40 years. And I fought when I was young, like him caring about people and going to lunch and shaking hands and taking pride in this place. I thought that was like what everybody did, but that’s not normal. You know, some people just kind of put their head down and go to work.
You know, he loved working there. He loved the university because it gave a great life for my mom, my dad, me and my sister. And I feel the same way for me, my wife and my kids. So that was intentional because I want people to get to know me. But [00:18:00] also when our staff got here, it was really important for me that like people understood who we were as people, not just as coaches.
Like, I don’t want to be remembered as Coach Killings. Like I’m still a person and I, and I have my own identity. And so does our staff. And I think people have gravitated to that. Now they pay more attention to who we are as coaches. And if we’re going to get this right, we got to care about people. We got to care about the issues and the city.
I say issues. I look at them as opportunities how can we help? How can we help people. You know, just do things at a higher level or how can we help people think a little bit differently. Then when we ask them to support us, it’s natural because we have relationships with them and we’re authentic about it.
And we’re real. Like it’s not this, isn’t like a fly by night deal where if we go and support somebody or going to a school, we walk out and we leave and we don’t come back. We want to make this a real relationship where we can help people grow. You know, Dan, our operations director the other day, he said something really good.
He said with our [00:19:00] literacy program that we’re going to create, we want to create like a lasting legacy where you know, that experience. And as we grow with those kids, it helps them grow. Cause we keep coming back. We don’t just leave them and they wonder, I wonder how those guys are doing they’re like, I’m excited.
Cause they’re coming back in a couple of weeks and, and those are some of the things we were doing. So we’ve been running around shaking hands, giving out t-shirts, but really it’s about just making people stop and listen and get to know who we are.
Mike Klinzing: [00:19:24] All right. So speaking of how do you get to know each other and how do we get to know how do you get to know the community?
How do they get to know you, Charlie, when you think about you yourself as the color analyst for men’s basketball, how do you get to know Dwayne right now in the off season? And then as you go into the season, you start actually preparing to cover the team. How do you build the kind of relationships and get that quote, insider knowledge.
That’s going to help you to do a better job in your role as the color analyst on on TV and radio,
Charlie Voelker: [00:19:58] It’s funny you [00:20:00] say that Mike, because my, as much as I want to do a great job as the color analyst, and that’s like a big thing for me I’m a people person and now I’m a really big supporter of U Albany.
Because I went there and I spent so much time there. So. Dwayne success to me is the most important thing. And I looked at it and when I met Wayne and Mark Benson said to me, he’s like, Hey, you’re really going to like him. And you know, if, if I didn’t really like him, honestly, yeah. It wouldn’t be on with you right now.
I’d be like, Hey, how I’ll prepare for it. I’ll go to a couple of practices. I’ll ask them a couple of questions and I’ll do my job. But I’ve Dwayne sold me and, and it’s a, didn’t really sell me. He’s just a good person. And I like good people and he’s got a good plan to do good things for kids. And.
Honestly, if that’s your thing, I’m totally behind him. And I think he’s going to do a really cool thing for [00:21:00] the great Danes. And I think he’s going to do a really cool thing for the students that go to school, they’re helping their experience. And I think that the kids that are going to play basketball are going to really get something out of this that they may not get from other coaches.
And like Dwayne gave me a really cool book and it’s called the Legacy Builder and I’m about three quarters of the way through it. And I pick it up. It’s, it’s a very easy read, but it’s a cool read. And it’s a cool life read that made me reflect on so many parts of my 57 year old life. And I love that stuff.
So like this dude comes out a practice, tosses, a book at me, and really a book that makes me think in a book, a book that makes me look at life. And then I think about, wow, that kid’s going to be around my kid. Every single day I’d send my kid to play for him in a second. And that’s what you look for in a coach.
That’s what a division one winning coach should be. Hey, am I going to be able to send my kid to play for this guy? And is he going to get something more than just, you [00:22:00] know, a good basketball career? What kind of person is he going to be when he leaves the university? And I have the utmost confidence in the people that are going to leave the university after playing for Dwayne. And so all my chips.
Mike Klinzing: [00:22:14] All right. What’s the takeaway from the book? I’m curious.
Charlie Voelker: [00:22:18] It’s the legacy builder. It’s, it’s a pretty cool book about this guy, Lance, and just looking back at his life and then going and having meetings with a coach and the coach sort of. Pointing out some very important things in life to him and his wife and his family and the importance of, of balance in his life.
And he has a son that’s Andy, Catherine. He goes into a big surgery and, and, and this guy’s life sort of was really cool. And he was a student athlete and everything was going great. And then he made all this money with this company. He started with his friends, his friends sold out and he runs the company now, [00:23:00] and life took over.
Like the company took over his life. The bottom line took over his life and the guy was miserable. And I think we all live this really cool life where I look at my age and with Dwayne looks at it as his age. And when we can pass that on to kids in some experiences. Maybe we, they miss a bump in the road and their life is a little better because we shared that stuff.
So when I see Dwayne reading this stuff and passing this stuff on to other people I’ve been around education long enough, I know what the results of that are going to be. I know that’s going to have positive results upon the people that are there and just quickly, I’m going to compare them to another guy at U Albany.
And we were talking about mid-majors and being successful. Scott Mars, totally into this, our men’s lacrosse coach. And he took the team to the final four. Why? [00:24:00] Because this kids believe in him and they learn more than just. What goes on in lacrosse, they learn a lot about life and they learn a lot about backing each other up and being part of a team.
And that’s why they went to the final four. They have a great group of players. Dwayne’s going to bring in great group of players, but he may create something that’s completely different. That takes teams to a different level. And you don’t have to go to a big place to do that. You can do it right at U Albany.
And I have all the faith in the world Dwaynes can do that. No pressure to win.
Mike Klinzing: [00:24:30] I do think, I do think that being able to have a greater impact than just within the confines of your sport is something that, especially in today’s world and not just basketball, but I think any sport. Yes. It’s such a, I don’t think it was necessarily always like that 30 years ago.
And today I think the best coaches are the ones who are not only impacting. Winning on the court or on the field, but they’re also people who are impacting, winning [00:25:00] out in the community and impacting winning long-term 10, 20 years down the road. Dwayne, why that book is that a book that you share with everybody that you feel Hey, could benefit from this book?
Is that one that was specific to Charlie, but why that, why that book?
Dwayne Killings: [00:25:13]Yeah. So my assistant, Matt Griffin who I think the world of actually sent it to me you know, we over the last seven or eight years, you know I’m in the car, driving home from recruiting. I called Matt and we just talk about his journey as a head coach in high school, mine as an assistant coach in college and we would share quotes and stories and books, and he sent that one to me.
And sometimes people send you books, you just, they don’t fit or they don’t catch you. And I just. It’s loud through it. And I was taking notes and I, and I enjoyed the story. I enjoyed the, the leading the book lands. I enjoyed his story. And one of the things I thought about was if I ever got a chance to become a head coach, like you, you immerse yourself in this job.
Well, what happens? You, you forget about your family. And I try to be really [00:26:00] cognizant of that. So the book spoke to me in a lot of different ways, but I immediately, I mean, I went on Amazon and I think I found a bunch of users, like what? I sent them to a bunch of guys. I got sent them to my, my, one of my really good friends, Jimmy Biggerstaff is the head go to the calves.
I sent it to him. He called me right away. After you read it, I was like, oh man, I love the book. It’s easy read. But there’s some things that speak to when you’re in these leadership roles that sometimes you forget that I think you need to rediscover. And I gave it to my wife and I think. The, the coach that Lance goes to his wife kind of pops in and out of the story, but you can tell that like she grounds the coach and she grounded Lance in some ways, and my wife read it and she really liked it.
And she was taking notes and trying to like, figure out how to be a better mom. It was kind of cool. And so I’ve just, I got some of them and I did certain people. I’m like I think you’ll appreciate the book and appreciate the story. And I think from a leadership perspective, from a life perspective, it just makes you think a little bit, it makes you take [00:27:00] pause, which I don’t think people do enough of you know, you just kind of get in your routine going over and over, but how can you get better?
How can you think a little bit different? That’s what I want to do for our staff, the tournament to do for our players. That’s what we want to do for the people in this community. And also on this campus, just take pause and say like, Hey, what if we did this instead of that? And how does it impact our players, our students and our community.
And I think. This book in small ways, it just speaks to you in a lot of different capacities. And when I first met Charlie, I loved his energy. I could see his passion for people for the, for this place this university. And I just thought he’d really like it. So I literally opened up a box.
I put one in my pocket. I said, I’m gonna throw it at him. And I normally throw him off. He’s not going to assume the new guy in town, but I give them a book through a little longer to read the book than I thought it would. But it’s, it’s a good piece like I’ll send you one. I think it’s, it’s an easy read.
You can read it in a weekend, easy what you’re going to walk away better [00:28:00] for it. And why I never asked Matt I gave me the book, but I probably sent it to our entire staff before I got this job just because I liked the book. I liked the read. I thought it’s. So I gave it to, and actually who at the time was with me at Marquette and he gave it to his fiance because it’s just, there’s something about it.
That probably addresses something that’s going on in that moment in your life. And, and I gave this quote to our staff. It was a John Chaney quote, but it speaks to like winning the moment and winning the minute that you’re in, because that’s the most important moment in your life because that’s where you are.
And, and I think that’s really important that we’re always cognizant of as a staff in terms of the leadership, but also we have to teach our players. You gotta live in the moment because what we’re going to create is really special, but we don’t have everything at Albany, but that’s okay. We have enough.
And I think if our kids understand that and value of a place and the opportunity and what we’re trying to pour into them, we’re going to be really good. And we’ll do some of the things that Charlie spoke of. And I would love to wake up living a dream that we’re living like Gonzaga, but that that’s a high bar, but [00:29:00] you know, if we get better, every single day are going to be the best program we can be.
And I can go to sleep happy at night.
Mike Klinzing: [00:29:06] When I think about what you just said, the word that comes to my mind is intentional. I often think about this when I go to. A conference and whether that could be something related around basketball, maybe it’s a clinic or maybe it’s just something involved with education from our day jobs, a teacher and you’ll sit and you’ll listen to a speaker or you’ll get some material that’ll be passed out to you, or you’ll read a book or somebody will recommend something.
And a lot of times the information that you read isn’t necessarily information that’s new to you. It’s not necessarily groundbreaking, but. If it’s presented in an entertaining way, it gets you to think about things in a more intentional way. And it brings things that are important that should be important that should be prioritized.
And yet, sometimes like you just said, the job sometimes just kind of overwhelms you and you get, we get so caught up in our day to day. Like I got to get [00:30:00] this task done, I gotta do this. I gotta be at this meeting. I gotta make sure I have this done that sometimes it’s easy to overlook that bigger picture of why we’re there, whether that’s our family, whether that’s having an impact on our players or our employees or our coworkers or whatever it may be.
And I think just bringing that to the forefront, if the book does that, to me, those are the kinds of books that I find to be the most valuable as ones that remind me of. Hey, you should really focus on these particular things. And then that makes, that makes the kind of impact that you’re looking to have.
And it leaves that legacy, like the title of the book is Charlie described your first opportunity to Dwayne.
Dwayne Killings: [00:30:41] Yeah. The one thing I just asked you to call Matt into the office and put them on the spot. Matt, why did you give me the legacy building the book by Ryan Olson? Why? Yeah. It helped me, the head coach changed my life many different ways.
[00:31:00] So it’s that simple. So I just was curious when I started talking, I called them in here because I had no idea why he sent it to me and maybe there was something deeper, but it was that simple.
Mike Klinzing: [00:31:10] There’s something, there’s something to be said for some there’s something to be said for simplicity, right.
Charlie Voelker: [00:31:15] There really is something to be said for simplicity.
Dwayne Killings: [00:31:17] Go ahead Mike my fault. All right.
Mike Klinzing: [00:31:18] Oh no, you’re good. All right, Charlie. Tell me about the first time you met Dwayne in person, what was the, the introduction? Just the circumstances. And just describe that first meeting.
Charlie Voelker: [00:31:29] Well I was doing a live remote for the afternoon show on 104.5 FM here in the capital region.
And Dwayne was, I was supposed to go to his press conference, but it got, it got pushed back because he had to have his hair done. So they, so I could make the press conference. So they brought Dwayne up to meet me up at the live remote. We were doing that at a restaurant up in Clifton park.
And so it was just cool. I mean, I could just see from the time we shook [00:32:00] hands and the smile and the look in his face he was serious about doing something very cool for the great Danes and that means a lot to me. You know, there’s a lot of people that go around in this world that are Hey, I took the job so I can make a little bit more money and, and do something.
But there are also those people that really care about it. And at the mid-major level. And I’ll tell you you had said, I don’t think it’s so much 30 years ago about those coaches being there. I think that those coaches have always been there, but I think just more now that what these coaches are doing for people in other parts of their lives are finally coming to the forefront because I think coaches have been there for, since I was a kid in helping me see what my deficiencies were.
In a way, and maybe talking to me in a way that I really needed more than I realized at that time. And those messages always come across. So, but right now, hopefully the people, those messages and those coaches are [00:33:00] starting to be recognized more than just for the X’s and O’s and wins and losses. But the impacts that they’re having on student athletes lives as we send them out into the community, I used to laugh.
It’s like, okay, we’re sending out 500 student athletes every year into the community, but we only care about the ones that are going to, you know get drafted in the major league draft or they’re going to go in the NBA or play in the NFL. We’ve got a lot of people going out there in the community doing a lot of great things.
And those, the student athletes, that’s the majority of the student athletes that I became that I cared about over the, over the many, many years. And I think Dwayne’s going to do a great job for them.
Mike Klinzing: [00:33:39] Dwayne. What do you foresee as your role in terms of interacting with guys like Charlie, who are part of the media?
How do you go about approaching your relationship with the media? Obviously it’s different from when you were an assistant coach where you probably have relatively little [00:34:00] contact with the media to now being the head coach or the point guy. You’re the one that everybody wants to talk to. So just how do you approach handling and dealing with the media that you’re going to have to face?
And you’re going to have to build relationships with over the course of your career there.
Dwayne Killings: [00:34:15] Yeah. I I was really fortunate to be at temple, which has a pretty unique relationship with college basketball because of the sixth division one programs. And then. You know, Yukon w it was the only show in town.
So there was a lot of media just around and you still got a lot of interaction as an assistant and then Marquette, I mean, it’s got a cult following. So I think I was prepared for that. I think again, kind of reflecting back to the, the Yukon experience. Like we’re really the only show in town with Sienna.
So there’s a desire to kind of know what’s going, going on behind the curtain now I want to be really authentic and transparent, but I think I want to know where everybody’s coming from. What are your goals like? [00:35:00] You know, I’ve sat down with the later today. I have lunch with Roger wildland.
Who’s in town here. And I sat with Leanna for one of the news stations here. Cause my questions are what is it that you’re trying to get accomplished in terms of covering our program and how can I help? Because if we work together, we can tell really unique stories and it’s gotta be deeper than just who made the last basket.
I love to tell the story about who these kids are, but then I need your help. To prepare our student athletes to take advantage of those moments. Because what I don’t want is when you put in front of a microphone in front of one of our players face, they’re not prepared to answer their questions and represent themselves and their families and our school the right way.
So I asked for some help in that perspective, but I want to give people access. The only thing I ask in return is that we’re taken care of the right way. Like I get you, you got to talk about the wins and also talk about the losses, but let’s, let’s be transparent about what we’re trying to get accomplished and let’s take care of each other and value the relationships that we’re building because in the end of the day, [00:36:00] you know, I think if.
Certain thing you say one thing and it turns into something else that’s not fair because again, I I’ll give you as much access as you want. You know, in my mind I’m here in this office and in that gym probably more than I’m home in my own house. So I’m bringing into my personal living room a lot of times, and I want you to act like you’re inside my home and treat our players.
Like they’re my sons, because they are. And we need to make sure that we’re taking care of each other on both sides of the, of the deal. And if we do that, I think we can have a great working relationship.
Mike Klinzing: [00:36:32] Charlie, how do you approach your interactions with student athletes? Because obviously there are times with coaches where you have to ask questions that a coach may not necessarily enjoy answering about strategy or about the results of a game or whatever.
And then you think about. Those coaches are adults. That’s their job. They’re being paid to do it. And then you have student athletes who may be 18, 19, 20 years old who [00:37:00] have to answer questions. And as Dwayne said, maybe sometimes they get a mic thrown in front of them, and they’re not necessarily prepared for the type of question that they have.
So when you think about that from a media perspective, how do you approach dealing with, or interviewing, talking to a college athlete and maybe compare that to how you would approach a professional athlete? Who again, is a little older, a little bit more mature. Who’s being paid to do a, do a job versus a student athlete.
Who’s still a college, two kids learn, that’s learning a kid it’s growing and it’s still kind of stepping into who they’re going to be as an adult.
Charlie Voelker: [00:37:34] I’ll be honest, Mike, I take offense to media guys that try to put student athletes on the spot about especially execution of plays during pressure situations or whatever it happens to be.
To me. They’re they’re kids still pro athletes. I get it. You’re being paid to do this. And I’m totally I, I, any question to me on a paid athlete [00:38:00] is his game, but with student athletes, you know to ask them, Hey emotional things or things like that, that’s fine to have put them on the spot about how did you feel about this player?
You guys didn’t execute this player. How’d you feel about losing the game? I never going to hear that from me. It’s just no question. Is that important to me?
Mike Klinzing: [00:38:23] Dwayne, how do you help prepare your kids to deal with the media? Do you guys have specific sessions? Thoughts is, it’s just something that you’re kind of talking about over the course of your time while you’re w you know, after practice and individual conversations, are you, or are you formally doing something with your team in terms of sharing how you feel like they should interact with the media?
What’s your approach there?
Dwayne Killings: [00:38:48] Yeah. This summer our guys get here in early July, and then we’re putting them through what we’re calling a leadership Institute. So there’s a bunch of different pieces to, to the experience forum everything from a speaker [00:39:00] series to, you know professional dress to a financial literacy piece, but we’re also gonna do a media training piece.
And I may reach out to some of the guys in the region, because I think, I think that’s a really clear way to kind of like, Let’s learn together. Right? Cause I think our players can teach also there’s a lot of experience media types in the city, but if you talk to our kids, like the way they’re interacting, there may be some things that our guys don’t like that they may think is a home run.
Well, let’s learn from each other. Right. But at the same time, I want to put our guys through answering some hard questions. You know, learning how to take pause to collect your thoughts. Like you gotta control that two, three, four, five, 10 minutes of an interview. So like, how do you take control of it?
Also preparing our players for doing things on zoom, but also preparing them for doing things in person, because we may transition back and they, there may be some, you [00:40:00] guys lost the skill or don’t have the skill, the human interaction piece. So we’ll do all those things this summer. And my hope is, is that now when they come back for the fall and they’re reintroduced to media opportunities they’re just more prepared and more confident to showcase who they are and what they’re about.
And sometimes answering the question properly, but you can also give the, the person asking the question a little bit more depth about who you are, who our program is, or some things that you may feel confident about because also, I mean, there’s an opportunity in our program that maybe we want to address something that’s going on in the community or in society.
If we do those kinds of things, we need to make sure we’re prepared to articulate, you know what we’re trying to say the right way. Cause I I’ll never not support our kids. They feel like that’s something they want to do.
Mike Klinzing: [00:40:50] Charlie, when you think about that and you have an opportunity, obviously you’ve had some situations in our country politically and with the social justice piece of it, where I’m sure [00:41:00] you’ve talked to either in your role here at UAlbany or your role with one oh 4.5.
Yes. The ESPN radio, where you’ve had an opportunity to talk to athletes who have strong opinions about things that are maybe outside the parameters of the game itself. So how do you approach that as a broadcaster, as a media member, when you’re diving into those subjects with an athlete and it could be again, A student athlete, it could be a professional athlete, but just when you think about things outside of the game, what’s your approach when you’re interviewing somebody in those, in those areas?
Charlie Voelker: [00:41:33] I think it’s really what your goal of it is. I mean, obviously we had some tense times this year, and so you have to be able to, if an athlete wants to express themselves about that, and some college athletes did want to express themselves about that, I think is part of the media. You, you have to be able to, you have to allow that for them.
And I think as the institution, as an educational [00:42:00] institution expression has been what educational institutions have been built on for our country’s history. So I think it’s important. I also think it’s a balance. I think any time, the ones, the things that always concern me are there are media guys out there that date college athletes to get quotes.
And if that’s what your intention is, that’s that’s wrong. But if you’re allowing a college athlete who says, Hey this certain circumstance happened, it really feel strongly about this. We did this because this is what our feeling we met as a team. This is what our feeling was. And we’ve had these situations before and you know, it’s, you don’t want you, the one thing you don’t want to do is over handle them because then they’re, they’re not authentic.
And the student athletes feel like they’re, they’ve been pushed in a direction. The other thing [00:43:00] is, Hey, if you’re going to have a strong expression, make sure that that’s on your own thing. And maybe that’s not something that we want. Pushed as, as the university. So it’s a really, really tough balance between what my old role would be, where if a student athlete wants to express themselves, I’m totally cool with that.
Don’t express yourself with like on onlines you know in a press conference, do it in different ways and, and go to the right thing. So there’s all different. It’s a, it’s a very, very delicate balance between the two, but you really, honestly, you’ve got to the one thing I think ultimately they should be able to express their views.
Mike Klinzing: [00:43:45] How do you, Charlie, when you’re thinking about preparing for a game, so you’re going into a game next season. Talk a little bit about what your prep looks like to get yourself ready as the color analyst for a men’s basketball game. How much prep [00:44:00] time are you putting in learning, learning players’ names, maybe from the opposing team interviewing with and going in and preparing, talking with the head coach, just talk a little bit about your prep for a, for a particular game.
Charlie Voelker: [00:44:14] So usually that starts like when the team starts practicing so it would be, I’d start to go to a practice. I’d get the rosters. I’d start to look through who guys are, start to try to put some faces with names. You know, when I was working there, it was very easy for me. I’d be to a million practices.
But this year, I’ll go into Dwayne’s practices in the fall. And maybe I’ll even peak in, in the summer and watch them then play.
Dwayne Killings: [00:44:41] Oh, whoa. No,
Charlie Voelker: [00:44:46] no,
Dwayne Killings: [00:44:47] I’m just kidding. You always work
Charlie Voelker: [00:44:50] well, so, but I would report on it twice, so, but I I’m gonna I’m gonna learn the team. Yeah. He’s going to have a whole bunch of new guys on their [00:45:00] watch, what their style is.
And then when I’m researching another team often, I’d like to watch them. So the cool thing now with ESPN three, I can pretty much watch any of the teams that we’re going to play any of the time. So I’ll get to watch them a little bit here, how you’re supposed to pronounce people’s names, those kinds of things.
Look for some styles, look for their key players, and then I’ll have a discussion about maybe what I saw. And look at with one of the assistant coaches, maybe do a a little scout thing on that. And then usually either Roger or myself will do a pregame interview.
Mike Klinzing: [00:45:33] All right. I love the pronunciation thing.
Cause that’s something that with the podcast. Oh man. I always laugh trying to figure out like, okay, I want to make sure I say this person’s name. Right. So I’m on YouTube trying to look them up and see, okay, how’s this then the worst is when you hear I, I did this with Dwayne’s wife and I heard a PR I heard her name pronounced like four different ways, but as I’m, as I’m looking at videos, so I come on, I just have to ask.
So what’s your, do you have, what’s your strategy for [00:46:00] figuring out how to pronounce players’ names? Cause obviously there’s a ton of names that I’m sure could be butchered in lots of different ways. Usually
Charlie Voelker: [00:46:07] I’ll call their sports information director if he’s not traveling with the team and go through and I write everything out, phonetically on like.
I’m a fanatic note person of, I’ve got to have notes on everything. He said, everything’s written out phonetically for me for the pronunciations, but usually if they’ve played before, I’ll watch the opponent and I’ll hear how the announcers do it. And then I’ll sort of like circle back with the Sid, like, Hey, these three names, but like when you do in lacrosse, there’s like 50 like some of the gallows he didn’t play last week.
And the guy’s like all over the field this weekend and their names. Ridiculous. So women’s basketball and that’s fine gloss or women’s basketball. They’re all from where all over the world. So it’s, it’s difficult to get their pronunciations.
[00:47:00] Mike Klinzing: [00:47:00] I can only, I can only imagine Dwayne, when you start thinking about what you hope the relationship looks like between yourself and Charlie, as the color analyst, as a broadcast team, what do you envision that relationship looking like?
How would you like that to work in an ideal world?
Dwayne Killings: [00:47:23] Great question. I think it’s important that he hears and sees and feels what we’re trying to get done as a program. Like what our goals are. So kind of seeing. You know, what’s in front of us, but also what’s way down the road. So where are we trying to go and how are we trying to get there and how are we trying to build and help tell that story all the time.
And then I think it’s really, and then he gets access to come and see how we’re preparing. So that way it helps him do his job better. Right. Which, which connects to the fans and the alumni, but also helps us as a program because if he can talk about the journey [00:48:00] that we’re going on and how we prepare it and how we executed it, it just makes everything connect even better.
I think also, I mean, everywhere I’ve worked the, the people that, and when I say tell the story it’s, it’s some of the media people, but what’s really the guys like Charlie, the, the guys that are really good, they’re really close to the programs cause they get access to them.
And you know, they start to fall in love with the players. And then as they understand who the players are, they can build identities for them, you know? And that’s where those unique. Names or unique ways that you call the game or unique ways that you, you know put an exclamation point on something that’s happened in the game.
You can do with some flare because you know who he is as a kid. And it helps you tell that a little bit different as that game’s going on. And there’s, there’s more entertainment, you know? And, and I think we all work so hard to build programs and graduate kids and do all this cool stuff, or we’re still a form of entertainment also for people.
So I think we have to be mindful of that as we go along.
Charlie Voelker: [00:49:00] I, man, I couldn’t agree more. And especially like I work for the university, you know what I mean? And to be able to tell the story is, is the key. And that’s like to be able to say, because if I can help a little bit at some kid, who’s thinking about comedy, UAlbany in the future, whether it’s as a basketball player is just to kid.
It helps everybody. And you know, if you know Dwayne story, it’s gonna make you more engaged and make you want to come to games. If you see the way he’s treating kids and what he’s doing about it and, and the kinds of kids he’s trying to bring in and the kind of style of play and how he is entertaining and how much fun it is.
I mean, that’s all, it is all part of the entertainment process.
Mike Klinzing: [00:49:43] And I think too, that when you start talking about having a, another voice that’s promoting the program, and it’s so important to be able to get that positive message out into the media. And obviously Charlie, like you said, you’re an employee of the university.
So [00:50:00] you’re going to be a positive mouthpiece for the program. But from your perspective, Dwayne, I would think that just being able to have more people to share the message you and your staff can only be in so many places and talking to so many people at any one time. And so to have media members who are.
Serving as again, a mouthpiece for the program who are sharing those stories, who they’ve been given access to be able to come in and get to know you and get to know your staff, get to know your players. And now they’re able to share that story that only helps I’m sure to build the image of the program in the community, which again, draws more people in gets more fans involved, gets more people who are alumni coming back and wanting to be involved in the program, wanting to make donations, wanting to see the program be successful.
I think the media plays a huge role in getting that message out in front of people. Do you guys both agree with that?
Dwayne Killings: [00:50:53] Totally do. And I think the creativity of what we’re trying to do KJ Baptists in our office and [00:51:00] Dan they do a great job of preparing us for presentations and recruiting.
I mean, we’re, we try to think of like if Charlie’s saying something great on the radio, we immediately think of, well, how can we make that small soundbite you know, make it part of our presentation because it only helps us because. I mean nobody loves talking about themselves, at least I don’t and, and sometimes having somebody else talk about you that also we can say like, Hey, this is somebody that’s talking to a bigger audience, and this is what they’re saying about us in our own community.
That only helps. So I totally agree with you,
Mike Klinzing: [00:51:35] Charlie. How about you?
Charlie Voelker: [00:51:37] I, I I think that that’s a key, right? You want as many people out there trumpeting what you’re doing and that’s like all part of it, we’re all promoters of what, of what we’re doing. And that’s why the program’s there.
And I think the more good things that you can get out there and the more good things that you can have, more people singing that message. And I think that that’s why it’s so [00:52:00] important that that TK has been out in the community and talking to people already, because I’m not just hearing about our basketball program from him.
I’m starting to hear about it from other people are like, Hey, I met your basketball coach. Cool guy. Well, that’s good stuff. And, and, and he hasn’t even played a game yet.
Mike Klinzing: [00:52:19] Yeah. That makes sense. Huge difference. When, as you said, Dwayne, it’s easy to be the self promoter, but eventually I think people get tired of that when you’re telling people about all the great things that you’re going to do and that you’re doing, and people are just like, all right, man, that’s enough.
And. When you have other people that are coming in and saying, no, no, this is for real, like this guy, this program, this situation is really going to be one that you’re going to want to be a part of when it comes from somebody outside of that immediate circle. I think there’s a lot of power in that. And that’s not to say that you don’t have to self promote because as you know you do, if you want to be able to have a successful program, I don’t [00:53:00] care if it’s high school, college, whatever a business.
I mean, you, if you’re not willing to promote yourself, there’s not going to be people that are going to step up and do it. But if you do a good job and you do it in a way that it’s not egotistical and you do it with humility, then other people are going to jump on board. If you’re genuine. And I think everybody that everybody that we’ve talked to, everybody that I think.
The perception right now is that that’s exactly what Dwayne that’s exactly what you’ve been able to do is you’ve been able to get out in the community. You’ve been able to sell yourself in such a way that people are starting to buy into and believe in the vision and the more people that you can have sharing that message.
It’s just like anything that word of mouth kind of builds on itself. It builds on itself. And then before you know, it, you have a lot of people talking about the program and not just the people are inside. And I think that’s when you really can make a turn for, Hey, there’s a buzz around what we’re going to do.
And you know, that first game provided you can get a semi full arena with the. With COVID, it looks like we’re [00:54:00] headed in the right direction. Hey, we put 15,000 to Madison square garden, right. For the next day or so. So that’s, that’s, that’s, that’s a good sign. That’s a good sign for everybody that we’re going to be able to have at least a semi normal semi-normal season in terms of attendance.
So you start talking about the buzz around the program and come come late October, November, that man you’d be able to put a, put a packed house in the home opener. How exciting is that going to be for both of you guys?
Dwayne Killings: [00:54:26] That’s the goal. That’s the cool and the crazy part of life like this, I don’t know, two plus months since I’ve been here, it’s gone by really, really fast you know, time moves by so quick.
But the thing that I will say though, about as we’re connecting to people and you’re talking about Sonia, so we saw them talk about basketball and then somebody asks us it’s about meeting people and getting to know again, who we are as people we’ll get to the basketball. And to be honest with you, Like we’ll work at the basketball, the basketball take care of itself.
Like we want people to know who we are as [00:55:00] individuals. And I think that creates its own story in itself. And I think that’s really important because the one thing I said at my press conference, I said it to our staff. I’m not, I don’t want to ask to ask anybody to come to a game until I can show them that I care about them.
And I care about what’s going on in the city and the community and the school. And then that’s, I feel like then it’s okay to sit there and say okay, I need you guys to come support our team in our program because I see it all the time in recruiting. The worst thing that happens in recruiting.
You just call guys when they have players, you gotta check in on guys when they don’t like they still running a program, they still living a life. You can’t just go to a well, when there’s a lot of water, you got to check on them and other times too. And I think that’s been really beneficial to me in my career.
Mike Klinzing: [00:55:44] Absolutely. Absolutely. I don’t think there’s any doubt that if you have a generator, if you have a genuine relationship with somebody. You’re not just going to them when they can do something for you. And I can’t even tell you the number of books and places that I’ve read that [00:56:00] particular sediment that look, if it’s genuine, you’re going to be, be there for that person, regardless of whether or not they can turn around and help you in some way.
And I think that’s really, that’s really what it’s all about. Charlie and Dwayne, I don’t know do either one of you have any other things that we need to touch on before we wrap up and I want to give Charlie a chance to talk a little bit about his new show too, before we go. So, anything else that you guys think we’ve missed that we haven’t covered before Charlie, we get to give you an opportunity to give your elevator pitch, to get people, to tune into the new show.
Dwayne Killings: [00:56:31] I just, just for me you know, I, as we laid out Mike, we, we talked about kind of laying out this plan of who would be on the show and all that. I just thought Charlie was great just because, I mean, I love his energy, his passion. He really, again, cares about this place at school. I think he really gets what we’re trying to do here.
You know, he’s been in our practice, so he’s seen it. He’s felt it and I think he understands who I am, who the [00:57:00] staff is. So I thought it was really important. And also, I, I just we haven’t been, I’ve only, he’s only invited me on the show like twice, so I guess I haven’t done it.
He’s really good at what he does. And, and I wanted to have a chance to obviously talk about our program, but also give a chance to talk about himself because you know, he’s good at what he does.
Charlie Voelker: [00:57:23] Well, I appreciate that my man. And I’ll tell you, I’m excited about where we’re going and where the UAlbany Great Dane men’s basketball program is going in your hands.
We’re going to have a lot of fun this year and build it up to be something completely great. And I, I will be on in the afternoons on 104.5 the team here in the capital region. You also the free 104.5 the team app on Google and apple play. You can download the app.
So It’ll be Charlie and Bahl in the afternoon. And we will definitely have Coach Killings on [00:58:00] regularly to tell us what’s going on and how we’re getting ready for the sweet 16. No pressure
Dwayne Killings: [00:58:07] that in there you do a good job with that.
Mike Klinzing: [00:58:09] Nice. All right. Well, we got you in the sweet 16 and then we’re comparing you to Gonzaga.
So you know exactly all good. We’re not trying to, we’re not trying to put any, we’re not trying to put any pressure on you in this first year at all the way
Dwayne Killings: [00:58:20] Mark Benson, mark bids and Vic Cegles. They’re smiling right now, as you guys are doing this.
Mike Klinzing: [00:58:28] When all that happens, the three of us will jump back on at the end of the season or the end of two seasons from now. And we will, we will celebrate, we will celebrate this conscience
Dwayne Killings: [00:58:39] live in the locker room. That one happens. You can mark. My word will be live. If we do get that done.
Mike Klinzing: [00:58:46] That is a plan. All right. Charlie, before we get out, Dwayne has already shared his social media and anybody who’s following along with our series already knows where we can find him, but share again, where people can find you social media wise, and [00:59:00] just how people who want to reach out to you can do that.
And then I’ll jump back in and wrap things up. Okay.
Charlie Voelker: [00:59:05] You can go @CharlieVoelker V O E L K E R on Twitter and @CharlieVoelker on Instagram as well. Facebook, everything. So we’ve got it all go to 104.5 The Team and you can go there and they’ve got my email. They’ve got everything.
You can contact me through them.
Mike Klinzing: [00:59:22] Awesome. Please give Charlie’s new show a listen and check it out. And Dwayne, thank you for jumping on. Charlie, thanks for being a part of it. We’re going to continue to look forward to building on this series and continuing to follow Dwayne and his progress. And I know I’m getting excited to spend two months that since he’s been there and just like you said, it went quick.
It’s going to go very, very fast. We traded some texts and emails about me getting up to a game there at Albany this year and cannot wait for, for that to be able to show up in person and watch a game. So we got a lot of exciting things to look forward to in this series and hopefully our audience is getting a lot of value out of it.
So fellas, thanks so [01:00:00] much for joining us tonight and I will catch everyone on our next episode. Thanks.